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Edit (03/02/2015): Before publishing this story, we were careful about laying the charge that Hillsong pulled the below article.
However, other articles from the Hillsong website appeared to be fine. Our conclusion was that the article was pulled? Just to be sure, we waited two days before publishing the missing article. Since publishing – we have been notified that the article is back up on the Hillsong site. It would appear that Hillsong may have been aware of the attention this article received and perhaps placed it back in drafts until it was decided what should be done about it?
The attached article below was recently published by Hillsong, written by Hillsong worship leader Jonathan Douglass (JD). Not long after they published this article, someone mentioned part of its content on our site and we started analysing it.
Now we’ve discovered the article was pulled two days later after publication. Why?
Did JD inadvertently give us too much information on how Brian Houston ‘controls’ the worship arm of Hillsong? We know that Houston relies on music to influence churches as they expand/rebrand/takeover them into the Hillsong movement. Note the point that exposes Houston’s control:
2. We are about fulfilling our senior pastor’s vision (not our own)
It is so important that as amazing as our creative ideas might be, if they don’t ultimately line up with what our senior pastor and leaders want, then we happily put them aside.
The church doesn’t exist to build our worship teams… our worship teams exist to build the Church!!
This makes sense considering Brian Houston preaches his sermons from the latest Hillsong songs and pushes his Prosperity, Liberal, New Age or Christianity agendas through them. We’ve also seen Hillsong try to make their music appear more reformed in their musical flavour.
So now we ask this: is Hillsong music out to ‘deceive’ people. Why? If Brian Houston’s 2014 Vision Sunday is the standard of Hillsong’s worship integrity, honesty and faith – then God help Christians everywhere!
Houston’s 2014 God-given “Vision” (Part 1): “New grace” scrutinised
Houston’s 2014 God-given “Vision” (Part 2): The Father, Son and “Pioneer Spirit”?
Furthermore, the above quote raises an important question (and this in relation to the upcoming Hillsong movie): Considering the fact that Brian Houston is their visionary senior pastor, why is all the credit and focus on the UNITED band on Joel Houston?
Wouldn’t it be more honest to showcase Brian Houston leading the band since UNITED bends their knee to Brian’s prophetic visionary direction?
Here is the deleted article:
5 Things That Should Matter to a Worship Pastor
At the beginning of a brand new year, I always like to remind myself and ‘take stock’ of the basics, and re-focus on what really matters in every area of my life … my walk with God, family life, relationships, health, etc. And of course, the basics in my role as one of our team’s worship pastors.
SEE ALSO: 4 WAYS TO CARE FOR YOUR WORSHIP TEAM
At the start of a new year, I re-focus myself on the things that really matter! I always find it a helpful exercise, so I thought I’d share some of them with you!
5 THINGS THAT SHOULD MATTER TO A WORSHIP PASTOR
1. Jesus is leading us
We are responsible for leading people into the presence of Jesus… to do this, we need to know how to enter His presence and be very comfortable there… I can’t get past Exodus 33:14 where Moses’ authentic cry to God was that He would lead him! And Moses would not move unless the presence of God went before him! This is how we should approach every day.
2. We are about fulfilling our senior pastor’s vision (not our own)
It is so important that as amazing as our creative ideas might be, if they don’t ultimately line up with what our senior pastor and leaders want, then we happily put them aside.
The church doesn’t exist to build our worship teams… our worship teams exist to build the Church!!
3. It’s an honour to serve
We are servants first… it’s not about what we do! So that means if we have to do things that we don’t want to do, then it’s not a big deal because the truth is that it’s not about us anyways!!
4. We need to get better
Yes, Jesus loves us and yes, we have His grace when we hit the wrong note in a song… BUT with a little old-fashioned hard work and commitment we can get better and minimise our mistakes! It’s not about being perfect but getting better!
The goal is not to play a SONGLIST perfectly, but eliminate as many distractions so that people can connect with the meaning of the songs and encounter Jesus. This is otherwise known as an expectation of excellence! (Read more about Excellence)
Mistakes are allowed but making the same mistake twice… now that should be addressed… (In love) there’s always room to improve!
