Tags
Bible Society Propaganda Rag, cult, Hillsong bullies, Hillsong cult, liars, lie, slander, sledge, sledgesong, tanya, tanya levin, The Bible Society
Tanya Levin just released a new letter she received from Hillsong cult elder, George Aghajanian.
Notice the false accusation made by Hillsong in this letter where they say Levin “caused significant disruption to the meetings you attended”.
“We refer to your prior attendance at Hillsong Church and associated conferences where you have caused significant disruption to the meetings you attended.
As a result of your conduct, we require that you immediately and permanently cease to enter any of our Church properties or any property that is hired or utilized for the purposes of facilitating a Church event or activity.
– Your right as a member of the public to enter into any of our private premises is unequivocally withdrawn;
– You are not permitted to enter any of our Church properties;
– If you choose to ignore this notice and enter any of our Church properties or events, we will ask you to leave and further reserve the right to pursue an action for trespass. We may immediately notify the police of your breach of this Banning Notice;
– For the purpose of clarification, Church properties include any property associated with the religious services or administration of Hillsong Church, including but not limited to buildings located at 1-5 Solent Circuit, Baulkham Hills NSW 2153.
You may be also prosecuted should you fail to comply with this Banning Notice.
Regards
George Aghajanian
General Manager
This level of integrity displayed fom Hillsong does not surprise us. In fact, we’re expecting another defaming and unChristian article from Hillsong’s propaganda “Bible” Society rag against Tanya Levin.
Let the sledge BEGIN!
Hillsong Church Watch 
Hi CW – I’m wondering about the fine details of Tanya Levin’s ‘trespassing’ incident…
Since reading this short thread, I’ve Googled what the law says in NSW about banning notices. Some of it looks pretty cut and dried, but other sections seem to put the onus on the behaviour of security guards.
Depending on what happened on the day, their actions alone could overturn any case that Hillsong believes that it has. Of course, Tanya herself may not wish/may not be able to comment, because the matter is before the courts.
However, if there is an extra element (such as discrimination) then she may well have a viable defence and even a counter claim. I do hope so.
The following link comes from a legal advice service, specifically designed for youth, but some of the scenarios outlined there may have some teeth. Let’s hope so:
Click to access youth-justice-10.pdf
Scroll down to pages 189, 190 and 191 to see for yourselves.
Also, I’m wondering if the Chanel 9 TV crew were also arrested and charged with trespassing, or not?
Finally, it is an utter disgrace for Hill$ong to take this action against a former congregant, who grew in the movement.
I hope that the good Lord will literally ‘turn the tables’ on Hill$Rong, and give them
a bad outcome to all of this nonsense, which they diserve…
The best thing that Brian Houston could do, would be to drop the charges and apologize publically, for this disgraceful attack upon this woman, before it is too late.
Tanya, even though you aren’t a believer in the Lord at this time, I believe that God is with you… believe that 🙂
“However, if there is an extra element (such as discrimination) then she may well have a viable defence and even a counter claim.”
Well after Houston’s behaviour towards her and ACA at the conference and his false media statement among other things, Tanya Levin should have a good defense.
“Well after Houston’s behaviour towards her and ACA at the conference and his false media statement among other things, Tanya Levin should have a good defense.”
HOGWASH churchwatch. A couple of posts ago you were saying that infringing a trademark is irrelevant based on the time when Jesus was on the earth or something like that about sueing people blah blah.
Now your saying Tanya has an argument for litigation.
Pull the other leg churchwatch.
Clearly your arguments are to suit yourself and boosting your own blog. What tripe.
Hey CrackerJack, I’ve seen some pointless comments in my time, but your offering is something else again.
Do you have a point that you wish to make, and in support of which you can enumerate relevant facts in a logical and coherent manner? Or are you hoping to become a “preacher” in the mould of Brian Houston?
They only thing that looks tragic around here is this desperate website.
Not sure what kicks you are getting out of it? Seems to be some self righteous pride thing going on i would say.
Hey morrie we learnt from you. After you keep hammering your fellow christians
Just to digress..with your permission: In your previous articles you mentioned some churches/Christians using “fake bible” versions…eg NLT? Which others are to avoid? I got turned off from NIV, NLT-never read it..it looked too paraphrased like the Living Bible. .. I love HCBS.. sometimes ESV for in depth study. But struggle to read aloud with someone trying to explain what the text is saying… Can you recommend a website that gives scholarly comparison?
I was thinking recently to join Christian online dating agency. I’m single..so I thought let’s see who is there..I noticed that on people’s denominations profile reads… Anglican, Catholic, Assembly of God, Pentecostal, Baptist, Hillsong and the list goes on.. I didn’t know that Hillsong is a denomination.. I thought they belong to AoG / ACC…wouldn’t it better they just break up with ACC and have their own denomination? Maybe our friends on CW can give BH bit of advise.
“I love HCBS.”
orthodoxy, you might want to check out the audio hcsb. its one of my favorites.. the reader speaks well though its not dramatized and i would prefer dramatized. anyway i think i bought mine at audiobibledownloads, but since then i found there are a couple of other options, nfg
http://www.audiobibledownloads.com/holman-christian-standard-bible
https://www.bible.com/en/app
http://www.lifeway.com/Product/hcsb-digital-audio-bible-old-and-new-testament-P005634885
To NFG..
Thanks for your tip. I tried listening HCBS audio on Bible Gateway .. By Dale McConachey and find his voice /accent very annoying..I prefer Max McLean on ESV…I will check your suggestion…cheers!
Hi CW – I’m also wondering if there are any ‘interesting’ stories about “Uncle George” floating about???
Where does he get on and off the Hill$ong express…?
Who cares apollo? Why dont you stop your keyboard warrior antics and get out into your community that needs you instead of trying to tear others down.
