While families and workers grieved over their deceased in the siege in Sydney’s Martin Place, Hillsong’s Bobbie Houston promoted the latest and tasteless # fad.
Can you imagine pastors like Charles Spurgeon behaving this way? Leonard Ravenhill? David Wilkerson? Paul Washer?
Sadly Bobbie Houston reveals how shallow the “church” is in our culture with her rush to join the twitterati’s #IllRideWithYou campaign. Why is it so important for these leaders to ride the social trend of political correctness? Or was it the social media wave of attention given to the Martin Place siege that was the carrot?
The first article below from the Australian exposes the absurdity of the #IllRideWithYou fad that these self-appointed leaders were capitalising on. Not only was this fad tasteless, the person who started the #IllRideWithYou fad made up the incident (read second article below). It is worth visiting the second article and reading the comment section.
Wisdom is what was needed here. Is trying to be relevant gone too far?
The Australian reports,
Hashtag for an imaginary backlash
ONE of our greatest handicaps in overcoming the pernicious threat of Islamic extremism is the emergence of Islamist denialism — a stubborn refusal to confront the reality of our dilemma.
Even in the wake of this week’s death and trauma, there are deliberate attempts in public debate to ignore the jihadist flag, terrorist modus operandi, video demands on behalf of Islamic State and anti-West grievances.
The ABC managed to run an online profile piece entitled “Who was Man Haron Monis, the man behind the Sydney siege?” without including the words Muslim or Islam and mentioning terrorism only in a quote from Monis’s lawyer stressing the gunman had no links to organised groups.
On Twitter, ABC host Rebecca Huntley and former ABC host Monica Attard were eschewing the terrorist descriptor and focusing on mental health issues.
Others on television were looking for legal, domestic and mental health explanations — anything but jihad.
Yet it is precisely this sort of solo attack that has been foreshadowed by security agencies and has been exhorted by terrorist groups.
Former ASIO chief David Irvine warned about the risk of homegrown “lone wolf” attacks as far back as 2012.
“That is the issue that I think keeps both me and my international colleagues awake at night,” he said.
While 17 blameless citizens endured hours of unspeakable terror that the nation hoped — en masse and in vain — would be resolved safely, a misguided social media campaign highlighted our national incomprehension of Islamist terror.
It proclaimed solidarity with Muslims who might feel uneasy travelling on public transport, through a Twitter hashtag of #Iwillridewithyou. Nice thought. Except it was an empty response to an imaginary problem.
And in the real world, at that time, innocent lives were in the balance.
This was political correctness on steroids as people distanced themselves from a possible Islamophobic backlash to an act of Islamist violence still unfolding.
We understand the lurch for an empathetic embrace but it ignored and demeaned the harsh reality.
No doubt across the nation most people would have been preoccupied with the fate of the hostages. But while social media is self-selecting and introspective, it also plays strongly into mainstream media.
So we saw a grotesque turning away from the horrific plight of innocent people in real peril to focus on empathy for Muslims in our midst who faced no threat.
Some participants, such as ABC presenter Virginia Trioli, argue that #Iwillridewithyou was one “bright spot” on a dark day, demonstrating our shared humanity.
And what could be wrong with a little love on such a trying day?
Priorities might be a good place to start. The Martin Place siege was a callous and life-threatening episode, and focusing on possible future personal abuse on public transport seemed a trite miscalculation. There would be time enough to deal with consequences — afterwards.
And the suggestion that mainstream Australians would indulge in an Islamophobic backlash smacked of leftist self-loathing — with the awful implication that the heinous actions of a gunman were somehow linked to our bigotry.
Worse still, this melds into the narrative of Muslim victimhood. Islamist terrorists rely on such grievances; the woes of the Muslim world are blamed on the West and violence justified as a response to persecution (even when the ultimate aim is Islamic supremacy through a caliphate).
In this respect (and clearly not deliberately) a social media campaign aimed at harmony echoed the Muslim victimhood claims being made in Martin Place.
In a security and ideological struggle set to last many decades, such arguments matter.
When extremists target us because of our values, we ought to stand up for them rather than demean ourselves.
In this country, Muslims are not victims.
By and large, our fellow citizens are inclusive and tolerant.
And while, sadly, every society sees individuals and incidents of prejudice, few nations can match our plurality and harmony.
We saw this unfold in Melbourne yesterday when a Muslim woman was heckled on a train but, of course, was defended by her fellow Australians.
No hashtag required.
We should talk up our robust tolerance, not undermine it.
Our multicultural success should be one of our key strengths as we deal with extremism, not something to be attacked so we can display superior virtue.
We shouldn’t forget that our Muslim population of about 500,000 exists because immigrants strive to enjoy our freedom and tolerance.
Perversely, this same liberal pluralism offends the Islamist extremists and makes us their target.
So, if we are looking for a unity ticket, it is obvious.
The politically moderate Muslim community — the overwhelming majority — and Australia’s non-Muslim community have a shared enemy and are exposed to the same threat.
We need continued and intensified co-operation to combat Islamist extremism — this is our common project.
Prominent Lebanese community leader Jamal Rifi notes the absence of a Muslim victimisation this week: “There is nothing whatsoever, the community has felt no backlash.”
Importantly, as someone involved in community liaison with governments after 9/11 and the Bali bombings, Rifi says there has never been any backlash to speak of, just “isolated incidents”, as he puts it.
At Sydney’s Lakemba Mosque on Monday night, a rabbi addressed the crowd, reading from the Torah, as prayers were offered for the Martin Place hostages.
“This was unprecedented,” Rifi says.
“And the rabbi was listened to, he wasn’t heckled.”
At Martin Place, Australians of all races and creeds placed flowers yesterday.
This is the real Australia, and Islamist extremists are its enemy.
Some seem to think the terrorists will ignore us if we ignore them; but denying the problem will not make it go away.
Source: By Chris Kenny, Hashtag for an imaginary backlash, The Australian, http://m.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/hashtag-for-an-imaginary-backlash/story-fn8qlm5e-1227158594514?nk=b6b5b9093dda89c3c6e9413e7e1e11a0%3Fsv%3Dbb30706598bd5608c994cea32718a676, Published 17/12/2014, 12:00AM. (Accessed 19/12/2014.)
The ‘Poor Richard’s News’ writes,
Surprise! Woman who started viral “I’ll ride with you” story admits it was a complete fake
And here we go with yet another viral story that virtually every media outlet drooled over, and none of them cared to fact check it. As it turns out, that viral story about an Australian woman offering to ride the train with a Muslim woman who was self-conscious about wearing her hijab after the Sydney Siege never happened.
The story is a complete fantasy, so admits Rachael Jacobs, the woman who started the whole thing.
from Quartz:
Confession time. In my Facebook status, I editorialised. She wasn’t sitting next to me. She was a bit away, towards the other end of the carriage. Like most people she had been looking at her phone, then slowly started to unpin her scarf.
Tears sprang to my eyes and I was struck by feelings of anger, sadness and bitterness. It was in this mindset that I punched the first status update into my phone, hoping my friends would take a moment to think about the victims of the siege who were not in the cafe.
I spent the rest of the journey staring—rudely—at the back of her uncovered head. I wanted to talk to her, but had no idea what to say. Anything that came to mind seemed tokenistic and patronising. She might not even be Muslim or she could have just been warm! Besides, I was in the “quiet carriage” where even conversation is banned.
By sheer fluke, we got off at the same station, and some part of me decided saying something would be a good thing. Rather than quiz her about her choice of clothing, I thought if I simply offered to walk her to her destination, it might help.
