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In the US, a popular Christian rapper Shai Linne recently wrote a song called Fal$e Teacher$. Knowing the song was going to be provocative, Shai Linne thoughtfully explained why he wrote this song.
The song itself is biblical, inspiring and thought provoking. What Shai Linne didn’t realise is that his song slammed both the C3 & Hillsong Word of Faith cults. In past years, the C3 cult has endorsed and invited Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, TD Jakes, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland and many other false teachers. We know that Brian Houston endorses Phil Pringle’s C3 Cult Movement.
Brian Houston is also in the past endorsed and invited just as many dangerous false teachers including Joel Osteen, infamous modalist TD Jakes and Joyce Meyer. This year, TD Jakes and Joel Osteen are speaking again at Hillsong Conference among other dangerous teachers including Rick Warren, Judah Smith and Craig Groeschel. If you would like to research their dangerous doctrines, please examine the resources in our side bar. Apprising and Fighting For the Faith are good resources to start your research.
At this point it is worth you listening to Shai Linn’s song. (And possibly researching the false teachers mentioned.)
If you listened to the lyrics, the song names the following false teachers that are wreaking havoc on our Lord’s church:
Joel Osteen – false teacher! (Let them know)
Creflo Dollar is a false teacher! (Who else? Who else?)
Benny Hinn is a false teacher! I know they’re popular but don’t let them deceive ya! (Talk to them)
TD Jakes is a false teacher! (Tell the Truth)
Joyce Meyer is a false teacher! (Let them know)
Paula White is a false teacher! Use your discernment, let the Bible lead ya! (Keep going)
Fred Price is a false teacher! (Tell the Truth)
Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher! (Who else? Who else?)
Robert Tilton is a false teacher! I know they’re popular but don’t let them deceive ya! (Talk to them)
Eddie Long is a false teacher! (Let them know)
Juanita Bynum is a false teacher! (Who else? Who else?)
Paul Crouch is a false teacher! Use your discernment, let the Bible lead ya!”
Paula White’s son reacted to the song and wrote a public letter that criticised Shai Linne. While Chris Rosebrough from ‘Fighting For The Faith’ did not interview Shai Linne, he did dialogue with Jovan MacKenzie who is good associates with Shai Linne. MacKenzie discussed Shai Linne’s controversial rap. Listen here.
APRIL 19, 2013
FULL CIRCLE???
Click Here to Download this episode
Program segments:
• Email: Assurance
• Cindy Jacob’s Full Circle “Insight”
• Interview with Jovan MacKenzy
Source: Fighting For The Faith, Full Circle, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2013/04/full-circle.html, 19/04/2013.
MacKenzie really emphasised the destructive nature of false teachers in the church and how their false teachings have trashed, demonised, marginalised and sensored Christians from various denominations. The Hillsong and C3 Word of Faith cults are no different.
MacKenzie does a good job addressing the spiritual crimes false teachers are committing on the church.
MacKenzie: You know if I went on TV- if there were ten schools in my city that were molesting children and I came out every day and exposed another school, do you think any of these people are gonna hit me up and cry, “Hey man! I don’t think you should- I know they’re molesting kids but you really shouldn’t- you just shouldn’t do it. Maybe you should hit them up privately-” Or you know, “We all sin. Who are we to judge somebody for molesting kids? You know, I know it’s wrong but maybe you shouldn’t warn their parents”. But nobody would say that because we know that’s foolish.
Rosebrough: Right.
MacKenzie: … If I just say, well, you know, “Hey! There’s a school out there molesting kids. I don’t want to name names though. I just want to drop-” A lot of people say, “Well, you should expose the doctrine but not the person.”
“Well wait a minute! I did that with your kids and say, “Hey man! I’m not wanting these schools to molester kids.”
You’ll be like, “No. You need to tell me what school. Cos my kid goes to school and I need to know who’s molesting kids and I want to get my kid out of there and I want to sue as well.”
Rosebrough: Right.
MacKenzie: You know what I’m saying? So, so- it’s funny we do that with false teachers where they’re not blessing kids, they’re doing a lot worse. They’re molesting souls.
Rosebrough: Yeah?