5. It’s not WHAT you do but WHOSE you are that matters
What we do is very important! And doing it to the best of our ability is also important. On top of these, we must seek our value as WHOSE we are rather than what we do! And we are sons and daughters of the living God that created EVERYTHING… who knows and loves us. When we understand this, it becomes the fuel to do what we do and also means that we don’t make it about what we do, but rather the ‘what’ becomes secondary to the ‘why’!!
These definitely aren’t the only things that should matter to us as worship pastors, but they’re a great place to start!
JD
Source: By Jonathan Douglass, 5 Things That Should Matter to a Worship Pastor, Hillsong, http://hillsong.com/blogs/collected/2015/january/5-things-that-should-matter-to-a-worship-pastor, Published 28/01/2015. (Accessed 29/01/2015.)
Hillsong Church Watch 
“3. It’s an honour to serve
We are servants first… it’s not about what we do! So that means if we have to do things that we don’t want to do, then it’s not a big deal because the truth is that it’s not about us anyways!!”
Ye right, lets see these music worshippers return to the hymns. It definitely is about them and all about the music. Unplug the power cord and sing hymns and see how many would be left
Well, by that logic, we shouldn’t even be singing HYMNS since the Israelites didn’t worship with them. But then again, David and the other psalmists wrote 150 psalms which, up until that point in time, had never been sung either. Were they in error? Were they not worshipping God? Psalm 40 says “he put a new song in my mouth”, and Psalm 96 says to “sing to the LORD a new song”. There’s nothing wrong with singing hymns, but there is also nothing wrong with singing a new song. God is a creative God, and since we are made in His image, we are also creative beings. I believe we glorify God when we develop the talents and gifts He has given us and use them to worship Him in new ways.
I praise Him every day that man looks at the outward appearance, but He looks at our heart.
“Mistakes are allowed but making the same mistake twice…
now that should be addressed… (In love) there’s always
room to improve!”
I’ve often made the same mistake more than twice. God isn’t the God of second chances. This sums up why He’s not: http://michaelkelleyministries.com/2012/07/god-is-not-the-god-of-second-chances/
The article is still there.
You guys are getting big heads – believing your own publicity. You used a comment by a visitor to the site about Brian Houston and Islam to publish a story that then did become a big story in the media, and consequently Hillsong pulled the video. Ever since then you have assumed that Hillsong will pull every reference related to every story you publish, assuming every story will be as big as the Islam story. But none have been, and Hillsong hasn’t pulled anything.
Maybe you should concentrate on Jesus.
It’s a reasonable assumption. This website is by far the most public and comprehensive critique of Hillsong. I’m sure they would monitor it closely despite what Brian says about critics. He probably reads the site himself.
I dont anderstand. Why are THE WORSHIP SONGS dangerous to sing? I dont get it.
Not all are. But if u can’t see that there are flaws to Hillsong, then 1, you can’t see them, or 2, they are hiding them. They are not perfect.
A donkey is not holy, but God still spoke through a donkey. Also, Balaam was a prophet who prophesied for a pagan king. A prophet for hire! God still used him as well! Every church has flaws, just like every Christian has flaws. We will not be perfect until He redeems us off this earth.
“Every church has flaws, just like every Christian has flaws.”
And there you have it folks – the downplay fallacy. Justifying sin in the name of God and turning the grace of God into a license to sin.
Mar is spouting these ideas from Hillsong, a cult that demands that churches follow them into flagrant idolatry, sin and apostasy – in the name of Jesus.
“Every church has flaws, just like every Christian has flaws. We will not be perfect until He redeems us off this earth.”
Yeah? The donkey didn’t lie, and neither did the prophets, but Brian Houston does.
Who warned us to avoid the liars? Jesus did. If you choose to disregard Jesus warnings, you deserve any consequences.
