It’s nice to know that people are not falling for Brian Houston’s lies and are starting to examine the influences and sources of Hillsong’s false teachings. Anyone is more than welcome to take any of our articles or resources to educate people on the dangers of the Hillsong Word of Faith/Liberal cult. A good example of people using some of our resources is the ‘Exposing Error @ MPBC’ blog.
Exposing Error @ MPBC writes,
A Baptist Pastor goes to a Hillsong Conference!
*** This article was received as a comment from a Moonee Ponds Baptist church member and published as requested.***
A Baptist Pastor goes to a Hillsong Conference!
What??? Certainly you are joking?
No? But why??
What true Christian, even with a bit of theological familiarity goes to a Hillsong conference?
Did he go there to find out how messed up Hillsong church and theology is?
No??? He went there to learn how to “grow the church” and “worship” (with) music and (with) Brian Huston?
So, Greg must have gone there on his own time and money?
No?? It appears that he went there on Church’s time and money!!
And the church leadership knew about this and supported it? What hope is there for MPBC, if this is the reality of our circumstances?
Before we go all crazy on the matter, let’s get some perspective here.
What’s the big deal? Is there anything wrong or sinful for a true Christian to go and support a conference such as the Hillsong one held in Sydney?
Who spoke at Hillsong 2014?
What was the cost?
Let’s answer the questions briefly and direct the readers to additional material so each one can read, verify and establish the truth for themselves.
- It is a big deal because Hillsong is not a godly “church” in the context prescribed and categorized in the bible (in the book of Revelation). No discerning Christian, let alone a Senior Baptist Pastor, should be seen in such places. The whole model of the Hillsong “church” is based on prosperity preaching. Baptists have completely different theology as compared to the one that the Hillsong church espouses. Do you see any Baptist speaking in Tongues – No? or Prophesying – No? or Taking about giving 26% tithe of your gross income on top of the weekly offerings to the church? Ah, Yes!! At least Greg has that in common with the “Word of Faith” movement. As a Baptist church, we believe that spiritual gifts such as Tongues, Visions, and Prophesy were given at a time and place for Christians for specific purposes; they were mainly gifts to edify the church before written scriptures were made available and because we have the complete bible now, we believe such spiritual gifts are uncommon today (if they exists at all) and would not serve the same purpose as they did back then. If Greg believes that these spiritual signs and gifts still exists now and are an evidence of spiritual maturity or even confirmation of one’s salvation (as most Pentecostal such as the Hillsong church believes), then why does Greg not speak in tongues? But if Greg believes that the Hillsong’s prosperity gospel is ungodly and immoral and that their theology is wrong, why did he spend so much time and money, promoting, and going to such a spiritually unhealthy place? Something is not right here.
Hillsong 2014 Speakers: numerous Special Guest Speakers such as “Brian & Jen Johnson”, “Bill Hybels”, “Louie Giglio”, “Matt Redman”, “Robert Madu”, “Steven Furtick” (and Brian Huston) spoke at the conference.
All the speakers mentioned above are popular for propagating the prosperity gospel – but let’s look at one particular person – Bill Hybels.
Here are some excerpts fromhttp://eliora.hubpages.com/hub/ELEPHANT-IN-THE-ROOM-WHAT-IS-WRONG-WITH-WILLOW-CREEK-CHURCHBILL-HYBELS
“Bill Hybels founded the church on the marketing ideas of Peter Drucker who successfully applied them to business management before directing his attention towards the mega-church. Rick Warren (remember that name? – Greg’s favourite Pastor), Bill Hybels and Bob Buford were all mentored by Peter Drucker and all three of them seem to have been almost mesmerized by him. Drucker plainly denied being a “born again” Christian and was heavily influenced by the mysticism of Kierkegaard (http://apprising.org).” (So, a non-Christian mystic is the coach of Greg’s teachers and idols? Can an ungodly source produce a godly fruit or outcome? The Bible warns us not to walk in the counsel of the ungodly. You’ve got to read it sometime Greg.)
