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Ecumenism: A doctrine that attempts to find common ground with all faiths and beliefs systems, applying pressure on individuals or religious groups to unite together for the “greater good” at the expense of watering down the core foundations of the Christian faith.
The Christian Post reports,
Hillsong Conference Kicks Off with Over 24,000
Internationally-known Hillsong Church kicked off its annual conference Monday, drawing over 24,000 Christians from all around the world to Sydney, Australia.
While the charismatic megachurch is most well known for its music ministry, its annual conferences focus on providing practical tools to churches and leaders to more effectively make a positive difference in their local community and the world.
And that is true for this year’s conference “more than ever before,” according to Hillsong Senior Pastor Brian Houston.
“There is great strength in the Church coming together, and it makes a powerful statement to our city and nation that the Church of Jesus Christ is alive and strong!” Houston exclaimed prior to the July 7-11 gathering, according to U.K.-based Christian Today.
This year’s conference is Hillsong’s 22nd and has drawn Christians from 21 denominations around Australia and 70 other countries.
And like last year’s conference, Hillsong is again highlighting the biblical call for social justice.
In welcoming the conference delegates, Tim Costello, chief executive of World Vision Australia, praised U2 frontman and anti-poverty campaigner Bono as a prophet of the movement to eliminate global poverty.
“Bono understands we cannot make poverty history unless the church rises up,” he said, according to the Sydney Morning Herald. In addition his music, the Irish rock star is known for often using his star power to get people aware of HIV and poverty in the world, especially in Africa.
Hillsong’s Houston said the word justice and the responsibility it implied was a key message of the conference.
In the opening session Monday night, Pastor Robert Barriger called Christians to action. “What matters is we are just the church and the church is the salt of the earth and we can make the world better. Just because we are the church.”
Barriger leads a church called Camino de Vida in Lima, Peru, where he has been a missionary for 25 years. His rapidly-growing church is involved in a range of social justice projects across the nation, including child health initiatives and the distribution of more than 40,000 wheelchairs to the physically challenged.
In addition to the call to justice, several other themes overarch the conference including uniting “the generations” and building strong local churches that are helping to bring answers, hope and a sense of community for people.
“This conference is not for the weak or fainthearted, yet it will encourage and raise those who are to ‘be strong and of exceptional courage,” the Hillsong team expressed in a statement to potential attendees. “For over 20 years the testimony of this gathering, has been churches, teams and individuals whose ‘rising’ has radically changed the world they influence.”
It’s a gathering of “[m]en, women and youth, whose passion is to make known and famous the God of their Salvation, and effectively communicate His Gospel to a searching, lost and dying humanity,” they added.
The event is also serving as a warm-up act to World Youth Day, which is expected to draw hundreds of thousands of Catholic youth from Australia and around the world next week. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the Catholic Church is borrowing Hillsong’s headline act for World Youth Day in its own attempt at mass youth evangelism. Hillsong’s worship pastor, Darlene Zschech, and her band will perform at a concert held after the Stations of the Cross on Friday, July 18.
Catholic World Youth Day events will take place July 15-20, ending with a papal mass that is expected to draw up to half a million people.
Source: By Joshua Hall, Hillsong Conference Kicks Off with Over 24,000, Christian Post, http://www.christianpost.com/news/hillsong-conference-kicks-off-with-over-24-000-33175/, 8:08 am 08/07/2008. (Accessed 30/05/2014.)
Symphony of Scripture writes,
Hillsong Says: Reformers Fought for Nothing
But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. (2 Corinthians 11:3-4)
For many years now, Christians throughout the world have spoken out against the unbiblical gospel that is presented by Australia’s Hillsong church. However, time and time again, the popular organization has refused to reform their ways. Their apathy for truth and right doctrine has lead many to suspect that the leadership of Hillsong know very little of biblical doctrine and the historic faith. Well, it is now safe to say our suspicions have, unfortunately, been confirmed.
Hillsong church are promoting and uniting with the gospel of the Roman Catholic religion. On a poster advertising World Youth Day, Hillsong worship leader Darlene Zschech says:
“We see WYD08 as a great opportunity to serve the Catholic Church in its vision to present the gospel and reach out to our city, our nation and our world in unity.” (Source)
The gospel, Darlene? Which gospel would that be?