It’s hard to describe the moment when humans, and complete strangers, have a conversation with no words. I wanted to tell her I was sorry for so many things—for overstepping the mark, for making assumptions about a complete stranger and for belonging to a culture where racism was part of her everyday experience.
But none of those words came out, and our near silent encounter was over in a moment.
My second status was written as a heartbreaking postscript to my first. While the woman appeared to appreciate my gesture, we had both left defeated and deflated. What good is one small action against an avalanche of ignorance?
read the rest
So, the woman’s head scarf may not have been a hijab, and she may not have been a Muslim, and she may not have been self-conscious about riding the train. All of that was pure bleeding-heart fantasy from a university professor who wanted some attention online.
And boy, did she get it!
I could keep going, but you get the picture. Virtually every news outlet in America covered the story and reported Rachael Jacobs’s story as if it were fact. None of them bothered to fact check the story. They swallowed a lie that fit a narrative they liked and then regurgitated it all over the world.
This is the state of “journalism” today.
#illLIEtoyou
UPDATE: Just for comparison’s sake, here’s her original story:
There was no “put it back on.” There was no crying. There was no hugging. This story simply did not happen.
Source: Surprise! Woman who started viral “I’ll ride with you” story admits it was a complete fake, Poor Richard’s News, http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/105612206913/surprise-woman-who-started-viral-ill-ride-with, Published 19/12/2014. (Accessed 22/12/2014.)
Hear the absurd logic of Rachael Jacobs:
“I’m also a teacher and lecturer and have a responsibility to represent my profession and institution. At a time of heightened emotions, a misplaced word or phrase could cause offence, requiring numerous explanations and reassurances.“
Jacobs states that “At a time of heightened emotions, a misplaced word or phrase could cause offence”. Nevertheless, to falsify an account to start a fad is apparently alright. (Is this the way a “teacher and lecturer” represents their “profession and institution” these days)
The “real story of inspiration”was false. That’s okay, Jacobs appears to think it is alright to mislead, “thousands to publicly and loudly stand up for a decent and humane world,” while lacking in any humane integrity to begin with.
Since when was dishonesty “humane”? The falsified account has captured people’s false ideology of producing a false utopia.
We’ve seen in history what happens when the church rides with popular culture and says nothing with this kind of dangerous thinking. We’ve seen in history what happens when the people are governed by emotion, lies and a mob mentality.
We have seen what happens when the culture is driven to obtain an idealistic utopia above all else. Our culture is changing and the undiscerning leaders of Hillsong are leading the churches of Australia into it’s depravity in the names of “relevance”. Oh- and Jesus too.
As well as not being able to resist a # – it seems she cannot resist quoting popular Hindu leaders! Maybe she just ran out of Jesus quotes?? Or maybe she wanted in on C3’s ‘shake it off’ message!
“… believe in hope. Have faith in faith”.
Correcting that for you “Pastor” Bobble Houston.
“…. Believe in God. Have faith in Jesus Christ.”
1 John 5:11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Only with faith in Christ will the fruit of the (Holy) Spirit will come and be demonstrated (like Bobbie Houston’s instagram recommends).
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
“I regard Jesus as a great teacher of humanity, but I do not regard him as the only begotten son of God. That epithet in its material interpretation is quite unacceptable. Metaphorically we are all sons of God, but for each of us there may be different sons of God in a special sense. Thus for me Chaitanya may be the only begotten son of God … God cannot be the exclusive Father and I cannot ascribe exclusive divinity to Jesus.”
Mahatma Gandhi
There are plenty of Muslim nations in the world that muslims can move to if they wish to live amongst fellow muslims, without feeling “threatened” by us callous crusader Christian westerners. But the truth is muslims are very well looked after in places like Australia. I remember speaking to a Lebanese man, he had eight children and received a fortune in welfare, enough to make regular trips back to Lebanon which incidentally he left to claim asylum here.
I’ve spent enough time in Europe to see that really the intolerant ones are the Muslims themselves. There are no-go areas for westerners all through Europe. The Sharia squads in London’s Whitechapel area are real. There are areas in places like Rotterdam, Brussels, Marseilles etc etc where I could not walk safely at night.
Anyway I’m glad Bobby will ride with them, but I guarantee that if the majority were reversed they would not ride with her. Islam demands minority rights all over the western world, yet there are very few minority rights in Islamic nations…
“By and large, our fellow citizens are inclusive and tolerant. … We should talk up our robust tolerance, not undermine it.”
There was a genuine feeling in some parts of the community that Muslims should not be blamed for the actions of a loner radical. But it was obvious by looking at the Facebook comments on news stories about the siege that some people have no tolerance, with vial comments being posted and with moderators trying to keep up.
Chris Kenny is claiming that Australia is tolerant. He plainly has never read this website. Church Watch is anything but tolerant. Funny that you picked out one point in Kenny’s opinion piece to sharpen your axe, but the rest of what Kenny has written is totally at odds with your whole website.
Thanks for posting this article. I was dumbfounded by how many people were fooled by the #illridewith you hashtag activists who cry racism at anyone who speaks a word against Islam. It’s incredibly ignorant and dangerous. No religion should be immune to criticism. I wonder if these people would so happily support Islam if it were their family members being stoned, raped or beheaded in the name of Allah. There are so many things wrong with this religion but we are constantly fed this nonsense that it’s the “religion of peace”. Just see http://thereligionofpeace.com to see how peaceful it is.
These days it’s hard to say anything negative about Islam without being called “racist”, yet people will openly blaspheme the name of Jesus. I wonder what would happen if people started using the name of Mohammad in such ways.
“These days it’s hard to say anything negative about Islam without being called “racist”, yet people will openly blaspheme the name of Jesus”.
Yes, the world is full of so many “comedians” and other clowns happy to insult Christianity but you won’t find these brave souls going anywhere near Islam. And I think we all know why that is, “religion of peace”? Just try drawing a funny cartoon of their prophet and see how peaceful they are.
You guys will lose in the end. How many of you are there? 5, 10? And most of you double up as C3 haters I mean watchers.
So, now as part of your hatred against Hillsong you attack the Pastors wife for quoting Ghandi on Instagram.
Put that on social media and most people will think YOU are insane.
Quoting Ghandi……?
Next you’ll be writing blogs about Billy Graham’s daughter quoting Charlie Brown!
You ever heard of lightening up, and getting some sunshine?
Q – seriously? 5-10? You have no idea the impact these sites are having on those finally waking up to the deception. Set your alarm, mate. Time to wake up.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
“….you attack the Pastors wife for quoting Ghandi on Instagram.”
A Christian pastor’s *wife*? Hillsong’s own website says PASTOR Bobbie Houston. If she wants to take on a man’s role in the church the same standards apply. She should not get a “pass conceded” on the report card because she is a woman. This is the 21st century. Sadly this incredibly unwise decision of hers gives yet more support to the unpopular verses explaining why women should not preach.
Charlie Brown was a fictional cartoon character. Gandhi was not. Why is an (alleged) Christian leader quoting a committed Hindu* instead of Christ, other highly esteemed Christian leaders and/or Christian writers? If she is a pastor she should be a representative of our Lord Jesus CHRIST (2 Corinthians 5:20a) and no-one else.
* 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
** “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
http://www.christianity.com/bible/apologetics/gandhi-doesnt-like-us-11668745.html
That Gandhi quote was in response to him being subjected to racism by white people in South Africa who were saying they were Christians; people so at odds with what Jesus professed that they actively discriminated against ‘blacks’ and ‘coloreds’, iirc. A bit of context to your quote would have been helpful.