MacKenzie: They’re molesting the Word of God. They’re switching the Word of God and so- It’s like we’re called to stand in love and be like, “Yo! We need to warn people”. There’s too many people that claim to be of the reformed space but they don’t have a- I’ll try say it in as nice as I can- they don’t have a backbone when it comes to standing for truth…
… We need to make sure that our own heart is right as well. You know, we don’t just need to go on a rampage and just expose for the sake of exposing. But expose because we love God and we love souls. Yeah, I definitely see that. There is not enough people that are shouting and coming against these guys. And my thing is, the worst days, the false churches, they have no problem telling you exactly what they believe. They don’t have any problem with spewing heresy. They’re bold when it comes to speaking their lies. But we’re not bold in speaking the truth. And that’s my problem right there.
Rosebrough: You’re absolutely right.
These are sobering thoughts. Something to consider – is the church at large, or more particularly those attending churches like C3 and Hillsong, loving God and neighbor by tolerating men like Phil Pringle and Brian Houston?
Hillsong Church Watch 
Jesus indicated that hurting children was the worst sin. You are indicating it’s not. Absolutely disgusting.
Are you implying that these ministries are guilty of child molesting? Pedophiles?
Dear Lord, these two sites are gradually getting more defamatory.
Sad that you’re so blind to false prophets. I guess their games are working. So you DON’T KNOW that Eddie Long molested three young boys who were members of his church? Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
If you can’t see through these false prophets and that everything he’s saying about them IS accurate, you either need glasses or new eyes. SMH.
What’s even sadder is most Christians today entertain the thought that they could spot a false teacher a mile away, while they are following after some false teachers.
This is a problem in the Church today.
Eddie Long could walk into his church wearing a sign saying “I AM A FALSE TEACHER” and his congregation would not believe it. You might recall Eddie was carried around in his church seated on a throne and his congregation was thrilled.
At least you changed the name of the post. But it’s still a disgusting post.
@ newtaste – why?
No one would deny the horror of child molestation and we live in a fallen world heading more rapidly down the dark tunnel of depravity.
But we also need to be reminded that the Lord highly esteems His word, elevating its importance even above that of His name.What do we see in so man pulpits today? Serious abuse of God’s Holy Word.
Psalm 138:2 “I bow down toward your holy temple nd give thanks to your name for your steadfast love and your faithfulness, or you have exalted above all things your name and your word”.
Shai Linne lovingly and scripturally responds to fal$e teacher Paula White’s son when he complained about the song……..
“Hey Brad,
This is Shai Linne. I’m writing to reply to the recent open letter you wrote in response to my song, “Fal$e Teacher$“. In that song, I referred to Paula White, among others, as a false teacher. I’m glad that you responded because it serves as a reminder to us all that this discussion involves real people with real families and real souls. Therefore, this is not something that should be taken lightly. It’s very serious. Before I directly address the substance of your open letter, I first want to commend you for a few things that encouraged me as I read it.
1. I was encouraged to read your confession of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I loved hearing you affirm the blessed Trinity, the deity of Christ, His atoning sacrifice and salvation by grace through faith in Christ. I can’t even type that last sentence without it affecting me. Beautiful truths, indeed! Those truths are the foundation of my hope and joy. My soul leaps when I hear someone affirm these things as you did. Amen and amen.
2. I was encouraged to read of your obvious love for your mother. What son couldn’t relate to the passion behind what you wrote? If someone said anything that I perceived as negative or untrue about my mom, I would be the first to defend her. As a son who dearly loves his own mom, I could identify with you. Thank you for setting a good example for sons out there in stepping up to defend your mother.
3. I was encouraged to hear of your mother praying for your salvation, as well as teaching you the faith. Again, I can relate. I myself am the result of a praying mother. In fact, I once told my mom that I would never become a Christian. Even as I entered adulthood while continuing in rebellion against God, she never stopped praying for me. I am eternally grateful to her for crying out to God on my behalf when I was dead in my sins! So I was glad to hear you mention what you did about your mother. It’s a good model for other mothers to emulate.
The Real Issue
With that said, Brad, I don’t think your letter actually addresses the real issue. My song was not about you, your financial status, the genuineness of your faith, your mother’s prayers for you or the good things that Paula White Ministries does. The song was about the false doctrine that Paula White and others have publicly taught for many years and continue to teach.
Speaking of public teaching, you mentioned Matthew 18:15-17 to support the idea that I should have contacted you privately first. The irony, of course, is that you made this claim in a letter that is open for the public to read without contacting me privately first. Why did you choose to go about things in this way? Is it because I came out and said something about Paula White publicly and therefore you felt it deserved a public response? If that’s how you thought about it, you would be right. And that’s exactly why I addressed Paula White’s public teachings publicly. Here is a helpful article by noted New Testament scholar D.A. Carson on why Matthew 18 doesn’t apply in situations like this.