BTW, using your logic, it’s okay to go to any supposed ‘Christian’ church anywhere indescriminantly regardless of what they say / teach and what scandals they are engaged in. Think you’re smart, huh?
worship songs have the power, to speak into peoples lives, and stir up their feelings and emotions. worship songs should be about, helping the church enter into the presence of god, and get caught up in the holy spirit.
that’s the power of songs, worship songs are even more powerful, its the well written words and professional production of the music.
I couldn’t access the JD article for 3 days, then I read the article yesterday on the hillsong website.
I did have trouble today looking at another article, I skipped through yesterday.
Churchwatcher you may already know its vision sunday this sunday for the whole of hillsong as I saw on their website.
mrhatch – we’ve noticed Vision Sunday is being “celebrated” by many different churches groups, including C3.
This is a very sensitive topic.
Touch the lords anointed or challenge their golden calf of music, and watch and see the wolves in sheep’s clothing sparing not the flock.
But firstly, I believe it’s important to define what the word ‘Hillsong’ means?
I could not find its origins or definition. Perhaps someone here could help?
To me it sounds like the hill has a song, this clearly makes no sense. Also the word song is in there, and we see a somewhat dishonest switch and bait (equivocation) tactic used every-time, between the words song and music as if the two are one and the same, they are not. Singing is commanded and demonstrated by Jesus Christ and his apostles, music is not. For the very obvious reason not everyone can play but everyone can sing Eph 5:19 & Col 3:16.
Hillsong relies primarily on its music! I cannot state this enough, remove the driving beat that appeals to the flesh and Mr Houston will be out of business, this doesn’t say much for his sheep either.
Hillsong used to be called Christian Life Center (CLC). It is known that Pat Mesiti, Geoff Bullock and the Zschechs started the CLC musical conference. We are aware that Pat Mesiti copied their annual conference from a church up in Queensland and expanded the idea. Geoff Bullock who was a well-known worship leader, we’ve heard, was the one that gave the conference the name Hillsong.
Why? The conference mainly existed to worship God with CLC’s latest emerging musical talent. From what we understand, the CLC conference was held at CLC. Their church and events were located in the Northwestern suburbs of Sydney. This area of Sydney is called The Hills District. So from what we know, the idea was that they were the Hills Song Conference. Playing with the idea further – they changed it to the Hillsong Conference.
From what we know, Hillsong probably would have stayed CLC if it wasn’t for the fact the founder of CLC (Brian Houston’s father) was exposed as a pedophile. Cults often change their name to give the idea that they are new again and to shake off their history. So Brian Houston changed his CLC church to Hillsong church. This is why we we still have CLC’s floating around the country of Australia. There is CLC Monavale and CLC Kyogle. Similarly there is Hillsong Paris, Hillsong NY, Hillsong Kiev.
Back in the day, Frank Houston led many hippy communes to the Lord and also was very effective in Sydney Maori communities. This is where much of CLCs music talent came from. Back then – Trevor King was a bit of a musical draw card. Frank Houston left the Salvation Army to start his movement. Therefore, the music originally existed to lead worship and to draw a crowd to outreach to people. The early prayer rallies in Town Hall were very pentecostal and charismatic. Frank would often get up to preach once the music got people’s attention.
Brian Houston however, has hi-jacked the music to simply manipulate and control people to further his Hillsong empire. He doesn’t use it the same way his father did. He uses it to promote his lies, to groom churches to become like his church and to sheep steal. And then he has the audacity to call it “revival”.
Hope you found this reply worth your while. If anyone would like to add any more details or minor corrections, feel free.
Very helpful, thanks.
Like rock concerts they draw crowds. Like any gimmick, method or latest teaching it will mostly yield thorns and attract the half hearted. This is exemplified with the feeding of the masses, jesus had to say, they were only there to feed themselves. Remove the food and the crowds soon dissipated.
Remove the seeker sensitive preaching, the rock music….and watch the crowds leave in droves.
This is very unfortunate but sadly true in jesus time as it is now
I think more than a few guests have slipped into Hillsong services drawn by this music, thinking because they are standing there getting caught up in the emotions with everyone else, they must be Christians too.
