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A Hillsong History

21 Wednesday Nov 2012

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We found this article from Diakrisis to be a decent summary of the Hillsong movement. Some information about Geoff Bullock’s involvement with the movement has been corrected accordingly. It is important to retain the story of Pat Mesiti’s involvements and restoration process in this article. We will be looking at his involvement between the Hillsong and the C3 churches.

We hope you find the below information insightful.

The Hillsong Phenomena Revisited

Increasingly we are being asked ‘should we be encouraging people to attend Hillsong events or sing their songs in our churches?’ The answers lie in the foundations, theology and now the fruit of this ever-growing movement.

The Foundations
In 1986 husband and wife team, Mark and Darlene Zsech, along with a Pastor Pat Mesiti were leaders in a ‘band’ that outreached to high schools. (Mesiti founded Youth Alive and in later years was Executive Director of Teen Challenge NSW and National Director of the Australian Christian Churches). During those early years the Zsech’s were introduced to Brian and Bobbie Houston’s Christian Life Centre in the Hills district, Sydney (an offshoot of CLC Darlinghurst, Sydney). There a Geoff Bullock was the director of the music ministry. They combined writing and singing talents and ‘Hillsong’ was born. The music gained great acceptance with young people and then in an increasing number of churches throughout Australia. Today there are few churches that have not adopted some Hillsong Music.

In the early nineties Geoff Bullock [left Hillsong]. Darlene Zsech took over his position as ‘worship leader’ at the Hills CLC.

In an interview in May 2006, more than a decade after the event, Bullock claims ‘they stole my soul’. The interviewer, Jennifer Sexton, of the Australian, wrote:

‘Christmas Eve 1994 was the end for Bullock. He had rehearsed the choir and band to play the standard church repertoire for three Christmas services. Just hours before the first service, Houston discovered Bullock had not rehearsed traditional Christmas carols. ‘He just tore me to shreds and then left me to do three services’, Bullock claims. The partnership ended that night…Bullock claims that when he departed, a campaign of whispering about his morality and sexuality filtered throughout the church. When he broke up with Janine a few months later, his subsequent relationship with a married woman (whom he later married)
was, he says, twisted to become the reason he had been forced out. At the same time, Houston preached about dark forces intent on undermining the church. ‘They ran a huge campaign to discredit me’, fumes Bullock’. (1)

The problems for Hillsong continued – in 2002 Pastor Pat Mesiti was asked to leave the ministry during a highly publicised exposure of his adultery. Brian Houston, Hillsong’s senior pastor, at the time said, ‘This whole area of sex abuse and predatory behaviour is devastating…’ (2) But Mesiti is only one of many in such organisations as Hillsong and Youth Alive who have fallen. In an interview with the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper Brian Houston admitted to disciplining up to five of his pastors each year for sexual misconduct.

In less than three years Mesiti was back in ministry being advertised as a motivational speaker. Today he tells thousands that gaining money and fame is a Godly pursuit.

The formation of the Assemblies of God (AOG) Christian Life Centre movement, where Hillsong originated, was arguably formed in deceitful circumstances. Letters issued by AOG New Zealand (21/12/01, Wayne Hughes, General Superintendent) and AOG Australia (24/12/01, John Lewis Assistant President) disclose that Frank Houston, formerly head of CLC Sydney, was disciplined in 1999 for ‘serious sexual offences’ (NZ letter) that occurred 30 years ago. At least one offence was against a teenage boy. Frank denied the charges for more than 20 years before admitting his guilt. The New Zealand letter banned Frank Houston from AOG platforms in that country. While the matter of Houston’s fall was known in 1999 it had only been openly acknowledged by the AOG at the time when Pat Mesiti’s moral fall was publicised.

In 1977 Frank Houston moved permanently to Australia from New Zealand. . . The problems in New Zealand, the sexual offences and charges of paedophilia
were not made known to the ever increasing number of his congregants. In 2002 after having risen to prominence in the Australian AOG, this information surfaced and was openly reported. It was left to his son, Brian Houston, by now the National Superintendent of AOG, to publicly discipline his father and relieve him of his duties. (3)

What Do They Teach?
Hills Christian Life Centre is known by many as ‘Hillsong’, as the music being produced and recorded there has developed into a great commercial success. The theology emanating from this Pentecostal movement is also unashamedly ‘Word of Faith’ and ‘Prosperity’ teaching.

‘Word of Faith’ was initially founded by Kenneth Hagin and propagated by Kenneth and Gloria Copeland. These people are demonstrably false teachers and false prophets.

The false teaching includes heretical teaching on the Deity of Christ and the Atonement. (4) The false prophecies of these leaders are too numerous to mention in this short article but documentation of many of them are freely available. (5) The Word of Faith ‘jesus’ is manipulated by a force of faith contained in words to give healing, money and success. Its leaders, (Copeland, Hagin, Joyce Meyers, etc), many who have been speakers at Hillsong, teach that their jesus went to hell and was tormented by demons for three days as part of the atonement. They also confuse or deny the deity of Jesus while on earth. Of course they may not teach these things while speaking at Conferences such as those held at Hillsong but they nevertheless have taught these things in their books and audio tapes.

As head of Hillsong, Brian Houston also teaches a full blown ‘prosperity’ doctrine that holds to the belief that God is willing to be controlled into blessing His people with large amounts of money commensurate to their giving. (6) His sermons spend much time in teaching a ‘giving to receive’ theology. The outcome of this is great accumulation of wealth amongst the leaders and thus Hillsong has become a multi-million dollar enterprise.

There is no doubt that Hillsong (or the attendees that give the money?), perform many good deeds. The church has numerous charitable ministries such as Mercy Ministries, (a home established by Hillsong’s Darlene Zschech for pregnant girls or those with eating disorders) and Hillsong Emerge – to help people find jobs and recover from addictions. Thousands of children in Uganda are also sponsored; and Hillsong gave $500,000 to victims of the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami.