You are right that the quote’s context is helpful. However it is a quote very well-known AND used frequently used by atheists online.
If you really want things kept in context here’s some light reading from a pro-Gandhi biographer. https://archive.org/stream/gandhihislifeand029039mbp#page/n347/mode/2up
p.s.website needs spelling/grammar correction option…
@Q,
“Put that on social media and most people will think YOU are insane.”
Acts 26:24: ‘At this point Festus interrupted Paul’s defence. “You are out of your mind, Paul!” he shouted. “Your great learning is driving you insane.”‘
So we can see that Festus thought Paul was being driven insane. Perhaps you would like to explain to us exactly where the Apostle Paul went wrong, that he was so judged by the unregenerate Festus.
“You guys will lose in the end. How many of you are there? 5, 10?”
How many men were with Gideon? And how was it that he started with so many, and finished with so few?
Do you know what the consequences were of King David numbering the fighting men of Israel?
I await your answers with great interest, but one thing I already know is that you haven’t apprehended some very important truths from the Bible (I bet you think that hillsong is a “successful church”, don’t you?).
“You will lose in the end” hmmm interesting. I was an ardent Hillsong follower for many years until my eyes were opened by the Holy Spirit. There are lots of us actually and as I talk to many people about the false doctrine at Hillsong and many other popular churches and ministries, many people are having their eyes opened to deception in the church. There are many people who read websites and f/book pages and dont like or comment. But as the gospel of matthew tells us “and many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.” Blessings and I pray for you and many many others that your eyes will be opened to the truth. I dont hate, but I do love TRUTH.
“There are many people who read websites and f/book pages and dont like or comment.”
i was thinking the same thing too. i have several Christian friends who know at least a slice of whats going on, do not like it, but dont have the time to comment.. nfg
“You guys will lose in the end. How many of you are there? 5, 10? And most of you double up as C3 haters I mean watchers.”
Multiply that by the 500 other websites and forums, many with far more posters than here, and you might just begin to get a feel for how many are noticing the problems.
But numbers won’t matter. In the end, God will win, with the truth.
Who cares what the worldly social media thinks? What % do you think of those on the social media are Christians? Christians are not to be conformed to this world, so frankly I couldn’t care less.
@Q
“Quoting Ghandi……?” Would you feel better if Bobbie quoted the Quran?
“Next you’ll be writing blogs about Billy Graham’s daughter quoting Charlie Brown!” Speaking of daughters, do you think it ok that Laura (Brian & Bobbie’s daughter & Youth Pastor at Hillsong) went to the Katy Perry ‘Prismatic’ Concert with her 4yr old daughter, where a lesbian themed song ‘I kissed a girl & I liked it’ was being sung??? Not to mention the occult symbolism throughout the entire concert! Sometimes actions can speak louder than any quotes!
Well, at least people know where their tithes are going!
Carl Lentz has “the Bieb”, Laura has KatyCats, Brian has Allah, Bobbi has Gandhi, and one-hit-wonder Phil Pringle has his Taylor Swift cover.
This is a very spiritual bunch indeed.
No wonder these people ‘hear from God’ so much…
Can’t wait to find out who joins their club next.
Guys, okay Bobbie is a Pastor. I don’t see anything wrong with a Pastor quoting someone who isn’t a Christian on an instagram post.
Truth is truth.
I’ve even went to a Buddhist doctor the other day.
Good on Carl Lentz for reaching out to Bieber.
As for Taylor Swift etc, hey, I sometimes listen to Elton John music. Gonna burn me at the stake?
(actually, shouldn’t give ideas to people who Idolize John Calvin! tee hee
@Thinker….so nobody can quote someone about anything if that person isn’t a Christian?
I think you can learn from just about anyone. I’ve even agreed with some guy on a radio show in America who fancies himself as a ….pirate….
Wow, think about that. Pirate? Now is that a good name?
hmmmm let’s look up the definition of pirate.
No, I think you need to write a blog about Christians who try to be hip and cool and worldy by calling associating their show with criminal activity.
Go get em boys!!! and….the one female who teaches everyone she meets but teaches against women being teachers ..and is really the leader of your pack! ….
OKay, I’ll leave. lol But you guys seriously … you go as far as looking at Bobbie Houston’s instagram posts?
What next? Critiquing her emojis on Facebook?
I’d believe if you said you went through her garbage too, and accused her of not eating her crusts!
“@Thinker….so nobody can quote someone about anything if that person isn’t a Christian?”
With power comes responsibility. In the Age of the Internet there is no excuse for Hillsong’s inability to find quotes from the bible or other Christians on any topic.
There are short-and-sweet ones from classic writers. Perhaps Houston would like it?
“be killing sin or it will be killing you.”
― John Owen, The Mortification of Sin
@Q – these ‘leaders’ spout all of this guff because they appear to have reprobate minds, concerning the truth of the Gospel and the true nature of the church.
The church is not an auto-teller for preachers who teach tithing and write/speak rubbish in the name of God. Paul knew that type of person, who looked so spiritual but had no substance, who even turned people away from Bible truth:
“Paul describes two men named Jannes and Jambres as those who “resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith” (2 Timothy 3:8).
Here the reprobation is regarding the resistance to the truth because of corrupt minds. Titus also refers to those whose works are reprobate.
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate” (Titus 1:16).
Therefore, the reprobate mind is one that is corrupt and worthless.
http://www.gotquestions.org/reprobate-mind.html
So there’s the answer Q, Newtaste et al – we’re not going to get a straight answer from these people (Houston et al) because they are simply incapable of giving one…
“Guys, okay Bobbie is a Pastor.”
False. There is no such thing as a female pastor in the bible. So if you want to insist that she is a pastor, it only shows you reject the authority of scripture.
“Guys, okay Bobbie is a Pastor.”
No she’s not, she’s a pastor’s wife – and actually, she’s not that, either, because Brian is not a pastor, and hillsong is not a church.
So, just re-capping (because I know that you have trouble keeping up, and that your attention span is quite short):
1. hillsong is not a church.
2. Brian is not a pastor.
3. Bobbie is not a pastor.
I’m surprised that you find that so difficult to comprehend, although perhaps I shouldn’t be, given that you are unable to answer my simple questions regarding the Apostle Paul, Gideon, and King David.
Did you notice that Bobbie said “Have faith in faith”, Q? Have you ever heard of “Word of Faith”? Do you think that “faith in faith” will save Bobbie Houston? Do you think that “faith in faith” will save *you*?
You don’t have any understanding at all with regards to such matters as are discussed here: all you have is opinions – and your opinions are wrong.
Here’s another question for you: given that Gandhi was not saved, where is he now? (I’ll give you a hint: it’s the very same place that Brian and Bobbie are headed for – which is probably the reason why Bobbie isn’t averse to quoting him).
“Truth is truth.”
Oh really, Q? Is that so?
Perhaps, then, you would like to tell as who said the following:
“I am […] the truth […]”
Was it Jesus Christ or Mahatma Gandhi, Q?
As always, I await your reply with interest.
“In the Age of the Internet there is no excuse for Hillsong’s inability to find quotes from the bible or other Christians on any topic.”
See that’s my point Mr Thinker. You can judge everyone on the planet if you want.