“The desire of Willow Creek (Bill Hybels’s church) is to attract “customers” to the church with the market-driven seeker -sensitive model, and numerically this has been extremely successful (listen carefully to Greg’s “sermons” and you’ll hear similar market-driven, seeker-sensitive pandering). After surveying the community, Hybels designed his Sunday morning services to meet the “felt needs” of non-believers with programmes and entertainment, his focus being on “personal fulfilment”. There are problems biblically with this method because the perceived needs of people are often not what God defines as their real need i.e. salvation. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55/9) The seeker-sensitive method avoids offending people with the core message of the gospel – the seriousness of sin, repentance and eternal punishment. Instead it is based upon self-esteem rather than self-denial and personal fulfilment rather than on repentance of sins, in other words it is all about the individual rather than Jesus Christ. The seeker sensitive approach is a method that promotes men-pleasing as against God-pleasing. (1 Thessalonians 2/4) The danger is that this method produces false converts because attendees of seeker-sensitive churches have never repented of their sins and believed the gospel message in its entirety (Colossians 1/25).”
So, this is who Greg went to listen to. We have to wonder if Greg has similar plans i.e. seeker sensitive model for Moonee Ponds Baptist Church. All evidence seems to point in that direction. (All this in the name of growing and building the church – but Jesus says, in Mathew 16:18that He is the one who will build the church. – not Greg, not Brian Huston, not even Rick Warren – all the Pastors are called to do, is to faithfully preach the Word of God, and God will do the rest. No need for all this worldly management gimmickry, as it serves no godly purpose)
So what about Brian Houston – the Hillsong “Pastor”?
“One by one, the huge mega-churches with their 5,000+ member congregations are beginning to reveal their true agenda. The Emergent Church, powered by the Rick Warren machine, is a huge promoter of Chrislam, the demonic hybrid of Christianity and Islam. Now Hillsong United in Australia has thrown their hat into the same ring.”
Here’s a quote from Brian’s sermon back in December 2013.
“How do you view God? In a desert there’s two types of birds: there’s vultures and there’s hummingbirds. One lives off dead carcasses, rotting meat. The other lives off the beautiful, sweet nectar in a particular flower on a particular desert plant. In the same desert, they both find what they’re looking for.
“Do you know—take it all the way back into the Old Testament and the Muslim—and you, we actually serve the same God,” he said in the sermon. “Allah to a Muslim; to us, Abba Father God.”
You can listen to part of that “sermon”, from the link above or find the whole sermon online but taking a hammer and pounding it on your ears would be a better use of your time than listening to that satanic drivel.
To be fair, Brian made an attempt to retract what he said, but ended up lying and contradicting himself.
Any guesses who was one of the speakers for the 2013 Hillsong conference and also will be the speaker for 2015? Yes, the one and only Rick Warren! I know someone who won’t miss that.
What was the cost?
$199.00 to $329.00 – that’s how much the entertainment costs. If you want the Gospel, that’s free, but you probably won’t hear that at Hillsong.
Even the media recognises the Hillsong “church” for being money hungry. To get an understanding of the damage Hillsong has done to the face of Christianity in Australia, read the articles from the site below –
Source: By Paul Aletheia, A Baptist Pastor goes to a Hillsong Conference!, Exposing Error @ MPBC, http://exposingerror.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/a-baptist-pastor-goes-to-a-hillsong-conference/, Published 25/07/2014. (Accessed 01/08/2014.)
I know this is off topic,but do you know if Alan Hirsch has ever spoken at a Hillsong Conference?
From that website:
“As Rev. Bill Crews in the video said, what happened to feed my sheep (with God’s Word) – not feed the wolf – with money?”
Well the gay marriage affirming, best friends with the Dalai Lama, and multi-faith proponent Bill Crews changed his tune when Hillsong’s Donna Crouch visited him earlier this year. He was all smiles.
