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It is important for Christians to grasp just how dangerous Darlene Zschech has become in light of her allegiance to Rome and her condemnation of Christians who have spoken out against her worship for the pope. While this article is long, it will be worth your time reading to see how much Zschech has aligned herself to Roman Catholicism by examining her theology.
Pope Francis
A FALSE SPIRIT
Darlene says she can see what “the Holy Spirit is doing around the earth” claiming it “is completely breathtaking.” However, she notes “His role in our experience of following Jesus makes us so very similar.” Notice that this is NOT the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of Truth. While Mrs. Zschech is not zschecking to see if this spirit is the Holy Spirit or another spirit at work, she is elevating this phenomena and “experience” as though it is.
Darlene also states,
“I relate it being a part of a family.. different characteristics, faces, tastes and giftings.. yet a DNA running through our veins that draw us together.”
Once again. No truth. No holiness. Just flights of fancy and delusion at best.
A FALSE STANDARD
Darlene writes,
“A few months ago a very interesting email turned up in my office inviting me… to actually lead songs of worship with others as the Pope called people to prayer and unity.”
A normal Christian would be concerned over this. They would go to God in prayer and to His Word. They would also be diligent in researching what they are involved in due to Roman Catholicism’s colourful history. They would consider if what they are doing is furthering the proclamation of the gospel or doing damage to the truth or personal witness of Christ.
So how did Darlene approach this sensitive issue?
“Most invites I receive, I am unable to say yes to, but when Mark and I feel a peace about it, I go forward very prayerfully and with great expectation for all God will do.”
So what was her standard for attending? Not the bible. Not the Holy Spirit. It was her feeling “a peace about it.”
How reliable are your feelings?
A FALSE UNITY
What’s worse was she fell for the false Ecumenical doctrine of Roman Catholicism. It wasn’t just denominations. It was with other religions such as Roman Catholicism and Judaeism. Different religions are not denominations. This is Darlene Zschech capitalising on people’s ignorance.
“This invite to Rome was about many different denominations coming together to pray for the world we live in. To worship together, to announce the Hope of Jesus to all who will hear.”
This is a false unity. Christianity is united in the central truths on Christ’s teachings. Roman Catholicism and Judaeism do not do this. This is why the song ‘Amazing Grace’ may have been chosen – because it’s a song that leaves the name of Jesus out. So… how can Darlene say she was “there to lift up the name of Jesus?”
Does she not know that the gospel that Christ preached causes controversy and division? Does she not know that when Christ tells us to preach the gospel that the Christian IS judging? How can she claim to lift up Christ but say she “was not there to judge?”
A FALSE WORSHIPER
But she DID judge and CONDEMN. Who did she judge and condemn? The pope for preaching heresies and blasphemies?
No. Darlene decided to pass condemnation on Christians who rightly called her out on her compromise to paganism:
“So, I must say I was completely taken by surprise at the harsh and downright mean comments from Christians who criticised my involvement in the event without any understanding, without any knowledge of why or how I got to be there. Or why I even felt it was important to be present.”
According to Darlene, Christians who spoke against her apostasy are “without any understanding” and are “without any knowledge of why or how I got to be there.” This is a classic Brian Houston maneuver to escape any form of accountability and responsibility and to appeal to those who blindly support Mrs. Zschech.
Darlene – you got there because you are false teacher and are not a Christian. You threw out God’s commandments years ago and have followed “after your own heart and your own eyes, which you […] whore[d] after” (Numbers 15:39). You have not remembered or followed Christ’s commandments and have refused to “be holy to your God” (Numbers 15:40). If Jesus was truly your God, you would realise the danger you are in by embracing Roman Catholic ecumenism.
You claim, you were “not there to become a Catholic” but in the past you claim that you “serve the Catholic Church in its vision to present the gospel.” So tell us how you are not Catholic? You just condemned CHRISTIANS over your decision to sing for Jesus the Pope but claim that you were there “to lift up the name of Jesus.” Which Jesus?