Yet if you asked them what they believe, they would not be able to tell you.
That is one reason I believe these worship services can be misleading. Just participating in worship or even being in a church does not automatically mean one is saved. As was the case with Tanya Levin.
Churchwatcher
yes you are right about the CLC name their is a NCLC Newcastle Christian Life Centre in the uk and their is Berlin Connect in europe, these are Hillsong churches which dont carry the Hillsong name.
there is also Home St Albans, Soul Church and Derby Christian Life Centre, which are also Hillsong churches in the uk.
not all Hillsong churches carry the name Hillsong, some come under the (Hillsong family name) you will see it when you look at these churches websites which come under the Hillsong network and look to Hillsong for the spiritual direction and guidence.
have you looked at how much it cost to be a part of the Hillsong network is very expensive.
There is also C7 in Glasgow, Scotland. Hillsong in all but branding.
I don’t think every Hillsong song is dangerous to be sung in church. The lyrics need to tested against the scriptures.
I previously attended an ACC church (only left because I moved overseas), where the pastor would scrutinise any new songs that were to be added to the worship song list. Some Hillsongs passed, but only if certain verses were left out because they weren’t scriptural! This is a church within the same denomination deciding not to sing them!
If I was to start Hillsong Church in Rome… How much would it cost to join? Would we have to pay one off fee? annual fees? Would Hillsong support this church financially and ministry resources until it became fully self propagating? Would we have to preach only Hillsong approved teachings?
The church I’ve been attending for the last 4-5 years in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania (Allentown/Bethlehem) joined the HS network without informing the congregation. Through sheer God-given observation, I was able to discern that something had changed so I went on a search…found this site and found that HS had such a “network”. Shot a text to our associate pastor and sure enough he confirmed that our church had joined.
I made all of these observations after visiting HS NYC in Oct 2014 by request of my wife when I decided to go visit the city during my birthday. It was a Sunday and she didn’t want to miss church. I knew nothing of HS other than the music so I said why not. The thing that got me was the FLAWLESS similarity in their respective service compared to where I’ve been attending. At the age of 32, I don’t consider anything to be that coincidental so I started digging…
Found this website and a whole variety of other puzzle pieces that have since helped me understand the danger in the seeker friendly movement. Up to that point I just wasn’t aware.
The church I’m referring to is called Life Church and can be found at lifechurchlv.org
Last month they had the “speak lord, we’re listening” theme and graphics all over the site and all over the church. It’s not on the site now but just look at the church’s branding logo. It’s a total HS rip.
After not wanting to just bail on the place I’ve called home, I decided to have lunch with as many leaders (both official and lay) and present to them the falsehoods showing up in HS teachings. I had very low expectations and I wasn’t disappointed. Every leader basically rejected me and told me to stop spreading dissension. One bright spot, however…the youth leader met with me and told me he had already left for many of the same reasons and he served there for roughly 18 years. He emphatically called the church a “graveyard”. I didn’t notice his departure because the church is so big you don’t know if someone is there or not.
All in all, I have totally left that church and I am now in a place of general church disillusionment. There are a lot of churches around here to attend but I can smell seeker-friendly in everyone that I’ve visited. I felt deceived that the decision to join their network was not announced to the congregation. I also felt like my God-given gifts of perception and discernment were being minimized and silenced. The head pastor, although charming and very likeable, is a spiritual tyrant. It’s his church and his show. You don’t like it, leave because “it only makes room for new people”.
I appreciate what you’re doing here in this site. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for sharing your experinces Aaron.
Its seems Hillsong and Rick Warrens purpose driven church models are absolutely identical, both driven by numbers.
If its any consolation, the same has happened in my church. It was lirerally stolen without a shot been fired.
Since you’re in the USA if you’re looking for a conservative, bible-focused church in your district I suggest you search http://www.sermonaudio.com and have a listen.