I love how you’ve been brainwashed into thinking that “critics” aren’t involved in the community or living fruitful, prosperous lives.
So you’d like a ‘resume’ would you Shelia – in the last 10 years –
1. Volunteered at 2 church food outreach programs for the poor,
2. Worked with a local church to outreach into a ‘nightclub’ district for 1 year,
3. Volunteered at a community centre for 5 years and helped write an updated training manual for volunteers at same,
4. Last 8 years out of 10, visited various charity meals/outlets to connect with the poor, including one church based one that has existed for more than 10 years,
5. Done running repairs on poor people’s possessions – free of charge – last 10 years,
6. Used my car (when I had one) to take poor people to appointments etc – on and off for 7 years out of 10.
7. Distributed Gospel tracts and occasional newsletters sharing the good news and other Christian based news. last 5 years. Often spoke to people about the Lord and the things of God.
8. Helped support single mums and their kids in various ways and means.
Not involved with my community???
As you can see Shelia, I’ve been a very busy boy around God’s Kingdom and in terms of outreach to the unsaved too, and I give the glory to God for all of the above.
As Paul says “I will only boast in the Lord”. They are not my works, they are the doors that were open to me at the time, and several still are… but I’m not here to build my own kingdom – that’s down to Brian and Co.
He is ‘king’ to you and you are obviously one of his ‘subjects’ – enjoy that if you can…
“Who cares apollo? Why dont you stop your keyboard warrior antics and get out into your community that needs you instead of trying to tear others down.”
Er, uh, ‘Shelia’, Let’s have a look at your ‘service’ resume, since it was you who antagonistically brought this up.
Nice one Apollo. You do all that and then at night you come here and tear down your good works by harassing any person that comments in a way that you don’t agree with.
Come on – you can do better than that.
“by harassing any person that comments in a way that you don’t agree with.”
Which you’ve been doing on these websites since you arrived. Nice try.
“Come on – you can do better than that.”
Honestly I haven’t seen you do anything good at all. Only toot your horn like you’re some hotshot, while soliciting for Brian Houston, but with no Bible substance to back it up. Just your arguing.
Hillsong is fantastic. Brian Houston is a great leader in the Christian denomonations anywhere.
The best thing is I think he rides a harley! Do you guys ride harleys? Harleys are so cool. If you don’t ride a harley you haven’t really lived have you?
What sort of bikes do you guys ride? I hope it isn’t a Suzuki. They can be so average. You guys have Suzuki’s don’t you?
“Do you guys ride harleys?”
I’ve harley ever been on a motorbike in my life. (Motorbikes are actually a lot like Brian’s “preaching”: one might enjoy the ride, but it can ultimately prove very injurious to one’s health…)
Sometimes we may be tempted to look down on other parts of the church, other denominations or other Christians and wish they were more like us! If only they did things more like us they would be ‘proper’ Christians or ‘better’ Christians! In thinking like this we are, in effect, denying that faith in Jesus is enough.
This is what was happening to the churches in Galatia. They were being told that their faith in Jesus was not enough. If they wanted to be ‘real’ Christians, they needed to be circumcised.
The early church was facing a potential crisis, and the apostle Paul had to use every ounce of his skill, diplomacy and courage to avoid a damaging division and split in the church
Paul wants to make clear that he acted under the guidance and activity of the Holy Spirit: ‘I went in response to a revelation’ (v.2). Paul was convinced of the validity of the gospel he preached, but was also concerned for unity: ‘I did this in private with the leaders… so that our concern would not become a controversial public issue’ (v.2, MSG).
He took with him two friends: Barnabas and Titus. Barnabas was a Jew and Titus was a Greek (an uncircumcised Gentile). For a first-century Jew there were two kinds of people in the world: Jewish and Greek (circumcised and uncircumcised).
Gazza – Why are you using the Message translation?
“Gazza – Why are you using the Message translation?”
What is your interpretation of it based on your recommended translation?
or is the Message translation correct in this instance?
Circumcision was a sign that marked out a Jew, in accordance with God’s command in Genesis 17:9–14. It signified God’s covenant with his chosen people.
Yet, Paul chose Titus as one of his companions. ‘Significantly, Titus, non-Jewish though he was, was not required to be circumcised’ (Galatians 2:3, MSG).
Paul’s point in the section that follows is that the Jerusalem apostles (James, Peter and John) agreed that the good news of Jesus Christ was for everyone: Jew and Gentile, circumcised and uncircumcised.
“This is what was happening to the churches in Galatia. They were being told that their faith in Jesus was not enough. If they wanted to be ‘real’ Christians, they needed to be circumcised.”
Fast forward to today, and we have a bumper crop of heretical hirelings who constantly harangue their followers re. a supposed obligation to “honour God with one’s finances” by tithing and so forth. In this respect it is abundantly clear that Brian Houston is nothing more than a money-worshipping latter-day judaizer whose idolatry has left him estranged from God. And if he doesn’t repent, he’s going to burn.
“Sometimes we may be tempted to look down on other parts of the church”
And sometimes we may be tempted to look down on pseudo-Christian prosperity cults and the compulsive liars and lowlife scumbags who run them.
Only reply to half the comment morrie. Thats the way to go as makes you look good.
Take it out of context.
Nice behaviour matey. Classic troll behaviour.
“Only reply to half the comment morrie. Thats the way to go as makes you look good.”
Only use half your brain when drafting comments, Shelia. That’s the way to make yourself look like a disciple of Brian Houston.
Yeah thanks for the half brain attack morrie.
this sentence sums up this whole website.
Sometimes we may be tempted to look down on other parts of the church, other denominations or other Christians and wish they were more like us! If only they did things more like us they would be ‘proper’ Christians or ‘better’ Christians! In thinking like this we are, in effect, denying that faith in Jesus is enough.