On the negative side – Hillsong Emerge has been accused in Federal and State parliaments of misappropriating millions of dollars worth of Commonwealth grants. Also Houston failed to declare that he and his wife Bobbie had sold some personal property holdings to a Hillsong’s Leadership Ministries Incorporated (LMI), of which Brian is a director. LMI is the tax-free entity Hillsong set up to help pay the Houstons’ income. In breach of Office of Fair Trading reporting rules, no financial statements had been lodged since its inception in October 2001. Only after the property deals were uncovered by The Australian were the accounts filed in August 2005. The Houston’s incomes did not show how they as a family could afford property worth $1.738 million over 12 months. (7)

At Hillsong much time is spent on teaching about prosperity and giving. Brian wrote and published a best selling book titled . . . [Why You Need More Money]. As the money buckets are passed around at each meeting, the audiences are informed that credit card facilities are available, and cheques should be made out to Hillsong. The Australian wrote: ‘The buckets have holes in the bottom, presumably to discourage parishioners from giving coins…[But] the rivers of cash keep flowing: donations and salary tithes to Hillsong were $15.3 million in 2004; merchandise, CDs, books and DVDs, returned a further $6.93 million, while total church revenue has now passed the $50 million mark – all tax-free thanks to Hillsong’s charitable status. The message of Hillsong’s prosperity gospel is: the richer you are, the more you can help others’. (8)

Hillsong has become a platform for a wide range of ecumenical church leaders, faith healers and prosperity teachers, many who are heretical and false prophets. The wide scope was evident at a recent Conference (July/2006) when neo-evangelical Rick Warren took the stage, and was followed by radical Pentecostal Reinhard Bonnke, sharing the same event with his blazen display of ‘tongues’, prophecies and healings. At this Conference Bonnke ‘promised married couples who were barren that they would be holding their own baby in their arms in nine months time. He promised cures for cancer, for people with damage to their spines, and those suffering from rheumatoid arthritis. He asked us to stand and place our hands on the parts of the body where we were sick or on the top of our own heads, and promised that we were healed and that our life spans were returned to normal. The fact that he himself wore glasses at all times before, during and after these sessions seemed to matter little to him or the audience’. (9)

This same evangelist has fraudulently claimed to raise people from the dead and healed thousands. Investigations by various ministries and by Christian doctors have exposed this man as a signs and wonders fraud. (10) Then there is Darlene Zsech, who no doubt is an attractive and dynamic song leader, singer and motivator for Hillsong.

However, her presentation has been described by one Christian magazine as ‘sentimental, incoherent, and rather light on content – that it was all anecdote, misquoted Bible verses, oversharing and assertion…’ (11) This quote sums
up much of Hillsong teaching which majors on topical sermons with a shotgun approach to the use of scripture.

Very often the scriptures used simply do not convey what the preacher is emphasising. The pre-sermon repetitive beat music also minimises the level of discernment of the hearers. The music captures hearts and emotions well, but
does not well prepare the mind to discern truth from error. We in this ministry are increasingly noticing youth who are copying this Hillsong style of presentation and whose speech is fast, erratic and jumping from one thought to another. This ‘hype’ of Hillsong may have youth jumping and proclaiming ‘jesus’ but where is the depth that is needed when the tribulations and trials of this life hit home?

The lack of a doctrinal base is worthy of serious consideration! Such doctrines as the Cross, the Blood, the Judgement of God, the Sinfulness of Man, the pursuit of Holiness (and thus Separation) and the systematic exposition of the Scriptures – all these are hardly evident in Hillsong. When sin is spoken of, and this is not often, it is spoken in psychological terms such as negative thinking and attitudes that destroy God’s purpose in our lives, and limit our potential. There is little or no message that sinful humanity is under God’s wrath and condemnation because of our personal rebellion against Him. Hillsong’s doctrinal foundation does not allow for the Biblical connection between sin, death and judgement. One writer who went to the 2006 Conference stated: ‘…not a single example was found expounding Jesus’ death as taking the penalty for sin on our behalf so that we might avoid God’s wrath on judgement day…They do not proclaim Jesus death as a substitutionary atonement, turning aside God’s wrath so that I can receive forgiveness and be saved on the day of judgement. The Gospel is not preached. Its content is not expounded. Its great terms and concept are not taught or explained. Whatever is driving the bus, it’s not the Gospel’. (12)

The Music – Is There a Link?
Is there a link between the Hillsong music and the sinful lifestyles and aberrant doctrine amongst the leaders? We have always been sure there is. There is a rising tide of voices expressing concern over a rebellious attitude reigning in many of our youth who frequent such events as Youth Alive, Hillsong and other Contemporary Christian music events. Australia’s youth in general are already rebellious, self-centred and hate authority. Rock music reflects and fosters this rebellion. Hillsong ‘worship’ services at times resemble a nightclub and the sensuality displayed from the platform is hardly Godly and holy. Many of the lyrics are about ‘us’ and not God and promote a worldly ‘love affair’ with Jesus. The ‘mosh pit’ at the foot of the stage of some events would do credit to a Jimmy Barnes concert. Any ‘gospel’ that might be preached at these events is nullified by the effect of the emotional and worldly music which affects the flesh.

Just how close the music and the performances of Hillsong Conferences are to the world is illustrated by this testimony: ‘The sound hits you like a wave. The bass is throbbing. The drums kick through your diaphragm with each beat. The guitars thrum and swell. The lead singer is a good looking guy with unkept hair and stubble. He stands arms raised, head thrown back. The crowd moves and sways like a rippling sea. We roar. We sing. We stomp. Two guys stand next to me in leather jackets and dreadlocks, repeatedly pumping the air with their fists. They look at each other, and one mouths the word, ‘awesome!’. Loudspeakers flank the stage and rise up above the crowd in curved banks. Images flash and morph in sync with the music on billboard sized video screens. As each verse of the song leads towards the anthemic chorus, the momentum builds. The rhythm drives us forward. The chorus arrives in a rush of sound, and sweeps us on. The singer holds his mike towards us and gets us to sing. We belt it out. The year is 1988 and U2 is wowing them at the Sydney Entertainment Centre. Bono is on stage telling us how much he loves this town…[Now] Almost every detail is the same, except that the lead [Hillsong] singer is saying how much he loves Jesus…[this] at the Hillsong conference at Sydney…’ (13)