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
(Galatians 1:8-10)
Source: By Hillsong Says: Reformers Fought for Nothing01/07/2008. (Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20120326134319/http://www.symphonyofscripture.com/?p=1023#comments)
And if you don’t think that Hillsong endorses the Roman Catholic Cult today, hear is their approval of Pope Francis through their beloved Darlene Zschech.
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Having been brought up Catholic, and having been born again at 18 years of age, I can testify to the stark differences between the works based religion of my early childhood (man performing useless works in order to appease the deity – God,) and that of living faith, as the Holy Spirit drew me towards a saving faith in God, without any works being necessary for salvation.
In the intervening years since late 1978, I have travelled half way around Australia, and have witnessed a steep decline within the church in general. Back in ‘the good old days’ you could find a decent church, who stuck to the basics of the Gospel and stood up for what they believed in. There were no mantras, no slogans, no formatted clothing, no money grubbing ministries (although there were a few on the rise…)
Although tithing was taught in many places (Pentecostal, Charismatic and Evangelical churches,) it wasn’t the tub thumping “tithing sermon” rake off of the congregation that it is today – people were decent, by and large – there were standards, and yes, while some of them would be considered ‘legalistic’ by today’s (lowered) standards, they held the church together in general, because they were Bible based.
What we have witnessed in the post modern church in the late 20th and early 21st centuries are declinng standards of dress, behaviour and attitude. Some may say that these things are only outward appearances, and they would be partly right. However, I would say that they are outward signs of an inward change.
A change that not only lowers standards, but also lowers barriers and defences too. Denominationalism has a historical aspect to it, it is not just predicated on differences about doctrine alone. Each new movement came out of a previous one, because the old one had “gone cold” – the new one, having received more light than the previous one, moved forward to take souls for the kingdom in their day.
Some paid dearly for the privelige of being a believer. Some were made destitute,others were imprisoned and tortured for their faith, while others still died for what they believed in. In and amongst it all, there has been one common denominator – Satan and his minions. Demonically inspired men tried on many occasions to destroy the true blood bought church of Jesus, only to fail over and over again
This is what has been forgotten in today’s “yuppie” churches – the fact that none of us would be standing here, if it hadn’t been for the sacrifices of all those who came before, and under the most appalling and trying circumstances. I have a copy of Foxe’s book of Martyrs, and it does me good to read through it once or twice a year – it reminds me that Christ strengthened those persecuted saints in their darkest hour.
What has happened is that sound doctrine has been replaced by “sound systems” – very loud ones. Faith has been replaced by “feel good” events and repentance has been replaced by the false teaching that “you can come to Jesus and He will accept you as you are – and then you can stay that way” Baloney.
“I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it” Jesus said, and His saying holds true some 2,000 years later. The real church is still here, despite Satan’s many attempts to counterfeit it through false religions, cults and fake ‘churches’.
The chief protagonist of all of the above for the last 1700 years, is the Vatican – all roads lead to Rome, and the road that Hillsong and others of its ilk have chosen, ends up on the front steps of St Peter’s Basillica in Rome.
Of that, I have no doubt…
When I left the Pentecostal / C3 “movement” a fair number of years ago now, I had gone throughout the process of watching the growing influence of “money” and “wealth” as the focus for pastors in quite a short time. At first it was just part of the service, like passing the basket around in a Catholic church, but then the teachings become heavily focused on it.
Thinking back, it started around the same time that Phil Pringle was spending a lot of time visiting churches around Australia and really trying to coordinate the youth movement (because if you have the youth, you have the future). I think he might have been trying to sell or promote his music as well. But I do clearly recall Pringle wearing surfie gear, it was all about making an impression for the youth, not the older churchgoers.
This was just before he began annexing churches under the Christian City Church Later C3) brand, although I could never understand why the churches who went along with that did so. Do you have any idea what did the pastors got out of those deals?
After having witnessed the historical meeting over the weekend of the Pope, Israeli President Shimon Peres , Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew, and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for joint peace prayer in the Vatican’s garden we are wondering how long it will be before an actual peace agreement is signed.