It’s a disgrace.
And you call yourselves Christians?
Christians fighting Christians – the devil must be lapping that up.
But no – keep the harassment going. Approve the comments that attack people and keep the devil happy.
“Christians fighting Christians – the devil must be lapping that up.”
Where do you get your definition of a Christian? The Bible or Hillsong?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/10/19/how-does-the-bible-define-a-christian/
Matthew 7: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that *doeth the will of my Father* which is in heaven. (Read whole passage: Matthew 7:15-23)
“Brian Houston is a great leader in the Christian denomonations anywhere…”
Really? Let’s see – various alleged activities/incidents/events/cover ups, a tax free empire, beach side property, lavish lifestyle + international travel, the Royal Commission, no real financial accountability, importing false teachers by the dozen, shaking hands with the Vatican… oh, and yes, there’s the ‘Harley’ too… let’s hope the wheels don’t fall off all of that…
No, @Burnout, I had to trade in my Suzuki on a push bike, but that didn’t make me compromise the faith that was once for all handed to the saints…
“I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 1:3,4
Brian traded his faith in on the Harley… and has been rewarded in this life for doing so…
Now, don’t you do any ‘burnouts’ in the Hill$ong car park… you could stir up enough dust for you to choke on! 🙂
“tax free empire” – all churches are this and allowed by the government
“Beach side property” – lots of people own a beachside property. Where is the sin in this?
“Lavish lifestyle” – Which part is lavish? Where are the details? Does he have more than 1 coffee a day?
“International travel” – millions of people travel internationally – Where is the sin in this?
“Royal Commission” – what’s wrong with a Royal Commission? Isn’t this required to find out what happened? Did the results of the Royal Commission find him guilty?
“No real financial accountability” – Where the proof of this? There is a board. All Company boards are accountable to others on the board. Standard business practice.
“importing false teachers by the dozen” – False teachers in who’s eyes? Since when did churchwatch make the rules about who is false and who isn’t?
“shaking hands with the Vatican” – what’s wrong with shaking hands with people? Jesus did more than shake hands with people.
“Owns a Harley” – What’s wrong with a ‘Harley’? lots of people own Harley’s. They aren’t that expensive. You can pick one up from less than 5K. It’s just a motorbike. Thousands of people ride Harleys.
Your arguments lack specific facts, specific events and specific details. They are weak arguments and apart from a few misrepresentations and communication issues – they lack substance.
Just because you sacrificed your Suzuki for a pushbike doesn’t make you a better Christian. Which part of the bible say’s – sacrifice your suzuki and ride your push bike? Doesn’t the true gospel say give 1 tenth?
@Peter – you should really read more of the blog before you comment here again…
“tax free empire” – all churches are this and allowed by the government.”
Churches and other organisations that are registered as a charity or have PBI status (Public Benevolent Institution,) are allowed the tax concessions or alternatively, tax deductible donations, in Australia.
“Beach side property” – lots of people own a beach side property. Where is the sin in this?
Beach side property and many other materialistic gains are not necessarily sinful, they only become sinful, if you love them more than God.
“Lavish lifestyle” – Which part is lavish? Where are the details? Does he have more than 1 coffee a day?
Cups of coffee are not ‘lavish’ (not even the ones from Gloria Jeans!) but living high on the hog, and purchasing goods and services beyond your immediate needs could be seen as extravagant/lavish.
“International travel” – millions of people travel internationally – Where is the sin in this?
Who paid for the travel, and was it/is it legit,(for church/ministry purposes) or is it just another “holy-day” in order to get those rather large “let’s honour the ‘pastor’ offerings” that often come from that famous international preaching circuit, that many preachers know so well?
“Royal Commission” – what’s wrong with a Royal Commission? Isn’t this required to find out what happened? Did the results of the Royal Commission find him guilty?
There’s nothing wrong with the Royal Commission, provided that those who took the witness stand told the truth, and didn’t proactively cover anything up at the time that alleged sins/crimes were committed – nothing wrong with it at all!
“No real financial accountability” – Where the proof of this? There is a board. All Company boards are accountable to others on the board. Standard business practice.”
When people have asked Brian or Uncle George if they could see the books, the answer was sometimes “yes” but when they went to meet with them, no books of account were on seen to be on display. So much for ‘accountability’.
“importing false teachers by the dozen” – False teachers in who’s eyes? Since when did churchwatch make the rules about who is false and who isn’t?”
It’s the Bible that makes up the ‘rules’ in relation to false prophets and false teachers – start reading at Matthew 7:13+ and read on – Google the words – “false teacher/prophet” and read the ‘rules’ for yourself @Peter…
“shaking hands with the Vatican” – what’s wrong with shaking hands with people? Jesus did more than shake hands with people.”
Jesus never shook hands with the Pharisees – He knew what was in their hearts, and could see well beyond their hypocrisy, their religious costumes and their pretense at religious duty.
“Owns a Harley” – What’s wrong with a ‘Harley’? lots of people own Harley’s. They aren’t that expensive. You can pick one up from less than 5K. It’s just a motorbike. Thousands of people ride Harleys.”
Millions of people worship their possession – that is idolatry – not ‘prosperity’. How much did Brian’s ‘Harley’ cost @Peter? Do you know?
“Your arguments lack specific facts, specific events and specific details. They are weak arguments and apart from a few misrepresentations and communication issues – they lack substance.”
@Peter – you obviously haven’t read much of, or any of the rest of this blog, as you would have the answers to these and many other questions that you are obviously yet to ask…
“Just because you sacrificed your Suzuki for a pushbike doesn’t make you a better Christian. Which part of the bible say’s – sacrifice your suzuki and ride your push bike?”
