This article is an expose on Brian Houston’s deliberately misleading public statement on his stance with same sex issues.
You can read Brian Houston’s statement here.
A transcript and statement on Brian Houston’s recent press conference
REVIEW OF HOUSTON’S STATEMENT
“I encourage people not to assume a media headline accurately represents what I said at a recent press conference.”
You can hear the bells of ‘Chrislam’ jangling somewhere in the background, can’t you? It is an all too familiar pattern nowadays, isn’t it? To hear the media report one thing, and then for Brian Houston to come along afterwards and say: “I didn’t say that”.
Houston’s statement from Hillsong website, as presented for comment here:
“Nowhere in my answer did I diminish biblical truth or suggest that I or Hillsong Church supported gay marriage. “
Now Brian, that’s not exactly true, is it? You offered your opinion – not a Christian response. Not a biblical response. You did diminish biblical truth.
I mean, “nowhere have I taken a solid stand against ‘gay marriage’ or homosexuality…” would be a much more accurate statement, wouldn’t it? In fact when it comes to the issue of homosexuality, you actually met and ‘did coffee’ with Ben Gresham, one of the recognised leaders of the ‘gay community’ in Sydney, didn’t you Brian?
According to Gresham’s own website, the following points were mentioned by Houston:
* Brian stated clearly that Hillsong church (and himself) no longer support ex-gay ministries
* Brian acknowledged the involvement of Hillsong church in ex-gay ministries in the past such as Exit Ministries, Living Waters and Exodus. Brian mentioned that he was never truly convinced of the idea of ex-gay ministries, although his father Frank Houston supported them.
* Brian does not want an ex-gay message preached from the pulpit of Hillsong.
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Clearly, it would be an embarrassment for Hillsong, if the testimonies of those who had succeeded in giving up their gay lifestyles, were to impinge on those who had failed to do so, or worse still, had failed to even try. That would also imply that “being gay” was all about choice. In other words, if you could choose to give up ‘being gay’, then all of those who did not give it up would be tarred and feathered as being decidedly gay. They weren’t ‘born that way’ after all. So much for psychology and so much for any pretence on the part of Hillsong, who appear to simply allow gay people to sit there in their sins, with no call for repentance and no signs of a changed life either.
Was that why Houston met with Gresham – to reassure him that ‘all is well’ for ‘gay Christians’? It would seem so.
Furthermore, if Brian Houston wasn’t diminishing biblical truth, why was he adamantly pushing his mythology on the church needing to be “relevant”? Where in the bible does it teach the church needs to be relevant to be effective in people’s lives? If anything, Brian Houston was more concerned of the church failing to be relevant rather than the church failing to be faithful in preaching the gospel and God’s Word. No matter what way you look at it, that’s just pathetic.
Now let’s see what Houston further said in his online statement:
“I challenge people to read what I actually said, rather than what was reported that I said. My personal view on the subject of homosexuality would line up with most traditionally held Christian views. I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject.”
Oh dear Brian, I’m afraid that your words on the Hillsong site, don’t quite match what you said to Ben Gresham all those months ago, now do they? Nor do your words line up to your sermon ‘Scandal of Grace’. (So which Brian do you want us to believe?)
Also notice how Brian is appealing to his audience that he now holds a view of homosexuality “with most traditionally held Christian views”. He’s lying again. Since when has Brian Houston not opposed traditional Christianity and it’s values?
“I was asked a question on how the church can stay relevant in the context of gay marriage being legal in the two states of the USA where we have campuses. My answer was simply an admission of reality – no more and no less. I explained that this struggle for relevance was vexing as we did not want to become ostracized by a world that needs Christ.”
Well now Brian, here is the perfect opportunity to preach the reality of the Gospel from Romans chapters one and two, as those lengthy passages of Bible truth are more than adequate in exposing all manner of sins – sexual, idolatrous, rebellious:
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.” Romans 1:18-23
It is clear from the pages of holy writ, that when mankind decided to abandon the one true God of the Bible, God also abandoned man, to an extent. They buried their knowledge and experience of God (post flood) and so God gave them over to building the Tower of Babel, and in so doing, making idols of themselves, which they then called “other Gods”. They began to practice all manner of vile practices – immorality of every kind, human sacrifice, and witchcraft. They literally ‘changed the truth of God into a lie” (verse 25) and in so doing, sealed their fate as to their ultimate downfall come judgment day.
