The Huffington Post reports,
Hillsong Church Pastors Won’t Speak Out On Gays Because Jesus Didn’t Either (UPDATED)
UPDDATE: Hillsong pastor Brian Houston has issued an update to his original statement. You can find that information here.
Hillsong Church’s New York location reportedly draws “a lot of gay men and women” among the thousands who flock there every weekend, according to head pastor Carl Lentz.
“Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent,” Lentz told CNN in a June interview (above). “And I’m still waiting for someone to show me the quote where Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people. You won’t find it because he never did.”
Lentz’s wife, Laura, added: “It’s not our place to tell anyone how they should live. That’s their journey.”
Lentz’s sentiments appear to be indicative of an overarching stance on gay issues set forth by Hillsong head pastor Brian Houston. At a press conference for the Hillsong Conference held in New York City Thursday, New York Times’ Michael Paulson asked Houston directly about his stance on same-sex marriage. In an unofficial transcriptprovided by Jonathan Merritt, Houston responded:
It can be challenging for churches to stay relevant. Because many mainstream churches upheld what they would believe is the long established view of what the Bible says about homosexuality. But the world has changed around and about them. On the subject, I always feel like there’s three things. There’s the world we live in, there’s the weight we live with, and there’s the word we live by. The world, the weight, and the word.
Blogger Ben Gresham, who identifies as a “25-year-old gay Christian” from Sydney, Australia, grew up attending Hillsong Church and often uses his website to write about the church’s stance on gay issues. In an August 2013 post Gresham wrote about a message Houston recorded at Hillsong London and broadcast to all the church campuses entitled “Scandal of Grace,” which touched on the topic and echoed the pastor’s comments on Thursday. The blogger transcribed a portion of the message, in which Houston said:
The one elephant in the room for churches around the world at the moment is the gay situation. What would Jesus do? What would Jesus do?
There’s lots of hatred out there but in the middle of it all you know there are three things: the world of the times we live in; the weight we live with; and the word we live by.
Houston added that “the world has changed quickly” and said “the weight we live with” includes “the weight when a young person growing up in a church feels like they are confused in their sexuality.” This disconnect, the pastor said, can lead to hate, rejection and, in worst cases, suicide.
There’s the world we live in. There’s the weight we live with, and there’s the word we live by. And they don’t all necessary align. With the word we live by, many people have various convictions. In the middle of it all know that Jesus when it comes to people would let nothing stop Him from breaking through a divide to help hurting, broken, everyday normal people like you and I.
In March 2014 Pastor Danny Cortez of New Heart Community Church, a small Southern Baptist congregation in Southern California, delivered a sermon explaining that he no longer believed homosexuality to be a sin. His church struggled with the decision of whether to dismiss him and ultimately decided not to but instead become a “Third Way church” — based on Vineyard Church pastor Ken Wilson’s book, “A Letter to my Congregation” which puts forth the notion that churches could agree to disagree on the subject and refrain from judgement.
But as the Southern Baptist Convention’s annual meeting approached in June, Albert Mohler Jr., president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, published an article denouncing the “third way”:
There is no third way. A church will either believe and teach that same-sex behaviors and relationships are sinful, or it will affirm them. Eventually, every congregation in America will make a public declaration of its position on this issue. It is just a matter of time (and for most churches, not much time) before every congregation in the nation faces this test.
When faced with “this test,” though, Religion News Service blogger Jonathan Merritt says that Hillsong’s Lentz and Houston appear to adopt a similar “third way” by keeping definitive opinions to themselves and instead noting the complexity of the issue and the need for compassion. In the press conference Thursday, Houston said:
“The real issues in people’s lives are too important for us to just reduce it down to a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer in a media outlet.”
Source: By Antonia Blumberg, Hillsong Church Pastors Won’t Speak Out On Gays Because Jesus Didn’t Either (UPDATED), The Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/17/hillsong-church-gays_n_6002762.html, Published 10/17/2014 2:48 pm EDT, Updated: 10/20/2014 4:59 pm EDT. (Accessed 24/10/2014.)
So, Carl lentz is “waiting for someone to show me the quote where Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people. You won’t find it because he never did.”
Carl, do YOU think that Jesus Christ had DIFFERENT views than His Father Almighty God? Is this some kind of nutty thinking that other writers of the Bible were NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit? Sailing very close to blasphemy Carl.