I never owned a Suzuki @Peter – that was your fantasy and put down attitude which conjured up Suzukis, as compared to ‘Harleys’. I wonder where that proud and arrogant attitude springs from?
“”
The Old Testament teaches tithing, but the New Testament teaches that we should be cheerful givers, and that we are to give to bless others that are in need, not to gain selfishly for ourselves, as in the “100 fold return” scams that have bled many people dry..
For a full rundown on tithing, see http://www.tithingtruth.com
Peter these are the most important issues:
“importing false teachers by the dozen” – False teachers in who’s eyes? Since when did churchwatch make the rules about who is false and who isn’t?
Do those invited always preach what the bible teaches IN CONTEXT / in accord with biblical doctrine? Does Hillsong value good biblical teachers or good speakers?
e.g. in the past why did Hillsong allow T.D.Jakes – a modalist (denies trinity, teaches 3 three *manifestations* of one God NOT Christian doctrine of one God, three persons) preaching in their church if they (supposedly) are a Christian church?
“shaking hands with the Vatican” – what’s wrong with shaking hands with people? Jesus did more than shake hands with people.
are you aware that the Roman Catholic church adds to / distorts what the bible teaches e.g. pronounces anathema on those who preach faith alone through Christ alone?
Q: Did Jesus shake hands with the Pharisees and Saducees and act as if they were his allies to the Jewish people? Or did he publically rebuke them and reveal what was in their hearts? Did the apostles tolerate false teachers if “they got results” (large groups)?
A: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=KJV.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/blogs/matthew-s-harmon/how-gospel-centered-churches-handle-false-teaching-and-false-teachers-titus-1-10-16.html
“importing false teachers by the dozen” – False teachers in who’s eyes? Since when did churchwatch make the rules about who is false and who isn’t?”
False teachers in the eyes of something called the Bible. Those yucks Brian Houston brings in to Hillsong Conference. And those yucks Brian Houston insists on ‘taping’ like Mark Driscoll. They’re false teachers comparing their ‘teachings’ to something called the Bible. You should read it sometime.
“Royal Commission” – what’s wrong with a Royal Commission? Isn’t this required to find out what happened?”
Why is it none of the other pastors I know need to testify before the Royal Commission? What’s wrong? None of this should have ever happened in the first place.
“Doesn’t the true gospel say give 1 tenth?”
NO! Try proving it using the New Testament, Big Mouth.
“What’s wrong with a ‘Harley’? lots of people own Harley’s. They aren’t that expensive. You can pick one up from less than 5K. It’s just a motorbike. Thousands of people ride Harleys.”
Yeah but his point was thousands of pastors don’t get paid $300k like Brian Houston. And provide careers for half their family members at the same institution.
http://store.hillsong.com/media/bobbie’s-and-my-financess-a-letter-from-brian-houston
300k aint that much when your organisation is pulling over 10mill a year.
Most corporate ceo’s of a similar calibre are on million dollar packages.
300k is chicken feed.
I think you are out of touch with the reality of the corporate world.
“300k aint that much when your organisation is pulling over 10mill a year. 300k is chicken feed.”
Chicken feed to whom? Most of the pastors I have known in the past would not have been able to afford a $5k bike. I have heard some of the most sincere pastors make comments like they felt blessed to have a full tank of gas.
“Most corporate ceo’s of a similar calibre are on million dollar packages.”
That’s the whole point. Hillsong is not a church, it is a corporate business. Like you inferred, Brian Houston is not a pastor, he is a ceo. Why don’t you start a campaign to land Brian Houston that $5m package you think he ‘deserves’?
“I think you are out of touch with the reality of the corporate world.”
I think you are out of touch with the teachings of Jesus in the Bible.
But you aint keeping it in perspective bro.
If you live in a western world on an average salary you are a billionaire compared to a homeless person in india or similar.
See everything is relative matey. You get the gist yet? Your arguement lacks depth bro because the amount preachers earn is relative to their sctions or nonactions bigboy.
Dont you see how you are misleading people with your superficial mumbo jumbo and weak baseless facts?
“I think you are out of touch with the reality of the corporate world.”
Oh yeah, right – the “corporate world”. So sorry, obviously many here are forgetting that Jesus didn’t really come to die as a ransom for many; his true mission was to set up a corporate empire on earth in God’s name. But you know Shelia, for the life of me, I just can’t remember any verses in the Bible that are apropos – could you please point them out for us?
“300k is chicken feed.”
Actually, in this case it’s remuneration for a goat.
“Most corporate ceo’s [sic] of a similar calibre […]”.
I’m having trouble typing this – you’ve got me laughing so hard I can’t see through all the tears. Where to begin with this little gem of wisdom? Firstly, most corporate CEOs are nothing to write home about. Secondly, Brian Houston is, in any case, a long way removed from being someone who could be compared to a CEO, whether corporate or otherwise. It never ceases to amaze me just how many clueless morons like yourself continually appear out of the woodwork to defend Brian – aren’t there any intelligent people in his cult at all?
“Dont you see how you are misleading people with your superficial mumbo jumbo …”
I’m sorry, you must be talking about Brian Houston’s “preaching”, is that right?
Tell us, Shelia: are you on the “broad road” like Brian said you should be?
“But you aint keeping it in perspective bro.
If you live in a western world on an average salary you are a billionaire compared to a homeless person in india or similar.
See everything is relative matey.”
SO what you’re saying is Brian Houston making $300k in Australia is normal compared to a pastor in Europe making $50k. You’re the one taking things out of perspective.
“Your arguement lacks depth bro because the amount preachers earn is relative to their sctions or nonactions bigboy.”
SO you’re saying Jesus was inactive. Luke 9:58 “And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.” The fact is your arguments lack the Scriptures.