I want to address a few of the false teachings themselves. I went straight to the Paula White Ministries website and your Youtube page so I could hear what you have released as representative of Paula White’s teaching. There are many things I could speak on, but I’ll highlight three here.
1. False View of the Atonement
Paula White did a series called 8 Promises of the Atonement, that at the time of my writing this, is currently featured on your ministry website. In it, she states that physical healing and financial abundance in this life are provided for in the atonement of Christ. See the following video at the 25:00 mark where Paula White teaches “salvation includes healing.” She says it again at 28:30. But then she goes even further. If you keep listening, she talks about commanding her body not to be sick because of the blood of Christ. She ends this section by boldly declaring around 29:40:
“You are not going to die of sickness. When you go, it’s going to be because of your appointed time of old age and full of life”
For Paula White to say this to a large crowd of people is both false and irresponsible. She has no idea how those people are going to die. The truth is that Christians do get sick. Many godly believers die at young ages from sickness and it is not due to their lack of faith or because they haven’t embraced what’s theirs through the atonement. It’s because God is sovereign.
As He says in Deut. 32:39, “‘See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.”
Psalm 139:14 says “All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be”.
God sovereignly determines when we live and when we die. And if He appoints or allows a sickness to take our lives, it is because His infinite wisdom determined that it be so.
At the 2:00 mark of this video on your website, Paula White lists “financial abundance” as one of the promises of the atonement. This is false. It is also a slap in the face to the millions godly saints throughout the world today (and church history) who do not live in “financial abundance” like many of us live here in America. Jesus commends the church in Smyrna when He says:
“‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan” – Rev. 2:9
In His kindness and care, the risen Savior tells the church in Smyrna that He is aware of their poverty. What does He say after that? Does He tell them that they’re poor because they haven’t fully embraced the promise of His atonement? Does He say they’re poor because of a generational curse, as Paula White teaches at 13:20 in this video? No. He reminds them that though they are materially poor in this world, they are actually rich in God’s eyes because of their union with Jesus Christ! Like C.S. Lewis once famously said, “He who has God and everything else has no more than He who has God only.”
In 1 Timothy 6:7-8, which is in the same context of a passage I mentioned in the song, it says “For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that.” This is consistent with the New Testament emphasis on contentment, which is almost always mentioned in contrast to the love of money (Heb. 13:5). I’m encouraged to see that you try to put that into practice in your own life, Brad. But in doing so, you’re actually contradicting the teaching of Paula White, who says that the atonement promises your financial abundance. She obviously embraces this teaching herself. It is well documented that she, along with others mentioned in the song, was investigated by the U.S. Senate for financial impropriety due to their extravagant lifestyles. Much more could be said about this, but let me get to the next false teaching.
2. False “Sow a Seed” Teaching
This is something that is common among the people I named in the song, including Paula White. The premise is that if you give a certain amount of money, God will multiply it and you’ll get more money back in return. As I studied the prosperity teachers, I noticed that they often used this tactic when taking an offering. But when you study the Scriptures, you find that the “sow a seed” passages that are usually referred to are not talking about money at all, but the knowledge of the kingdom of God, which leads to salvation (See Matthew 13:1-23). Even in 2 Cor. 9:6-15, where seed is used in connection with financial gifts, the emphasis is on generously supplying the needs of other churches (vs. 12) and having what you need to serve others effectively (vs. 8). Living out the American Dream is not in view there.
In the following video, Paula White gives an appeal for money at The Potter’s House, the church pastored by T.D. Jakes. Around 2:10 she says, “God is speaking to many”. She then tells them what God is supposedly saying, “Give a $126 dollar offering. For some it may be $1,260, for some it may be $12,600”.
Now if I’m sitting in that audience that day and Paula White says, “God is saying give $126 or $1,260 or $12,600”, what am I supposed to do? If God is saying it and I don’t do it, I’m being disobedient. But here’s the thing. I don’t have to wonder whether or not God is saying that through Paula White because God has already spoken in His Word, the Bible. And in the Bible, God said:
“Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2 Cor. 9:7)
What Paula White does in that video absolutely qualifies as compulsion and it actually made me sad for her as I watched it. In this video at 25:08, in the middle of an appeal for money (Start it at 22:28 to get the full context), Paula White promises that “Your seed today is gonna turn everything around for your children, your grandchildren, your family, your spouse, everyone in relation to you. But you have to activate it. Call that toll-free number.” There is no way that that statement could be true for each of the thousands of Christians and non-Christians watching the show that day! What makes it worse is that she’s claiming to speak for God as she does it. And that brings me to the final and perhaps most serious falsehood.
