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HOW HILLSONG CONVINCES PEOPLE THEY ARE A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT
For years it has been proven that Hillsong is an unbiblical Word of Faith cult. This is what is noticeable of Hillsong,
1. They have redefined the Christian church,
2. They undermine and attack biblical Christianity orthodoxy by labelling them as “critics”, “dead”, “dying”, “religious”, etc.
3. They have redefined the pastoral office,
4. They preach a false gospel,
5. They present a false Jesus,
6. They reject the authority of scripture,
7. They elevate Brian Houston above the Word of God to an infallible Messiah-like prophet/teacher/leader/visionary who cannot be questioned.
8. They redefined the role of Christian worship in church
9. They use music as an agent to infiltrate churches by influencing youth and other less discerning people.
10. They take over churches and rebrand them into their movement.
So how does Hillsong get away with it?
Well it’s called marketing. And not just marketing – Hillsong engages with ‘brainwashing’. That is, they trick people’s minds to believe irrational concepts and contradictions. Not only is this done in their music and preaching, it’s done in their manipulative and misleading marketing campaigns. And we know how manipulative the marketing world is.
We say all this to bring your attention to the marketing of this year’s Hillsong Conference 2014 just past.
NO OTHER NAME CAMPAIGN
If a group is trying to look Christian, they tend to blend in so as to look as orthodox as possible. They will often try to use fallacious arguments (which Hillsong uses), convince you that your ‘feelings’ are God telling you to join their movement (which Hillsong uses), rewrite their history to look more legitimate (which Hillsong does) and use other distracting means to convince you they are a legitimate movement.
Rather than take any form of biblical stance to give the impression they are orthodox, Hillsong simply uses mass media to mislead people into believing they are an orthodox Christian movement. Hillsong again is showing this to be the case in their latest ‘No Other Name’ campaign.
You may think we are overreacting. “You’re being harsh!”
Perhaps. But are we wrong?
When a Christian thinks ‘No Other Name’, what do you think might come to their mind?
1. Jesus 2. God 3. Hillsong 4. Stuart 5. Brian Houston
Every Christian shoud say ‘Jesus’ as their answer. The answer is implied if you know the sciptures,
“This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:11-12
But is this how Hillsong marketed Jesus? We monitored the very slick Hillsong campaign operating at the conference and we demonstrate why their marketing was so misleading with their ‘no other name’ slogan. Below is an image that illustrates the deceit of this campaign. Do you think they are implying Jesus in their slogan… or something else?
Bear in mind, the slogan backdrop was marketed everywhere at the Hillsong Conference. To anyone watching online, you were continually bombarded with the implication that there was no other name but Hillsong.
A very clever marketing strategy – in Christ alone, or in Hillsong alone? This is a carefully crafted marketing campaign. And this would have been given a lot of thought. (Looks like Jesus was not worth putting on their.)
If you can’t prove theologically that you are a legitimate Christian movement, bombard Christians with misleading advertising gimmicks to make them think you’re orthodox.
The bottom line is that if a church is saying ‘No Other Name’, you would think that they would be promoting Jesus, not their church brand. They are putting links that should not be there.
You have to ask the question, why replace Jesus with ‘Hillsong’?
Hillsong Church Watch 
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)
The mere fact that part of this famous scripture passage has been misquoted (implying that either ‘Hillsong’ or even ‘Houston’ is that ‘name’,) is not only of the Antichrist spirit (seeking to simply replace Jesus, rather than openly opposing him,) it also reeks of the warning given in Revelation 22:18, 19…
“18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
Some would argue that this warning only applies to the book of Revelation itself, whereas many others will say that by extension, it applies to the whole of the word of God.
Regardless of your viewpoint on this matter, it is clear that Brian Houston’s subtle misuse of Acts 4:12 places him squarely in the “false prophet” class, as this kind of deception is both deliberate and damning.
Heresy and blasphemy are the only two words I can find to describe it…
it reminds me of this..
http://www.cru.org/about-us/donor-relations/our-new-name/CMS1_031578
nfg
ps – sorry, i meant to add.. i remember some saying at that time, they were upset at the “Cru” name change because it appeared to be a compromise with the world.
i felt so too.
nfg
That celebrity style panel photo is sickening. It’s all about Brian’s ego not God.
I found this post on Brian and Bobbie’s official Facebook page. You’ve really got to wonder who they are worshiping.