“Dont you see how you are misleading people with your superficial mumbo jumbo and weak baseless facts?”
NOW you’re claiming ‘facts are baseless.’ Yet facts ARE the basis for arguments. You think my link was ‘superficial mumbo jumbo’, but that was facts provided BY HILLSONG. Where are your links? Where are your facts?
That is truly funny. Brian Houston is the one you should be asking about “misleading people with your superficial mumbo jumbo” since he eisegetes junk from the Bible that’s not in there. Not me.
Also why don’t you give us your ‘proof’ on tithing from the New Testament? Show us ‘how the disciples tithed.’ You can’t haha.
Freedom from the law of Old Testament taxation is not freedom to give less. It is freedom to give in the ways and the amounts that properly reflect our deep, abiding love and gratitude for our Father and His Kingdom.
It should reflect our desire to give to Him with the same sacrificial abandon that He gave to us when He sent His son to rescue us from Hell. We are now free to make sacrificial, love offerings to Him, not just pay a bill we are told we owe Him.
So, go and be free from the law and let the law of love direct you in the size and amount of your freewill offerings to your Father. And in so doing both God and you will love watching you turn into a truly cheerful giver!
Exactly what Hillsong promotes – freely give and freely receive – and you clowns think you have all the answers when really all you are is bitter because:
– you didn’t think if it first
– you didn’t record songs and sell them to make oodles of cash
– you fell for the ‘give all your money to hillsong’ and should have given it to others instead
– you don’t do the international travel gig but sit behind your keyboard and be a keyboard warrior instead of getting out there and practicing what you preach
– you don’t drive a harley – but have to ride a pushbike…….
“Exactly what Hillsong promotes – freely give and freely receive – and you clowns think you have all the answers when really all you are is bitter because:”
No, We’re not the ones calling for “tithing”, Brian is!! Stop lying and admit the truth. Brian has used the word “tithes” many times. You and Brian are the clowns!
Haha Sheila spouting more superficial mumbo jumbo. Your bluff did not prove tithing in the New Testament! Just empty talk. And you cannot admit you are wrong! GIVE THE NEW TESTAMENT PROOF OF TITHING. You cant haha!
Yet you still go listen to his lies weekly? You are SOOO foolish girl.
@Shelia,
“Freedom from the law of Old Testament taxation is not freedom … ”
That is what you wrote – “Freedom … is not freedom”. Jesus died to set us free, but now you are telling us that we are not free – not really. You thus make the Word of God of no effect, and you call God Himself a liar. Coincidentally, this is that very same thing that false teachers do. You have well and truly run your colours up the mast as being an unregenerate who remains a slave to sin, and who furthermore insists that everyone else should likewise submit to the same bondage, rather than trusting in the finished work of the cross.
You are not merely someone who is very confused; you are someone who is sick in the mind and dead in the spirit. You have the bare-faced presumption to lecture others here when you yourself are deeply mired in a stinking morass of half-truths and outright lies, and you present as both an object lesson and a stark warning regarding the dangers presented by the twisted ravings of that self-interested apostate Brian Houston. And that’s a fact.
Peter these are the most important issues:
“importing false teachers by the dozen” – False teachers in who’s eyes? Since when did churchwatch make the rules about who is false and who isn’t?
Do those invited always preach what the bible teaches IN CONTEXT / in accord with biblical doctrine? Does Hillsong value good biblical teachers or good speakers?
e.g. in the past why did Hillsong allow T.D.Jakes – a modalist (denies trinity, teaches 3 three *manifestations* of one God NOT Christian doctrine of one God, three persons) preaching in their church if they (supposedly) are a Christian church?
“shaking hands with the Vatican” – what’s wrong with shaking hands with people? Jesus did more than shake hands with people.
are you aware that the Roman Catholic church adds to / distorts what the bible teaches e.g. pronounces anathema on those who preach faith alone through Christ alone?
Q: Did Jesus shake hands with the Pharisees and Saducees and act as if they were his allies to the Jewish people? Or did he publically rebuke them and reveal what was in their hearts? Did the apostles tolerate false teachers if “they got results” (large groups)?
A:Matthew chapter 23, Jude chapter 1.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/blogs/matthew-s-harmon/how-gospel-centered-churches-handle-false-teaching-and-false-teachers-titus-1-10-16.html
@Shelia:
“It should reflect our desire to give to Him with the same sacrificial abandon that He gave to us when He sent His son to rescue us from Hell. We are now free to make sacrificial, love offerings to Him, not just pay a bill we are told we owe Him.”
Tithing in the New Testament is tantamount to working for your salvation – you can’t work for it as it has already been paid for.
We ‘freely give’ as an outworking for our salvation, not in order to earn it…
See http://www.tithingtruth.com for a full overview of tithing in both the OT and NT…
@Shelia:
“Exactly what Hillsong promotes – freely give and freely receive – and you clowns think you have all the answers when really all you are is bitter because:
– you didn’t think if it first
– you didn’t record songs and sell them to make oodles of cash
– you fell for the ‘give all your money to hillsong’ and should have given it to others instead
– you don’t do the international travel gig but sit behind your keyboard and be a keyboard warrior instead of getting out there and practicing what you preach
– you don’t drive a Harley – but have to ride a pushbike…….”
No @Shelia – we don’t do any of those things that your favourite “false profits” do… We don’t have idolatry, greed or lasciviousness in our hearts… do you?
Is that why you are so eager to approve “The Life of Brian” Shelia? Because you both serve the same false gods of Mammon, and Baal – disguised as ‘prosperity’ and ‘notoriety’? Or is it just plain, good old fashioned ignorance, coupled with arrogance???