You claim you went there “without any hesitation or compromise,” but you were happy to shake your hand with the pope and condemn Christ’s sheep with the other. Compromise? Really?
Did you HEAR how the pope used “grace” to promote Ecumenism and compromise in his message? Your own words condemn you. The Pope has deceived you into believing this is Christianity and that these people worship Jesus:
“A message was preached about the power of the Holy Spirit at work in our midst, and about the great grace of God which we are all dependent. Pope Francis asked the crowd to declare loudly,’Jesus is Lord’ three times and each time it grew in confidence and intention. Worship was lifted up which had the many thousands of people who attended all singing in free-flowing moments which to be honest, was reminiscent of a time I sang on a John Wimber crusade in New Zealand many years ago.”
You claim, “I have learned over many years, that once Jesus is the centre, anything can happen.” So now you are blaming Jesus for your compromise towards pagan Rome? That is blasphemy, considering the fact that Roman Catholicism teaches that the pope is Jesus veiled in flesh.
It’s people like you that give Christianity a bad name.
Your compromise is as adulterous as the sins of Ancient Israel against God. You are playing the harlot and attributing the name of God to other deities, leading other Christians spiritual prostitution. God’s Word has pronounced this over you like the other apostates in Israel’s rebellious days:
“And the Lord said: “Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught by men,” Isaiah 29:13 (Emphasis ours.)
You write, “So, I must say I was completely taken by surprise at the harsh and downright mean comments from Christians who criticised my involvement in the event without any understanding, without any knowledge of why or how I got to be there. Or why I even felt it was important to be present.”
One can’t help but ask why you’re so quick to judge your critics without any understanding, without any knowledge of why they’re coming to you in concern, or why they felt it was so important to speak out against your actions.
A FALSE HISTORY PRESENTATION
Darlene doesn’t stop there. She appears to treat Roman Catholicism as a legitimate sect of Christianity:
“The truth is that there are parts of every denomination that struggle with historical injustices, and I cannot even fathom some of the abuses and subsequent heartbreak endured due as a result of these actions.”
Here Darlene still insists that Roman Catholicism is a Christian denomination and is downplaying the crimes of pagan Roman Catholicism. The problem is that Zschech does not realise that it was Roman Catholicism that eternally damned and murdered Christians for preaching the saving Gospel of Grace to Jesus.
She then has the audacity to try and convince Christians that Roman Catholicism is seeking after Jesus. She writes,
“But I also know that the word of God says that if people truly seek after God, they will find Him.
( Jeremiah 29:13Amplified Bible (AMP)
13 Then you will seek Me, inquire for, and require Me [as a vital necessity] and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.”
Zschech is misusing Jeremiah 29:13 and using the Roman Catholic ecumenical doctrine and Roman Catholic mysticism to silence critics and to obscure the horrific history of the Roman Catholic institution. While Jeremiah was exposing Israel of following false prophets (like Darlene Zschech) and whoring after other Gods (eg. Pope Francis), Darlene is using Jeremiah’s words to do the exact opposite. She is standing for ecumenism, suggesting that those she has gathered with are seeking “after God.”
An example of what ecumenism looks like.
A FALSE TRUTH
“It all comes down to a seeking heart. And a God, who is seeking us, is NOT defined or intimidated by denomination, liturgy, age or preferences… the TRUTH of our hearts toward Him is what He is after.”
Darlene – Jesus himself says the heart is WICKED. And right now you are committing the downplay fallacy (a deceitful argument) and making God Himself to be a liar.
God says that no one seeks after God, no not one (Romans 3). But here you are encouraging Christians to embrace another god in Jesus’ name. You are elevating the human heart and downplaying God’s holiness to justify your sin.
Jesus said,
“But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.” Matthew 15:19 (Emphais ours.)