In my opinion, prophetic signs generally seem to be pointing to the long foretold peace treaty brokered by the Antichrist. I don’t suggest that Pope Francis is the man himself, but things are moving very fast, and as this is the first time the three major religions have come together for the sake of ‘peace’ in this way, and Francis seems to be doing a far better job than Obama in making friends, it will be interesting what happens.
Added to this I saw on the ABC over the weekend, an episode of TedX Arts in which two men brought together Hebrew Hymns and Muslim Holy Scripture in one song. I find it difficult to believe that either religions would find this palatable, and I personally find this blasphemous, but this is the strong current which seems to be sweeping all before it with narry a voice of protest from either camp.
If the Pope is courting the Pentecostal church in Australia, and indeed he is, then it is not surprising that Hillsong Leaders are publicly embracing him. But then they also embrace Russell Crowe publicly, so what can you say.
For me, it is interesting that Hillsong are seen as apparently representing the post-modern church in Australia; depressing but interesting..
I don’t think really it matters one way or another. There will eventually be a one world church in the same way there will be a one world government, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Francis ends up either playing a large part in it, or at the very least being the catalyst to the new Age.
If you’re not aware of a human condition know as “confirmation bias” I would suggest you look it up. I have seen countless people point our these so called “prophetic signs” over the years. Jesus should have returned 150 times by now, and people were certain of it. Why? Because they got a bit of information and shaped it to suit their own belief system, thereby making it true in their own mind. I kid you not, I have seen people sell their house because of it.
The fact is no one knows what’s going to happen tomorrow, so I wouldn’t bother getting myself worked up over it.
@ Icarus – Hi, I believe that we are all capable of bias to a degree. We also take information from sources that we have come to trust, which others choose not to trust. Based on those sources, the word of God and our opinion (which sometimes does contain an amount of speculation too,) we ‘predict’ the future. I am not buying into a discussion on end time events as such.
Some people’s ‘predictions’ like those of (obvious false prophet) Harold Camping, have gotten them into no end of trouble, and have also caused much consternation amongst the saints, and sometmes the onlooking world as well. There is no other topic in some circles that can do this like the various end time scenarios as preached from pulpits world wide.
What I have noticed Icarus, is the almost total absence of this kind of “second coming” message amongst these modern false prophets. There is no impetus to ‘fear God’ because Jesus is coming back soon. I recognise that you have stated that this kind of message has been worn out, but my question is “what’s the motive behind it?”
Where some of the Hyper Faith ilk have this in place, it is often tantamount to mere tokenism – they have something (a booklet, a CD/DVD on the topic, or a series of talks which they do ‘live’) simply because their “disguise”, as a genuine preacher would look rather naked without it… or because they tend to specialise in it, with a Hyper Faith twist (that no doubt nets them mega dollars each year…)
This series of predictions is only meant to be there to fill up a gap, much like spac filler fills a hole in a wall in order to make it look better than it would without it. This kind of ‘ministry’ is not about preparing people’s hearts in order to meet their God – it is more about having some ‘shop window dressing’ in place, in case anybody asks about the obvious “hole in the wall”…
I haven’t heard what I would regard as a good ‘second coming’ preacher for many years – most of the ones I knew are dead. I too, know a few stories where people have sold homes in order to buy into a “last days” communal set up, only to lose everything. Tragic really, and it can be avoided…
Whatever the outcome of those scenarios, it is clear that the Vatican is wooing the backslidden Pentecostal/Charismatic crowd, to embrace “mother church” once more, and of course in doing that, they would be saying that every martyr in the last 500 years, has died for nothing – I agree.
Well, they didn’t – they died to preserve the word of God for public consumption, for the right to publicly worship God in spirit and in truth, and the right to bare witness to the Gospel to a lost and dying world, without let or hindrance – and they succeeded by and large.
We stand tall on the shoulders of those who have come before – let’s not let them down in these last days when many voices are shouting at us to take our ease, to be healthy, wealthy and propserous according to the materialistic ‘spirit of the age’, to worship Mammon first and God last. when it is so obvious that much tougher times are up ahead…
I can see how you might assume, given your personal history, that stating an opinion with confidence, especially on the subject of eschatology, may look like religious zealotry. However, as you have pointed out, human beings tend to take objective evidence and use it to confirm their own personal bias.