I am saddened by much of this discussion. These are our brothers and sisters and we should be praying for them…not picking them apart. Many of us have no idea of the challenges faced in a large community like Hillsong but I am grateful that a they are who they are and are reaching many people with the gospel. I have grown in my walk with Jesus through their songs and teaching.
“I have grown in my walk with Jesus through their songs and teaching.”
How do you know? The error is all through their songs and teaching. Jesus warns us about the leaven in false leaders teaching. Why not find a tree that bears good fruit and not bad fruit?
‘I am saddened by much of this discussion.’
And we don’t want that do we? I mean seeing as the world revolves around you, and you alone.
‘These are our brothers and sisters’
They are your brothers and sisters but they are certainly not mine.
‘and we should be praying for them…not picking them apart.’
Obviously you haven’t been following the conversations here – hillsong heretics and their pathetic would-be defenders are not being ‘picked apart’ here, they are getting the living daylights kicked out of them.
‘Many of us have no idea’
Yes, we know that Brian and Bobbie have no idea, and that most of their followers likewise have no idea. You yourself serve as an excellent example of that, as you so candidly admit.
‘I am grateful that they are who they are’
Let’s all give thanks for the ravening wolves, shall we?
‘I have grown in my walk with Jesus through their songs and teaching.’
It’s just too bad that your ‘Jesus’ is fake, isn’t it?
“They are your brothers and sisters but they are certainly not mine.”
Easy there LOL. There are some Christian brothers and sisters in Hillsong. Some talk to us respectively and some have lots to work through but disagree with us in the meantime. Others report to us what is happening at Hillsong.
Be careful to ride them all off. Many need to grow in discernment.
I think that both are passive ways of dealing with the issue. In revelation is says much about the saints against saints, this is exactly what we are sering today.. the bigger issue is who is causing that? Why have the churches let in those who are not saved to come into power and influence others? If they were truly saved they would base what they believe on the bible, not on the pastor.
“These are our brothers and sisters and we should be praying for them…not picking them apart.”
Many of them are heretics. The early church didn’t “pick them apart”, they “threw them out.” The early church wanted nothing to do with them, as the Scriptures command.
Not like today’s watered down ‘Christianity’ where everything must be tolerated and it’s taboo to speak otherwise.
There are some obvious contradictions there in that website (draft). Most of the problem was that they disregard their own belief to the higher authority (sounds like a cult). Also, they said that it doen’t matter what they do, and yet they said it did. ???
What is wrong with bringing in a little change?? I love the lyrics to Hillsong, and to be honest, it brings me closer to God then I ever really have been. When I listen to that inspiring music and those passionate lyrics, it brings my soul to life and gives me great joy and reminds me God hasn’t forsaken me, that he hasn’t abandon me. I do respect your point of view though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. God bless you all.
” When I listen to that inspiring music and those passionate lyrics, it brings my soul to life and gives me great joy and reminds me God hasn’t forsaken me, that he hasn’t abandon me.”
This is one of the major issues we have with their music. They elevate their music above or it on par with the Word of God. Where does the Word of God fit in with your love for Hillsong music?
Because at the end of the day, are you willing to accept what the Word of God says about Hillsong lyrics, or will dismiss the Word of God as an opinion to justify your love for Hillsong music?
wow, best funny paranoid read i,ve had for a while. Simply, what have you done for anyone except yourself recently.
“what have you done for anyone except yourself recently.”
Theodore, you can be asked the same question, what have you done for anyone except yourself?
I find nothing wrong with the music Hillsong produces. I believe they are Holy Spirit inspired and would recommend it to all believers. I sense envy on this site though.
“I sense envy on this site though.”
and I sense stupidity in your brain.
There clearly seems to be envy- of how our Lord Yeshua is using Hillsong to impact so many lives for good and for God. Maybe because your church is not being used in the same way- maybe it is time to start asking why. Do you doubt that many, many souls are being saved every week at their church services? Let us praise God for this, not envy the good work this Hillsong church is doing. And please quit the name-calling…mature Christians don’t do that.