There is clearly a lack of distinction from the world, (Rom.12:2; Eph.2:2; 1Jn.2; James 4:4). We would challenge anyone to listen to the music, watch the performers and read the lyrics of Hillsong music and honestly say that it does not mimic the beat, the fashions and even the thinking of this world. If that is not evident to Christians who would read this, then why is it that the secular world sees Hillsong ever so clearly as their own, as is shown in the following quotes?:

‘Every weekend at Hillsong churches in Sydney 19,000 people sing, clap and jump through a two-hour tribute to a God who rocks’ (Jennifer Sexton, senior writer The Australian) (14)

‘…Most people attending, and everyone appearing at the conference, looked irredeemably ‘hip’. The young Asian woman in front of me in Bonnets workshop actually wore a clinging, rather revealing outfit as did many of her fellow delegates…she nodded approvingly as Bonnet said he would happily borrow from Kylie Minogue’s latest CD cover for ideas on how to promote Hillsong’s Darlene Zschech, the music pastor whose Christian rock CD’s have sold more than five million copies worldwide…A men only workshop did hear about how men need to control their sex drive and that masturbation is the first step to sexual dysfunction, but most of the presentations were…not especially heavy on theology either. Instead they tended to be of the motivational, self help, ‘Seven Habits of Highly Effective People’ type, as easily applicable to those building an environmental organization as to a church…’ (Weekend Australian, 9/10 July, 2005).

It is sad that the secular world sees Hillsong as it really is and often describes it accurately, yet Christians are blind as to just how much Hillsong is of the world! Sadly in many things ‘…the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light’, (Lk.16:8).

Paul put no emphasis on worldly methods but on the power of the message itself, (1Cor.2:1,4; 1Thess.2:3-5). We in this ministry are not against all ‘charismatic’ or lively music, such as ‘choruses’ that present sound doctrinal lyrics. However, when the rhythm dominates the music, when the noise level is so loud as to drown out voices, (is God deaf?), and when it becomes sensual, fleshly, repetitive (hypnotic) and worldly, then the line between flesh and spirit has surely been crossed! Yes, such organisations as Youth Alive, Planet Shakers and Hillsong will bring in the numbers and many will make ‘decisions’. However, these ‘results’ do not prove anything! Our music and our youth meetings should be distinct from rock music and the ways of the world. They should be holy and uncompromised.

Some years ago the Christians in the Soviet Union issued a plea to the west: ‘…freedom is bringing another great harm to our churches. This damage is coming from Christians who are sending rock music and evangelists accompanied by rock bands…We are embarrassed by this image of Christianity…We abhor all Christian Rock music…it is true that rock music attracts people to church but not to Godly living…do not desecrate our teenagers with it. Even the unbelievers recognise it is unholy music and they cannot understand how American Christians can be so much like the world. We call this music from hell.’ (15)

Godly music is predominately melody with minimal beat or at least beat that does not override the melody – this music feeds the spirit; but Hillsong emphasizes the rhythmic beat, which will naturally lean more towards the flesh. (16)

With the music there is too an ‘image’ that is portrayed by Hillsong and its performers. Many believe there is an overt sexuality. This is well underscored by the teachings of ‘Pastor’ Bobbie Houston. Her three audio tape series ‘Kingdom Women Love Sex’ (later renamed ‘She Loves and Values Her Sexuality’) have been popular in the largest Christian bookstores. These teachings set out to explain why she feels Christians should be good at ‘it’. Such things as ‘pelvic floor exercises’ and ‘orgasms’ are discussed.

Those who carry too much weight to be attractive she sees as ‘retards’. She says: ‘We need to be good at sex ourselves so that if the world happens to come knocking we can tell the story of God in our lives,’ Bobbie says, on the tape.

‘Without being lurid or untruthful – hello! – we can say [she whispers], ‘I have a great marriage and a great sex life’ – wink wink, nudge nudge. Yeah, truly.’ Bobbie also offers some practical advice. Fat is out… ‘If I carry weight I feel like a retard…How are you going to do anything to surprise your man when you need a hydraulic crane just to turn over in bed?’ Have plastic surgery, if it makes you feel better and it is for the right reasons, and ‘girls, pelvic floor exercises – can you believe I am saying this? – you know, I have heard that orgasm is not as strong if you are really sloppy in that area’.

The primary market targeted for the Hillsong merchandise and concerts is our precious youth. On questioning a group of young people who attend Hillsong,
the unanimous answer to our question ‘How did you become involved in this Church?’ was – ‘the music!’. The authors have personally met non Christians who frequent Hillsong events because of the music and entertainment factor alone.

The most frightening thing about what Christians think of Hillsong is that many simply do not see the music as pandering to the world or the flesh. The doctrine is accepted as it stands – a toxic mixture of truth and error. One only has to listen to their CD’s or read the lyrics to discern that much of the music and the live performances are so close to the world and far from ‘holy’. Again, the proof of this is that many of their recordings reach the top of secular charts and are regularly advertised on commercial radio and television. One observer at the 2006 Conference stated: ‘Of the two hours or so each of the 14 rallies throughout the week, around half the time was a rock concert, led by Darlene and an array of special guest singers…The crowd seems to thrive on it. As each rally opened, an impromptu mosh pit would form at the front’ (17)