“We are all posting this pic cos we all LOVE this guy. Greatest example of a man of faith and stature, with a truly pure heart (& a ridiculous love of the Parra Eels). His human side revealed tonight — but then, did you see him regroup and LEAD us with wisdom and precision into the future. Thank you Hillsong Church. We know you are with us. We are pioneering together into new territory. It’s harvest time and I know that heaven has laid before us an open door, and yet we are fools to think we don’t have an adversary. Time to stir up faith. Time to lean in. Time to commit, pray and be led of his Spirit. In all our cities GREATER THINGS ARE YET TO COME.”
Have to agree with you there rocky..the more i look at that photo, the more ‘set-up’ it becomes. Each person has two bottles and a glass to the left. Each bottle either has a white or black cap [ wow…did you notice? the hillsong backboard also has black and white..what a coincidence! ]. Talk about treating your ‘audience’ as fools.
As for that post by bobbie..well..she’s pushing chris pringle of c3 in the over- aged, girly, ‘prophetess’ race, and i just have to write my own opinion.
BH: “We are all posting this pic cos we all LOVE this guy” .
No Bobbie, YOU are posting the pic..not ‘We’.
BH: “Greatest example of a man of faith and stature”.
Hmm..Ever heard of the Apostles?
BH: “His human side revealed tonight..”
So Brian has been hiding this human side? We must have been watching his ‘spiritual’ side all this time?
BH: “LEAD us with wisdom and precision into the future..”
Really? Precision? Brian says the Muslim God is the same as Christians?
BH: “We are pioneering together into new territory..”
Where EXACTLY [ with precision] is that?
BH: ” I know that heaven has laid before us an open door..”
You can’t ‘lay’ an open door before you..that door would face down. You must mean: “I have SET or PUT before you an open door “. Does bobbie actually READ the Bible?
BH: “we are fools to think we don’t have an adversary..”
Yes….the REAL, Biblical Jesus Christ, HIS truth, HIS Word and HIS Gospel.
BH: “Time to lean in..”
Bobbie..I don’t think the Holy Apostles would take ‘leaning in ‘ to be a real commitment, do you?
My final thoughts on bobbie’s ‘imagination’:
I noticed bobbie has had an operation on her leg/knee…
WHY didn’t Brian Houston or Phil Pringle or…Andrew Kubala just go ahead and heal her? Aren’t they closer to God than the rest of us?
Didn’t Bobbie have enough ‘faith’ to be healed?
Seems they don’t. Very interesting.
That’s enough from me about bobbie and her prophetic, inspired message[s] ..i think i lost a few IQ points just reading her instagrams.
“I noticed bobbie has had an operation on her leg/knee…”
One of the hosts that interviewed Bobbie with her cast at Hillsong Conference 2014 called her Bob-along Houston…
Yes NFG – there is a very clear compromise with the world on many fronts. “Money, music and ministry” are just a few of them – morals could be added in too.
Some of the detractors who come here think that we are too legal or ‘prudish’ or that we somehow think that we are better than others, but it’s not about any of that.
They have been listening to men and their New Age nonsense, and have ignored the scriptures. The Bible talks about those who do such things and what their ends will be:
“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16)
If it’s too hard to understand, don’t worry about it – just make something up, or ignore it altogether… and that is what they do. They ‘wrest’ the scriptures to their own destruction…
Think how many people have taken the false prophets at their word, and have sold houses, given well above that which they can afford, or have had their friend and family relationships destroyed by all the money raking and false teaching, when they finally woke up to what was happening in the midst.
There must be millions of people worldwide, who have suffered for finding out the truth, and have then been ostracized for trying to warn others. Even if the hierarchies of many churches shooed them all away, they are still most blessed, as they no longer have to put up with all the fear and doubt that was probably in their minds at the time. Folks, if this is you, looking on, then you are most blessed…
“Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach”
(Hebrews 13:13)
This like many other ‘Churches’ such as Daystar, want you to subscribe to their own brand of religion. Churches who receive a tax break like Daystar etc, because they consider the audience their TV congregation also give believers and unbelievers the idea that a local Church is not necessary. This is fundamental as a local Church and importance of it is mentioned more than once in the Word.
Amusing because it wasn’t so long ago Brian was epousing that Allah would be the same as our Christian God. No other name indeed.
As for the oh-so-slick and dated political advertising on the backboard, i was expecting “mission accomplished” a la George bush…and we all know what happened there.
Perhaps the slogan should have been “No Other [Brand] name.