3. Falsely Claiming to Speak For God
As I’m sure you know, Brad, God takes speaking in His name very seriously. To say that God said something that He didn’t say is to lie on God. God takes this sin so seriously that in the Old Testament, the person found guilty of this was to be executed. Check out Deuteronomy 18:20:
“But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’”
The verses following that one give the litmus test for how we can determine whether or not someone is speaking for God:
“And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’—when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously.” (Deut. 18:21-22)
There is nothing new under the sun. People have been falsely claiming to speak for God for thousands of years. Here’s what God said when it was happening in Jeremiah’s day.
“Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, declares the Lord, and who tell them and lead my people astray by their lies and their recklessness, when I did not send them or charge them. So they do not profit this people at all, declares the Lord.” – Jeremiah 23:32
As sincere as Paula White may be, she is extremely reckless in the many false things that she says God told her to tell her listeners. The videos I provided are enough. Just go back and listen to how often she says God is saying something that He could not possibly be saying to everyone listening to her at the time. “You are not going to die of sickness” is just one of many examples I could give. Sadly, her teaching is characterized by this falsehood. She and the other people I mentioned in the song do this all the time.
Conclusion
This is getting long, so I’ll bring it to a close. I know you love your mother, Brad. I love mine as well. I made Fal$e Teacher$ because there are many other sons out there whose mothers have had their lives greatly damaged by the false teachings of Paula White and the others mentioned in the song. I would love to hear that Paula White has repented and renounced the many false things that she has taught. I am praying to that end. But until she does that, I must soberly maintain that the Biblical category of “False Teacher” does, in fact, apply her. And those who follow her must be warned. And just so you know, I have your email address and will gladly take this conversation offline with you if you’d like.
grace and peace,
Shai.
http://wadeoradio.com/shai-linne-responds-to-paula-white-ministries-open-letter/
Paula was speaking out of Faith. Are you going to sit here and declare that Christians need to face facts and expect life to happen when we have the power given to us by Grace which is Christ Jesus to be free from all of it?! Think about the centurion who came boldly to Jesus. We as Sons of God being in Christ and having power taken restored to us under the Covenant of Grace now have that authority to declare that we are healed, and will not die of sickness. A venomous snake bit the Apostle Paul and he knew that he WOULD NOT DIE because of who he served! Faith! And check this when he didn’t swell, they thought Paul was a god! We are called to operate like God on this earth exercising dominion over all issues of life! Because of the Anointing of the Blood. We aren’t helpless! I’m not saying I’m on my Savior’s level, but by His Grace, I am made righteous with the Anointing and the POWER of that Anointing! If Jesus raised the dead, I can declare I will live even till HIS return! This is what you learn under Pastor Kenneth Copeland and Pastor Dollar! When they speak of the “Gospel of Prosperity”, they speak in all aspects of life. Not just financially. In the family, emotionally, mentally, and Spiritually, as well. In everything. Its not reckless. It’s walking in GRACE. Being free to live for God without condemnation looming over you. There is no need to live like we are in bondage when we have been given authority to reign as a King in life. This one and the next. Christ is our brother just as much as He is our ruler. We’ve inherited the kingdom. We conquer because of who we serve. We are not feeble.
The thing is if you are done being blinded you’ll see that every blow that comes to these men and women of God, our Father shows up for their good and for His glory. It happen to Oral Roberts who was outright performing healing miracles. Yet he was hated. Check this. So was Christ by the Pharisees who’d said Jesus cast out demons with Beezlebub. Why the freak would Satan be divided against himself. Just as Christ cast out demons with the Spirit of God, Oral ministered healing to the sick, lame, and oppressed with the same Anointed Spirit of God and His healing power. And his son Richard has now taken the mantle. Does that make them false teachers? They had the healing touch and were CHOSEN to do so. They gave hope to believers and are examples that show you can be healed by the Blood of Jesus when you have faith! You don’t even need us you have the same authority to minister healing to yourself and others. But do you TRUST, RELY, and have FULL CONFIDENCE in God? If Dad is for us, what or who could be against us?
Oh btw. Pastor Price wrote a lovely book on FAITH, FOOLISHNESS, and PRESUMPTION and how to decipher which is what. I doubt believing and having endless faith and trust in God that you are healed and will prosper in life is FOOLISHNESS or presumption. Trials come and go but Jesus is still Lord and will lead those who are in Him that have Corresponding action with their FAITH.