One reader wrote to us about such a typical Conference and highlighted the need for discernment: ‘I was attending a four day ‘Planet Shakers’ Conference in Adelaide with my church’s youth group, eager to learn more about God and to grow in my relationship with Him. At first, the conference seemed to be like many of the Christian functions that I had attended in the past: loud music, dynamic preachers and young Christians like me coming together to worship Jesus. However, as the conference progressed I began to notice certain things that didn’t ‘sit right’ with me. I noticed, for instance, that there was a nightly half-hour ‘sermon’ emphasizing the importance of giving as a primary means of obtaining material blessing from God….the worship was unashamedly ecstatic and repetitive, and there were altar calls and mass ‘conversions’ or ‘healings’ in nearly every session. Even more unbelievable, though, was the attitude of the conference’s director, Russell Evans: at one stage he said that he could ‘demonstrate the power of the Holy Spirit’ simply by throwing a towel at someone who would subsequently fall over! I was shocked at this outright blasphemy, but I was even more shocked at the response I got from my youth pastor, who, when told of my concern, said that Planet Shakers was a ‘perfectly normal Pentecostal conference’ and that I should just ‘chew the meat and spit out the bones’. I was also deeply concerned about the fact that I was the only one out of my entire youth group who had a negative experience of the conference! In fact, I was so distressed about being the only one that I no longer felt like a part of the group, and as a result I began to question my faith. Did I really know who God was? If this was the one true God, then why did I suddenly feel so distant from Him? Why did I no longer want to worship Him? It was at this point that I decided to search for the truth: I took a break from church and began to earnestly pray and study the Word of God for myself. However, I was still pretty upset by the Planet Shakers experience, and so found this to be incredibly difficult: so much so that I came dangerously close to giving up on the faith altogether. The only thing that gave me hope was, in fact, an http://tape testimony from your ministry of being delivered from the movement…I identified with so many of the things mentioned, and was relieved to find that there was someone else out there who felt the same way. You confirmed my suspicions about the movement…I worked up the courage to leave the offending church, which I now realise is deeply involved in both extra-biblical revelation and the ecumenical movement. I am currently seeking a new church…I admit my reluctance in committing for fear of being contaminated by false doctrine all over again…’ (18)

Many readers might say of Hillsong music that ‘some songs are OK’. But is this to accept ‘leaven’ in the lump of truth about which Scripture has much to say? ‘Leaven’ is a New Testament symbol of sin and error, (Matt.16:12). Paul warns: ‘…Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened…the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth’, (1Cor.5:6-8).

Why is the church seeking to ape the world? The very word ‘church’ comes from the Greek word ‘ekklesia’ which means to be ‘called out’ of the world. Why does the world increasingly love the music being played in many churches today? Why are many Christian singers recently making it big time on the world’s music charts and being signed up to the world’s best secular record companies?

In the middle of the 20th Century, Tozer wrote: ‘Religious entertainment is in many places rapidly crowding out the serious things of God. Many churches have become little more than poor theatres’. When Tozer wrote this the entertainment factor in churches had only just become noticeable on a broad scale. Would Tozer be able today to tell the difference between the world and the church?

Should we sing Hillsong songs? Do we not promote Hillsong in some measure when we sing their songs? Does not Hillsong benefit financially when we do so? Is not the music the entry point into Hillsong’s aberrant philosophy, doctrine and teachings? Do we not compromise God’s theology when we sing the songs? Is it not enough that the fruit of Hillsong has been adultery, sexual deviancies, broken marriages, thousands of spurious conversions, making merchandise of their hearers and false doctrinal teaching? How can we willingly allow our children or ourselves to attend these events such as Hillsong?

Hillsong is taking our youth and the church closer to the world and Rome with it’s thinking and methods. Brian Houston recently spoken at a US conference at Robert Schuller’s apostasy riddled church – and shared the platform with Roman Catholic priests speaking there. The church is called to be separate, holy and ‘the pillar and ground of truth’, (1Tim.3:15). We urge parents, teachers, Pastor/ Elders and readers to stand against Hillsong where necessary.

This article will be seen by many as ‘blunt’, ‘unloving’ and ‘judgmental’. It is indeed one of our strongest articles to date. But it is time to publicly warn people of a movement that at best is shallow ‘feel good’ Christianity and at worst a movement that is taking the church into grave apostasy and ecumenism. Hillsong has degraded moral standards, it has changed the face of Christian music and presented songs that barely have any sound doctrine in them, it has altered the attitudes of our youth and it is a melting pot of false teaching and false prophecies.

The ‘jesus’ that Hillsong presents is not the Jesus of the Bible. He does not teach, as Hillsong does, that miracles will be the forerunner of a world wide end time revival; or that unknown ‘tongues’ is the evidence of the ‘Baptism with the Spirit’, (Hillsong adheres to this error as an Assembly of God church).

The ecumenical jesus that Hillsong encourages focuses on love and avoids truth, doctrine, sin and the wrath of God – all vital ingredients of the gospel. The ecumenical jesus is into union at the expense of truth. It says Catholicism is Christian and counts ‘decisions’ as salvation. But the real Jesus is non-negotiable on holiness and separation from the world, sin and error. He does not accept mixtures (‘leaven’) or false teachers and prophets.

The real Jesus teaches us to ‘present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God’, (Rom.12:1,2).

Terry Arnold & Mike Claydon

(1) http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/04/high-cost-of-faith/

(2) Kelly Burke, ‘Religious Affairs’ Writer Sydney Morning Herald, P.8, March 27/2002

(3) Diakrisis Australia, May/June 2002; Sydney Morning Herald 27 March 2002 (4) See our papers ‘Word Faith Movement – A Closer Look’ and…

(5) ‘False Prophecies, Revelations and Teachings’

(6) Diakrisis Australia, May/June 2003, P.9,10)

(7) http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/04/high-cost-of-faith/

(8) Jennifer Sexton, senior writer, The Australian. http://
http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/04/high-cost-of-faith/

(9) ‘The Briefing’, Jan/2007, P.13 (10) Diakrisis Australia, various articles
free on request (11) ‘The Briefing’, Jan/2007, P.11 (12) Ibid P.16

(13) Ibid P.11

(14) http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/04/highcost-of-faith/

(15) Peters & Rychuk, Unregistered Union of churches, Moscow, Nov/91

(16) For the effect of music on the body & mind see Diakrisis Australia June/98; May/June 2001

(17) ‘The Briefing’, Jan/ 2007

(18) Diakrisis Australia, Sept-Oct/2003, P.7

From: Diakrisis, http://taministries.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/NL2007-0506.pdf. Backup: https://hillsongchurchwatch.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/nl2007-0506.pdf. Accessed 19/11/2012.