And his wife Laura, added: “It’s not our place to tell anyone how they should live. That’s their journey.”
Imagine if Jesus Christ and His Apostles decided that everyone can live their own way in sin and not warn them, to save them!
Is there something lacking in God’s Holy and PERFECT Word? No.
The hillsong corporation people are expecting you to value their ‘words’ above the Holy Bible.
The foundation has been laid by Jesus Christ..it CANNOT be laid all over again by these people.
Luke 9:23–26 “For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father’s, and of the holy angels.”
“Every word of God is pure:
He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him.
Add thou not unto His words,
lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
(Proverbs 30:5-6)
In Introduction to 23rd Nov. episode Dr James White (of aomin dot org) mentions Hillsong and perils of being a mega-church. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg0zmtUaf_k
People also can watch today’s episode (27/11 on Aomin website) when it becomes available via YouTube. Approx. 18th min White starts addressing Lentz’s failure “to preach the whole counsel of God”. He analyzes Lentz’s Huffington Post interview.
We were listening to this as you posted. Thank you thinker.
Also found a relevant sermon. The preacher’s message is as clear as day. What a contrast to Hill$ong’s – their position on homosexuality is (still) as clear as mud.
Starts approx. 23rd minute. http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1023142358380
” Women can serve any role in the church. Openly gay couples are welcome, but Hillsong does not support same sex marriage.
“I think the bible is clear,” Houston said. “Ultimately we depend on the word of God which is the scripture and that’s the stand we take.”
He insisted he’s not “against anything” rather that it’s just a matter of what’s written in the Bible. ”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-city-hillsong-megachurch-draws-thousands-every-sunday/
What? They let women preach at church?? That’s as bad as the Anglicans and these rebel Catholic women priests in Europe. http://telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11207449/Meet-the-female-priest-defying-Catholicism-for-her-faith.html Heretics!!!
Houston is still clear – no same sex marriage. No doubt you will twist it to make out he means the total opposite.
“No doubt you will twist it to make out he means the total opposite.”
We think Brian Houston managed to do that quite well all by himself.
As I said before Churchwatcher – why doesn’t Brian Houston simply post an unambiguous statement on the Hillsong website, simply declaring ‘God’s word’ – that homosexuality is a sin, plain and simple.
The issue of gay marriage doesn’t come into it, once such a stance is taken. Houston’s ambiguous language and obfuscation smacks of compromise…
We’re still waiting Brian… you can run, but you can’t hide on this issue…
“why doesn’t Brian Houston simply post an unambiguous statement on the Hillsong website, simply declaring ‘God’s word’ – that homosexuality is a sin, plain and simple.”
too much $$$ at stake. thus honesty is not an option.
nfg
Anthony Mundine, who converted from Christianity to Islam in 1999, interviewed on Sunrise this weekend.
“100 per cent. I told you, I speak the truth … I got nothing against homosexuality, if you’re gay, be gay. That’s your choice, that’s your right in this day and age. But don’t exploit it on prime time when there’s kids watching. And having sons come towards you and going ‘dad is that all right, for a man to kiss a man? … With my belief and my culture, no it’s not. And in Aboriginal law, that’s forbidden. … No. Aboriginal law, it’s an old culture. It’s been here 40 thousand years, maybe longer. And it’s never been allowed. There is no changing this, changing that.”
http://mobile.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/anthony-mundine-stands-by-his-homosexuality-comments-its-not-all-right/story-fnpilxz1-1227117263019
So this website would support Mundine’s Islamic and what he claims to be Aboriginal beliefs, rather than, what Jesus taught, acceptance and forgiveness?
Let’s hope “dumb” is not contagious because that’s got to be one of the “dumbest” comments you’ve ever made, Newtaste.
There are other religions and individuals who do not support homosexuality- so what? It’s time to stop your distraction tactics worthy of the character Vicky Pollard from Little Britain. (“Yeah but, no but….”) YouTube has many of those sketches.
Read John 8:1-11. Does Jesus teach tolerance and acceptance of sin towards the woman caught in adultery?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A1-11&version=KJV
Answer: see verse 11. Is Jesus’ response giving us permission to tolerate sin, minimise sin, excuse sin, avoid mentioning sin like Hillsong does to please the *world*? Of course not. He says “go and sin no more” to that forgiven woman AFTER “neither do I condemn thee”.