“No Other Name” by Hillsong
One name
Holds weight above them all
His fame
Outlasts the earth He formed
His praise
Resounds beyond the stars
And echoes in our hearts
The greatest One of all
His face
Shines brighter than the sun
His grace
As boundless as His love
He reigns
With healing in His wings
The King above all kings
The greatest One of all
Lift up our eyes, see the King has come
Light of the world reaching out for us
There is no other name
There is no other name
Jesus Christ our God
Seated on high, the undefeated One
Mountains bow down as we lift Him up
There is no other name
There is no other name
Jesus Christ our God
Find hope
When all the world seems lost
Behold
The triumph of the cross
His power
Has trampled death and grave
Our life found in His name
The greatest name of all
Lift up our eyes, see the King has come
Light of the world reaching out for us
There is no other name
There is no other name
Jesus Christ our God
Seated on high, the undefeated One
Mountains bow down as we lift Him up
There is no other name
There is no other name
Jesus Christ our God
Jesus
The earth will shake
And tremble before Him
Chains will break
As heaven and earth sing
Holy is the name
Holy is the name of
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus
[x2]
Lift up our eyes, see the King has come
Light of the world reaching out for us
There is no other name
There is no other name
Jesus Christ our God
Seated on high, the undefeated One
Mountains bow down as we lift Him up
There is no other name
There is no other name
There is no other name
There is no other name
Jesus
While the song says one thing, the Hillsong organisation does the opposite. The context in where this type of music is written couldn’t be more dangerous.
Yes, the glory of God is a wonderful thing folks, but don’t forget:
“You Need More Money”
(Also, we all know what “Kingdom Women” really love, don’t we [wink,wink nudge,nudge]).
Embassassing… Hillsong didn’t compare the name of Jesus Christ to buddha, allah or anything else that B.Houston would like to include….just human names. Jesus Christ is FAR beyond comparison…even with rappin’ music y’all. Just makes the hillsong ‘videos’ look so silly and immature.
Maybe Brian hasn’t quite worked out which name should be there – Oh well, there’s always next year’s conference…
My goodness all you people buying into all this….I don’t usually respond to such false accusations and attacking of a church that clearly is moving in tune to the Spirit of God. Hello….? Black and white bottle caps? Who flipping cares? The campaign was no other name in black and white, makes sense so don’t be dumb, and secondly, No Other Name clearly is about Jesus. If you think otherwise, stop holding a church that is so impactful right in front of your own eye and start inspecting your own life!! What good is it for you people to point fingers at a church that is really quite good at creating a relevant atmosphere that is drawing lost people to the kingdom of God daily, they aren’t preaching a false Jesus, you’re believing a false perception of people you don’t even know. So just chill out and stop convincing yourself that the no other name backdrop is about anything other than Jesus until otherwise stated! Come on people! ✌️
“What good is it for you people to point fingers at a church…”
We’re not pointing fingers at a church. We are pointing fingers at a cult. Cults believe in Jesus too.
The difference is churches point people to the true Jesus that grants sinners repentance and the gift of eternal life.
The Jesus of the Hillsong cult grants sinless people purpose and the gift of your prosperous best life now.
Have you ever asked anyone from that church if it is without a doubt a cult? Probably not, then what gives you the right to, and yes, point your finger and things and people you don’t know? And hello again, hillsong points people to Jesus, people aren’t stupid, people who are looking for hope can sniff out crap easily, so why do people hang around Hillsong and make it home? Because Jesus is there and Jesus is irresistible, it’s so obvious they focus on Jesus. And God does want us to have a great life, but they don’t preach that greatness is easiness. They don’t at all, they preach that great life is following Jesus, and following Jesus is not easy by any means. How about you start thinking the best of people and leave the revealing of hearts to Jesus and focus on your journey and not other peoples..? Life’s way better that way!
“Have you ever asked anyone from that church if it is without a doubt a cult?”
We get the same answers from Hillsong members as we do from Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses.
“Probably not, then what gives you the right to, and yes, point your finger and things and people you don’t know?”
Easy – faith, hope and love gives us the right.
There is nothing loving about getting involved in a counterfeit religion. It is even more unloving for people to silence and censor Christians who actually have proof to their claims of the cult-like nature places of Hillsong.
If it operates like a cult, teaches like a cult and behaves like a cult – then guess what? No matter how much they talk about their “Jesus”, it is a cult.
Well I’d encourage you to pray about this life, seems rather draining and depressing to constantly point fingers and Hillsong, so good luck mate ✌️
Noah – did Jesus Christ die to make you rich?