NOTE: SCREEN GRAB TAKEN ON THE 21/11/2012.

 

Isn’t Ed Stetzer Describing The Dangers Of Hillsong? (Part 2)

18 Sunday Nov 2012

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Ed Stetzer writes:

Considering (and Surviving) Unhealthy Christian Organizations, part 2

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In part one, I shared six signs you may be working in an unhealthy Christian organization. Many of you shared your experiences in the comment section as well. Unfortunately those issues occur more often than any of us would like.

Some interesting things occurred in response to that post. First, more than one person from the same organization contacted me thanking me. My exhortation to them was simple– I’ve been there, hang in there but get out as fast as you can.

That is why, if you do find yourself in an unhealthy Christian organization, I would encourage you to consider that God may want you to leave it. My own standard is this: will staying here hurt my walk with God or harm my family?

You might be able to handle it, but you have to ask how it will impact your family as well. You may notice that the leader often talks about the priority of family, but generally only gives priority to his or her own family– if even them. You are the only one who is advocating for your family– protect them.

Being at a place that “makes a difference” sounds good, but if you end up with a confused spiritual life or broken family, it is just not worth the price. You do not want to be a “great place” and have a broken life because you have become warped by the culture around you.

That is indeed what happens. You can often see the impact on those close to the leader. An unhealthy Christian organization tends to have two things going on at the top of the organizations:

  1. First, many of the best leaders leave (and the leader finds a way to spin their departure).
  2. Second, the leaders that stay take on the unhealthy characteristics of the organization, becoming part of the problem (even though they often bemoan the attributes of the leader). In a sense, we reproduce who we are– creating “mini-me” personalities of the leader.

Yet, that is what the unhealthy leader wants– no one to disagree or give another idea. So, in all likelihood, your best scenario is to leave.

If you believe you need to leave, start praying and looking for another ministry opportunity. This recognition of a different future will likely ease the daily pain and struggle, and help you to face each day. When you know you are going to leave, you can deal with staying a lot easier– and I know this from personal experience. When I have been in unhealthy situations, once I decided I was going to leave I did not worry so much about what was going on around me. Either way, trust your future to Christ and he gives peace that passes all understanding.

However, the reality is, in some cases you may need to stay. If that is the case, and if you believe God wants you to stay, I’d suggest these attitudes:

1. Don’t be afraid. Fear makes you cower rather than live in courage. Recognize you are in an unhealthy organization, but don’t become an unhealthy servant. I assure you, this will make you stand out (and people will say bad things), but don’t be a coward for any reason.

2. Make a difference. When I served in unhealthy places, I simply asked, “What can I do here, now?” And when you are not scurrying about in fear, you can get much done for the kingdom. I was able to encourage a lot of people– often those living in the same toxic culture.

3. Speak truth. Don’t be afraid to tell the truth about the culture, and when appropriate, the leadership. There will probably be some pushback, or even retaliation, but as you tell the truth with grace and humility, you may be heard–or it may reveal that you need to go.

4. Recognize the Lord may have other reasons for keeping you in your position. Perhaps you have another ministry in your city or church. If that is the case, contribute where you can in your job, recognize how it provides for your family, but focus your energies on your ministry. I know some who continue to work in unhealthy organizations, but stay out of devotion to their local church ministry or other calling. They endure the unhealthy organization to pursue their calling with joy.

These are not easy answers. It may be some are struggling in their places of service and don’t know where to turn. I encourage you to pray and seek the Lord’s wisdom in your calling. It may be that you will be called to do some difficult yet courageous things.

Have you left a ministry? Have you stayed? What was the result? Did you make the wise choice? What did you learn? Share your thoughts with us below.

As I am doing for this particular series, the comment rules about anonymous posting are suspended but please be wise in the words/names used in your comments.

I will share one more post on the subject in the coming days…

Source: Ed Stetzer, Considering (and Surviving) Unhealthy Christian Organizations, part 2, The Lifeway Blog, http://www.edstetzer.com/2012/04/considering-and-surviving-unhe.html, 10/04/2012. (Accessed 15/11/2012.)

 

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Isn’t Ed Stetzer Describing The Dangers Of Hillsong? (Part 1)

15 Thursday Nov 2012

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Ed Stetzer wrote the following article.

Considering (and Surviving) Unhealthy Christian Organizations, part 1

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In recent months, I have run across several people in unhealthy Christian churches and organizations. Having worked in some such settings myself, I have seen patterns that led me to start thinking . . . and writing. Maybe that is not such a good idea, but I think it is an important one. The issue continues to grow and, although such organizations can actually do good, the harm they cause to many others is immeasurable.

I started thinking about writing this article when a couple I know were approached about working at a prominent Christian organization. They expressed appreciation of how much good is done by this organization. Yet, they were not interested because they knew people who worked there. And, although everyone who worked there would readily say God was doing great things, they also used two phrases regularly: “we’re miserable” and “around here, you just keep your head down and do your job.”

And therein lies the quandary of the dysfunctional Christian organization– it often does good things on the outside while destroying the soul of those on the inside.

So, how do you know if your Christian organization or church is dysfunctional? Let me share some signs I have observed:

1. The church or organizational culture does not value those serving, just those leading and the function of the organization. When ministry leaders see people as tools rather than partners, the end result is that people are used to serve the purpose, rather than being part of the purpose. They are the tools but they don’t matter– only the leaders matter.

2. The leader is the only one who is allowed to think. The followers are to implement and nothing more. As the organization grows and the leader’s bandwidth does not, decisions are delayed and delayed because other leaders cannot make them. At one place, they refer to the leader’s office as “the black hole to which ideas go to die.” All ideas have to be approved by the leader, and since that leader thinks only he/she has good ideas, no ideas come from the people.

3. The organization or church thinks everyone else is wrong and only they are right. Thus, there is no value in other people or groups– there is a narrow group of the acceptable and the “others” are not just wrong, they are stupid. Arrogance is almost always a mark of an unhealthy Christian organization.