You deleted your outrageous and disgusting opening blurb, but have still left in a quote from Rosebrough’s program:
“You know what I’m saying? So, so- it’s funny we do that with false teachers where they’re not blessing kids, they’re doing a lot worse. They’re molesting souls.”
Your continued inclusion of this quote means you support it?
“But we also need to be reminded that the Lord highly esteems His word, elevating its importance even above that of His name.”
Jesus is the Word.
Well, if you’re going to call supposed wrong doctrine ‘molesting the soul’ and compare it to child molestation, can I apply the same to you and your own doctrine if I find anything which doesn’t add up to sound theology?
I’m surprised that someone like Rosebrough, who is a stickler for doctrinal accuracy from a Lutheran perspective, would condone such a diatribe, let alone agree with it. And Watcher too, who is generally such a Sola Scriptura person from a Reformed position.
I don’t always agree with either of their assessments or theology, but at least they are solid on most things doctrinal. But their agreement with this line of argument is a disgrace.
And if this is the standard you want to deploy, well, let’s see how your theology stacks up and whether you’re ‘molesting’ anyone, because, as newtaste points out, we know what Jesus does with child abusers.
Newtaste – you say “You deleted your outrageous and disgusting opening blurb, but have still left in a quote from Rosebrough’s program:
“You know what I’m saying? So, so- it’s funny we do that with false teachers where they’re not blessing kids, they’re doing a lot worse. They’re molesting souls.”
It’s not my blog.
Speaking as one who was molested as a child, I stand by what I said about God’s word.The false teachers today are wicked, and we are warned about them. One of the most heartbreaking things for me is seeing some of our grandchildren being exposed to false teaching on a weekly basis, (Bill Johnson/Bethel)
Galatians 1:8 (ESV) “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.”
Let’s take some time to read the consequences of false teaching……..
Accursed = anathema = used in the New Testament, comes from the Greek ana’thema, meaning “a person or thing accursed or consigned to damnation or destruction.” Used only six times, the word anathema is usually translated as “accursed,” “cursed,” or “eternally condemned” in the more modern Bible translations. Young’s Literal Translation, the American Standard Version and the King James Version transliterate it as “anathema.”
The NIV translates Romans 9:23 as “For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race.” Here, the meaning conveyed has do to more with one being consigned to eternal condemnation. It carries with it the idea of complete separation from Christ and His salvation.
Another example of the use of this word is Galatians 1:8-9. The American Standard Version (1901) renders this passage as “But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema. As we have said before, so say I now again, if any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema.” In the NIV, the words “eternally condemned” replace “anathema.”
Another use of the word anathema has to do with placing an oath or a vow upon oneself. For example, in Acts 23:12 we read of certain Jews who had “banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul” (Acts 23:12, ASV). These Jews had determined that Paul was to be killed and believed it was their duty to put him away. As such, they “anathematized” themselves or, as the NIV renders it, “bound themselves with an oath” to fast until they had done the deed.
Anathema is also used in conjunction with the word maranatha, found only in 1 Corinthians 16:22: “If anyone does not love the Lord, he is to be accursed. Maranatha” (1 Corinthians 16:22, NASB,). Maranatha expresses the hope of Christ’s second coming. Other modern versions translate this passage as “If anyone does not love the Lord—a curse be on him. Come, O Lord!” 1 Corinthians 16:22, NIV). The word anathema is related to the Old Testament Hebrew word haram or herem, which was often used in referencing the total annihilation of idolatrous people or nations (Numbers 21:2-3; Joshua 6:17). Haram sometimes pertained to a person or object forever devoted to God (Leviticus 27:21).
Generally speaking, most Bible scholars agree that the word anathema is best understood to mean that which is to be accursed, condemned, or destroyed. When the Lord says something is “anathema,” it is a serious matter.”
Sound like false teachers have some serious repenting to do?
And Newtaste – “Matthew 18:1-6 and Mark 9:42 explain the consequences for leading a child to disobedience: “it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.” As horrible as physical child abuse can be, there is nothing worse than pushing a child away from a relationship with Jesus. Spiritual abuse, often disguised as verbal and emotional abuse, is misrepresenting God, and it is the worst type of abuse possible.”
Well then, so be it, and let a person who judges be judged with the same judgement they mete out.