Nope, whether I become rich or not that’s not why He died, He died to save me from a fate that I was destined to face, because He loves me. Being a rich ministry doesn’t make you a cult.
“whether I become rich or not that’s not why He died, He died to save me from a fate that I was destined to face, because He loves me.”
Well Brian Houston believes that Jesus died to make you wealthy. Wouldn’t you call that a false gospel and a false Jesus?
How do you know what He believes..? Have you directly asked him? Have you looked online at blog posts that HE HIMSELF wrote? Or are you just going with the negative flow?
“How do you know what He believes..?”
Well Brian Houston has a brain. He also has a heart. He uses both to communicate through his lips and fingers.
We record what his brain and heart produce. Therefore we conclude from what comes out of his heart and head. If you actually were bothered to examine what he teaches, it becomes very clear that he is not of God. We have grown up beside the Houston family, read all his books and watched a countless number of sermons. We talk to Hillsong leaders and members and ex Hillsong leaders and members often.
In fact, we have seen how dishonest Houston operates behind closed doors.
Have you read all his books? Watched countless sermons? Watched all of his Hillsong conference sessions? Examined his colleges? Researched his associations?
But that’s alright. Like the false prophet he is, he has convinced you that his sheep-skin is genuine and his cup is clean on the outside.
Noahpriebe – A Brian Houston sermon review transcription – http://craigbrownsreformedtheology.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/fighting-for-the-faith-with-chris-rosebrough-sermon-review-only-for-a-while-by-brian-houston-preaching-at-rick-warrens-saddleback-church/
http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2013/01/louie-giglio-twists-ezekiel-37.html
“So just chill out and stop convincing yourself that the no other name backdrop is about anything other than Jesus until otherwise stated!”
Professional marketers do not make mistakes on this level. This is a deliberate tactic used to confuse the difference between the two names. The marketing of Hillsong has been dishonest for decades and now they are becoming more obvious because people are not challenging it.
It is clearly stated in the backdrop:
no other name Hillsong no other name Hillsong no other name Hillsong no other name Hillsong no other name Hillsong no other name Hillsong no other name Hillsong
This is how you brainwash people into cults. This is a deliberate attempt to sow confusion and associate Hillsong with ‘no other name’. Hillsong has crossed the line with this deceitful marketing ploy. You do not capitalise on the Word of God to exalt your movement.
Do not forget that anti-Christ means to be against (or replace) Christ. This is exactly what this marketing campaign has done. They have replaced Christ’s name with their own. That is what makes this marketing so evil.
And what is disturbing with people like you, is that you are more prepared to defend Hillsong and not Christ and His Word. That says a lot about you.
Actually what’s disturbing is that you choose to complain about something you clearly are taking the wrong way. Have you ever looked at a press conferences backdrop before? It always has the movement, then the name of the group backing it up, that literally means nothing about their motives. Last year it read “Glorious Ruins, Hillsong Conference 2013” do you think this has some hidden agenda of trying to take the glory of God? I don’t think so, it was just a God breathed theme that resonated in their church for a long time so they decided to name their conference and album after it..big problem? No. And taking the focus of this conversation off of Hillsong and on to Jesus, do you really think you could look up to heaven and ask God if He is proud of you for spreading hate towards a church? I doubt it, our mandate is to love people and to make disciples, not to point fingers. We are told to stay clear of false preachers yes, but not to spread hate about a church that you just “assume” is deliberately twisting the gospel. Is it worth it?
“…ask God if He is proud of you for spreading hate towards a church? I doubt it, our mandate is to love people and to make disciples, not to point fingers. We are told to stay clear of false preachers yes, but not to spread hate about a church that you just “assume” is deliberately twisting the gospel. Is it worth it?”
If they ARE twisting the Gospel then of course it is worth it – and they are. There is ample evidence of that on this and many other blogs and websites. “Hate” as you call it Noah is not on anybody’s mind, who posts here regularly.
It is exposure of falsehoods, not hate. Sure, we hate what Hillsong does and says, but we don’t hate the people, and the watchers have publicly called upon the leaders to repent of thier sins and errors many times, but to no avail. They persist in their deception, like the blind guides of Jesus’ time.
We’re not “assuming anything” – some of us have watched the Hillsong machne for years – even decades, but you come along and question our experience, knowledge and credibility, based on one or two posts, with comments following?
Honestly Noah – you need to get a life outside your version of events, and see just what the Hillsong juggernaut is all about – false doctrine, money raking, self promotion, influence and notoriety.