4. People rationalize that the good they are experiencing is worth the abuse they are receiving. Often, it is not until they have stepped away that they realize this was not true. This is one of the great lies that Christians are led to believe– that the end justifies the means. Dysfunctional organizations are towers of cards– looking (and maybe doing) good now, but they will fall because eventually the truth comes out.

5. People often know of the glaring character problems of the leader, but no one can speak truth to power. Often, I’ve noticed, these dynamic leaders are known for their anger, yet the organization fears (rather than addresses) the leader’s anger. In the end, the leader is unquestionable due to spiritual, apostolic, ecclesiastical, academic, or some other power base.

6. Many times, the leader gets a pass for the fruit of his/her leadership because of some overwhelming characteristic: preaching ability, intelligence, ability to woo others, or more. Yet, the fruit remains below– a culture toxic to all who swim downstream. The leader is often seen (from the outside) as a great leader, but those inside know him/her as someone who is, well, more concerned about outside appearance than godly leadership.

To be blunt, I see this last issue more often than you might expect. Perhaps it is because of what I do, working with different denominations and groups. I am encouraged now to be in a more healthy work environment. However, I think there is a significant issue out there– a lot of unhealthy Christian organizations are hurting those who serve within them.

Maybe you are in an unhealthy church or organization. Over the next few weeks, I would like to write something more definitive (and I hope helpful) on the subject as I see it as a great need. If you are willing, share some other characteristics (and let me know if these characteristics I’ve shared are accurate). For this series, I am suspending the comment rules about anonymous posting but please be wise in the words and comments.

In my next post, I will address what the Christian’s response might be when working in such an organization.

(You can read part 2 here.)

Source: Ed Stetzer, Considering (and Surviving) Unhealthy Christian Organizations, part 1, The Lifeway Blog, http://www.edstetzer.com/2012/04/unhealthy-christian-organizati-1.html, 05/04/2012. (Accessed 15/11/2012.)

Hillsong, Rick Warren And Fascism

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In 2006, Hillsong invited the Purpose Driven Rick Warren to speak at their annual Hillsong Conference.

Hillsong has failed dismally to guard themselves from the dangerous teachings of such men as Rick Warren. Next year in 2013, Rick Warren is speaking again at Hillsong Conference.

Hillsong writes,

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The world’s most influential speakers and artists; new electives and a renewed Kingdom passion for revival in your city & nation… 

Rick Warren

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(Source: Sydney, Australia, http://www.hillsongconference.com/sydney, Accessed 03/11/2012.)

WHAT’S WRONG WITH RICK WARREN?

Part from continually exposing Rick Warren as a dedicated bible-twister, Chris Rosebrough has extensively researched the connections between the post-modern church, Rick Warren and their connections to anti-intellectualism and fascism. We will be examining Hillsong and Fascism in articles to come. In the mean time we wish to provide you with articles and resources so readers can understand the times in which we live in.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE: YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED INTO THE COMMUNITY

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Source: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE: YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED INTO THE COMMUNITY, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2012/05/resistance-is-futile-you-will-be-assimilated-into-the-community.html, 11/05/2012. (Accessed 03/11/2012.)

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Denton Interviews Levins On Hillsong: “I was detoxed from toxic Christianity”

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On ABC’s ‘Enough Rope’, Andrew Denton interviewed a woman by the name of Tanya Levin. Tanya Levin shared her insights as a Hillsong member.

“Tanya Levin grew up in Hillsong and has written a book about her experiences.
After pressure by hillsong the original publisher dropped her book for fear of backlash from Hillsong.
Finally a publisher has had the courage to print her story
this is her first interview.

The book is released August 7 2007″ – Tanya Levin’s – People in glass houses part 1, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Y4cvSyBjo, Uploaded by HillsongTV on Aug 1, 2007. (Accessed 02/11/2012.)

The book is titled ‘People In Glass Houses’. We will be examining her material on Hillsong Church Watch. Watch her interview here:

Source: Tanya Levin’s – People in glass houses part 2, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLzmTJ770K0, Uploaded by HillsongTV on Aug 1, 2007. (Accessed 02/11/2012.)

Below is a transcript of the interview.

Tanya Levin

Tanya Levin
Its growth in this country has been phenomenal. Politicians from all parties have cosied up to its congregation and it preaches that God wants you to be rich. It is the Hillsong Church. Now for the first time one of its flock, Tanya Levin, offers an insider account.

ANDREW DENTON: Please welcome Tanya Levin. Tanya welcome.

APPLAUSE

TANYA LEVIN: Thank you Andrew.

ANDREW DENTON: Tanya your book’s been controversial even before it’s been published and we’ll get to the controversy in a while, but I want to go back to January the 4th, 1987…

TANYA LEVIN: Ah…

ANDREW DENTON: Your diary entry the day you were freed from the spirit of rock n’ roll. What happened that day?

TANYA LEVIN: I was at church on a Sunday morning, and Hills Christian Life Centre as it was known then, had been advertising for a long time that rock n’ roll music was evil, that it was the work of Satan. And I recognised one of the leaders who actually was working in radio at the time, and I thought I’ll go up to him and I’ll say “This music’s okay, isn’t it?” And he actually turned to me and he said “I, I need you to be free from the spirit of rock n’ roll.” He said “I know that you are following one of the high priests of Satan, which is Bruce Springsteen, and you need to go home now and you need to destroy all of that material.”
ANDREW DENTON: So did you go…

TANYA LEVIN: But Bruce.

ANDREW DENTON: You went home and…

TANYA LEVIN: I went home and for about an hour and a half I cried and I cried and I cried and I ripped all the posters off the wall and I broke the records, they were actually old records and I, I broke them and I ripped out the cassettes and I cried and I prayed and I cried and that was 1987.

ANDREW DENTON: Your parents introduced you to the Hills Christian Church when you were young, about 13…

TANYA LEVIN: Hm mm.

ANDREW DENTON: And they both were…involved in the Pentecostal religion. Now I want to talk a bit about Pentecostal religion, that is where there is a belief of, it’s common to find the supernatural in every day life. And I guess an example of that would be talking in tongues. Is that right?