After watching you maliciously swipe at Christians and defend your position to sing before a false Jesus, you insist that God looks at the “TRUTH of our hearts toward Him.” What truth is in your heart toward him? Hypocrisy and lies are all we are seeing flowing from your heart.
Admit you made a mistake, repent and return to your crucified saviour who died for your wicked heart and come the realisation that without him, you are wicked. You need to step down as a pastor and leader, pick up God’s Word and reform and submit to who you confess is Lord.
A FALSE MIRACLE
“So yes, I did meet Pope Francis. And yes, I did witness something truly miraculous.”
Did Mrs Zschech witness lying signs and wonders and “feel a peace about” this false “miraculous” unity?
Zschech: “I did meet Pope Francis. And yes, I did witness something truly miraculous.”
She also states,
“Change is happening all over the planet.”
Change is happening all over the planet. But this change is not Christianity. Roman Catholicism is a politically correct pagan religion that presents a false Jesus that will not save someone from their sin.
A FALSE CHRISTIAN
Now Darlene Zschech starts to take off her sheepskin. We hope Darlene really reconsiders what she says here.
“There is a hunger for the truth of being a Christ follower.”
Darlene, it’s a shame people can’t see the truth in you anymore. How can you claim to be a Christian when you exchange the truth of God for a lie? The people you are mingling with love having a form of godliness but deny God’s power. They love the appearance but hate the truth. And because they hate the truth, they invited you.
“and so Christ followers need to be found EVERYWHERE..”
So the Pope’s not Catholic? You’re calling him a Christian Darlene? And you call yourself a Christian pastor and worship leader? What are you worshiping? How did you become a pastor again? How exactly are you proving you’re a Christian who submits to the lordship of Christ by ignoring what God has written?
A FALSE LOVE
“that we will be a witness BY OUR LOVE.”
Darlene has demonstrated again and again that she abhors Christ, His Church and His Word. She also despised Christians by refusing to listen to what they have to say. She is more adamant in elevating the second commandment above the first, thus proving she is an idolater.
The Christian love is a fruit of the GOSPEL that Christ commanded we preach to all nations. But Darlene, you wouldn’t know what love is because the truth of God is not in you. If the truth is in you, why are you pushing a false love through the false Roman Catholic ecumenical doctrine and not contending for the Christian faith?
A FALSE LIGHT
“C’mon church. Isaiah 60 says to ARISE SHINE Thy light has come that even as the earth grows darker,”
C’mon church. 1Corinthians 5 says to “expel/purge the wicked person from among us” unless they repent. Darlene is deliberately hiding the light of Christ and His Word under a bushel by compromising His message and whoring after Rome.
“Christ’s light in us shines brighter.”
Where has truth and light been evident in Darlene’s words and behaviour? Her authority is her feelings, her words are maligning Christians and her beliefs are elevating man and paganism above Christ and His Word. She has ignored the warning of God:
“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.” Isaiah 5:20
Jesus diagnoses this issue that Darlene has by saying “If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!” (Matthew 6:23.) We are called to have nothing to do with darkness but expose them (Ephesians 5:11).
Darlene is hiding the gospel of Christ under a bushel and is calling the darkness, light. The truth of God illuminates, the lie darkens.
“No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, so that those who enter may see the light. Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eye is healthy, your whole body is full of light, but when it is bad, your body is full of darkness. Therefore be careful lest the light in you be darkness. If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light.” Luke 11:33-36 (Emphasis added.)
A FALSE UNDERSTANDING
Darlene said,
“Let’s not be dulled down by a lack of understanding,”
Darlene is suggesting that Christians who spoke against are “dulled down by a lack of understanding?” We’ve pointed out the fact that Darlene does not understand who Jesus is nor understands the dangers of Roman Catholicism.
“[…] or a judgmental attitude.”
But it is Darlene that has had a judgmental attitude against Christians who Protestantly protested her worshiping for the Pope.