It is NOT about Jesus Christ – there is no humble ‘shepherd of God’ spirit or attitude coming from the platform like there would be in a real church that is honouring to God. There’s just motivational talks, pop psychology, worldly music masquerading as ‘worship’ and millions of gullible worldwide filling Hillsong’s coffers each week – and nothing more… except if you want to open a ‘franchise’ – just like a famous hamburger chain:
“Would you like any lies with that, Noah?”
Yes, there are false prophets and deceivers in God’s church my friend, and you are looking at one of them – Brian Houston!!!
“The campaign was no other name in black and white, makes sense so don’t be dumb, and secondly, No Other Name clearly is about Jesus.”
So a person who knew nothing about Christianity would immediately deduce from Hill$ong’s campaign that No Other Name actually referred to Jesus NOT Hill$ong… are you for real?!!!
“What good is it for you people to point fingers at a church that is really quite good at creating a relevant atmosphere that is drawing lost people to the kingdom of God daily”
You do know that believing the Gospel (NOT Hill$ong-style music, marketing, pep talks, personal testimonies) is what saves a person, right?
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
“they aren’t preaching a false Jesus”.
Please provide a link where Houston preaches about Jesus Christ HIMSELF in detail so readers can see that – like you claim – Houston preaches the true Jesus Christ that the apostles taught. e.g. compare with Dr John MacArthur’s sermon RE John 10:1-10 (Google Biblegateway for full passage).
Thanks in advance.
We’re not continuing this, sorry.
“We’re not continuing this, sorry.”
“We”, Noah? Are you a part of some group of pro-hillsong propagandists? Are you perhaps a little schizo?
Whatever the case, it’s understandable that you don’t wish to continue: it’s hard to make an impression when you don’t have a leg to stand on.
“[…] following Jesus is not easy by any means.”
Oh yeah; it’s just *so* tough, isn’t it? I mean, look at Brian Houston – he has to struggle by on a mere $300,000 per year (and that’s just what he admits to). The Harley-Davidson motorbike, the expensive watch, the family members who are on the “church” payroll – Brian is just a hero of the faith; a real John the Baptist type who has forsaken all to follow God.
Sadly your reaction is not unexpected. Houston is successful because many people like yourself choose to trust the man more than the bible itself.
The Bereans were praised for questioning what the apostle Paul said and comparing what he said with scripture (see Acts 17:11). Why are *you* unwilling to follow their good example?
@noahpribe “My goodness all you people buying into all this..”
That’s exactly what everyone says about hillsong.
“attacking of a church that clearly is moving in tune to the Spirit of God”
And you know [clearly] this how?
“Black and white bottle caps? Who flipping cares?..”
I do…you missed the point completely. To put so much effort and hillsong attendee’s money into a minutely stage managed and fabricated ‘atmosphere’ reveals it simply as a business, run as a business, and fabricated ‘experiences’.
Or as you yourself say : ” a church that is really quite good at creating a relevant atmosphere”.
I believe the Holy Bible is relevant..media hungry celebrities may choose otherwise..
You have no proof but your own negative hateful assumptions of people you don’t know. And if you’re getting so caught up the colour of bottle caps and what you “think” they represent then I feel for you…I really do…you’re wasting your time. Hillsong inspires so many people in their walk with Christ, hillsong isn’t trying to be the God, they are pointing people to Jesus, so many people, with so many different means of doing that. God has blessed them with the resources to do just that. And yes I believe the Bible is relevant, it’s the very voice of our faith, but God gave us creative minds, and Hillsong is a great example of the use of that creativity. I honestly can say that I don’t care if people are going to live their lives so bent on a ministry just because it has a lot of money, money shouldn’t be the focus, whether you have a lot of it or not, Jesus is the Center. and Hillsong Church represents that well. Period.
How would you know if Hillsong is a cult or church Noah?Can you tell us how you can discern the difference?
The fruit of their church, they’re changing so many lives, so many lives have been restored for the glory of God through that church, it’s Jesus obviously, but He uses us, He’s using them. And plus I have faith in the work God is doing through them, instead of getting bitter about a mega church, I’m believing the best about them because we are called to love, and Jesus will align the rest (:
“[…] I have faith in the work God is doing through [hillsong]”.
There’s your problem right there: you are meant to have faith in God, and in God alone – not in any “work” that he is supposedly doing through a mob of ignorant loud-mouthed blowhards.