There is no excuse for you or anyone to watch a secular TV show either, when you could be reading your Bible. There is no excuse for anyone to have a glass of beer when you could be drinking milk. It’s endless once you start to attack and criticize someone for what YOU think would be best. Start a church Thinker. And then let the rest of us go line by line through your sermon, your Facebook, your tweets, and the concerts you go to.
Maybe you can just turn the whole world into your little Geneva.
I repeat there is NO law in God’s kingdom saying that everytime a Pastor makes a public statement that it has to be a Bible verse. You are being just lame.
Go sit on the beach. And pick up some rubbish or something and say hello to people. After all, in a gentle way you can shake the world.
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darn it! Bobbie’s evil influence has corrupted meeeeeeeeeeeee.
Again, there are more than enough well-respected Christians and Christian authors to quote if a Christian leader has writer’s (or Twitter’s) block. Nearly 2000 years of information resources relevant to Christianity are available online.
e.g. search Archive dot org. Go to Texts, American Libraries, has an assortment of different denomination’s seminary libraries. e.g. scroll down left column half-way, open Princeton Theological Library link.
Compare Grace to You’s twitter stream to Hillsong’s. https://twitter.com/gracetoyou
Which church’s twitter stream focuses on Christ and the Gospel? Which one gives links for people to learn more about theology and apologetics? And which one uses it almost solely for advertising?
“You can judge everyone on the planet if you want.”
Just like you are judging everyone on the planet.
Your comments are fallacious and pathetic. Go sit on a beach and read the bible to gain honesty in your conversations.
its a shame hillsong want to be loved by the world, they are only interested in aligning themselves with people who successful.
they dont question what these celebrities believe, they align themselves with false teachers.
its all about blessing and prosperity with hillsong, as a article i read this year its the church with no answers.
hillsong are not interested in standing up for christ and the gospel. thats why i can see why this website has helped many people see hillsong for what it really is.
the trouble will hillsong is is all their theology is in their songs, without worship music hillsong wouldnt be where they are today.
hillsong is a brand name just like starbucks, costa and caffe nero. they should be on every high street.
i cant see where the gospel is being preached in this church, has anyone been to any of their touching heaven services where the focus is more on worship and prayer.
“the trouble will hillsong is is all their theology is in their songs, without worship music hillsong wouldnt be where they are today.”
the same with bill johnson’s false movement & Jesus culture.
and with russell evans false movement & planetshakers.
all these false movements needed their front bands to make themselves attractive & sucker members in.. thats the depth of their theology.. because its not in their false teachings, and its not in their false prophecies..
nfg
yes all these churches hillsong/planetshakers/jesusculture/bethelmusic and passion.
they need the music to speak up for them, because they dont have anything to say. they have dumbed down, watered down and diluted the gospel of christ so much there is nowhere left for them to go.
women preachers, gay people can stay as they are and not be convicted of their sin. now the church is being pressured to change their views on no sex before marriage.
plus all this interfaith, emerging all the faiths together muslims and christians for the new world order. is that the correct way of saying it.
people come out of the world and they find themselves back in the world, because the world is dressed up as the church.
the church dosent speak out anymore because it will affend their members, they dont want to lose anyone or have their ministries affected by loss of income.
the church sees people as resourses, free income all tax free. plus 25p 25 cense in every pound or dollar given back by the govenment.
people are income to all these modern contempary emerging church movements.
They also need the music to hide their false teachings. If you remove their emotional and sometimes very Christian songs, their agendas stick out like a sore thumb.
” bobbiehouston
So Sad that yet another airliner gone missing. Repost by @sidmohede #prayforsurvivorsandfamilies
http://instagram.com/p/xJUttqoY8o/ ”
Are you going to have a go at Bobbie Houston for posting this?
Newtaste, you’re just a troll these days aren’t you?
I’ll take that as a yes.
“By and large, our fellow citizens are inclusive and tolerant.”
Oh, this did make me laugh.
But, i’ve seen it written by one too many “Aussie’s,” i’m starting to wonder if people think that if they write this enough, it will actually come true.
Pray for Australia.
I’ll ride with you – and she praised australians for their willingness to defend innocent people.
And Kindness Rules.
I submit to you that you would have to be a completely nasty person who hates someone to criticize them for this.
Keep it up guys. Bobbie could show what she put up their to just about anyone on the planet and they wouldn’t attack her over it.
Are you guys members of Westboro by any chance?
“Are you guys members of Westboro by any chance?”
Ask Hillsong that question.
What is apparent with Hillsong is that they are willing to be completely two-faced over issues like Islam.
It was only this year that Bobbie Houston (ignorantly) slammed Islam for mistreating women but now she is Islam’s best friend?
Before name calling us, go research what Hillsong stood for when Australia went into Afghanistan and Iraq (in the name of Jesus, Justice, Love and Truth.)
Funny now how political correction has turned and how Brian and Bobbie Houston are embracing Muslim’s in the name of Jesus, Justice, Love and Truth.
“so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.” Eph 4:14
If that is not enough, Brian Houston is quite prepared to call terrorists and Christians evil. But according to Houston, he would rather his members embrace the idea that Hillsong is inclusive of terrorists.
And you accuse us of being members of Westboro?
I ASKED if you guys are members of Westboro, because attacking Bobbie for THIS instagram is ridiculous.
You are shooting yourselves in the foot.
“I ASKED if you guys are members of Westboro, because attacking Bobbie for THIS instagram is ridiculous.”
No, the reason you ask stupid questions is because you don’t have the faintest clue what you are talking about. You shouldn’t feel too bad about that, though, because you have plenty of kindred spirits in that regard, including Brian and Bobbie Houston and all their devotees.
Keep on judging according to human values and external appearances. Keep on valuing the wisdom of this world which is perishing, rather than looking to the enduring and unchanging words of God, which will never fade away. Persist in your wilful ignorance, your blindness, and your foolishness, because you have been given free will to do as you choose – but be aware there is coming a day when you will be called to account, and on that day you will be without excuse.
Q, Do you think bobbie will ever apologise for getting her ‘people’ to follow a complete lie? Did bobbie correct herself at all? No.
Same as when brian and herself twist scripture and get caught out.
it just shows how their hillsong sheep follow every word they say, without checking anything and get thrown into error.
I guess correction,modalism, sin and repentance just aren’t in their dictionaries.
What do you think of bobbie never saying a word about Frank houston?
It’s as if she was never there….but she was….and has nothing to offer those victims either.
I won’t even reply to your quote: “tee hee” . That’s sad.
Won’t respond to the rest of your posts, because it’s all just the same old stuff.
Re Bobbie and Frank Houston, I don’t know. I can’t imagine what it would be like for her or her husband.
I think it’s easy to point the finger. I don’t know what most people would do if they found out their father. father-in-law had molested children.
Imagine yourself in the same situation.
“I don’t know what most people would do if they found out their father. father-in-law had molested children.”
Hope you haven’t wasted money on Brian Houston’s leadership books, seminars, sermons and workshops. Everyone else has the brains to go to the police except Brian.
How is it that this fraud has the audacity to force authority onto the church to be a leader for leaders and a pastor for pastors when he can’t even do the right thing by law?
“he (brian) can’t even do the right thing by (secular) law”
Sad. Even *secular* law has more morals than *religious* Brian.
If Brian Houston has the audacity to tell tens of thousands of individuals:
“Speak God, we’re listening….”
Then Brian Houston needs to go find himself some character first, and Bobbie Houston needs to stop quoting anyone like Gandhi.
These 2 clowns aren’t the Moses and Zipporah they make themselves out to be.