There is better end times preacher than Jacob Prasch who speaks Hebrew , lived in Israel and knows some Greek.
See youtube or Moriel Ministries.org
as much as i agree with all the comments on darlene zschech, yes endorsing catholicism is wrong.
darlene is no longer a part of hillsong church, as you guys already know she co pastors hope unlimited church with her husband mark zschech.
even through as you guys have already said, no woman should be a pastor or have any authority over men.
1 corinthians 14:34-35
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1 timothy 2:11-14
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.For Adam was first formed, then Eve.And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
so using darlene zschech as a target for hillsong is wrong, if you are to address her separately to hillsong that would be more fair.
because she is no longer responsible for the affairs of hillsong church.
“so using darlene zschech as a target for hillsong is wrong, if you are to address her separately to hillsong that would be more fair.”
Darlene Zschech was responsible and a representative of Hillsong in that time period. Her involvement and her association with Hillsong to this day is still strong. She still is friends with Brian and Houston and speaks highly of Hillsong. She still rejects Christ’s instruction on her affairs with Hillsong.
Hi Mrhatch – I don’t think that this was intended on Darlene as such but rather an expose’ of her support for the Vatican. As an ex Catholic myself, I feel that it is most dangerous to promote the Papacy – in particular the current one, as he seems to have a rather darkened background in his native South America.
Events like World Youth Day are meant to ‘sugar coat’ the Vatican and hide their real agenda of world domination. As commentators have said here andin other places, if you can get the youth, then you’ve got the future. It was the Jesuits who said:
“Give me a child for for his first seven years and I’ll give you the (Catholic) man”
(brackets are mine)
Such people know the powerful influences behind mass gatherings for a single purpose and that they have a maximised effects on the minds of young impressionable teenagers and young adults. Older folks are usually too set in their ways to be affected by such things.
Even though Darlene and her husband have left Hillsong and begun another ‘church’ they may well be indrectly affiliated with Hillsong via the ACC denomination, and if they hold to the same doctrines and practices by and large, how is there practically any real difference between the two ‘churches’?
The article used in the start up post also came from 2008, when Darlene was still a part of Hillsong, so some comments about her association back then may still be valid.
I am afraid that, music for me, would not cause me to endorse or validate a ministry that was otherwise promoting a false gospel and possibly leading millions of innocent listeners to a Christless eternity. This may sound harsh and confronting, but there comes a time when we have to, in our own minds and hearts, seperate truth from error and then hold fast to the truth and depart from the error…
There’s nothing personal in that for me, or from me – just Bible truth!
Here’s a link to a small article on discerning truth from error for general conspumtion. I am not endorsing everything this person has to say but I find thid part helpful:
http://www.bible.ca/ef/expository-1-john-4-1-6(2).htm
“Events like World Youth Day are meant to ‘sugar coat’ the Vatican and hide their real agenda of world domination.”
They didn’t really hide it.
@ anitameg2014 – I’m sorry but i’m not sure who your last comments were directed to? In relation to bias – I believe that it is fair to say that we all have it, and that we often indulge in speculation too, neither of which is a sin… 🙂
@churchwatcher – no they couldn’t ‘hide’ their involvement – not with the Pope showing up at such events, but it is the youth they were trying to get to and I am sure that such an event of that size and nature had a huge ‘eccumenical’ flavour and atmosphere to it.
The link between Hillsong, other churches and Rome is clearly established with aprofessional support band in tow along with tweets in their favour, and that is more to the point…
Due to the high probability that many, if not most of those youth, have not been taught sound doctrine, let alone much of church history, they may well have been blinded to the eccumenicism of the event and just went along for ‘a good time’ without realising that such events have consequences – some times eternal ones.
I was talking to Icarus. I posted the comment under his post, but it came up after yours for some reason.
I can’t seem to get in touch with churchwatcher by email, so I’m posting this here (sorry if it’s in the wrong place) but it appears that Hillsong ‘church’ has now opened a night club (yes folks – a NIGHT CLUB)
Situated at 235 Wickham Street in downtown Fortitude Valley – Brisbane’s sleazy inner city version of king’s Cross in Sydney – here’s the link to an article that appeared on a blogsite on 30th of may this year:
http://coercioncode.com/2014/05/30/dancing-in-the-dark-hillsong-night-club-church/
and then scroll down.