Anything that draws you away from that one true faith is a lie from the pit of hell; ergo, we can deduce on that basis that hillsong is indeed a cult.
Thank you for proving our point for us, Noah.
Many people’s lives have been positively changed/ become very moral via secular/ non-Christian methods as well. E.g. Amway, Mormons. Relying on that as “proof a church’s ministry is from God” is not a wise strategy.
If you have faith that God is working through them, then your faith is strong enough to compare what Hill$ong teaches with what the *bible* teaches…. isn’t it?
For those who call Christians exposing false teachers “haters”: http://www.submergingchurch.com/2012/07/24/discernment-detractors-calling-good-evil/
Bottletops….I CARE as the church should be the pillar and ground of truth..1Timothy3;15….not catchy trikets…..the beat of Babylon dominates this church…..and like all false they appear as 2Corinthians11;13-15…note word transfdorming themselves….but truth is visible not to all…Jesus said Let Him who hath ears to hear..HEAR…….in other words there will be those who have Ears to hear…but don’t…..
It doesn’t say “be ye relevant” it says “be ye seperate”. “Rather hot or cold than luke warm”. What’s created is a snare to entice young groups because telling them all that sinners will go to the fiery pits of hell if they don’t change their ways, accept Jesus and REPENT would ruin their little mosh pit itchy eared all accepting RELIGIOUS ideology. Well I’m sorry but money is the root of all evil, and there’s many more wolves in sheep’s clothing out there besides these.
noah,
(1)– “Last year it read ‘Glorious Ruins, Hillsong Conference 2013’.. it was just a God breathed theme”
actually.. Scripture is “God breathed”, but hillsong themes are not.
(2)– “Jesus is the Center. and Hillsong Church represents that well. PERIOD.”
houston invited joel osteen, joyce meyer, etc to speak at hillsong conferences.
John the Baptist: “Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (matt 3:2)
Jesus: “Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (matt 4:17)
Brian Houston: “You need more money.”
nfg
Well said NFG – it’s almost getting to the place like where Satan tempted Jesus with ‘all the kingdoms of the world’. If you will bow down and worship him through worldly desires and lusts for power money and fame, he will give you you own little ‘kingdom’…
“Success’ is to be like the world and beat them at their own game, and no true Christians would want worldly ‘success’ at the cost of their own souls.
“…but God gave us creative minds, and Hillsong is a great example of the use of that creativity. ..”
I’m wondering just how far this ‘God given creativity’ goes? Does it also extend to “creative accounting” Noah?
Jesus spoke lots about money – He certainly didn’t ignore the topic, neither did many other inspired writers of the scriptures – ‘if we are faithful in the little things (including finances) God will put us over much’ seems to be an underlying theme throughout parts of the Bible,
Try and get an honest and detailed balance sheet as a member of a mega church! Where is their accountability for people’s hard earned “tithing money” Noah? You’ve only got to look as far as their fabulous beach side mansions, and then roll up the roller doors and see the cars, motorbikes, then add to that their overseas “jet set’ travel for ‘ministry’ and the ‘love offerings’ that flow from those ‘ministry tours’and it all starts to add up.
MEGA CHURCH = MEGA $. It really is that simple Noah, it’s all about the money – that’s why “You Need More Money” (Houston’s now withdrawn book,) because Brian has everybody dancing around the golden calf, as he has acquired their wealth through false doctrines such as ‘tithing’ and also added to that the idea that ‘if you don’t tithe, you are robbing god and you will be cursed’!!! That is fear, not faith.
Please show us where Christ and the apostles taught that, in at least 2 or 3 places??? You can’t – because they didn’t – tithing is a FALSE doctrine Noah, and whole ‘kingdoms’ of men who claim God’s blessing have taught these falsehoods and many more besides them – that is what you are approving of when you support Houston and Hillsong.
False teaching, money raking schemes, opulent lifestyles for false prophets, derived from false profits… and worse still – a totally false, New Age ‘gospel’ that will save no one. It will fill the church building with sinners, but it cannot save them.
@noahpriebe ” And if you’re getting so caught up the colour of bottle caps and what you “think” they represent then I feel for you..”
Again, you just can’t see it when it is front of you. It shows Hillsong leave NOTHING to chance when creating an ‘atmosphere’ be it a concert, ‘church’ or a ‘conference’. Perhaps you should ask hillsong or their highly paid ‘communications consultants’ PR people WHY they would even bother to colour bottles? hillsong and their people paid for it after all.