I’m just wondering, if something similar has happened in this post-modernist ‘church’ that we see before us these days? Has Brian Houston “exchanged the truth of God for a lie”? Has he wittingly or unwittingly, become an idolater before God and man? Does Hillsong’s particular brand of entertainment, during its meetings, resemble more that of a pagan temple, or more of a company of Godly people, who have forsaken this world and its evil distractions in surrendering their lives to Jesus, through the accurate preaching of the Gospel?
“I made the point that public statements condemning people will place a barrier between the church and the world (and I note that Jesus came to save and not to condemn), which is why at Hillsong, we don’t want to reduce the real issues in people’s lives to a sound bite.””
That ‘barrier between the church and the world’ needs to be there Brian – it’s called “separation” and is the very meaning of the word “holy” – separated from the world unto God, for His service, His pleasure and to His satisfaction. And guess who put that barrier there Brian? God did. And he established that barrier through His Word. Now you are using Jesus as an excuse to attack the very thing Jesus himself established.
If you don’t teach separation/holiness, then you end up with a tangled mess wherein some of your congregants may well be saved, but many may not be. How can you tell? Those who have separated (holy) lives will be obvious even to the casual observer, but then again, those same people may not be welcome any more, inside the worldly kingdom of Hillsong.
Yes, indeed Brian, Jesus came to save, but only those who will repent, and how can they repent of their devious ways if no one preaches a true Gospel message to them? One which demands that they recognise themselves as lost sinners, before a Holy God, and that they are without excuse? (Verse 20)
“This – like many other issues, is a conversation the church needs to have and we are all on a journey as we grapple with the question of merging biblical truth with a changing world.”
Honestly Brian, there is no need to ‘have a conversation’ at all. What you are advocating clearly, is how best to compromise with the world for maximum effect.
What is really needed is the sound expository preaching of the glorious Gospel of our Lord and Saviour – Jesus Christ. Try doing that one Sunday night and you might even surprise yourself with the results!
Of course, if Brian was to do so, he would probably lose large chunks of his worldly congregation, and that wouldn’t look to good when the bottom line is examined at the end of the month, now, would it?
In closing, Dr. James R. White from Alpha and Omega Ministries weighs in on Brian’s ‘relevant’ stance;
“Brian Houston says, “He notes that the Western world is shifting its thinking on this issue, and churches are struggling to stay relevant.” Relevant to whom? The Church has an audience of One before whom “relevance” is to be judged. Our aim is to be pleasing to Him (2 Cor. 5:9), not to the “Western world.” In fact, a biblical worldview would lead brother Houston to recognize that the more pleasing we are to Christ, the more of a stench of death we will be in the nostrils of those who have been given over in judgment to their own lusts and rebellion. Relevant? Was Elijah relevant during the judgment of drought and famine? Was Jeremiah relevant as the armies of Nebuchadnezzar marched on Jerusalem? I guess it all depends on one’s perspective as to what “relevance” is all about.”
Source: James R. White, FaceBook, https://www.facebook.com/prosapologian/posts/855416661149854, 18/10/2014. (Accessed 21/10/2014.)
James White also observes,
“While exhorting grace as the medium of criticism, we need to realize that this situation is exposing the foundational problems that have actually existed in the mish-mash we call “evangelicalism” for a very, very long time.”
Source: James R. White, FaceBook, https://www.facebook.com/prosapologian/posts/855414134483440?comment_id=855417537816433&offset=50&total_comments=68, . (Accessed 22/10/2014.)
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/stage/the-real-pinocchio-sweetfaced-puppet-or-a-very-naughty-boy-20140410-36dz7.html
Here’s a short video on “Pastor Pinocchio” – perhaps the long nose part is also “relevant” to the issue?
Houston just gets more bizarre. The only thing they seem to be saying is: “We won’t make ANY decisions regarding the Holy Bible and it’s commandments..we need the tithes, Gay money tithes and Hillsong CERTAINLY won’t convict you…even if the Biblical Jesus Christ does. Make your choice people..hillsponge..er..hillsong or the Real Biblical Jesus Christ and His Word.
“Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour , wherewith shall it be salted ? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.” (matthew 5:13)
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Yes @NFG – I’m told by my online sources, that another global financial meltdown may be on the way – one which Australia may not survive, like it did the last one.
It will be interesting to just sit back and see what becomes of the “prosperity” doctrine if no one can afford to “tithe” and pay their household bills – then perhaps we may also see the sudden and irretrievable collapse of the Hillsong house of cards…
hey austin, alternative media has been talking about that global thing for a long time. a couple years ago i saw them relating it to the baltic dry index, etc. at that time they made it sound like what had happened in argentina was going global asap..
now i’ve concluded things are on a slow implode and it’ll happen when it happens and even ‘they’ dont know.. but i dont expect faith based on jumping up & down in a dark auditorium will help anyone very much.
as to what will become of these prosperity scammers? maybe the title of this article is a good indication.. the winds of prosperity doctrine may start blowing in a new direction. instead of bringing “money” into the storehouse, word-of-faithers may twist Scriptures in new ways, to get whatever different they lack at that time. and to keep their houses of cards standing (a little longer)..
nfg
@NFG – I think you may yet see some “salty crackers” being trampled by circumstances beyond their control anyway. Even if there was no future GFC melt down, smart people could show themselves to be even ‘smarter’ by simply refusing to “tithe” at all, and give their offering money to the widow and the orphan, like the Bible says in James 1:27:
“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”
I know that some people take this provision as being only for the saved, not the unsaved, but both Paul and Jesus taught us to ‘remember the poor’ without stipulating whether they were saved or not.
Imagine what kind of genuine revival could come from that one act alone. With single mums being dumped from their viable pensions onto the non viable dole when their child turns eight, through Centrelink downgrading their status, it will be almost impossible for many of them to survive, as there just aren’t the jobs there for them, and they still have to combat the rising cost of living (rent, food, utilities).
For the church to rise up and share some of their ‘prosperity’ with a lost and dying world could bring many sinners to Christ, as they witness the practical side of God’s love towards them…. but I can’t see Hillsong C3 or any other mega church structure doing anything about this, in terms of impacting the nation for the Gospel.
Folks this is not about a ‘social gospel’ either, where it is all just good works – it’s about following the Biblical command – it is not an optional extra – Paul and Jesus commanded it – let’s see Hillsong do it…
@austin,
“I know that some people take this provision as being only for the saved, not the unsaved, but both Paul and Jesus taught us to ‘remember the poor’ without stipulating whether they were saved or not.”
agreed. i too dont think they meant for us to specialize.
and james 1:27 mentions remembering the poor also.
and on stipulations, james said dont give special treatment to the wealthy.
yeah, i cant imagine hillsong or c3 doing anything much. i was really getting at the greedy scammers will be asking for supplies for themselves.. just like now they’re asking for money so they can live comfortably. they have gotten really good at keeping their money fountain gushing.
i dont relish the thought of a collapse though. not for anybody. but historians are clear the mechanism was put in place in 1910 for such an event..
nfg
@austin, sorry i just realized you mentioned james 1:27.
a new discovery:
thats what happens when you’re typing a post and you already forgot the one you just read.. you repeat the one you’re responding to..
nfg
For those of you who love ‘old style’ hymns – just a thought:
“Here is a song written for Mark Driscoll. all together now my fellow bloggers,
“Blessed subtraction this church is mine!
You’d better get yourself back into line!
Don’t disagree here, don’t make a fuss,
Or I will throw you under the bus!
Chorus:This is my vision, this is my creed,
Slaughtering sheep who have disagreed
This is my mission, this is my creed,
Making up dogma, indulging my greed.
Blessed subtraction, empty your brain
What’s in your wallets, Driscoll shall gain
Bible discussions will soon be in vain
As Driscoll hits metal – and runs over saints
Grease in his hair, it stands in a point.
Dressed like a biker in a beer joint.
He cusses and gestures, his sermons can linger.
If you don’t like him, he’ll give you the finger.
Driscoll’s receiving, visions from God;
Don’t you start hating, on your dumb blog;
Blessed subtraction, bodies are stacked,
Biblical preaching’s a thing of the past.
Blessed subtraction, all is at rest
According to Driscoll, he is the best
Watching the big screen, that’s in his head
Who needs the bible, by vision we’re led
Chorus:This is my vision, this is my creed,
Slaughtering sheep who have disagreed
This is my mission, this is my creed,
Making up dogma, indulging my greed.”