For a while you were ending every post by asking if Brian was going to have another video of one of his sermons pulled from YouTube. He hasn’t, despite your trolling. Which didn’t work so you moved onto other viciousness.
“we’re expecting another defaming and unChristian article from Hillsong’s propaganda “Bible” Society rag”
Is this your new signature. Will every post close with this line?
Surprising you haven’t started a bible society watch page, and that you haven’t done a feature drivel on their purchase of Koorong.
Has Apollo ever written anything you haven’t agreed with? He seems to be the church watch lap dog and yes man, just applauding every defamatory post and basking in your reciprocal adulation.
“Is this your new signature. Will every post close with this line?”
Our signature? It’s Brian Houston that tells us that “God” “blesses” Hillsong when media report well of him and that the “enemy” “defames” Hillsong when media report ill of him.
The Bible Society are on our watch for their false organisation that they are, defending cults and promoting heretics and spiritual crooks and such a misleading Christian title.
They are nothing but Australia’s EIC mouthpiece and should be ashamed of their staff.
“Surprising you haven’t started a bible society watch page, and that you haven’t done a feature drivel on their purchase of Koorong.”
We’ve been monitoring this and working on it. Thank you for reminding us of those articles.
“Has Apollo ever written anything you haven’t agreed with?”
Yes.
“He seems to be the church watch lap dog and yes man, just applauding every defamatory post”
And you call us defamatory?
Hi folks – it’s just your local friendly ‘churchwatch lap dog and yes man’ calling in to say Hi!
And “yes”, I just love to say YES to Jesus, every time He gives me answers to other people’s very misguided questions and wayward comments on the blog – that’s a BIG yes…
And as for being a ‘lap dog’, well I just love laying by that river of life that comes from the throne of God, and lapping up every bit of grace and truth that flows on down past me from His word, as revealed by the Holy Spirit…
“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”
Rev 22:17
“Which didn’t work so you moved onto other viciousness.”
Referring to pointing out error (which is biblically COMMANDED by the way) as ‘viciousness’, shows how brainwashed you are.
“Surprising you haven’t started a bible society watch page”
More surprising is that you are still worshiping Brian Houston @ Newtaste.
“applauding every defamatory post”
Just because you @ Newtaste refuse to recognize the truth does not make the truth defamatory. It just shows how stubborn you are.
“He seems to be the church watch lap dog and yes man, just applauding”
Apollo seems to post what he wants. But speaking of “yes men” and “applauding”, isn’t that what you do for Brian Houston? Hypocrite.
“Referring to pointing out error (which is biblically COMMANDED by the way) as ‘viciousness’, shows how brainwashed you are.”
THAT’S a good one coming from the moderators of this website….how many responses are attacks on others?
Just about all of them.
“THAT’S a good one coming from the moderators of this website….how many responses are attacks on others?
Just about all of them.”
What’s really a ‘good one’ is YOUR OWN personal attacks against the truth!
And in your arrogance you still can’t answer my question. Dodgy, dodgy!
It’s official – this website is just created out of spite.
It even attacks people regardless of what they say and makes fun of them even if they don’t stand up for Hillsong. Please explain – How is that loving? (Let me guess – another response will be an attack on proposing love – yep it’s a troll site)
There are no facts in this website – it is all hearsay. They say there are pages and pages of facts on how bad Hillsong is – yet I have read through all of them and double checked the so called facts and every single issue is simply an interpretation of events.
I can’t understand why you dudes are so jealous of Hillsong. Must be the money thing.
Of course people interpret news stories different ways. e.g. someone’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter. That doesn’t change the *fact* an alleged offender has performed terrorist acts.
Recent example: Brian Houston invited the controversial ex-pastor Mark Driscoll to the recent Sydney Hillsong conference. (Google results: lots of stories about sexism, verbal/ emotional/ spiritual abuse et. al.) Lots of protests and online petitions did not make one bit of difference.
Only after the secular media got hold of the story did Brian Houston *appear* to change his mind. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/07/hillsong-church-drops-controversial-us-preacher-mark-driscoll-from-conferences
Appear was the word. Live interview did not occur as promised. However a pre-recorded interview between Houston and Driscoll was played instead. So much for “dropped”.
Sheila I am curious how a Hillsong supporter defends the above very recent event:
1. Are you happy that Hillsong put the interests of a self-confessed abusive ex-pastor above his survivor’s needs?
2. Are you OK with Houston omitting facts *on purpose* that would lead people to reach a different conclusion? Should that be the conduct of a Christian leader?
3. Do you think God approves of deception if Hillsong’s goals were reached easier via lies e.g. no further protests outside conference if protestors think no interview wold occur?
So what and whooppeee do about mark driscoll? Who cares if he has personal problems. Thats his business.
Dont you think that some of his teaching is relevant? Or is it all lies? Dont you think that there are millions of people that need Christ and at least mark amongst other controversial preachers are reaching out to them?
You clearly dont comprehend how far non christians are from God and that reaching these people doesnt come from a blog attacking other christians.
I suspect you are wrapped up in your cotton wool church and dont understand that nonchristians are so far from God that in fact some preachers like mark and brian are pretty good introductions to theholy spirit and the bible as a start.
But no – you guys right the whole lot off because they dont fit into your specific moulds…..or wait for it…..your interpretation or the bible beacause yours is a better understanding than the rest of the worlds.
Hold on CrackerJack, help is on the way. I’m going to ship you some apostrophes for you to include in your comments, so that you don’t look like some illiterate hick (or like a follower of Brian Houston).
RE Driscoll: Whoopee is your reflex response?! What happened to Hillsong’s teaching of “love God, love neighbour” (the be all and end all of Hillsong teachings)? Apathy, not hatred is the opposite of love. I hope responses like yours are extremely uncommon amongst Hillsong supporters. There is Google. Use it. There is no excuse for such ignorance amongst computer-literate, fully-functioning adults in the Age of the Internet.