Nope. Instead they’re false prophets/teachers.
Surrounding themselves with other false prophets/teachers. This list is ridiculous:
TD Jakes, Joel Osteen, Phil Pringle, Casey Treat, AR Bernard, Kong Hee, Joyce Meyer, Bill Hybels, Rick Warren, Ed Young Jr, Michael Gungor, Sidney Mohede, Steven Furtick, Louie Giglio, Jesus Culture, Ron Luce, John Bevere.
How many false prophets/teachers must it take to convince mindless followers there is a problem?
When they surround themselves with other like-minded persons, it appears to give the entire group more credibility. Yet not one person above is a legitimate Bible teacher, much less is any one of them a prophet speaking the words of God to the Church !
Q – mate, since you brought it up, your apparent disdain for pastoral integrity makes you more like a Westboro member.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
what everyone may not realize but may find interesting is yrs ago ‘katy perry’ used to be ‘katy hudson’. the only reason i know this is because before i got rid of all my secular & pseudo-‘Christian’ music a few yrs ago, i used to have ‘katy hudson’s cd..
now i’m quite selective about music & movies, nfg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Hudson_(album)
From Wikipedia:
‘[Katy Perry] cites the [Queen’s] frontman, Freddie Mercury, as her biggest influence and expressed how the “combination of his sarcastic approach to writing lyrics and his ‘I don’t give a f**k’ attitude” inspired her music.’
I can see why Laura Toggs, is such a “massive fan” of Perry, and why she would want to have her four year old daughter in a nice photo with her. Perhaps when the little girl grows up, she will pay tribute to Perry’s sublime channelling of this “I don’t give a f**k” attitude as having likewise been an influence.
What a wonderful mother Laura Toggs is; no doubt she is a fantastic “youth pastor” as well! Brian and Bobbie Houston should be proud that their daughter is such a credit to them, living out, as she does, their long-held and highly-cherished beliefs and values. Well done all of you; it really does show us the cloth from which you are cut. I am sure that none will deny you the reward that God is keeping in store for you, and that will soon enough be made manifest in the sight of all men when you stand before Him at the Judgement.
amused, thanks for adding those details..
that puts the hillsong / c3 / chc lie, once again, into more perspective.
the OT/NT are both clear to avoid corrupting influences.
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“3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.” (deut 7:3-6)
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“14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?”
(2 cor 6:14)
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nfg
To the people behind Hillsong Church Watch,
I feel overwhelming compelled to write this to you because I believe that, whilst I have enormous issues with your website, you are my brothers and sisters in Christ.
My fundamental issue with your website is not that it is factually wrong, but rather it is full of twisted half truths.
Individual posts aside, your ongoing argument throughout your site is that because Hillsong is a ‘cult’ and ‘preaching a false gospel,’ you have the Biblical authority to discredit and ridicule them in a very public way such at this. You quote passages throughout the New Testament which give you the ‘right’ to do this, such as Romans 16:17 or Galatians 1:8.
The reason why your logic is flawed is simply this: these passages apply to people who preach a gospel other than Christ (such as the Judaizers or circumcision party in the New Testament). These passages do NOT apply to people who are Christians, and who you don’t agree with on some aspects of their doctrine (whether those aspects are trivial or important).
I sincerely hope none of you would have the arrogance to suggest that Pastor Brian Houston and the entire Hillsong church are going to hell. I am certain that any reasonable Christian who has spent 5 minutes listening to Hillsong content would be certain that, even if they disagree on some important matters, Brian Houston still believes the basics of the Christian gospel. Any suggestion otherwise is unfortunately incorrect.
So let me be clear, your website is not a service warning Christians of a cult (as I would understand if the subject matter of this website was Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses). Rather, I would suggest it is tool that Satan is using to create division, factions and huge damage to the Christian church.
Of your sometimes half valid articles, by all means write to Pastor Houston and others sharing your concerns about their ministry if you so choose. Although some would disagree with me, I would also be more than happy for you to publicly and respectfully point out on a website such as this the issues you have with the church. But any quick reading of your sarcastic and hurtful writings show clearly your goal is to discredit and tear down Hillsong as a church and as a ministry (not to humbly or sincerely point out their wrongdoing).
I would suggest that you are the very people Paul is talking about in 1 Thess 5:19-22 who ‘hinder the Holy Spirit’ and ‘treat prophecy with contempt’ by testing a ministry based not on it’s content (good or evil) but rather judge it based everything else (including personalities, individual preferences and twisted half truths).
Most of all, I find it sadly ironic and hypocritical that on your main website banner is quoted Rom 16:17 ‘…watch out for those who cause divisions…avoid them.’ No better description of this website could anyone find! I plan on heeding Paul’s advice and not returning to visit or replying to any further posts. My prayer is that all of you will do the same by shutting down this website and instead focus on extending, rather than tearing apart, God’s church.
Tim
Our website has proved that Brian Houston is a false prophet and a false teacher. Furthermore, we have gone through his books and faithfully reported FACTUALLY his lies, his false gospel, his false faith, his false doctrine, his false Jesus and his false Spirit.
So what are we doing wrong again? Biblically calling Christians to watch out for the Hillsong cult? Calling these frauds to be accountable like the Apostlea did? What scriptures have we twisted?
There are people in the past who have used the Book of Galatians to do just what you say Hillsongchurchwatch shouldn’t be doing now. e.g. Martin Luther exposed the Roman Catholic Church’s false teachings, showing how they had added doing good works to faith in Jesus Christ.
https://archive.org/details/commentaryonsain00luth
Instead of faith + circumcision =salvation (Judaizers), it was faith + works (penance +traditions + RC-Church doctrine/ laws not in bible etc.) = salvation (RC).
Do you realise that Hillsong adds laws *in practice* similar to what was condemned in Galatians (and later by Luther)? Hillsong is more subtle than most legalistic churches. Tim for your own sake please carefully analyse what is said and NOT said by Hillsong. Be a good Berean, examine carefully what is said by this website AND Hillsong and compare it with the BIBLE.
Positive thinking at all times to gain God’s blessings is not a commandment. Generous giving and tithes to prove your devotion to God/ church is not a commandment. Preach the Word in season and out of season is though (2
Timothy 4:1-3). So is the exhortation to turn from sinful lifestyles, be unlike the (unrepentant) Gentiles and grow in holiness (e.g.1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Ephesians 4:17-32).
Does Hillsong preach the Word (bible) or (fleshly) men-pleasing messages? Does Hillsong encourage its followers to grow in holiness or accept sinners *remaining* as they are *in their sins*?
Has it occurred to you that an unbiblical church – or at the very least one in serious error – being exposed for what it is could be GOD’s will…..and therefore you are fighting against His will by trying to prevent truth being shown?
“[…] by all means write to Pastor Houston and others sharing your concerns about their ministry […]”
Brian Houston is not a pastor. Ergo, he does not *have* a ministry.
“My fundamental issue with your website is not that it is factually wrong, but rather it is full of twisted half truths.”
How ironic: it is in fact Brian’s “preaching” that is full of twisted half-truths (of course, he throws in a lot of factual error for good measure). You can confirm this by watching any of his “sermons” or reading any of his books.
“I sincerely hope none of you would have the arrogance to suggest that Pastor Brian Houston and the entire Hillsong church are going to hell.”