It occurs to me that these sites, including Rosebrough, have upped the ante on their targets. This results in far more speculative opinion and less demonstrable fact. This site and its sister site also rely on self-analising agreement with its own previous entries to build a negative picture of its target groups.
Some threads used as references, with only one or two or no comments, are assumed to be accurate even though they are not fact checked or confirmed. Those who attempt to raise an issue with the composers of the posts are generally removed from commentary or abused by sympathetic commenters. This post is an exception to a degree, but the main thrust of the claims remains.
Some of the commentary, which is part of the whole presentation, despite any disclaimer from the authors of these blogs, has gone beyond mere criticism into defamation and is left unchecked.
It’s not really a problem if a commenter like Watcher has an opinion or a perspective on an issue, but there are other comments on these blogs which go beyond fact into fictional supposition, and, in this case, very explicit connotation. It cannot be missed that these ministries are being likened to pedophiles. There is a strength to this opinion which takes the attacks on ministries to another level.
Judging doctrine is valid. It is a good trait. But you have to measure doctrine against the highest standards of theological understanding.
If you’re game to do this go ahead, but be assured that God will hold you accountable for your judgment. You will be measured by that which you measure. Is your measure balanced? Are the weights even?
I don’t see how it can carry any weight when it is done anonymously whilst naming those you are judging.
Judging doctrine is one thing, but judging people is quite another, and it fraught with danger because the person judging will be judged by the same standard they set for those they judge. Are you able to withstand this? Have you reached perfection as a person? How does God see you? Will he compare you to your judgment of others?
If you decide that, from now on, a person who preaches error is to be considered on a par with a pedophile then you had better make sure your own theology is perfect, because you will be held up to the same scrutiny.
It’s not about theology – it’s about the standard God Himself holds to His Word.
By the way, I was upset about the title seeming to connect Pringle and Houston to child molestation and contacted the moderator of this blog privately, something we ALL can do.
Those thoughtful young black reformed singers wouldn’t like it either. You need to understand their own background to see where they are coming from.
Having said that, I still believe (speaking as a “victim” of false teaching AND molestation) that false teachers are as dangerous, from a more eternal perspective.
And yes – I do think Houston and Pringle are false teachers. But I think you know that.
Newtaste has expressed the same view about Pringle as a false teacher many times elsewhere but not about Houston – perhaps because he attends a Hillsong church? I don’t know, perhaps he could clarify.
Newtaste – did you watch the first clip above? Or as you have said before, you can’t.
Random Saturday musings….
Romans 16:17-18 ESV “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.”
How often is this passage used to accuse those of us (who question the teachings by the Pringles and Houstons of this world), of being divisive, when in fact it’s up to the truly Christian pastor who is duty-bound by scripture to obey the above command!
To mark and avoid those who teach doctrine contrary to SOUND doctrine.
It’s a sad situation when it’s the sheep who have to cry out to the shepherd to be honest in their dealings with false teachers.
Instead, by their “loud” silence, their shepherds seem to be endorsing them.
Watcher, How does associating someone with child molestation have anything to do with wanting someone to teach sound doctrine. You can try and support what McKenzie said as much as you want, going off on all sorts of tangents, but you’ll NEVER convince me. It was a despicable thing he said.
(You appeared to be the guy who posts here as you respond to all the comments. Sorry for that.)
This site has been very helpful in teaching sound doctrine by exposing the false one. I I Just want to share 2 Peter 1:5-8 to everyone. Hopefully that verse help people to be fruitful and thus be able to identify false doctrine.
I love kong hee, Phil pringle etc but I have to say that they have been unbiblical in what they preach.
Hopefully they repent and turn away from the wide gate and pick the narrow gate
How often does the word of god have to turn out corrupt before some folks get the message, that’s what it has been all along?
Do you use the same logic in other areas of your life?
” there are sometimes counterfeiters, therefore money itself is evil…”
” there are some phoney diets that give false hope to terminally ill people, therefore any diet plan out there should be rejected…”
” there are criminals who break the law, therefore the law itself is broken …”
Typical comment from a typical atheist who of course believes in the Evolution myth.
He’s bored and out trolling the internet for attention.
Thank you!!! This song is soooo true! Wow, he’s calling these snakes out left, right and center! Any WOMAN who claims to be called and is preaching, teaching and pastoring is false. Do these people even READ the bible?
“Scripture please? I certainly want to comply with the Word. I just missed the one about jeans in the pulpit..”
What a clown. How can anyone take him seriously?
http://z1059.com/should-pastors-wear-jeans-to-church/