And non-Christians are just as far away from God when they believe a phony Gospel as when they were atheists. If “near enough is good enough” is your attitude what is stopping you from joining Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons? They believe almost all of the bible (except what contradicts their doctrine)….
Half truths are lies. Half the Gospel is no Gospel at all. Does Hillsong preach the SAME Gospel as the apostles did, preaching need to realize you are a sinner who deserves God’s eternal damnation first BEFORE you realize you only NEED to believe in Jesus alone to save you? Does the bible give any sales pitch to sweeten the deal (if you believe in Jesus and you’ll receive a special destiny/ life purpose as a reward)?
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth (John 16:13). God’s representatives should aim to have that same spirit, same mindset, same attitude, truth at any price – even if the world hates you and church numbers shrink because non-believers/the flesh hates the truth. How does Hillsong measure up to that standard? What does the bible say about false teachers and people who lie? Are there any loopholes for people who lie “for good motives” (e.g. keep the peace, avoid negative media coverage)?
Whooppeee- that’s the common Hillsongee’s response in a nutshell. Apathy not hatred is the opposite of love.
When love needs to stop being just talk and put into (at times ucomfortable) practice “love your neighbour” commandment no longer applies. Who cares if Driscoll’s church members were spiritually abused by him, as long as *you* get your positive feelings and experiences delivered by the sensory over-stimulation that’s what really matters….right?!
“So what and whooppeee do about mark driscoll? Who cares if he has personal problems. Thats his business.”
Who Cares, CrackerJack? According to Scripture, everyone needs to:
1 Timothy 5:20 — Those who CONTINUE IN SIN, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.
Romans 16:17 — Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances CONTRARY TO THE TEACHING which you learned, and turn away from them.
‘[This website] … makes fun of [people]’
No, most people who comment here in defence of Brian Houston make complete and utter fools of themselves; the Churchwatchers simply point out that fact. (Talking of which, that hole that you are in looks pretty deep. How long do you plan to keep digging?)
Sheila said:
“It’s official – this website is just created out of spite.
They say there are pages and pages of facts on how bad Hillsong is – yet I **have read through all of them** and **double checked the so called facts** and every single issue is simply an interpretation of events.”
It would take at least weeks to read everything on this site, if not months. It’s official now. You are a liar Sheila.
morrie thinks that all Christians are heretical hirelings
thinker doesn’t actually think
MHD keeps accusing Brian
Apollo keeps bleating on about ‘the law’
ollie is downright vicious
What a bunch of turkeys…….gobble gobble
Sheila – your comments reveal more about you each time you post. If you are a representative of the “gospel” message presented by Hillsong, thank you for outing yourself (and them).
It’s got nothing to do with me – but everything to do with what you blokes are doing online with a trolling blog that breaks more “rules” than it makes…
“everything to do with what you blokes are doing online with a trolling blog that breaks more “rules” than it makes…”
As Brian Houston has proven over and over, knowledge of the Bible is not required to gain credibility within Hillsong.
Any standard of biblical knowledge is consistently void at Hillsong, but a high standard is always present here.
Sheila, until you demonstrate more than your childish insults, noone will take you seriously here.
Yep – it’s a troll site…….
Sheila – it’s obvious you love Hillsong more than the Truth.
Hey Apollo,
“No @Shelia – we don’t do any of those things that your favourite “false profits” do… We don’t have idolatry, greed or lasciviousness in our hearts… do you?”
What about just been rude? Clearly you and others on this website are good at that….
Actually Shelia, having watched your last 5 or 6 posts come in, you’re not so bad at being that way yourself, but then again, you learned from the best…
But, barbarous barbs aside, if you want to have some meaningful dialogue with the regulars, all you have to do is be civil and (most) of them will respond in kind.
I mean, have you considered that we might just be right about ‘some’ things, even if you cannot accept that we might be right about most/all things as stated here? Not possible, even a little bit?
“morrie thinks that all Christians are heretical hirelings
thinker doesn’t actually think
MHD keeps accusing Brian
Apollo keeps bleating on about ‘the law’
ollie is downright vicious
What a bunch of turkeys…….gobble gobble
What about just been rude? Clearly you and others on this website are good at that….”
Sheila / Hypocrite: noun. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess.
You shouldn’t be jealous of Apollo, Troaz. One day no doubt you’ll get invited into the holy of holies that is the almighty church watch.
The late Stan Zemanek and the late John Pearce both used to say “I may not always be right but I’m never wrong”. church watch would say “I’m always right, (but If you find a mistake on this website just email us and we’ll delete it and pretend it never happened so we can still look as if we’re always right”.
We found out where Newtase hides in between posting sessions folks… It’s called “the goat’s pen”:
http://s772.photobucket.com/user/revivalinbrisbane/media/Goats%20pen%20cartoon%2012-09-2015_zpsjcoxhpsl.png.html?sort=3&o=0
“You shouldn’t be jealous of Apollo, Troaz. One day no doubt you’ll get invited into the holy of holies that is the almighty church watch.”
Newtaste, Your childish behavior only proves the degenerative effect Hillsong has had on you personally.
“church watch would say “I’m always right, (but If you find a mistake on this website just email us and we’ll delete it and pretend it never happened so we can still look as if we’re always right.”
It’s very interesting. Hillsong has deleted their official “Tithing” page off their website since it got posted here sometime back.
The very thing you accuse Churchwatcher of.
Amazing how Hillsong changes it’s official doctrinal position constantly to fit the times.
Both you, and Hillsong, are hypocrites.