I am certainly well aware that Brian himself is headed for the lake of fire; how many of his devotees he will be taking with him remains an open question, although it will probably be a fairly high percentage (it’s clear that you yourself have already booked your spot with the short-straw crowd). However it’s not arrogance that leads me to suggest that; it’s actually called “discernment” (you could ask “pastor” Brian what that means, but he would probably have to look it up in the dictionary – and since he couldn’t find the word “modalism” when he went searching for it, I really wouldn’t fancy your chances of getting any change from him).
I saw Brian speaking many years ago, and I’ve never forgotten it – he left a lasting impression by virtue of his shallowness and insipid delivery, and he was about as far from being “Spirit-filled” as anyone could imagine (and he has actually gone downhill since then). Too bad for you that you’ve decided to hitch your wagon to a falling star, but at least you’ve got hordes of Brian’s mindless followers to keep you company on the very broad road you’re travelling on.
“The reason why your logic is flawed is simply this […]”
So one of Brian Houston’s followers wants to give us a lecture on logic? That’s easily the funniest thing that I’ve ever read on this web site.
Amused, I find it very concerning that you claim that Brian is definitely headed for hell. Who gives you the right or the authority to say such a thing? Are you God? This website grieves me dearly and I totally agree with what Tim said in his comments. Are you all going to say that my beautiful Christian daughter (who goes to Hillsong) is going to hell too? I think I will let God be the judge.
It does come across as harsh, doesn’t it TLC. I agree with you. In the sense that only God knows the outcome of whether one is truly saved or not, we can ask the question about their final destination but we cannot declare it. The bible clearly describes and warns us of certain men? I often consider these things when we see the lives of those we love (family – you’re not the only one) held sway by these men.
Then, as parents, I remember the long journey the Lord has taken us on – I suppose ‘Amused’ would have declared us destined to hell too, considering the length of time a man ‘held sway’ over our spiritual lives. Should we question His purpose in not opening the eyes of those we love (our children and their families) still caught up there? I believe they are saved, based on their faith in the finished work of Christ, but still subject to His discipline as we were, the sadness of realising we exposed them to these movements from childhood? Hope this makes sense as I truly understand your reaction to ‘Amused’s often harsh comments.
As a Churchwatcher here, I personally draw the line at calling them cults, but it’s interesting that when you do leave these two particular church movements (C3 & Hillsong) – it does feel like you’ve left a cult, with perhaps years of ‘deprogramming’ still ahead for some. Cult-like a better term perhaps. As for people leaving? It’s a worldwide phenomena, praise God. And these movements will not acknowledge how wide their back door is and how often people leave. Because in their eyes, the one leaving has the problem, not the movement.
‘Amused’ – you may be right in what you say about Brian and company, but stop shooting the wounded and allow God’s great mercy play out as you ‘sound the alarm’. The struggle with bitterness towards these so-called ‘leaders’ is understandable, having constantly to battle it myself.
“This website grieves me dearly and I totally agree with what Tim said in his comments.”
Then maybe you need to hear the gospel. When you see how these reprobates are grieving the Holy Spirit, you will not be grieving over this website. You will be grieving over the state of Christ’s church.
“Are you all going to say that my beautiful Christian daughter (who goes to Hillsong) is going to hell to”
That depends on her confession and who she defends. Brian and Hillsong (idolatry) or Christ and his word. Your fallacious statements and innuendos made toward us are noted. Never have we ever stated on this website that all people in Hillsong. We have said that Hillsong is a cult and that they are leading people to hell.
However, there are some Christians we know in these cults that God amazingly protects from hearing the heresy. Often we see them proclaim the gospel but not understand why people leave Hillsong. We know people involved in Hillsong resourcing and faithfully equipping people within to not fall into the Hillsong’s leadership deceptive teaching.
This is why Brian Houston has been running from false gospel to false gospel. As soon as Hillsong members smell something fishy, Brian Houston presents a new false gospel. Sadly, this technique works often to keep members happy. The problem with Hillsong members always giving the leadership the benefit of the doubt is that Houston will start wearing the saints down.
So ‘Made With’, we will say this: your beautiful daughter needs to compare what is taught in the name of God to the word so that she may flee from the final destruction of those who are brainwashed and persevere with Hillsong. You need to biblically warn her. Approach the topic with sensitivity and love.
“Amused, I find it very concerning that you claim that Brian is definitely headed for hell.”
I find it very concerning that Brian is determined to take so many other people with him. Of course, as long as he is drawing breath, he still has the opportunity to repent.
“Are you all going to say that my beautiful Christian daughter (who goes to Hillsong) is going to hell too?”
So you think that only ugly people go to hell?
When I wrote the word beautiful I was not referring to looks! You are straining at gnats. People go to hell because they reject Jesus Christ. Please remember that God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. We are all desperate sinners in need of a Saviour whether we go to Hillsong or any other church for that matter.
“We are all desperate sinners in need of a Saviour whether we go to Hillsong or any other church for that matter.”
We have seen this argument used a lot by Christians who have fallen for a lie by these cults. They automatically want you to justify their blatant and unrepentant sins by dropping unbiblical mantras: “for all have sinned” or “there is no perfect church”.
Know this: these churches believe they are better than The church of Jesus Christ. They claim they are “blessing” the church. This is why they put on their conferences. They have set a standard of perfection for other churches to follow. But when Christians point out the scandals, false teachers, frauds and abuse that Hillsong does not address – why do Hillsong suddenly justify themselves by claiming the lowest standard of church integrity.
They make our point for us: they demand that we follow their standard of perfection – which is very low indeed.
Made with TLC, compare content of two very different-in-style but successful churches:
Google “repent sins site:Hillsong.com”,look at number of entries then read entries.
Google “repent sins site:gty.org”, look at number of entries then read first page’s results.
What do you notice about the “5 Ws and 1 H” pattern from both churches’ entries? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ws
At the very least does Hillsong provide enough information about why repentance is needed?
“When I wrote the word beautiful I was not referring to looks!”
So you’re telling us that your daughter is not comely?
“Please remember that God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.”
The one you need to inform of that fact is not me, but rather Brian Houston (who knows, he may actually start preaching the Gospel if you give him a heads-up).
While you’re at it, ask Brian if you can have a quick squiz at hillsong’s books so that you can see where the money is going (do be sure to let us know how you go with that).
“[…] Hillsong or any other church […]”
hillsong is *not* a church, it is a cult.
“You are straining at gnats.”
You are choking on camels.
Back off Amused.
“Should we question His purpose in not opening the eyes of those we love still caught up in Hillsong? I believe they are saved, based on their faith in the finished work of Christ,”
For any who may be saved…
Nevertheless all there are being constantly bombarded with Brian Houston’s false teacher friends, false prophets for profit, and his own false teachings…
And we know where those unholy alliances are leading.
Agreed, and we swallowed it, hook line and sinker, until one day the Lord, in His mercy, opened our eyes. It does happen, people are leaving in droves and they won’t acknowledge it.