She also said,
“I had to continually remind myself that I was there to announce and declare the Kingdom of God,”
What does this mean? What was causing Darlene to forget? What gospel was she presenting? She hasn’t told us anything in depth in regards to how she shared the gospel to anyone. This vague statement offers no insight.
“[…] and not to fault find […]”
Once again – the people she did “fault find” were Christians – not Roman Catholics or the Pope.
“[…] but to be aware and awake to something very precious.”
What does that mean? False teachers always play word games and hide behind meaningless, mystical language – what was ‘precious’?
“And so on we go, hearts and hands ready for all God is calling us into.”
Another meaningless mystical statement that you’d expect a New Age guru to say.
Darlene Zschech ends with this
“Love you all so much xx Darls”
Who is Darlene kidding? She loves everyone except Bible believing Christians.
CONCLUSION
People may think we are harsh with Darlene. However, it is people like her that DEMAND she be followed. She now prides herself as a pastor of Hope Unlimited Church (what hope does she offer?), which means she expects people to SUBMIT to her UNBIBLICAL authority.
Sadly, Darlene is another fraud who likes the benefits of Christianity but does not like the hard responsibility nor the accountability that comes with the office. As soon as she steps out of line, just like other false teachers, they downplay their responsibilities, condemn Christians and insist that we march to the beat of their visions and drums.
In this case, Darlene is playing the harlot for Pagan Rome and telling Christians that Jesus endorses her sins of compromise, peddling Roman Catholic mysticism and ecumenism in the process.
Darlene Zschech writes,
CHANGES
Hey, lovely people.
I am writing this mid-air on my way home from Singapore after an amazing time away speaking, leading worship, writing songs, being with dear friends. It has been wonderful. And, to see what the Holy Spirit is doing around the earth is completely breathtaking. Even in all the expressions that make us different as God’s colourful church, its incredible to me that when the Holy Spirit draws near, His role in our experience of following Jesus makes us so very similar. I relate it being a part of a family.. different characteristics, faces, tastes and giftings.. yet a DNA running through our veins that draw us together.
One of the highlights was finding myself with Mark in Rome. A few months ago a very interesting email turned up in my office inviting me to sing at a beautiful event called the ‘Catholic charismatic renewal’ at St Peters Square, to actually lead songs of worship with others as the Pope called people to prayer and unity.
Most invites I receive, I am unable to say yes to, but when Mark and I feel a peace about it, I go forward very prayerfully and with great expectation for all God will do.
This invite to Rome was about many different denominations coming together to pray for the world we live in. To worship together, to announce the Hope of Jesus to all who will hear. Mark and I felt it was important to say yes this time.
So, I must say I was completely taken by surprise at the harsh and downright mean comments from Christians who criticised my involvement in the event without any understanding, without any knowledge of why or how I got to be there. Or why I even felt it was important to be present.
I was not there to judge, I was not there to become a Catholic, I was not there to sightsee. But I WAS there to lift up the name of Jesus.. without any hesitation or compromise.. for as I have learned over many years, that once Jesus is the centre.. anything can happen.
A message was preached about the power of the Holy Spirit at work in our midst, and about the great grace of God which we are all dependent. Pope Francis asked the crowd to declare loudly,’Jesus is Lord’ three times and each time it grew in confidence and intention. Worship was lifted up which had the many thousands of people who attended all singing in free-flowing moments which to be honest, was reminiscent of a time I sang on a John Wimber crusade in New Zealand many years ago.
There is much I could say in this blog. I will say that it is sad when Christians beat up other Christians with words, and somehow think that it ok to do so. I will say that it is sad when we retreat to immature responses rather than being people of diligent prayer for ALL sectors of the church. The truth is that there are parts of every denomination that struggle with historical injustices, and I cannot even fathom some of the abuses and subsequent heartbreak endured due as a result of these actions.
But I also know that the word of God says that if people truly seek after God, they will find Him.
( Jeremiah 29:13Amplified Bible (AMP)
13 Then you will seek Me, inquire for, and require Me [as a vital necessity] and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.