Time well spent with Rev Bill Crews – who runs ‘Loaves & Fishes’ restaurant for everyone from anywhere -over 1,000 meals a day are served to people doing it tough along with care & medical support ‘….but we can do more!..’ Finding ways – not excuses – to help people. ”
Presumably Hillsong and ACC offered to work with him.
Bobby Roche said:
John Dickson from the Sydney Anglicans spoke at the Hillsong conference this year – which only goes to prove the truth of the proposition in the title of your post.
We are aware of Hillsong pervading the Confessing Anglican Churches of Sydney. We have footage of this from Hillsong Conference.
There are a number of Anglican ministers that the Anglican church needs to hold accountable.
Interesting. You seem to know so much about Hillsong Church and what is taught by its leadership, yet you can’t spell the name of their Senior Pastor correctly.
Your posts have reminded me of Paul’s admonition to the churches in Euodia and Syntyche to work out their differences. Who are you to assume those workers names are not in the Book of Life?
I see Hillsong inspiring other churches to share the gospel of Christ around the world–they understand they are part of the Church, and there is a need to people to know Christ and to tell others. They work HARD, and I’m grateful they do more than sit behind a computer screen griping about what they don’t agree with in churches that don’t hold the same denomination title.
Perhaps it’s time to stop being a ‘churchwatcher’. Wouldn’t your time would be much more valuable spent focusing on what is true and honourable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise
Jan – It’s pretty easy to spot a counterfeit, when you’ve seen the real thing. And any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” through careful study of the Bible and exposure to good teachers, can easily identify false doctrine.
2 Peter 2:1-22 ESV “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;….”
Revelation 2:2 ESV “‘I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false.”
Ephesians 5:11 ESV “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.”
Deuteronomy 13:1-4 ESV “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him.”
2 Timothy 4:1-22 ESV “I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry….”
I think ‘jan’ might be interested in watching A Current Affair on channel 9 tonight [Tuesday Apr 21]. There is another story on hillsong and their [cough] movie.
ray e jones said:
“I’m grateful they do more than sit behind a computer screen griping about what they don’t agree with”
@Jan, are you also grateful for:
the cover-ups these ‘churches’ are doing,
the leaven they’re exposing Christians to,
their diverting funds for personal usage like music careers and personal monuments,
whatever else that turns up???
You must be very grateful .
“Who are you to assume those workers names are not in the Book of Life?”
Who are you to assume these “workers” are in the “Book of Life”? Do you think unrepentant men will find their names in it’s pages?
“I see Hillsong inspiring other churches to share the gospel of Christ”
Individuals in the church might – but Brian Houston and his pastafia are dead men/women walking. You can only go to heaven if you believe the gospel. But these men not only do not know it, they refuse to step down to get educated on the Christian essentials. They preach anything but Christ and Him crucified.
“they do more than sit behind a computer screen griping about what they don’t agree with in churches that don’t hold the same denomination title”
You assume we do not minister or lead people to Jesus. You probably assume were are haters and quenching the spirit.
“Perhaps it’s time to stop being a ‘churchwatcher’.”
Then that would be reject God’s Word.
“Wouldn’t your time would be much more valuable spent focusing on what is true and honourable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise”
We do – unfortunately. We need to expel the C3 cancer. The Hillsong brain tumor. Otherwise our work in the community will be undermine by these spiritual criminals. It is a Christian’s spiritual duty to expel the wicked and evil men from our churches. You would be wise to not tolerate these desecrators, criminals and alleged criminals in Christianity.
“Your posts have reminded me of Paul’s admonition to the churches in Euodia and Syntyche to work out their differences.”
We would call the Christianity to – with all efforts to “expel the wicked from among you”. Lawless men. You would be wise to not praise fraudulent institutions like Hillsong. They do nothing but breathe lies and hatred against any Christian that holds them accountable to the Word of God.
john john said:
“Your posts have reminded me of Paul’s admonition to the churches in Euodia and Syntyche to work out their differences.”
Jan, try posting that on any of the other 1000 discernment forums on the internet, then check your watch to time how long it takes you to get laughed off each website. What’s going on here has nothing to do with a “difference to be worked out between a couple churches.”