Even the Word records that Paul and Barnabas and Paul and Peter disagreed, and yet I dare not say that one of them was more spiritual than the others or that one had a greater knowledge of the truth than the others. They all were born-again, Spirit-filled Christians who loved and followed Jesus Christ and who lived and died spreading the gospel. Surely they did not glory or boast in people going to hell. Yet you wrote “I am certainly well aware that Brian himself is headed for the lake of fire; how many of his devotees he will be taking with him remains an open question, although it will probably be a fairly high percentage (it’s clear that you yourself have already booked your spot with the short-straw crowd).” The sad thing is that you were implying that Tim (who had issues with this website and wrote to you as ‘brothers and sisters’) was also booking a place for himself in hell. I am grieved at this and yet going back and forth in arguments will get us nowhere. As it stands this website will continue and even though I do not go to Hillsong church I will not spend my time judging those who go to Hillsong (including many friends and my daughter -who in my eyes is beautiful on the outside and the inside because she is created in the image of God) or to other Pentecostal churches (including many friends) or to Reformed churches (including many friends) or those who follow other pastors such as John Macarthur (who also earns a living from writing blogs and books) or who follow teachings such as Calvinism (which I personally have issues with, yet I do not create a website to judge and condemn those who believe in it). We are all sinners…even Paul said he was the chief of all sinners. We all need to grow in grace and humility and even though I have been a Christian for many years I am still learning every day as I read God’s Word and spend time with Him in prayer. I even confess that I don’t read His Word every day and I can grow lukewarm in my heart but surely it is God who does the work of sanctification in our lives and each of us are at different stages in this process. I am encouraged by Philippians 1:6 – “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.’ God desires that we all grow to be mature in Christ. I pray that we can be united in Christ through HIS love rather than be divided. After Jesus was baptised and led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil he began to preach and to say “Repent; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”. Surely the return of Jesus is very close and all of us should be concerned for the millions in the world who are blinded by the god of this world and who deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. We should be earnestly praying that their eyes will be opened and that they will come to repentance in Christ. Isn’t this our real mission and purpose in life?
“Even the Word records that Paul and Barnabas and Paul and Peter disagreed….”
Q. Was that over doctrine or destination?
A. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2015%3A36-41&version=KJV
“The sad thing is that you were implying that Tim (who had issues with this website and wrote to you as ‘brothers and sisters’) was also booking a place for himself in hell. ”
I agree with you there. Amused’s excessive bluntness there is unhelpful. Something along the lines of “I believe he is at risk of ending up in hell unless…..” would have been less offensive. Some of us have left the narrow path and landed in the muddy ditch for periods of time after all…
I just read your comment ‘churchwatcher’ and it does give me hope that we can be united in Christ through His love. I agree with you that we need to be discerning in these last days and to stand on the truth of God’s Word. Yes I went to Hillsong for a few years but was born into a Christian home and raised in a Methodist church at an early age, then I went to Presbyterian, Churches of Christ and Baptist churches for many years so have listened to teachings from a variety of denominations. After a few years at Hillsong I believed God called me out from the church for a number of reasons – I simply found it too big and I did not agree with some of their teachings (but not all). I admit that I was blessed in many ways by going there (especially after my marriage broke down through my ex’s ongoing adultery) and I can see that my daughter’s faith is growing and that she has such a heart for the lost. I still go to a very small church where the people really preach and live out the gospel (and is Pentecostal) but ultimately I believe that we need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling and always remember to pray for our brothers and sisters that they will grow in the grace, truth and knowledge of the Word of God. Paul prayed for all the churches – from the legalistic Galatians to the charismatic Corinthians. I pray that your ministry will be filled with grace and love and that you will sincerely pray and teach that all need to come to salvation in Jesus Christ because there is no other name by which we can be saved. Blessings….
“Amused’s excessive bluntness there is unhelpful.”
Sometimes Amused’s posts are probably the most outspoken, but he means well.
I do admit, I have thumbed up on many of his posts… 🙂
“Amused’s excessive bluntness there is unhelpful.”
We hope Amused reads that. We have talked with Amused behind the scenes and have asked him to be a bit more diplomatic and thoughtful in his comments.
“I just read your comment ‘churchwatcher’ and it does give me hope that we can be united in Christ through His love. ”
Discernment work is not easy. Many of our contributors (including those commenting) are driven by passion. It can be very emotional and heart-felt. Knowing how to present information can be a challenge when articulation fails to express what what people have seen or experienced.
“I agree with you that we need to be discerning in these last days and to stand on the truth of God’s Word.”
We would like stress to our readers how these men only preach “love” and “unity” but not “true love” and “true unity” that Jesus speaks of. You will NEVER hear them preach on biblically on these topics, that being a love and unity founded on the essential truths of God. They cannot risk to do that.
So let me be clear, your website is not a service warning Christians of a cult
Tim, how would you feel if the pastor of your “church” falsely represented that they had earned a doctorate from a reputable institution, but it was pretty clear that they did not? That’s the kind of stuff that this website uncovers.
Now, let’s think about that for a bit. Most normal people wouldn’t dream of parading around a doctorate acquired through questionable circumstances, we’re just not that stupid and we can think rationally that we would get caught out at some point. So what kind of man or woman (there’s more than one at C3 alone) would do so? One with a very inflated opinion of themselves, burning with hunger to be seen as legitimate to the outside world. Now if that doesn’t sound like the trait of a cult leader to you I’m not sure what does.
Make no mistake, C3 is Phil Pringle and Hillsong is Brian Houston. These are not democratic institutions, they are rife with nepotism with only members of their inner circle such as blood relatives or close friends are given any authority. Financial reports are not distributed, they are secret. You pay your tithes, love/building offerings etc and they do not tell you where those funds are going. But what Phil and Brian will do is live rich lives to “demonstrate” God wants us to be rich, we just need to pay them a little more…
I used to go to a C3 church and it’s not until after I left that I could reflect on what went on there. It was all about collecting money through various means, yet did that money go to the poor? No, it went on buying bigger buildings, bigger recording studios, brighter lights for the stage shows.
If you look objectively how these places are run, what they preach and how they conduct themselves it becomes very apparent that they are cults. But it’s very difficult for someone who is deeply entrenched in these kinds of institutions to see that. Instead of berating them you should be thankful there is a website like this to shine a light on them. I’d recommend you take a step back and have another look.
the trouble with hillsong and other churches like it, is its caught up in new age cyclebabble.
hillsong embrace other faiths such as catholics and muslims, they also align themselves with money preachers.
hillsongs desire for worldly success, is taking them on the wrong road. i really feel for the people who are converted but not saved.
because they are part of a church who refuses to repent of their sins and ask for forgiveness.
there are so many churches who are using the hillsong network to grow their churches.
the trouble with most christians today, they look to pastors and leaders. they dont look to jesus and fix their eyes on him.
they take every word their pastor says, they do not read the bible for themselves or pray for themselves.
anyone with common sence can see that, these maga church preachers are false teachers.
instead of the shepherds feeding their sheep, as jesus says to john if you love me then feed my sheep.
the sheep is feeding the shepherds with their hard earned cash. and they are not even been fed spiritually by their leaders.
how sad is this.
Paul Washer being kind to the people of Middle Eastern origin, as you would expect.
” Paul Washer @ paulwasher Dec 17
Terrorism is a reality, but we must not dehumanize all Arabs as “the enemy” or be unconcerned for their temporal and eternal welfare.
Paul Washer @ paulwasher Dec 17
Please pray for the men, women, and children of the Arab world. Look into their faces. Plead for their salvation & their peace.
http://mobile.twitter.com/paulwasher/status/545434451380293632?p=p
http://mobile.twitter.com/paulwasher/status/545430195898187777?p=p “
Q: “I think it’s easy to point the finger. I don’t know what most people would do if they found out their father. father-in-law had molested children.
Imagine yourself in the same situation.”
I can imagine it Q, however, i would have done everything humanly possible to help those victims and families. Not completely ignore them and be silent.
I hope you would also do the same.
@Q
“I repeat there is NO law in God’s kingdom saying that everytime a Pastor makes a public statement that it has to be a Bible verse. You are being just lame.”