It all comes down to a seeking heart. And a God, who is seeking us, is NOT defined or intimidated by denomination, liturgy, age or preferences… the TRUTH of our hearts toward Him is what He is after. Not controlled or manufactured, outside in expressions of lives trying to present a Holy life. Jesus, only Jesus is the answer. He takes us as He finds us. He works with us every day, from the inside out, patient and kind in His love for us and His ultimate work in our lives, leading us daily in our life’s purpose.
So yes, I did meet Pope Francis. And yes, I did witness something truly miraculous.
Change is happening all over the planet. There is a hunger for the truth of being a Christ follower, and so Christ followers need to be found EVERYWHERE.. that we will be a witness BY OUR LOVE.
C’mon church. Isaiah 60 says to ARISE SHINE Thy light has come that even as the earth grows darker, Christ’s light in us shines brighter. Let’s not be dulled down by a lack of understanding, or a judgmental attitude. I had to continually remind myself that I was there to announce and declare the Kingdom of God and not to fault find but to be aware and awake to something very precious. And so on we go, hearts and hands ready for all God is calling us into.
Go into ALL the world….
Source: By Darlene Zschech, Changes, DarleneZschech.com, http://darlenezschech.com/2015/07/changes/, 17/07/2015. (Accessed 26/07/2015.)
HEY CHURCH WATCHER THAT LOOKS LIKE A PICTURE OF THE 2013 HILLSONG CONFERENCE??!!
https://churchwatchcentral.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/ecumenism.jpg?w=589&h=185
Swizzle – Appreciate your commenting but no need to SHOUT!
It’s becoming predictable.
Equation of Ecumenicism: when love of the Bible dies/ never existed in first place love of Rome/ desire to be “one church” develops.
Law of Charismania = higher the love of experiences the greater the hatred of Bible/ biblical correction
Equation of Eve: when the woman takes the role of a man in leadership (in contradiction of scripture) spiritual seduction will eventually result*
*if female “pastor” can ignore one clear commandment, others that offend her personally will be ignored also/ extra-biblical revelation received willingly/ positive experiences left unquestioned
Thinker: could you elaborate on what you mean by “spiritual seduction” please? (The part having to do with female leaders). What exactly do you mean by that?
First part of question: Legal definition of seduction: The act by which a man entices a woman to have unlawful sexual relations with him by means of persuasions, solicitations, promises, or bribes without the use of physical force or violence [logically seducing extends to woman/man, same sex/same sex, etc.]
Spiritual seduction: way by which agent of Satan entices Christian – often through sensual/physical experiences – to sin/ embrace false teachings/ choose false teachers/ reject bible/ leave Christianity completely by means of persuading Christian that what they are experiencing/ learning is right, true and lovely – even if it contradicts the bible completely – without forcing the Christian into these false beliefs via spiritual fear and intimidation.
For advanced answer: able to read this book for free. https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1983615W/The_seduction_of_Christianity
What was written in 80s to address cults’ influence on Christianity sadly could be rewritten to address 21st century allegedly Christian churches’ (who use cultic teachings/ methods in “Christianese lingo”.
Second part: Female leaders prove they already self-deceived by taking the pastor role clearly stated in the bible to be MAN’s not WOMAN’s. Audio file: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWq__-Hv5mQ
They have decided that they know better than the bible based upon their feelings. Who convinced them/ what made them decide that? Either themselves (and the heart is desperately wicked) or their spiritual enemy. God would not contradict the bible.
If women “pastors” take the man’s role because they “feel led to”, what’s to stop them from accepting whatever teaching/ experience/ preacher’s message that takes their fancy WHEN – it’s only a matter of time – they get the same positive feelings they *believe* to be from God/ while ignoring the bible?
e.g. Darlene Zschech choosing to sing at a RC event because she felt at peace about it – despite its current ecumenical stance it still declares ANETHEMA on people who believe in Faith ALONE in Christ ALONE i.e. believe the Bible not Roman Catholic Church.