TANYA LEVIN: Glossolalia, it’s known as.

ANDREW DENTON: Glossolalia.

TANYA LEVIN: That’s its formal name…

ANDREW DENTON: There you go.

TANYA LEVIN: Pentecostalism is very much about a physical experience with the supernatural, be it waving your hands or praying over the people, or it’s a real embodiment thing and it’s, and it is also punctuated by speaking in tongues.

ANDREW DENTON: What’s it like to experience?

TANYA LEVIN: Well it’s…interesting in a church environment where lots of different people are doing it at once, then it can…really be a free-for-all that it can be really scary. Once you’re in tune with the culture though, it seems completely normal. I thought everybody did it as a part of their childhood.

ANDREW DENTON: Did you speak in tongues?

TANYA LEVIN: Yes, since I was eight years old. I had always been raised in a Christian household and I didn’t know any different when I was eight, that we were going to a Pentecostal church it’s…a lot of fun. I mean there’s a lot of happiness and fun and the joy of, of the Lord is, is revealed.

ANDREW DENTON: You write about it quite movingly actually, you talk about being on fire for God and how beautiful believing is. Can you explain some of what that beauty is?

TANYA LEVIN: It is. It’s a very…beautiful thing. It’s a very simplistic story to believe, but it’s all about a very personal intimate relationship with God. You know, you’re part of a big group that is there to save the world and is there to, you know. The Hillsong, for example has always portrayed themselves as a really fun church, very contemporary. And the music’s great. And, you know, who wouldn’t want to be there?

ANDREW DENTON: You actually say that you don’t think you could have written this book without Hillsong Church. In many ways they made you what you are today. How is that?

TANYA LEVIN: It’s incredible. You get taught to be absolutely invincible. You get taught that you can overcome anything, that you can achieve anything, through God. Ah and…it makes you feel incredibly courageous, and incredibly able to face the world, with the power, and the spiritual reinforcement, that you believe you’ve been given.

ANDREW DENTON: The flip-side to the beauty of believing that sense of invincibility was, was a fear you, you describe being terrified ah and that demons could come in many forms. Where would demons come from?

TANYA LEVIN: In the 80’s we were taught pretty much that demons were everywhere, they were hiding behind every tree and every bush and if you let your guard down for a minute, those demons will come in and possess you and make you do things that you don’t want to do.

ANDREW DENTON: Okay so when did the enemy, which is what you refer to Satan as, when did the enemy start whispering doubt into your ear?

TANYA LEVIN: I would have been about 16 and I was still at the Hills Christian Life Centre. It was still a fairly small congregation so there was still maybe 500 people there. And it was all I’d known for, for these years and then, I just started getting thoughts in my head, these people are crazy.

ANDREW DENTON: What was it that you suddenly saw that you thought was crazy?

TANYA LEVIN: I’d watched, I would watch people and it looked like they were participating in some kind of charade and I didn’t know how that was possible. Also the tongues didn’t make sense. Like I thought that’s really gibberish, that can’t be real. “Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba” is what you hear.

ANDREW DENTON: Yeah.

TANYA LEVIN: And I thought no, something’s, something’s not right here.

ANDREW DENTON: When you were 24 by, you got a social work degree and you ended up doing some work with the Salvos and very interesting phrase, you said “I was ah detoxed from toxic Christianity.”

TANYA LEVIN: Yeah.

ANDREW DENTON: That’s a very strong phrase, “toxic Christianity.” Is that how you view Pentecostalism at that point?

TANYA LEVIN: I…have to say I do now. I spent five years working alongside Salvation Army officers who have a completely different outlook on what Christianity is. And they’re very, very humble people, and they’re very, very committed to serving the community.

ANDREW DENTON: And how did you see that as different to what you saw at Hillsong?

TANYA LEVIN: The Salvation Army are very much geared towards charity and gospel and Hillsong was very much geared towards money, recruitment and fund raising.

ANDREW DENTON: I want to show you a bit of Brian Houston, this is from ah Australian Story in 2005.

FOOTAGE PLAYS

ANDREW DENTON: You write in the book that even today when you hear Brian’s voice it makes you feel better. How does Brian work for you?

TANYA LEVIN: That’s funny. When you go to bible college apparently you…learn that when you say, tell the person next to you, it’s just a way, where for when the pastor’s lost his thought train. So “Turn to the person next to you and say you look great”. He’s…a very powerful speaker. His content is not very heavy but he’s very charismatic. And, you know, he’s a voice of my childhood. He’s a voice of, you know, leadership in my upbringing, so you know, and he always sounds so happy, and so pleased to be where he is and so proud of you, that you’re doing this thing with him, that you almost want to be a part of it all over again.

ANDREW DENTON: It was 2002, and in fact, it was the speech Brian made to the congregation. An important speech which really started your, I think it’s fair to say, your path to disillusionment.

TANYA LEVIN: Yeah.

ANDREW DENTON: Can you talk us through that?

TANYA LEVIN: He proceeded to talk about his father having, you know, having to have confronted his father over a serious, what he called a “serious moral failure”. These were allegations of sexual offences against teenage boys, which was never actually named on the day. So this was a “serious moral failure”. He’d had to confront his father about it, his father had confessed, the National Executive had then taken away his credentials, investigated, and taken away Houston Senior’s credentials. And that Brian Houston himself was crushed. And he asked for the congregation to pray for his family, for his wife and his children, and the congregation did. They stood up and they applauded him, and that was the end of that speech.

ANDREW DENTON: There was no reference to the people that had been abused or whose lives may have been damaged.

TANYA LEVIN: Absolutely no reference to the victims. There was no stance taken on child sexual assault, or child abuse of any form or care for children, ah there was no standing up and saying “Look, we will not tolerate this in our congregation”. And in fact what it made me wonder was, if this is how they treat these kinds of issues on the most public level that they’ve got, how are they treating them on smaller more, you know, in more private arenas?