“our Lord Yeshua is using Hillsong to impact so many lives for good and for God”
our Lord Yeshua would never approve of any ministry that rips off the flock. and our Lord Yeshua would never approve of any ministry that leads the flock astray. so much for your ‘Hillsong impacts’.
“Maybe because your church is not being used in the same way- maybe it is time to start asking why.”
you know nothing about my church yet you pass judgement on it. amazing. making clear who is the pharisee (you).
“Do you doubt that many, many souls are being saved every week at their church services?”
yes im afraid i do. false gospel (of success ) = undoubtedly many false salvations. additionally many who might be sincere will be most quick to fall away because houston isnt capable of feeding them.
“And please quit the name-calling…mature Christians don’t do that.”
mature Christians dont go around defending fake ministries like you are.
by the way you talk like that david chap who ran off this website with his tail between his legs weeks ago. are you david coming back for another round of flogging?
Chucky
‘you know nothing about my church yet you pass judgement on it.’
Why don’t you then reveal what your church is, and let us know what it has done…
Chucky.
‘False salvations…’???? My brother in Christ…people either get saved or they don’t. There is no such thing like false salvations.
This is what the Bible says about salvation:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10%3A9-10&version=NKJV
And the fact is this- we can hear people confessing, but no one except God knows what happens within a person’s heart. That is a fact Chucky, so let us not be too quick to judge.
No such thing as false converts (salvations)? Jesus has something to say about that:
The Parable of the Weeds
Matthew 13:24-30 “He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servant of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’ ”
We read in the parable that Satan is at work deceiving the church by intermingling his ‘children’ with God’s children, often making it difficult for believers to discern the true from the false. The more you familiarise yourself with sound doctrine, the easier it will be for you to detect the true Christians from the false converts.
Something it appears you are yet to learn, James.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
“Why don’t you then reveal what your church is, and let us know what it has done…
That is a fact Chucky, so let us not be too quick to judge.”
let us not be too quick to judge? sounds funky coming from someone who already judged my church without knowing anything about it, and now wants to judge it some more.
Why is the reflex response from Hillsong supporters always assuming critics are jealous? Are there subliminal messages in Hillsong’s songs?
But seriously, have you taken the time to read the opinions, the factual information used to form those opinions, and compared what Hillsong says to the bible *in context*?
We’re so jealous that Brian has a pedophile for a father and an idiot for a wife. If only only we had a father and spouse like him! We’re so jealous of his lying tongue and his ponzy pyramid scheme empire. And look at all his followers who can’t even use two neurons to argue coherently. Clearly Hillsong is to be envied and we are simply jealous.
Stop acting like a goat and espousing the brainwashed ideas Houston wants you to believe of his critics. You’re in a cult. Listen to the way you argue.
Hi James. Jesus says that the Father is looking for people who worship in Spirit and in Truth. Clearly you’re not one who the Father has called. Otherwise you would care to worship in Spirit and Truth. The question is – why and what are you worshiping?
Who I worship- I worship Yeshua, Why do I worship Him? Because he has shown me, a sinner, grace. May I ask you the same question, Churchwatcher? By the way, your attitude and choice of words do not sound like those of a mature Christian.
“I sense envy on this site though.”
Christians everywhere are so envious of Brian Houston serving the muslim allah. I don’t think so.
My comment about sensing envy is related to the baseless claims made about Hillsong music- mainly repeated opinions of people who have not even bothered to listen to the songs. Listen to this one, for example, and then tell me it is not Holy Spirit inspired…
Seriously James? Some of the people who comment or moderate here ARE ex-Hillsong members. By the way, if you add more than one link to your comments, they automatically go into moderation until approved.
Yes, seriously churchwatcher. Could you or any ex-Hillsong goer listen to this song and tell me it is not Holy Spirit inspired, and why? There are many more songs, my brother/sister- I just thought I’d test you with this one.
Very much ‘Jesus is my boyfriend’ lyrics. Our relationship with Jesus isn’t ‘romantic’.