Church Watcher, this article is spot on!!! Thank you for exposing this.
this man thinks he is above god himself, there is only one head of the church and that’s jesus Christ.
It is not surprising that Darlene Zschesch is wandering down the “Ecumenical Road to Rome.” She has been on that road a long while. Recall her involvement in World Youth Day. She has long been a Catholic at-heart. I would recommend referring to her as a ‘Catholic Evangelical’ because it appears at best she is constantly out garnering support for Catholics and the Pope, and not for the true Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Like all of those who are under the sway of the end time antichrist spirit, they always take every opportunity to promote themselves. Darlene has had some 30 years or so to build some ‘street cred’ with people across the denominal divide and especially those young women in the crowd who would want to emulate her.
“One of the highlights was finding myself with Mark in Rome. A few months ago a very interesting email turned up in my office inviting me to sing at a beautiful event called the ‘Catholic charismatic renewal’ at St Peters Square, to actually lead songs of worship with others as the Pope called people to prayer and unity.”
Well, truth be told, she didn’t just “find herself there in Rome…” – she was INVITED and consciously got on a jet plane and went of her own accord! Obviously ‘Pappy’ was conducting a world wide search for compromised dupes to swell the crowd on the platform, and because of her now (probably) global image and influence, he couldn’t have chosen a better dupe than ‘Darlene’.
Bowing down before any ‘image’ is idolatry, and is expressly forbidden by both the Old and New Testaments. Idolatry is what caused ancient Israel to fall time and time again and eventually lead to their captivity in ‘Babylon’. This seems to be a theme that “runs in the (pagan) family”, so let’s not be surprised that it shows up at Hill$ong on a regular basis. “Pyramids, Popes and Prima Donnas” seem to be the order of the day at Hill$ong…
Smiling pictures of her talking with the Pope should cause great alarm and concern to all true believers, but instead, we have Hill$ong senior leadership including such antics as a part of its marketing plan.
How the mighty have fallen (under Satan’s sway) and how proud they are of their ungodly, devilish associations. Brian and Bobby appear foolish enough to even count this series of events as part of their ‘prosperity’ success…
One thing that I have been praying for in relation to Hillsong, that God would send some Spurgeon type preachers to present the hard truths about the Gospel to the myriads of young people who attend the Hillsong services. I have no doubt that this is what they need to hear and hear it sooner rather than later!
So you’re condemning Darlene for aligning herself with the Catholic Church, while you have aligned yourselves with athiests?
Classic churchwatch.
“So you’re condemning Darlene for aligning herself with the Catholic Church, while you have aligned yourselves with athiests?
Classic churchwatch.”
Whatever, DF (Newtaste).
@ DF – By aligning herself with the Vatican, Darlene has condemned herself.
The people here are only highlighting a fact that is a matter of public record, and that from her own socialmedia broadcasts…
Publicity, Publicity, Publicity for Darlene. If I invited her to sing at my Grandparents nursing home or any event where she could too spread the good news to many unsaved I wonder if she would jump on a plane as quickly? Sadly I think not.
The latest ‘wisdom’ from Pope Francis:
“I would like to express two sentiments for my Muslim brothers and sisters: Firstly, my greetings as they celebrate the feast of sacrifice.”
“We need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.”
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=35894
(I’m surprised Brian Houston didn’t come up with that 1st statement first.)
Surely the Pope is aware that Muslims do not believe that Jesus died on the cross?
The Quran claims about the crucifixion:
157And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,” — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: 158But Allah raised him [‘Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. (An-Nisa 4:157-158, Muhsin Khan)1
http://bible-quran.com/jesus-death-cross/
But then again Thinker, Brian believes that “we all serve the same god,” doesn’t he, regardless of which ‘god’ that actually is.