Conveniently you have forgotten 1 Cor 5:5 “Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved on the day the Lord returns.”
And 1 Tim 1:20 “Hymenaeus and Alexander are two examples. I threw them out and handed them over to Satan so they might learn not to blaspheme God.”
As I have said here before, and will probably say again, the C3/Hillsong/CHC church movements are living in a total fantasy world…
You discredit the entire post because there is a spelling mistake? If a spelling mistake or anything superficial like that is your yardstick to disregard an otherwise accurate and true post, maybe we should disregard your entire comment for the mistake in it? Read your sentence “..and there is a need to people to know…” hmmm…
Also, if you are against people using their computer or the internet to spread God’s Word or correct bad theology, why on earth are you doing the same? Certainly you don’t believe your own words?
Be true to God’s Word Jan, not people.
Jan You have quoted from philippians 4:8 but have you actually bothered to read it?
Whatever is TRUE. Did you get that? In order of importance is truth, whether positive or negative, is irrelevant. From what i have read so far, this site has a love for the truth, and so far it has not swayed from the biblical command “speaking the truth in love”
“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
81 Bible Verses about Judging False Teachers:
Great link, Thinker. Perhaps they will do their homework and be commended like the Bereans in Acts 17:11?
“Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.”
Here’s one for you mickeyears…Like 9:26 “For whosoever shall be ashamed of me AND OF MY WORDS, [ yes…that is the Holy Bible] of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.”
THAT will be reward in the life to come for those who pervert, twist and change the Word of God.
Does this sound familiar to hillsong?…Luke 26: “Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets”. 27, “But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.”
Houston says he is “pointing people to Jesus”..but what version of Jesus?
A hillsong version that might satisfy curiousity? Or a Jesus Christ, LORD and SAVIOUR to guide our consciences?
Luke13:23 “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.”
Don’t let that be you.
“Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it.”
Brian Houston is not a “brother”, he is a false teacher who deserves every bit of opprobrium that he attracts. Unless he repents he is going to be very harshly judged, particularly since the blood of all of his false converts will be required at his hand.
There’s a lot of action over on Churchwatchcentral about the ACA story TF, certainly touched an “anointed” nerve.
You should put same entry on this website too!
Hi there mickeyers,
Do you realise that condemning someone of being judgemental (as you are doing), is in itself an act of passing a judgement. So in other words, you are passing a judgement in saying that the blog is doing wrong in judging the bad theology of the Hillsong church. Also, by defending Hillsong, you are passing a judgement that hillsong is a good church. But if form of judging is a sin, then Christ and the apostles would be guilty of that sin; but since we know that Christ is sinless, we can safely conclude that passing a righteous judgement is not a sin. Consider this verse : John 7:24 Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment!
It appears that you are making a bad judgement in thinking that Hillsong church is a godly church based on it’s outwardly appearances alone; but the blog is judging Hillsong based on what is being preached – would the blog’s judgement not constitute a righteous judgement? Something to think about.
I simply quoted 8 scriptures… and you have come up with that? WOW.
“I simply quoted 8 scriptures […]”
Here are some verses for you and Brian:
‘But to the wicked person, God says:
“What right have you to recite my laws
or take my covenant on your lips?
You hate my instruction
and cast my words behind you.”‘
You can keep on kicking against the goads with all your strength, but if you refuse to repent you are going to spend eternity weeping and wailing and gnashing your teeth – and cursing Brian Houston and his deceit for having consigned you to the lake of fire.
“I simply quoted 8 scriptures… and you have come up with that? WOW.”
No mickeyers, if you were directing those 8 at this blog and these posters… Oh my! then I’m afraid you didn’t just “quote” them, you actually “misapplied” them.
I’m afraid Brian Houston would love for you to believe, that criticizing his Hillsong church for any reason, is being judgmental.
If you do not know your Bible and know it well, you will fall for his insensible patter.