Everything there is merchandised…even the Word.
You further go on to say: “God has blessed them with the resources to do just that..”
Satan has also provided money and ‘resources’ to wicked people…so just having money does not make you “God blessed”.
Hillsong also defy the Holy Word of God by parading/creating women pastors. So how are they ” spirit led” when they depart from the Holy Word preferring their own version of it?
Hillsong flirt with the carnal, worldly marketplace while Jesus Christ threw them out of the temple. Big difference wouldn’t you say?
Oh, and i did like the place names in front of them..just like really big celebrities.
the music of hillsong and the message of hillsong dont match up. yes i agree they should of put on their no other name advertisment.
theres no other name but the name of jesus, but they did not. they are dumbing down the gospel.
someone said to me many years ago, when i was part of hillsong london. that hillsong preach a very relaxed gospel.
i didnt ask him what he meant at the time, i should of asked him.
i was at a church last friday night and the preacher said the grace message being taught today allows christians to live as they like without being challenged about their sinful lifestyles.
because this is what these churches are preaching as long as you have grace you are alright.
the once saved always saved deception, the you cant lose your salvation deception.
Auztin
again more truth from revelation 22:18-19 not adding and taking way from the book of life.
Eugene Peterson has a lot to answer for, defiling many christians and churches with his message bible.
what filth that book is from the biggest charlatan ever.
Churchwatcher you said some very strong stuff to noahpriebe, such truth that he will have to make up his own mind, where he will stand.
mrhatch: two things, you say “because this is what these churches are preaching as long as you have grace you are alright.”
First of all “as long as you have grace” is called antinomianism, well explained here from http://carm.org/
“The word antinomianism comes from the Greek anti, against, and nomos, law. It is the unbiblical practice of living without regard to the righteousness of God, using God’s grace as a license to sin, and trusting grace to cleanse of sin. In other words, since grace is infinite and we are saved by grace, then we can sin all we want and still be saved. It is wrong because even though as Christians we are not under the Law (Rom. 6:14), we still fulfill the Law in the Law of love (Rom. 13:8, 10; Gal. 5:14; 6:2). We are to love God with all our heart, soul, strength, and mind, and our neighbor as ourselves (Luke 10:27) and, thereby avoid the offense of sin which cost God His only begotten Son. Paul speaks against the concept of antinomianism in Rom. 6:1-2: “Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?” We are not to use the grace of God as a means of sin. Instead, we are to be controlled by the love of God and in that way bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22-25).”
Secondly, “the once saved always saved deception, the you cant lose your salvation deception”? Check this out:
John 6:37:40 “All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
http://carm.org/what-is-eternal-security-of-the-believer
Finally I agree with you about Eugene Peterson re his corrupt version of the bible.
“Eugene Peterson has a lot to answer for, defiling many christians and churches with his message bible.”
Eugene Peterson (*EMERGENT) also contributed to this other tricky ‘bible’:
THE RENOVARE ‘BIBLE’…
~Andy
Churchwatcher
yes i agree with all that you said, many are falling far away from jesus. this is why paul washer was banned from being invited back to churches, because he said lordship salvation dosent work.
i dont agree with everything this man says but he did have a point. i also agree with Jacob Prasch when he said many churches are turning the gospel into a social gospel.
1 corinthians 15:33-34 1 corinthians 3:18 2 timothy 3:13 many are being decieved today.
Auztin
its interesting you mention money and music.
there is a very clear compromise with the world on many fronts. “Money, music and ministry” are just a few of them – morals could be added in too.
a worship leader called Vicky Beeching who i used to be inspired by, came out on august 14 and said she is a lesbian.
this is the last days.
yes music ministy is going down the very worldly route, success has blinded these worship leaders eyes.
worship leaders and prosperity teachers are very closly linked together.
“a worship leader called Vicky Beeching who i used to be inspired by, came out on august 14 and said she is a lesbian.”
I’ve been watching Vicky Beeching since late 2013 (before she “came out” as LGBT), when at that time she was arguing for “women bishops”…
Liberal worship-leader-turned-‘Christian’-commentator Vicky Beeching believes she is a mouthpiece for ‘the Church’ on all issues…
Notice @ 3:30 how now she is also a ‘theologian’…
~Andy
A theologian according to the world…. she contradicts Christianity and that is why the world loves her.