So it could be a ‘Muslim’ god,
or a Roman Catholic (false) god
or maybe it’s a Mormon god
or a Jehovah’s Witness god,
Or maybe it’s just a certain ‘god’ that Brian made up so he could start a ‘church’ and rope lots of people into his ‘ungodly’ deceptions – and then systematically fleece them of all their hard earned ca$h!
YES – it’s gotta be THAT god (Mammon) which is Brian’s favourite god, but he’s probably quite happy to worship just about any god (except the Christian God,) as long as they bring unwitting people, with their money, rushing through the front doors of Hill$ong… for the next carnal and worldly “Sin-Fest” on the annual agenda…
This is what it means to “shake hands” with the Vatican folks – it means that you are Ecumenical to the core, and that you will eventually embrace every god that the Pope and his coterie embrace, or you’re no longer in the game, and will ultimately incur the disfavour of ‘Pappy’.
So it looks like ‘Darlene’ and Brian have slid on down the ‘slippery slope’ of RC involvement, from which there is probably no viable return – except for public and open repentance, of course…
Excuse me, Apollo, but Brian does not believe that we all serve the same god. The clip which showed him saying this was edited from a sermon about how we do NOT serve the same god, as he actually said
“Do you know – take it all the way back into the Old Testament and the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God. Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God. And of course through history, those views have changed greatly. But let’s make sure that we view God through the eyes of Jesus, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the beauty of a Savior, the loving open inclusive arms of a loving God. And that way we’ll lead out of that and you’ll be purposeful about your leadership and you’ll draw people just like the Lord Jesus always does through the power of the Holy Spirit.”
So though I agree with the majority of your points I disagree with the spreading of misinformation. Please educate yourself on context before blindly stating small portions of a whole message.
“Please educate yourself on context before blindly stating small portions of a whole message.”
Maria, Apollo has his own website and he has spent hundreds of hours educating himself. He knows a whole lot more than you and what he says is 100% accurate.
It is you who needs to educate yourself. How many hours have you spent studying these false liars? I bet none.
I have prayed extensively on this, and I honestly can say that I feel you are too harsh in your judgement of our fellow Christians as does not the Bible say that “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9) These are all the requirements to be saved, and from your salvation grows the love of God within you changing you from the inside out. Our world these days is twisted and bitter and we must consider that we may be wrong about some technicality or interpretation, so we must hold tight to the foundations of our faith and know that God sees not the outward apperance but the heart.
Maria I hear the gentleness and grace of Christ in your words. My heart says you know Him and Christ dwells in you that’s why you respond with kindness.
Much of what I’ve read on this site has the same sound as the Pharisees Christ condemned. They wouldn’t enter into Love Himself and using their influence sought to prevent others finding the truth of the Father’s unfailing love.
The Pharisees knew the words of the scriptures well but they did not know the Word Himself. In the blindness and meanness of the spirit binding their hearts they were unable to perceive. Truly it is those imprisoned by the pharisaical spirit that need to repent here.
Jesus called them snakes and vipers and made clear who their true father was. Beware the leaven of the Pharisees! Hypocrisy!
I can see neither the love nor the grace of Christ in what the author of this article has written and hope that Holy Spirit would reveal the hardness of heart and the spirit behind it that is at work here. i see the same in the words of the commenters here as well.
As for Darlene you have no right to speak about her in Christ’s name unless you are governed by Love Himself and clearly you’re not.
Churchwatcher let the love of Christ be evident to all as you’ve been commanded to do especially if you think you’re called to warn His kids.
The gentle humility of Christ draws me to Him. Let His kindness lead us to repentance.
According to your definitions of love and having a Phariseeical spirit:
should passages of the bible which describe and name false teachers be omitted (e.g. Book of Jude)?
Are you going to rebuke Jesus himself? He rebuked certain churches and warned them of coming judgement if they did not repent. See https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+2-3&version=KJV
Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
A true friend tells people what they NEED to hear, even when they know the hearer/ hearer’s supporters might get offended, call them names, even reject them.