Of course a Pastor doesn’t have to make every statement a bible verse, but when a ‘pastor’ starts quoting people who openly deny Christ, then they give credibility to that person and their false teachings! How can you not see the problem with this?
Gandhi is a false teacher and every time Bobbie or any Pastor quotes him they are ‘teaching as doctrines the commandments of men’ (Mark 7:6-9) and promoting his destructive hearsays. Why choose someone who denies Christ and promotes other gods? (2 Peter 2)
Every time a Pastor puts anything on social media it is open to public rebuke and it should line up with scripture!
You question why we would ‘pick’ on Bobbie’s Instagram. Well if you have ever bothered to noticed, she has 62.9 thousand followers! Instagram is a huge platform that both Brian and Bobbie use to influence the masses every day! In other words it’s a big deal and its public!
Bobbie promoted Gandhi to nearly 70 thousand people when she could have been promoting Christ. Isn’t all we do and say meant to point to Him alone?
What’s the difference if Bobbie quotes a devout Hindu (who openly denies Christ) from the pulpit on Sunday or on Instagram? Nothing!
If Bobbie stood up in church and quoted him, she would have received a lot more backlash than this, she got of lightly!
If you bothered to read the comments on her Instagram, you will see that other people question her, it’s not just this site!
By quoting a Hindu leader, she gives credibility to him and his false teachings. What does this teach the unsaved or new Christian? It teaches them that false teachers like Gandhi are worth listening to and you can learn from them! This fits with Brian’s ‘wide path’.
1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
“I think it’s easy to point the finger. I don’t know what most people would do if they found out their father. father-in-law had molested children.”
Is this some sort of excuse that you have for the Houston’s to not be ‘picked’ on? They are off limits because of what they are going through? You know what would have been better than doing nothing……something, anything!
Proverbs 27:5-6 Better is open rebuke than hidden love.
Janet Mefferd, who is a Church Watch poster girl, wrongly blames Islam in general for the actions of the crazed lunatic Man Monis. And while she disparages the #illridewithyou hash tags, Mefferd didn’t realise it was based on misinformation. http://janetmefferdpremium.com/2014/12/15/janet-mefferd-radio-show-20141215-hr-1/ She has two right wings and it seems she is trying for a spot on Fox News!!
“Poster girl”? Really?
Can you stop with your baseless accusations newtaste. Your school-girl antics make you look very silly. We post the facts, you whine and name-call.
Name calling? “Bobby Houston”, “Barbie Houston”. https://hillsongchurchwatch.com//?s=bobby&search=Go
Pardon me for dropping part way through a conversation, but @Badtaste, you’ve just given yourself away again…
When I saw Bobbie/Barbie Houston in an online video some two weeks ago, I was more inclined to call her “Bimbo” Houston.
Now, you may think that a rather insulting and uncalled for name calling thing to say, but she talked and acted and dressed (short skirt) just like the Bimbo’s do in the world. Seriously Badtaste – there was no discernible difference – none.
If you object to the labels of ‘Barbie’ and ‘Bimbo’, then please state why. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then maybe it’s a duck – or a goose?
A 60ish yr old wearing a “short skirt”? She doesn’t. Not unless you think that just below the knee is a short skirt. If she wears anything shorter she wears jeans or heavy tights under it and usually long boots. Church Watch would have Bobbie in a long Amish dress with an apron and either in the kitchen or scrubbing the floors, and completely subservient to Brian.
“Church Watch would have Bobbie in a long Amish dress with an apron and either in the kitchen or scrubbing the floors, and completely subservient to Brian.”
Because according to NT, critics lack good taste and common sense. Keep it up NT. Your stereotyping points out you have no argument.
Sorry @Badtaste – that does not compute. Amish women wear what they consider appropriate clothing – and they are respected for it in their community.
Tell me how Bobbie/Barbie/Bimbo could engender any respect from the majority of respectable people still in the world, let alone the remnant church? Even the way she talks makes her sound like a 17 year old office girl out on a lunch date with her girlfriends – not like a mature woman who claims to have walked with God for many years.
I do not agree with the overall treatment of Amish women by their menfolk, but there are Biblical injunctions within the scriptures, However, I suppose @Badtaste, that these scriptures were somehow or other obscured by the “shopping list” being compiled by these wayward members of “the Sisterhood”?
But then again, I suppose that Bobbie and Brian could do a complete back flip on clothing, embrace Chrislam again, and then she might just show up in a Burqa?
This goes with that at Shazzam’s?
Here’s what the bible says Badtaste – surely you can read and comprehend the will of God on even this most basic point?
“4 But let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.
5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands;
6 just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord,” 1 Peter 3:4,5 and 6a
How about #l’lltithewithyou…
@madewithTLc: “I am grieved at this and yet going back and forth in arguments will get us nowhere.”
But that is exactly what Christ did in the Synagogues using the Scriptures.
@madetlc: “People go to hell because they reject Jesus Christ.”
I agree, but they also go to hell for rejecting and twisting His Holy Word, that is the same as rejecting Jesus Christ directly.
@madewithtlc:”Even the Word records that Paul and Barnabas and Paul and Peter disagreed, and yet I dare not say that one of them was more spiritual than the others or that one had a greater knowledge of the truth than the others. They all were born-again, Spirit-filled Christians who loved and followed Jesus Christ and who lived and died spreading the gospel.”
One problem, a man called Judas who had another spirit, yet claimed to follow Christ.
There are many, many websites apart from this one, fighting to expose the deception being practiced on Christians for personal gain, especially those who are new to Scriptual Christianity. It cannot only be this website that grieves you with blunt remarks.
Of interest, is the fact that James and John were called ‘the sons of Thunder’ for being so fervent. ( Mark 3:17).
“When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, ‘Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?’” (Luke 9:54)
Yet, Jesus Christ still chose them over smooth, lukewarm salesmen.
The Apostle John was especially fervent against apostates and deceivers
(1 John 2:22; 2 John 7; 3 John 10).
It is a fervency with love…The Apostle John, known as a ‘Son of Thunder’ was also known as an Apostle of Love.
@TheTruth – the apostle Paul said of the deceivers in Galatia that he would that their genitals be cut off!
That may sound like an unworthy thing to quote on the blog (and I’m not trying to be crude here,) but it is the Holy Spirit’s inspiration as written by Paul in Galatians 5:12.
Many who post in defending the false teachers and their wayward ‘churches’ ignore such passages of scripture, but nevertheless, they are there for a reason.
Here’s a link to a commentary on the passage:
http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/4805.htm
Strong words? Indeed, but necessary in order to show the desperate level of deception that the Judaisers had sunk to. Shades of the HRM (Hebrew Roots Movement) in our day.
I met one near the Town Hall Square in Brisbane last year, handing out literature. When I challenged this woman over her beliefs in the light of Galatians, she remained blinded by the legalistic based works gospel. Couldn’t see the forest of issues for the trees of the HRM….
That is so typical of these people… and yet the defenders of Houston and Pringle and others of their ilk, get all antsy if you ask “awkward” questions – about money, about sexual sins, about lavish lifestyles, about false prophecies, about repentance, about big words like “sin”… and smaller words like “Trinity” 🙂
Strong meat is for the mature and yes – milkshakes down a McHillsong’s, are definitely for babies…
Agree with you Thor.
Luckily no-one here has called people ‘pharisees’, ‘demonic’, or even ‘slanderers’ like a certain twitter deleting ‘pastor’.
“…milkshakes down a McHillsong’s..”
so THAT explains the brain freeze! 🙂