I was told about this place on the weekend but had no details of adress etc, so couldn’t find it, but it looks like the rumour is true…
Austin
austin
yes i agree with not endorsing music ministries, who are leading people to a christless eternity.
yes i can see there are so many antichrists in the evangelical church today.
mathew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
“Darlene Zschech was responsible and a
representative of Hillsong in that time period. Her involvement and her association with Hillsong to this day is still strong. She still is friends with Brian and Houston and speaks highly of Hillsong. She still rejects Christ’s instruction on her affairs with Hillsong.”
You keep claiming that Darlene Zschech is still entrenched with Hillsong and Houston but fail to offer any evidence to back up that claim.
Earlier this year Darlene Zschech was featured in CCM magazine with a story about ‘Shout to the Lord’. While Hillsong is mentioned in the article, Darlene isn’t quoted as mentioning Hillsong, and she doesn’t mention Brian Houston either, though Houston was intimately involved in the production of those early Hillsong albums. http://www.darlenezschech.com/blog/2014/06/24/the-10-most-influential-songs-in-contemporary-christian-music/
Darlene Zschech’s website mentions Hillsong frequently as the content goes back some years. However, a search of her website for ‘Houston’ finds nothing. Brian Houston isn’t mentioned on Darlene Zschech’s website.
@Newtaste – it’s basically what I said before – Hope Unlimited Church is, for all intents and purposes, a hillsong ‘clone’. They believe the same doctrines (no matter how misguided they may be,) they also have a similar style of ‘worship’.
They promote their own ‘Bible School’ in association with Alphacrusis (formerly the AOG college,) now attached firmly to the ACC and of course, Hillsong’s Brian Houston was the head of the ACC for some 12 years (essentially, the Pentecostal Pope Downunder.)
http://www.hopeuc.com/#/hopeuc-college
Here’s a quote from Charisma Magazine website about the relationship between the Houstons and the Zschech’s on into the future after they had left Hillsong:
“Zschech was the worship pastor of Hillsong Church for 11 years, stepping down in 2007. She continued to lead worship regularly at Hillsong and was a prominent figure with the Hillsong worship team on its international ministry tours.
Houston said in a note posted on the Hillsong website that Darlene has been welcomed “to continue to be part of the team in key Hillsong praise and worship projects and, with Mark, in Hillsong Conferences, and we pray great things for their future.”
http://www.charismamag.com/site-archives/570-news/featured-news/12096-darlene-zschech-leaving-hillsong-to-co-pastor-church-
So what is the difference Newtaste? Is there really any difference between those two ‘churches’ at all? And have the Zschech’s really gone their separate ways altogether? I think not…
“And have the Zschech’s really gone their separate ways altogether? I think not… “.
Well they have. Like churchwatch, you are digging up old references. Darlene has had nothing to do with the Hillsong album that will be released this weekend, and had nothing to do with last years album. And as I have mentioned before, Darlene and Mark did not attend Hillsong’s 30th anniversary last year (which was before she was diagnosed with breast cancer), and she did not attend Brian’s 40th year in ministry / 60th birthday celebrations nor his exclusive birthday party in the city the next night.
Just because Hillsong and Hope UC are similar means nothing in respect to whether Darlene and Brian are still friends or not.
Brian and Darlene support the Pope …enough said !
Well, “digging up old references” is still relevant – it shows roots, links and clear associations over a 25 year time span. I don’t think that this blog highlights ‘friendships’ as its primary function, but rather seeks to expose the errors contained in some people’s doctrine and practice – errors with eternal consequences…
“Just because Hillsong and Hope UC are similar means nothing in respect to whether Darlene and Brian are still friends or not.”
Seeing they are more or less the same kind of ‘church’ (emergent, post modernist, hyper faith, and somewhat cultish), then they are both still ‘good friends’ with false doctrines, aren’t they? Then there’s the recently opened Valley “nightclub” church here in Brisbane – well that’s certainly progress, Houston style now, isn’t it?