“He’s God, He’s the Creator and we are the creation. We worship Him in spirit and in truth, with a little bit of fear and trembling, even though we’re in a right relationship with Him. We don’t sing to Him as if He’s a girl, we don’t sing any songs that we call ‘Jesus is my boyfriend’ song. we don’t ever use the phrase ‘I’m in love’ (romance). There are a lot of great songs that talk about being in love, we try to avoid songs that make ‘me’ the subject of the song: “Hold me close let your love surround me, lead me, draw me to your side, when I, I’ll rise up on the wings of eagles and I’ll soar with you, your spirit leads me on”. This song’s about me! We don’t come to church to sing about ‘me’, we come to church to sing about God. So we don’t make people sing things they don’t mean, we don’t sing ‘Jesus is my boyfriend’ and I don’t have a romantic relationship with Jesus and I’m not ‘in love’ with Him. But I do love Him and we don’t have people sing songs that really at the end of the day are about themselves.”
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Churchwatcher
Indeed a sick mind may derive a ‘Jesus is my boyfriend’ message from the word ‘romance being used in the song. The word ‘romance’ is certainly not used in a sexual way if that is what you are suggesting.
The fact is that church is the bride of Jesus Christ. The word romance used in this song is rendered in that respectful context. For your reference:
https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/all-women-bible/Bride-Lamb-8217-s-Wife
“I just thought I’d test you with this one.”
another display of your arrogance. youve demonstrated you arent capable of answering questions since you dodged many already. thus youre the least qualified to be giving church watcher or anyone else a “test”
‘The fact is that church is the bride of Jesus Christ.’
And likewise, the fact is that hillsong is a harlot that belongs to satan.
You are entitled to your opinion NFNL, but it is not necessarily true. In time to come we will all find out.
By the way, why don’t you make a more sensible remark about the topic being discussed?
“In time to come we will all find out.”
It’s called the bible James. Read it. Stop defending the indefensible.
Contrast worship one hundred years ago to Hillsong music. It’s an abomination.
Worship use to be about God. Hillsong make worship about people.
The truth is this: goats are attracted to trash heaps.
What music like 100 years ago, churchwatcher? This is a serious question.
Sorry, churchwatcher. I meant what was worship like 100 years ago, not music.
“In time to come we will all find out.”
church watcher beat me to it. read the Bible james and you will get a sneak preview.
“why don’t you make a more sensible remark about the topic being discussed?”
hillsong is the topic being discussed. maybe you meant to say “about the topic being disgusting” because thats what hillsong is. it is disgusting. it is a perversion of the truth.
and i thought nfnl’s remark was “relevant” to use one of your false teacher’s favorite words. and sensible. in fact it was right on. hillsong is a harlot of satan used to lure people away from the truth. brian doesnt even understand the Bible, doesnt preach the Gospel either. what dont you get about that, mate? flunk out of discernment 101?
Chucky
The topic being discussed on this thread is Hillsong music, my friend, not Islam.
“You are entitled to your opinion NFNL, but it is not necessarily true.”
It is not an opinion; it is a fact”
“In time to come we will all find out.”
By then it will be too late for Brian, and there will be no remedy. It will be too late for you as well, who are a blind man being led by the blind.
“By the way, why don’t you make a more sensible remark about the topic being discussed?”
Because sometimes a bald statement is more than enough (something that you would know if you were actually acquainted with Scripture). In any case, there is no point at all in addressing “sensible remarks” to drooling dupes such as yourself – as it is written “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.”
Now why don’t you just toddle off and do something useful, like washing Brian’s feet or buying some more of his books (after all, he does need more money, doesn’t he?)
That is fine with me, NFNL(what does that stand for?!). If you have no intention of making sensible comments, There is no sense in continuing our discussion. May God bless you.
james ok hillsong music is attracting people to hell.
is that better?
“I meant what was worship like 100 years ago, not music.”
Consider songs like ‘Amazing Grace’, ‘How Great Thou Art’, ‘And Can It Be’, ‘Before the Throne of God Above’ (aka ‘The Advocate’), ‘My Hope Is Built On Nothing Less’…
These songs sing doctrine and use biblical language. They encourage people to think about what they are singing. They muse over the doctrine. This is music.