ANDREW DENTON: You raise a number of questions about Hillsong Church in it and one of those is about prosperity theology, which is probably best summed up and the title of this book by Brian Houston ‘You Need More Money.’ Can you explain to us what ‘prosperity theology’ is?

TANYA LEVIN: Prosperity theology is the belief, the absolute belief, that according to the bible, according to the verses in the bible, God wants you to be rich. He wants you to have prosperity in every area of your life, particularly your finances. And that to not be that way is actually to be disobedient to the word of God.

ANDREW DENTON: Why would God want you to be rich, what does that achieve?

TANYA LEVIN: You know, if the Christians can have all the wealth then they can redistribute it as they wish to. You know, to the areas of poverty that they want to distribute it to, the areas of need that they see fit.

ANDREW DENTON: Well Hillsong has…a strong record of distributing to charity, this is what Brian Houston said on Australian Story about where some of their money goes.

FOOTAGE PLAYS

ANDREW DENTON: From your viewpoint, is that the whole picture?

TANYA LEVIN: It’s very abstract. 60 per cent of their money goes towards helping people directly, that could mean any number of things.

ANDREW DENTON: Do you do you suspect ah that under closer scrutiny, that there is something questionable, ah the way Hillsong operates?

TANYA LEVIN: I can’t argue that there’s anything questionable. What I can argue that is questionable, is the lack of transparency. So, you know, as much as they might say their books are open, everybody that I’ve interviewed who has asked to have a look at the books is told that they’ve got a bad attitude or they’ve got doubts and therefore we get back to the story of sin and doubt so.

ANDREW DENTON: You also talk about Bobbie Houston and how you came to question some of her values. What is it according to Bobbie, and the teachings of Hillsong, that kingdom women should aspire to be?

TANYA LEVIN: Bobbie Houston, who’s Brian’s wife, is the women’s leader for Hillsong. And, she teaches from a proverb, ah from the Book of Proverbs, number 31, which is about a devoted wife. So kingdom woman should be a devoted wife, she should be a helper and a companion, which is what Eve was created for, for Adam. She should at all times be supportive of her husband’s goals, that is what a kingdom woman is there for, and if she doesn’t have a husband, she should be in training to get a good husband, so that she can fulfil his goals.

ANDREW DENTON: In 2005 you went to the Colour Your World Hillsong Women’s Conference…

TANYA LEVIN: Mm

ANDREW DENTON: And this is really the moment where you decided you want to write a book. What happened there?

TANYA LEVIN: Ah haaa. Hillsong…are running the charity, ‘Compassion’, which is on a child sponsorship model of and…they’re promoting very heavily child sponsorship, in Uganda. And they had a big photo of an African child with his hands… And the caption was, “Will you be my sponsor” and I thought next they’re going to put them in like bikinis and lipstick and then what we, like at what point is this exploitation.

ANDREW DENTON: Nonetheless it does seem to me to be perhaps…an overly strong way, but it seems to me to be people trying to do something that’s worthwhile.

TANYA LEVIN: It’s very clearly people trying to do something that will further the advancement of fundamentalist Christianity. This orphanage in Uganda is explicitly set up for the children to learn how to be Pentecostals, with hopes that one day there’ll be a Pentecostal leader in Uganda.

ANDREW DENTON: So you’re suggesting that Hillsong’s primarily set up for recruitment?

TANYA LEVIN: And fundraising.

ANDREW DENTON: And fundraising for itself, which would imply that the faith, that is apparently its core, is not necessarily a genuine faith. Is this more a question of you having lost your faith, rather than the church having lost its?

TANYA LEVIN: It took a very long time to take my faith away from me, it was really the last thing I wanted to do was to admit that all of this stuff was true. My opinions have changed again since I’ve been researching and I’ve met so many people, negatively effected by churches like this, that it just added up to be you know, too many people with the same kinds of stories.

ANDREW DENTON: You refer to them as the walking wounded, why are they wounded?

TANYA LEVIN: I found a very strong pattern in what happens when people show resistance. So everything’s happy and everything’s fine when you don’t show any kind of resistance. If you show resistance to the pastors, the leadership, the program, the teaching, you’re dealt with very severely.

ANDREW DENTON: What does severely mean?

TANYA LEVIN: Well, you know, in cases there are people who who have been told that they’re demonic, and generally what is happened is that eh once people are showing enough resistance, that is going to need to be quelled immediately. So they’re often ostracised, and other congregants are told not to have anything to do with them, because they’ve got doubts, you know, they’re, they’re not for us, they must be against us. It’s a very fundamentalist polarised point of view.

ANDREW DENTON: Okay. When you told Brian and Bobbie that you wanted to write this book, because you did, what happened, what was the response?

TANYA LEVIN: Well, I got a response from the General Manager of Hillsong, who said that I cause significant disruption, that I was never to go on Hillsong premises again and that no they won’t be helping me with the book.

ANDREW DENTON: I should point out that we have invited Brian and Bobbie Houston to respond to Tanya’s interview and they have an open forum on this show if they wish to take it. This is the first interview you’ve done, so the the wave is about to break over you.

TANYA LEVIN: Mm.

ANDREW DENTON: The consequences of your book, are you sure you’ve done the right thing?

TANYA LEVIN: I know absolutely that I’ve done the right thing. Every time I watch some Hillsong tape I’m convinced because when I started out I thought “Ooh where will I research, what will I do?” And now all I have to do is is watch Hillsong’s own promotional material, and they will say to you explicitly that they want to build more buildings but they need more money, to do it so, you know, there are no hidden meanings there, it’s very explicit. And when you have a biblical world view and you see the whole world through the, you know, the words of the bible or the the pastor that you’ve been trained by, you can’t see it as simplistically, and it’s obviously taken me years and years, to separate it all out.

ANDREW DENTON: Well Tanya, thank you for speaking so clearly tonight. Appreciate it.

TANYA LEVIN: Thank you very much Andrew.

Source: Tanya Levin, Enough Rope, ABC, http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1992756.htm,  Episodes 30/07/2007. (Accessed 03/11/2012.)

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