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Chris Rosebrough has decided to review a bit of a speech from Hillsong’s Christine Caine. He also has decided to weigh in on the Hillsong child sex abuse scandal and Hilsong’s stance on homosexuality.
OCTOBER 23, 2014
Are Your Frogs Holding You Back?
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• William Tapley Weighs In on Bishops Synod
• Christine Caine & the Worst Inspirational Sermon Ever
• Hillsong Update RE: Child Abuse Scandal & Refusal to Take a Stand of Homosexuality
• Sermon Review: Against All Odds by Troy Gramling
Source: Chris Rosebrough, Are Your Frogs Holding You Back?, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2014/10/are-your-frogs-holding-you-back.html, Published 23/10/2014. (Accessed 24/10/2014.)
What are your thoughts on Chris Rosebrough’s critique on Christine Caine’s speech; his thoughts on the Hillsong child abuse scandal; and how he dealt with Brian Houston’s stance on homosexuality?
Christine Caine’s sermon excerpt. It was a typical Christine Caine over excited ramble. What was Rosebrough expecting!
Hillsong child abuse scandal. Rosebrough just read out someone else’s post, and then doesn’t bother to state that Brian Houston admitted he was wrong. Very convenient of Rosebrough to overlook that, as an admission of guilt would soften Rosebrough’s viper tongue, and he wouldn’t let that happen.
Brian Houston’s stance on homosexuality. Rosebrough reads out the story about the news conference in New York but then fails to readout Brian’s press release of a day or two later. He didn’t tell the full story, just told half of it.
Terrible work by Rosebrough on both issues. He should have just played more of the Christine Caine sermon.
Great reporting by Boz Tchividjian, who by the way is a former child abuse prosecutor, and great biblical response by Chris Rosebrough. You need to clean the wax out of your ears Newtaste, you seem to have a problem hearing the truth.
Houston’s response to the gay issue was no more clarifying than his original statement.
Just to repeat Dr. James White’s observation : “He (Brian Houston) notes that the Western world is shifting its thinking on this issue, and churches are struggling to stay relevant.” Relevant to whom? The Church has an audience of One before whom “relevance” is to be judged. Our aim is to be pleasing to Him (2 Cor. 5:9), not to the “Western world.” In fact, a biblical worldview would lead brother Houston to recognize that the more pleasing we are to Christ, the more of a stench of death we will be in the nostrils of those who have been given over in judgment to their own lusts and rebellion. Relevant? Was Elijah relevant during the judgment of drought and famine? Was Jeremiah relevant as the armies of Nebuchadnezzar marched on Jerusalem? I guess it all depends on one’s perspective as to what “relevance” is all about.”
And as usual we get more gospel in the biblical critiques on Fighting For The Faith, than you will ever hear at a Hillsong service.
Newtaste how r u ?
If Brian knew about the criminal acts of his father decades ago, did he not lie on oath at the Royal Commission ?
He said on oath , that he only knew about any criminality in the late 1990’s.
If he knew about it as did many other Pastors , then he has covered up a criminal action.
Newtaste continues to defend Brian Houston and Hillsong but whenever given the opportunity, will attack Brian’s great mate Phil Pringle. Thinking about this, I’ve come to the conclusion that Newtaste actually ‘hates’ Brian Houston as much as he does Phil Pringle. Anyone who overlooks and excuses the constant abuse of scripture we hear by Houston et al at any Hillsong event (they’re all ‘events’, even the services) does not love his brother in Christ (if they really are).
Are we being loving if we allow our brothers and sisters in Christ (if they really are – starting to wonder about that), remain in error and even deceive others, something we see all the time at a Hillsong ‘event’? Of course not. If Newtaste really cared, the word of God requires him to correct them when they fall into error. “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24).
So Newtaste – do you love your ‘brother’ Brian Houston enough, or in showing your ongoing support, do you really ‘hate’ him?
So are things actually changing at Hillsong regarding homosexuality?
Hillsong in Sydney continues to offer the Careforce Lifekeys courses Valiant Man and Search for Intimacy. Both courses include content that states that homosexuality is against what is in the Bible and that such practices are a sin. http://hillsong.com/college/evening-college-life-courses If/when Brian Houston orders both courses to be removed from the Hillsong Evening College schedule or orders them to be modified then you’ll know he supports what you think he supports. But I can’t see that happening, because he doesn’t.