With a ready made ‘rent-a-crowd’ who are used to bright lights and loud music, all Brian will have to do is to educate them to ‘tithe’ and appreciate feel-good sermons that lead nowhere in God, and he’ll have several hundred ‘converts’ who know everything about him – and nothing about God!
As to whether there has been a personal falling out between Brian and Darlene et al or not is hard to say, and it may just be that Darlene et al are seeking to distance themselves somewhat from the Hillsong juggernaut, in order to establish their own identity within the ACC while at the same time maintaining the ‘cloned’ image that deceived people everywhere have come to know and love…
Darlene Zschech and Hope UC on the Central Coast have their own conference this weekend. It’s being live streamed to Globe Church in Newcastle and to Blue Mountains City Church. The guest speakers are Phil and Holly Wagner.
https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/the-living-room-relationship-conference-2014-tickets-12025862679
Hillsong is nowhere to be seen.
Sorry @newtaste, but the mere fact that they are holding their own conference bares out what i said before – they are distancing themselves from Houston et al, in order to gain a seperate following, while the ‘imprint’ of the Hillsong ‘franchise’ will still be there on everything they do and say, for a long time to come.
Nothing has changed – the only thing that has changed are their church name, address and phone number – hardly any change at all…
Phil Wagner majorly defended JOEL OSTEEN, and JOEL OSTEEN recommended Phil Wagner’s church.
So regardless of the Zschech’s present relationship with Houston (whatever that may be), Darlene Zschech is no better off now, than she was before.
Darlene and Phil and Joel and Brian are all in the same trick deck.
Pick a card, any card… It doesn’t matter which one, they’re all part of the same magic trick, that makes people’s money disappear…
~Andy
Hi @Andy – the best card trick I ever learned was where four Jacks appear to be dealt from the top of the deck into the body of the deck. Of course, all you have to do, is ‘ruffle’ the deck with your thumb and four fingers so that the jacks appear back on top, so they can all be dealt straight off, face up and in order…
So how does it happen? That’s easy – they were never on top of the deck in the first place. Four fake cards (usually the church “fall guys”) are placed behind the last Jack when you’re displaying them.
So it is the ‘fakes’ that are gotten rid of into the deck, so that the ‘four Jacks’ can be on top of the deck for their final appearance – now that’s just “Magick” Hillsong style, is it not???
Decent people are gotten rid of, so that the four Jacks can maintain their dominance – sound familiar???
Hey Austin, to add to that…
I used to go into Manhattan often (well over 100 times).
Occasionally I’d notice a man on the sidewalk standing behind a card table (always a different man at a different location around Manhattan).
After awhile, a fresh crowd of people always gathered around to watch. Then, a 2nd guy stepped out of the crowd, beat the card dealer, and took the dealer’s money. (The 2nd ‘guy’ was obviously a partner.)
Inevitably, some passer-by would fall for it, take his chances, lose (of course), and give the dealer his cash.
I saw passers-by lose $100 in under 30 seconds.
It greatly increases the appearance of legitimacy, when anyone with ulterior motives partners up with others of like mind.
Most of these conferences and book endorsements are teamwork phony-baloney…
~Andy
I see nothing wrong with hillsong and the catholic church to work hand in hand or any other gospel believing church it is time christians of today realised that it is not about the mountain or jerusalem anymore that we worship our father but its about individuals being true worshippers (john 4:20-24) Jesus abolished the Jewish law and its commands to bring to himself one instead of two people hence there is no jew nor gentile (eph 2:11-16) it is about being in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1)
Catholics are taught to pray to dead people …..thats not the truth of Jesus or the bible.
“I see nothing […]”
That’s because you are blind.
“I see nothing wrong with hillsong and the catholic church to work hand in hand or any other gospel believing church…”
Oh dear, Joe – I think you need to go and study the last 500 years of Church history, so that you can see just how impossible it would be for any genuine, God fearing, Bible believing church or individual to ‘partner’ with Rome on any issue…
What you say about there being neither Greek nor Jew but one new man in Christ is true, but both parties have to be born again and also be prepared to worship God in spirit and in truth. Roman Catholics do not (generally speaking) fall into this category…
Today’s Ecumenical Movement was spawned by the Vatican, as a mechanism to bring back most if not all of the Protestant churches, under its sway once more.