Hillsong don’t do this. They amuse – the antithesis of traditional Christian music. (Let’s call this ‘a-music’ for now.)
The reason why supermarkets play a-music in their stores is simply for emotional and mental control. Studies have found that people are more susceptible and gullible to buy more when a-music is playing. Why? Because it is feeding their emotional needs and stifling mental reasoning.
Hillsong have brilliantly tapped into this and have made Christians dependent on their a-music. Sadly, when you look at their lyrics, there is often nothing much there. Someone on churchwatch has been involved with Hillsong worship. We recall them telling us that not even the backing singers sometimes knew what they were singing, even though the backing singers liked the songs! This is because the outcome of Hillsong worship if for people to have an encounter with a god within their faith space or ‘atmosphere of worship’.
Sadly, Hillsong has done a fantastic job grooming Christians worldwide to embrace pagan practices and experiences in worship, (repeated phrases, non-biblical terminology, etc). Consider the Greco-Roman pagan culture. They elevated music and experiences at their festivals believing their gods were in those experiences.
Hillsong likewise elevate music, their atmospheres and experiences to experience their god. It’s an additional sacrament to them where god speaks to them or sometimes speaks through them. (They may as well be channeling the spirit of Python.) This false worship is also used to mentally control people to embrace heretical ideas and practices in the sermons often preached.
Hillsong “music” produces a bunch of melodic trash with not much substance in the name of Jesus. We know how the system works. We know good songs get on their albums occasionally. But that simply makes their music more dangerous consdering they also promote Liberal ideas, Purpose Driven heresy, Latter Rain heresy, Health & Wealth heresy in their lyrics. If not that, they also promote very New Age lyrics and concepts in their music.
Hymns embrace heart and mind. Hillsong embraces the heart and personal experience. And there’s no coincidence that they have a giving talk right after their worship time: the sheeple are primed and ready to be conned.
Churchwatcher
‘These songs sing doctrine and use biblical language. They encourage people to think about what they are singing. They muse over the doctrine. This is music.’
This is Hillsong Worship singing ‘Amazing Grace’. Tell me what you find doctrinally unsound in it…
Churchwatcher
I hope this doesn’t upset you, but they sing ‘How Great Thou Art’ as well.
Could you tell me what song/s your anonymous church wrote? Are you just envious of the fact that God has gifted this church with so much talent and resources that they can produce such music, and render the epics so beautifully?
“Are you just envious of the fact that God has gifted this church with so much talent and resources that they can produce such music, and render the epics so beautifully?”
Are you such a child of Satan that you deliberately shun truth and malign people who speak plainly to you?
You’re a follower of Brian Houston not Jesus Christ. We can hear his arguments flowing through you loud and clear. You have elevated him above Jesus Christ as your teacher and are on his wide path to destruction.
It is interesting you still have not told us what gospel you believe.
“Are you just envious of the fact that God has gifted this church with so much talent and resources that they can produce such music….dumb dumbty dumb.”
God is only allowing this church to exist to weed out false converts such as yourself.
@James,
“There are many more passages in the Bible that teach about the gospel I believe in.”
It seems that you are ever learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. How sad that you have so many Bible verses to quote, but no knowledge at all of the One who inspired them (in truth, you are no different to a JW or a mormon in that respect). Since you have no relationship with God beyond that which exists in your own warped imagination, you don’t have a shred of spiritual discernment – which explains why you are quite unable to identify Brian Houston as what he really is.
It’s a pity, but it’s just the way things are – the lake of fire will be full of people just like you: those who have trusted in mere men, rather than in the one true God, who alone is able to save.
What “James” is going to find out, if he hasn’t figured it out already, is people are getting sick and tired of all these lies.
It doesn’t matter whether they’re coming out of Brian Houston’s mouth, or “James”s mouth, lies are lies, no matter who tells them, and enough is enough !!