Well @Newtaste – all Brian has to do is come out with an unequivocal statement to that effect. He just has to say that homosexuality is a sin – and mean it…
isnt it interesting Christine Caine and her husband Nick Caine are lead pastors of their own church in Greece called Zoe Church.
they come under Celebration Church founder Stoval Weams leadership , yet they still work in partnership with Hillsong.
its a very sad day that filling up church seats and church income is more important than speaking out againgst sin. of this world
we all know that the bible says homosexuality is an abomination to the lord our god. but for brian houston to say that in public will affect his church ministry and lose so many faithful tithing members of his church.
so he wont take a stand against it in public.
jacob prasch from moriel ministries said recently that all these people who are being saved into these churches, what are they being saved into? saved into what?
The question raised in this thread is:
” What are your thoughts on Chris Rosebrough’s critique on Christine Caine’s speech; his thoughts on the Hillsong child abuse scandal; and how he dealt with Brian Houston’s stance on homosexuality?”
I have intimate knowledge on all three elements mentioned and having listened carefully to Chris Rosebrough’s critiques I find he is absolutely bang on the mark, even more so than he himself realises I am sure.
Christine Caine was let loose in NZ a number of years ago in order to practice her “art” before graduating to the world platform.
@Newtaste: If you have issues with Chris Rosebrough why not challenge him on those ISSUES. Don’t use “strawman” arguements etc but use the Bible, chapter and verse in context, and point out where his critiques fall short. If you can do this then we ALL learn and grow in the Lord. As it is you are attacking the man and not his argument and that really achieves nothing.
Hi Kiwi P , I have read your comments on alleged abuse by FH in NZ.
My understanding is that if many Pastors knew about in NZ there was a good chance BH knew about it too for many years.
Remembering BH swore on oath that he only came aware of things in the late 90’s.
He will state his sister heard some rumours which may be his way of saying ” I never knew anything ! ”
What has been the reaction in NZ to the Royal Commission ?
Are people rising up to disagree with him ?
Will it just go away ?
What could u see happening ?
@mrhatch spot on , one of our previous pastors used to say “yes it’s of great importance that you get saved from but for discipleschip its of utmost importance what you get saved into” . These churches in my opinion offer nothing, in fact I fear for the peoples salvation. Where then is the “Christ and Him crucified” and expository teaching ? , I certainly don’t hear it from BH and Caine (in fact most of the churches and people Rosebrough critique’s dont do it). What a shame, its’ a cricus ou there , no wonder more people are turning to atheism. Its really sad.
Your BFF Tanya Levin in 2008:
” The Bible is used to justify the supposed inferiority and intrinsic sinfulness of women and homosexuals. Hillsong teaches that a woman’s purpose, as an afterthought of God, is as a helper and a companion at best, and with Eve as their ultimate matriarch, the cause of the fall of all mankind.
The teaching when I was at Hillsong included the lesson that women are attached to their offspring eternally. All the miscarriages, terminations and stillbirths a woman has during her life time grow up in heaven, waiting for their mother to join them. ”
Yes, Hillsong’s involvement with Mercy Ministries was not a good idea, in hindsight. The ACCC finding was not at all good. But it’s hysterical reading Levin’s articles both old and new as she portrays herself as an absolute authority on Hillsong. Terrible writing and you wonder where she actually was half the time.
“Terrible writing and you wonder where she actually was half the time.”
Recovering from cult abuse. It’s hard to find your feet when you leave the Hillsong cult.
Ben Gresham has moved on from Hillsong. He is the worship pastor at a Church that is gay inclusive, and his partner is the pastor, Sam Grebert. You guys should check it out. I won’t be though. http://newcovenantsydney.com/about/our-team/
You seem to assume that we haven’t… Interesting.
“You guys should check it out…” Why would we Newtaste (or is that ‘Badtaste’) -here you go again, crapping all over the blog as usual, being ignorant and disrespectful of everyone and everything.
“Ben Gresham has moved on from Hillsong…” and yes, Brian Houston moved on from Bible truth a long time ago too – no wonder they like each other’s company…
Maybe you need to start up your own blog, or better still, go and join ‘pastor’ Steve Rowe’s – what a lovely couple you two would make…
In the meantime CW, can’t we just get on with the conversation without this ‘Badtaste’ in our mouths all the time??? I’d like to think that the blogs work better without him. S/He’s not really searching for truth but is only here to disrupt and deceive at every opportunity, so let’s be done with it…
He makes valid points every now and then. We do consider some of his comments – even if they are hate-filled or vitriolic. He’s worth having just for those comments. We recently made a mistake which we are hoping to fix by the morning in regards to article issues.