Where did Christians get the idea only pleasant words are loving words? Flattering words are deceitful words, said for personal gain/ out of genuine malice towards (potential) victim.
Avoiding telling *needed* unpleasant truths to avoid conflict/ stop negative opinions being formed is SELFISHNESS on the part of the speaker/ typer. It is DOUBT that God will reward those who seek righteousness.
It is time for people like yourself to stop the world’s first commandment ” thou must always be tolerant (except of the intolerant)” and seek to please God first.
Your words are nothing but tolerance cloaked in “real Holy Spirit-filled Christians only ever say nice words” Christianese. Tolerance is not true Godly love. It is a cheap counterfeit.
Watch it thinker! You know the scriptures too well. You might be… a PHARISEE!
You think this website is unloving??
What about FALSE GOSPELS like from hillsong sending people to hell, don’t you think that’s kinda unloving??
Diane get your act together.
Diane Randles – the Truth is so clear and the false teaching so obvious, it’s hard to always “speak the truth in love, as we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ”. Defending teachers or teaching that sends people to hell is not speaking the truth in love.
Who are the “divisive” ones? Is it those who defending proper doctrine or those preaching false doctrine?
Romans 16:17 “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.”
Diane, Paul says to avoid those causing divisions by teaching false doctrine! He’s not saying to protect the false teachers from those of us who practice discernment.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Thinker said “…Your words are nothing but tolerance cloaked in “real Holy Spirit-filled Christians only ever say nice words” Christianese. Tolerance is not true Godly love. It is a cheap counterfeit.”
I don’t speak Christianese. Perhaps if I’d described those here whose words are not tempered by love as “Pus-sucking Pharisees” you wouldn’t have made the mistake of thinking me tolerant!
Percy said “…Diane get your act together”.
With the help of Christ’s love and guidance my purpose is to ‘get my act together’ as it should be for all of us who profess we belong to Him. I hope for your own sake you’re doing the same Percy. The only way you can be sure you’re on track with Christ’s purpose in discerning and exposing false doctrine is to know your heart is governed by His love. He loves you Percy and He loves Darlene. Even though one of you is wrong!
Team Churchwatch said “…it’s hard to always “speak the truth in love, as we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ”.
It absolutely is hard to always do that but if we speak in the tongues of men and of angels but don’t have love we’re just a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. In fairness to you, I’ve only read the above article posted on this site but Churchwatcher I heard gongs and cymbals! Darlene is a treasure desired by Christ’s heart just as you are and I didn’t hear His heart for her in one word you wrote.
You too should be careful lest the light in you be darkness Churchwatcher.
“Darlene is a treasure desired by Christ’s heart just as you are”
Dianne, the Lord does not value FALSE TEACHERS like you do. He rebuked them, while you instead are rebuking the ones holding to Scripture including Churchwatcher.
Somebody’s lying. Is that you Dianne?
No I’m not lying Percy because He said He’s not willing that ANY should perish. He values Darlene and wants her in eternity with Him, I have absolutely no doubt of that.
The main thing here is to compare any person’s actions in light of Scripture. If a person is aligning themselves with a movement/philosophy/belief system/religion, whatever term anyone wishes to use, if they claim to be acting in the name of Jesus Christ then their actions and words need to be compared with Scripture and if they are at odds with the Bible then they need to be made aware of this. This needs to be done with the right mixture of biblical truth, love and humility, now, how the person who is being made aware of this reacts to that is no reflection on the messenger if they have pointed out the inconsistency in a reasonably fair manner. The problem in a lot of churches these days is that too many Christians have been conditioned into pulling out the judgement card in response to any observation or comment that raises an issue. There have been some very relevant and important observations made on this blog and most of them bear serious evaluation and consideration.
All this turmoil in the body of Christ is causing issues and is going to cause alot of problem, pls stick to the Word Of God and of Jesus not doctrines for they are false prophets