From the MPBC blog site:
http://exposingerror.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/questions-to-the-church-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-359
CW, if you think this is inappropriate to post here, feel free to move it somewhere else…
lets face the facts here
brian houston is a man of influence, and the church and the world want to know where he stands on issues such as homosexuality.
brian houston is trying to tell people want they want to hear. because he dosent want to offend anyone he dosent want to lose people.
brian houston dosent want his ministry to be affected by him speaking out and taking a stand on what the bible says about gay people.
brian houston is so dependent on peoples giving, serving and their hospitality. and having his churches packed out week in week out.
if he says the wrong things many people will leave his churches. they say about mega churches that many people come in throught the front door and many people leave through the back door.
has anyone heard of that saying? i have seen this happen with my own eyes, when i used to be a member at hillsong london.
brian houston has people running all around the world for him i havent seen anything like it in my life.
question why arent other pastor asked on their stance on gay issues? answer because none of them are as influential as brian houston and his hillsong empire.
leviticus 18:22 leviticus 20:13 romans 1:27 1 corinthians 6:9-10 1 timothy 1:10 are very clear what the bible says about same sex couples and same sex marriages.
Does anyone else find it ironic that articles written by a Hillsong “critic” consistently references and quotes bible verses more than Brian Houston does in his ramblings? In fact the lack of bible quotes to justify or support the things he says is quite astounding. It’s almost as if the church is all about him…
Icarus
the church isnt about me, but we must back up what we say with the word of god.
what use is views and opinions without the bible to back it up.
otherwise whats the point in being a christian if its not about what the bible says.
what do you think people are asking brian houston where he stand on what the bible says about gay issues.
its not about me its about jesus. you sound very confused about what you are saying.
how can a church be about me? maybe there is some issues on your part.
please think about what you are saying before you have a pop at me or anyone else on this forum.
@hatch, i didnt think icarus was directing that at you, i took icarus’ comments the other way around..
“Does anyone else find it ironic that articles written by a Hillsong “critic” (HATCH OR CCW NOT MEANT IN A NEGATIVE WAY) consistently references and quotes bible verses more (A COMPLIMENT TO MRHATCH & CCW) than Brian Houston does in his ramblings? (MEANING IT’S BRIAN WHO QUOTES BIBLE VRSES LESS)
In fact the lack of bible quotes to justify or support the things he (BRIAN) says is quite astounding. (SINCE HE PASTORS A MEGA-CHURCH) It’s almost as if the church is all about him (MEANING BRIAN)…”
because mrhatch you & CCW do quite often quote the Bible..
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no_false_gods said:
thank you
i have had many people say to me over the years that i must read the bible cover to cover.
i didnt know why, many people prayed for me to have a desire to study the word.
and i have ended up doing that. i dont know why because im more known for songwriting.
i didnt give any my songs to hillsong london because i saw how they treated all their worship leaders compared to the main guys in sydney.
i was asked to do backing vocals, yet i refused.
they wouldnt release a guy in his songwriting gift, he is still there. i left because all the hillsong churches songs replicated from the main church in sydney.
Being a worship leader in these churches is incredibly hard. It has come to our knowledge that not only do they give up countless hours throughout the week to rehearse, they must also tithe under compulsion and pay for additional things leading up to their events.
They are treated poorly. Yet some of the politics behind the scenes are flat out nasty. Especially what we’ve seen in the C3 Church movement.
@mrhatch, you’re welcome. everybody knows from reading your posts you’re serious about the Bible and serious about not compromising your standards.
i’m trying to spend more time in the Bible now.. not only because i enjoy studying it, but also because the attacks on our faith are getting way too frequent..
nfg
In the leadup to the ACL Conference various lefties were telling Bill Shorten that he shouldn’t be attending an event put on by a sexist and right wing organisation. Well …
” Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has delivered a speech to the Australian Christian Lobby, telling them he is a Christian who believes in marriage equality.
“I believe in God and I believe in marriage equality,” he told the ACL national conference in Canberra. “I’m a Christian and a supporter of marriage equality under the law.” ”
http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-tells-christian-lobby-he-supports-samesex-marriage-20141025-11bool.html
What a terrible man …