Other than that – he is often a bad taste.
We must listen to every critic – even if they irritate us. They help us stay accountable, even if you don’t like them.
Actually CW – I am thinking of the potential damage that can be done by giving Badtaste a regular platform – that is my concern – not anything personal.
No matter how many facts and figures s/he may deliver from the “inner sanctum” it is not worth the risk of stumbling any newbies or babes who may be looking on.
BTW, I don’t have a problem with occasional humour (funny videos, jokes etc) as it serves as a tension breaker, and considering the material that is discussed here from time to time, that may be needful.
The problem, is that Badtaste doesn’t use humour, hardly ever quotes/misquotes scripture and often fails to respond to many questions asked of him/her. A poster on any other blog wouldn’t last a week using those tactics, but here Badtaste seems to have “Cart Blanche” most of the time…
Please consider the younger ones and their perception of how this blog is run…?
Austin – another Churchwatcher here. I have issues with Newtaste too. For me it’s his hypocrisy in defending Houston/Hillsong while attacking Pringle/C3, go figure. Some of his comments stay in moderation, because he doesn’t “behave” himself. He quickly changes the subject when he steps over the line, that’s fairly obvious. If he wishes to continue commenting here, his comments will go into moderation if he “strays off course”.
In regards to his ongoing attack on Tanya Levin, we all know she’s an atheist. If Newtaste is the Christian he claims to be, and if like most of us here, are heartbroken about her atheism, why not channel that “angst'” into prayer for her salvation Newtaste?
Oh dear! Looks like Badtaste has stumbled into the ‘Churchwatcher’ hall of mirrors again – better quit while i’m ahead…
As for my concerns, they are genuine – just ask yourselves (moderators) would you allow a known false prophet to have a regular platform here? Probably not…
I’m also wondering if Badtaste takes some of his ques from “you know who”!
Please don’t think me rude for asking/telling – if it’s a matter of keeping each other accountable, then perhaps we all have a role to play in that regard from time to time… 🙂
All his comments will be moderated for content from now on. If some slip through, they won’t last long if inappropriate or off-topic.
And I’ve just moderated an extremely offensive comment, one he should be ashamed of.
“Four people all pretending they are the one person then…”
I’m not sure what you’ve been imbibing Badtaste, but I’ve known for quite some time that there were at least three ‘churchwatcher’ moderators…
…and may God have mercy on your soul “Badtaste”, for openly supporting Hillsong and all of its wicked, sinful, worldly and ungodly deceptions…
May you be rewarded according to your works…
Amen to that Austin.
As for ‘newtaste’ ..a little reminder.
Bread obtained by falsehood is sweet to a man,But afterward his mouth will be filled with gravel.
“Four people all pretending they are the one person then…”
So Newtaste, you have issues with four people fulfilling a single role, but no problems with Brian Houston being perpetually two-faced?
Who’s the hypocrite now?
There’s more than four.
Amused – Newtaste has so many comments archived on C3Churchwatch where he constantly attacked Phil Pringle. He’s yet to respond to the often asked question: “Why all the support for Brian Houston, when he’s best mates with Pringle?”
i was in Hillsong London for 10 years between 2003-2013 i heard Christine Caine preach many times.
she always preached about how she was this greek girl who had been used abused and raped and left in a basket in the middle of nowhere.
she always said if god could do it for her, he could do it for anyone.
she always preached about, her going all around the world trying to fix churches that were broken.
trying to speak sense into them.
i heard this so many times in Hillsong London, now i have left im beggining to wonder if any of it was true or false.
has anyone heard Christine Caine preaching this?
the bible does make it very clear about women not having any authority over men. yet they are oppointing so many female bishops is it any wonder the church is so weak and it dosent have no strength.
1 timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 corinthians 14:34-35
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
@Mrhatch: “….. has anyone heard Christine Caine preaching this?”
Multiple times here in NZ in the early days at least twice a year for a number of years.
Same screeched out message of her Greek upbringing etc, all fully supported by Paul de Jong and his lot.
The weirdest sight is to see young Mums bringing their little babies into “church” with ear muffs on !!!
1. Because the “praise” band was well over safe listening levels
2. So ears were not damaged when Christine Caine took the stage !!