Brian Houston has become so holy, he has moved beyond accountability to Christians. He speaks directly words from God, so you better listen to his royal highness. (In Brian’s case, maybe it should be “royal heinous.”)
In fact, if you know something is wrong, and you say nothing because you don’t want to appear judgmental, it is a sin for you (James 4:17).
The do not judge, does not apply unless you are doing it hypocritically. In other words you are doing the exact same thing, which has not been established.
Just putting some thoughts to you all, when Jesus caught the women in adultery he said he who has not sinned let him cast the first stone, and there was no condemnation in him at all he just said “go and sin no more”. I am sure you would all be more than happy if the staff at Hillsongs “went and sinned no more”.
6 So the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen?
7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”
We know what Cain did, we all need to “rule over it” and that isn’t easy as we all know. But Gods love and grace are sufficient. I am so appreciative for what he did on the cross for me.
“Just putting some thoughts to you all,”
Here’s a thought for you JohnBoy; the bible says lots of things and you don’t understand any of them. That’s something you have in common with Brian Houston.
Clancy Seabrook said:
Here some more thoughts for U JohnBoy.
Jesus said “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
If Jesus said it, why do U ignore Him?
If Jesus said it, why can’t we say it?
What Bible version do U use, the MSV (Missing Scriptures Version)?
Johnboy..”We know what Cain did, we all need to “rule over it” and that isn’t easy as we all know.”
You haven’t being paying attention to your pastor brian, have you?
His latest instagram ‘theology’ reveals “you are bigger than temptation.”
No more worries, no repentance, no more temptations for you to rule over!
Perhaps Adam and Eve were tempted because they weren’t close to God?
Perhaps the Holy Apostles weren’t close to God by fighting and overcoming temptation?
Should we now consider removing “Lead us not into temptation” from the Lord’s Prayer now that brian has found another ‘easy way’ detour on his wide road?
Frank houston wasn’t bigger than evil temptation..and neither is brian with his money millstone and strange theories.
churchwatcher “Latest insights” With that statement you’ve just made yourself so small, is that really insight?
‘churchwatcher “Latest insights” With that statement you’ve just made yourself so small […]’
Even smaller than Brian “You Need More Money” Houston? Even smaller than Bobbie “Kingdom Women Love Sex” Houston?
“[…] is that really insight?”
Given that Brian Houston is demonstrably an ignorant pretender, and given that you are here defending him, it is much more than an insight: it is the bare unvarnished truth.
It’s no surprise that you are choking on your weetbix. The Pharisees were likewise cut to the very quick when Jesus publicly flayed them for their dead works and rank hypocrisy – and, just like you, those whitewashed tombs could trot out Scriptures ad nauseum to prove that they were “right” and that the Son of God was “wrong”.
Anyway, it’s terribly, terribly sad to see that you are of such a tender disposition that you have no stomach at all for a stoush, and that you really don’t fancy being confronted with evidence that unmistakably contradicts the world view of those trapped inside the hillsong reality-distortion bubble. Of course, you are just like Brian in that regard, aren’t you?
A word to the wise seems apposite: if you want to comment here, you would be best advised to bring along both your brain and common sense.
“if you want to comment here, you would be best advised to bring along both your *brain and *common sense.”
which are the 2 things BH requests all congregants to check in at the porte d’entree, as they enter hillsong sydney..
Road to Emmaus said:
@ johnboy, In Matthew 22:37, “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.”
How do you expect to fulfill the “mind” part of that if you sit under B. Houston’s brain-dead teachings? Or read B. Houston’s brain-dead, brain-washing books?
Has anyone seen this? Found it on the exposing error site. Looks like Brian Houston chooses his speakers for celebrity value, not biblical accuracy or feeding the sheep, but fleecing the sheep with Rick Warrens false teaching.
Yes – we are on top of this. We are currently writing on this issue ourselves. It takes a lot of time to filter and address information on this site. Thank you for sharing.
Anyone following the past events from the moonee ponds Baptist church might want to check it out again. Apparently the pastor has played soft porn to his congregation.