Instead of calling us ‘heretics’ and using the civil authorities to ‘burn us at the stake’ (like they did to 68 million people during the inquisition,) Rome now pretends to call us “separated brethren” while she lulls the vast majority of compromised ‘Laodicean christians’ back into the fold of Rome (or was that the Vatican’s Goat Pen???)
The Roman Catholic institution is idolatrous and Antichrist – it replaces Jesus as redeemer and mediator, with the Pope and a glorified Mary – Maryiolatry, a particular form of idolatry – even Anglican/Episcopalian ‘churches’ have statues of Mary in them nowadays…
Have you prayed to ‘Mary’ lately Joe…?
I think you need to delve more into Church history. Much of what you say are misconceptions or probably hearsay from former Catholics that didn’t comprehend what Catholics actually believe in the first place. You should go to a Mass and possibly study with Catholics to see what is the actual Faith. You do realize the Bible comes from the Catholic church? However nowadays Catholics and Protestants have different bibles. Many protestants have varying bibles from one another they can’t even get it together. It ‘s like a spectrum of what Christianity actually is. The comments on here are just ridiculous.
Berean Beacon is a Christian apologetics website especially made for addressing RC church doctrines and traditions. An ex-RC priest appears to be its founder.
http://www.bereanbeacon.org/personal-testimonies/2015/7/13/richard-bennett-from-tradition-to-truth-a-priests-story
An ex-priest would far more knowledgeable about RC doctrine than any layperson.
“You do realize the Bible comes from the Catholic church?”
@Jennifer, You realize you are totally mistaken (like way out in left field), right?
http://answeringcatholicclaims.blogspot.com/2012/02/did-catholic-church-give-us-bible.html
http://www.bible.ca/cath-bible-origin.htm
https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible
“Many protestants have varying bibles from one another they can’t even get it together.”
“You should go to a Mass and possibly study with Catholics to see what is the actual Faith.”
Why should anyone leave salvation by grace, to trust in the phony Roman Catholic gospel of salvation by works?
They can’t get it together, sort of like the pope endorsed Lucifer in front of the whole world on HD TV last september, right? The whole Roman Catholic ‘church’ should be ashamed of this nonsense…
“The comments on here are just ridiculous.”
No, your comments on here are just ridiculous. And your pope’s comments are constantly insane.
“I think you need to delve more into Church history.”
The fact is, it is you who knows nothing about ‘Church history.’ I think you need to stop trusting your Catholic sources and delve more into a real non-apocrypha Bible.
Well said Thinker and Randy – I need say no mjore… but I will – I was brought up Catholic and am well acquainted with all that I stated above from about the age of 5 years old, in terms of RC doctrine, practice and ‘Mariolatry’…
As for Church history and the Bible? Well, church history makes it plain and clear that the RC ‘church’ is an antichrist organization for the very reasons I stated, and as for the Bible, it was written by Old Testament prophets and New Testament apostles and evangelists – I think its true ‘pedigree’ is very clear… Nothingto do with Rome.
Jennifer, it is you that needs to do a lot more homework on these issues and it is embarrassingly clear to me, that you do not have a clue about any of it…
I was also brought up in RC family, went to RC school grades 1-12, Mass nearly every Sunday, Catholic youth group etc. Sounding old now – the old style school with nuns, statues everywhere. Learnt Catholic prayers, saints, rituals – all church traditions with no biblical grounds at all. e.g. rosary, Benediction. No tolerant sounding, ecumenical, tolerant “other churches’ Christians are also going to heaven too”. Non-Catholics were almost as bad as other religions.
Briefly considered being a nun because I had a high opinion of one old teacher (who was a genuinely lovely woman) but that didn’t last long. It was reading the bible for myself that started the walk away from the RC church.
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Really. If you were Jesus the *whole world* would have already come to an end. Everyone in the world will see Jesus’s Second Coming.
http://www.bible-topics.com/Second-Coming-of-Christ-The.html
Jesus would NEVER contradict scripture so clearly but a troll certainly could.
“You think you know more than a man the Pope. The Pope is Gods Representative on Earth. Look it up and yet you bend a stiff neck.”
The Pope is headed for Hell.