Luke 6:26 [Jesus said] Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
A pro-gay “Christian biblical theologian” is an oxymoron. She believes in her own feelings and values more than the bible. It doesn’t matter how sincere she is in those beliefs. She has now revealed publically her sexuality outranks the bible.
thinker is right……….Jesus warns us that the Church of Laodicea in Revelation is the church of people’s opinions.
How good is God that thousands of years ago He warns us about the dangers ahead ” IN ” the church.
God is good all the time !
i first knew about Vicky Beeching 14 years ago back in 2000, she was a songwriter and worship leader of the Vineyard Church global movement. she was also part of the Soul Survivor youth movement in the uk.
then she got her deal with EMI CMG in the states, and became a household name.
in 2010 after her last album she stepped down from being a worship leader, and in 20011 she got into the social media or should i say worldy media.
since then she lost her way, supporting women bishops and same sex marriages before coming out in august 2014 as a lesbian.
yes she does put her sexuality before the bible she says she so loves.
Gungor a Christian band also said a few weeks ago they didnt believe everything the bible says.
this is the last days.
This pisses me off.
Has any of you gone to Hillsong? Why are you so against this church? That’s my family, my happy place and the home of my father. I attend to Hillsong church EVERY Sunday, and they often mention that church is about “no other name”. They use “no other name” as a part of the church to create some sort of interest and to catch unreligious people’s attention. I didn’t know what “no other name” stood for before I got the answer in church. Ask anyone who attends Hillsong and they will respond that “no other name”=JESUS! Seriously this is sooooo lame. Why would anyone try to destroy this way of spreading God’s word? I would never have known that God is all about LOVE if Hillsong didn’t teach me that. Hillsong created a knew thirst for God in me that I never in a million years would have had. So you can ask any “normal Christian” what they think “no other name” stands for, they will also respond – JESUS.
“Has any of you gone to Hillsong?”
Oh yes.
But going to Hillsong is not the standard by which we judge. We judge your “family” by God’s Word. So are you deliberately elevating Hillsong above God’s Word to shut up valid criticism Reem?
“Why are you so against this church?”
We are against Hillsong because they are a cult that refuses to repent of its blasphemies, lack of accountability, heresies, deceitful marketing gimmicks, false worship, sins and the false teachers and prophets that they invite to Australia’s churches.
“Why would anyone try to destroy this way of spreading God’s word?”
If Hillsong did not exist God’s Word would be spread faster and the churches of Australia would actually be more fruitful, mature and less compromised.
“Ask anyone who attends Hillsong and they will respond that “no other name”=JESUS! Seriously this is sooooo lame.”
Did you read our article? We wrote, “Every Christian should say ‘Jesus’ as their answer.”
Your church on the other hand robbed Christ Himself by taking that scripture and perverting it to give the association and impression that Brian Houston and Hillsong are ‘No Other Name’. This is very inappropriate marketing.
Re-read the article if you did not get what Hillsong were doing.
–REEM: “Hillsong created a knew thirst for God in me that I never in a million years would have had.”
–ANSWER: Incorrect! You’re attributing the work of God, to this big false teacher named “Hillsong.” According to the Bible, churches do not do that, God does that. See Romans 2:4. God is a jealous God. See Exodus 20:5 and Exodus 34:14. He won’t share His glory with Hillsong. Don’t give Hillsong credit for what God has done.
–REEM: “I would never have known that God is all about LOVE if Hillsong didn’t teach me that.”
–ANSWER: Hillsong didn’t write the Bible. They wrote no part of the Bible. You would never have known that God is all about LOVE, if *the Bible* didn’t teach about God. In fact, according to 1 JOHN 4:8, it does not say “God is all about LOVE”, it says “God *IS* love”, so Hillsong taught you wrong.
–REEM: “Why would anyone try to destroy this way of spreading God’s word?”
–ANSWER: Hillsong does not spread God’s Word, Hillsong spreads false teachers and false teachings. If Hillsong did not exist, the public would not be exposed by Hillsong to false teachers and false teachings.
Hillsong is not really a church. It is Brian Houston’s business venture. Once that sinks in, you will want to leave Hillsong.
“I attend to [sic] Hillsong church EVERY Sunday […]”
So you are telling us that you have a religious spirit and are consequently bound up with “good works”. What a surprise. Have you read your Bible, by any chance? Do you know how much your supposed “good works” are really worth in the sight of God?
I bet you tithe religiously as well, don’t you? Tell us, is that doing the trick and keeping you from being cursed? Does Brian Houston really need more of your money?
Contrary to what HS says and HS’ers think, HS is not doing ‘the work of God.’