Sheila – we will continue to show your comments as being an ongoing very revelatory example of those who are the “fruit” of Hillsong’s twisted scriptures and bad theology. A false theology that has dug its roots deep into the evangelical church today, and further confused the gospel of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
All this website does if give more exposure to Hillsong.
Haven’t you turkeys heard the phrase – bad news is good news?
Media studies show that bad news far outweighs good news by as much as seventeen negative news reports for every one good news report. Why? Because humans seek out news of dramatic, negative events.
Keep stoking the fire Churchwatch………..
Which fire would that be, Shelia? Hell fire needs no ‘stoking’ and the kind of ‘press’ that Brian attracted during the Royal Commission certainly wasn’t “good” in anyone’s estimation…
So, ‘no news is bad news’ Shelia? I think not…
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because other people say unnecessarily cutting words here at times doesn’t make it OK for you to respond like that as well.
How about you use scripture/ factual evidence to defend your position instead…. or would that take too much thought? 🙂
P.S. good rule of thumb to remember, the first person to attack the other person *instead* of the argument has started to/ already lost the argument.
What are you talking about?
Time and time again people make 1 comment and get smashed straight away from the moderators.
You guys are dreaming. All you need to do is go back through any of the blog posts and you can see the sledging that starts as soon as anyone makes a comment that doesnt even justfy an attack.
And then you have the balls to say that to have meaningful dialogue with the regulars, all you have to do is be civil and (most) of them will respond in kind???????
What only most of the moderators?
Hahahahaha definitely a TROLL website.
Churchwatch you should be ashamed of yourself that you let moderators talk to others this way on your website.
Its disgusting behaviour and you profess to have all the answers.
As for bad behaviour Shelia (is your real name Christine?) it is you who have attacked the majority here… How does that make you better, seeing you have made no attempt to actually be civil..?
Moderator NO. Semi-regular commenter Yes. I don’t know who the moderators are either.
“it’s better to turn on the light than to curse the darkness”.
Instead of calling names/ insulting people/ labeling people as trolls, how about you rise above that and deal with the issues being addressed instead?
You are not responsible for how others respond to you but God will hold you (and the rest of us) responsible for what you choose to type. (I keep that in mind when I type too).
If you have read a few blog entries +all relevant comments you should have realized that pro-Hillsong commenters need to develop a much thicker skin than most other blogs (offensive comments deleted/ troll banned).
“Pro-Hillsong commenters need to develop a much thicker skin”
Why do they need to develop a thicker skin? Would it be because of all the attacks in the comments on this website? Probably.
How is that loving?
What about all the genuine christians that attend hillsong? Here you guys are bagging out hillsong but you havent even thought about the thousands of genuine christian souls that attend their churches but you have a website DEDICATED to pulling them down wiyh their church.
What are they? Collateral damage??????
Disgusting.
“What about all the genuine christians that attend hillsong?”
Genuine Christians shelia?
Brian Houston says in the news:
“Brian and I leave Bobbie and go for a drive.
So why does he think the church has been so successful? “I think the biggest issue is relevance, I really do,” he says, as we tour around the bland suburbs – row upon row of enormous, identical houses – of the Hills District, which surrounds his church. “We are scratching people where they are itching.”
God says:
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; … ” 2 Timothy 4:3
Do you think God sees a multitude of “Genuine Christians” in Hillsong?
“How is that loving?
What about all the genuine christians that attend hillsong? Here you guys are bagging out hillsong but you haven’t even thought about the thousands of genuine christian souls that attend their churches but you have a website DEDICATED to pulling them down with their church. What are they? Collateral damage??????
Disgusting.”
It is indeed loving, in a Biblical sense, to tell lost sheep/stubborn goats the truth about their situation, according to the scriptures. This isn’t being legal, it’s just being truthful, and it is loving to do so.
Jesus told the Pharisees the truth, to the point of losing his life for doing so.
They will only be ‘collateral damage’ if they stay in Hill$ong. If they leave and find a genuine church they will begin to grow in the grace and knowledge of God Shelia, and that is the will of God for them. Staying inside the goat’s pen of Hill$ong will mean that they will only eat rubbish, as all goats end up doing.
Genuine sheep enjoy the protection of the sheepfold, the attention of the good shepherd, and feast on still waters and green pastures…
“What about all the genuine christians that attend hillsong?”
Why should you care about them? You’re in Brian’s corner, aren’t you?
“Time and time again people make 1 comment and get smashed straight away from the moderators.”
Perhaps you are assuming that people only make one comment and then stop because they get smashed, but that is not true at all. They stop because they are hillsongers who have nothing between their ears, and they simply can’t think of anything else to say.
Churchwatcher now you are judging other peoples faith and their relationship with God?
Disgusting mate.
This one fact confirms this website is built for trolling and nothing else.
What fun.
‘Disgusting mate.’
Yeah, but that’s OK, because ‘bad news is good news’, right Shelia?
“It is freedom to give in the ways and the amounts that properly reflect our deep, abiding love and gratitude for our Father and His Kingdom.”
Sheila, how does your constant defense of Hillsongs lies reflect a ‘deep abiding love and gratitude’ for anything?
Why are you on the internet defending lies anyway ?
If anyone is a TROLL guess who it is…..? It is YOU honey !
“Disgusting mate.”
AND you yourself are THE poster child for….
pride, personal arrogance, and judgementallism.
Sorry but when you argue against the TRUTH, youre playing a loser’s game.
AND why is it so terribly important to you to drag everybody else into the ditch that you’ve fallen into with Brian?? Another unanswered question. Who else would want to go there??
You NEED to grow a thicker skin Sheila because you’re never going to grow up spiritually otherwise. A (presumed) Christian who insists their fragile feelings are kept wrapped up in bubble wrap or they’ll throw a temper tantrum is an absolutely useless one.
From what you’ve typed you can’t defend your faith at all without resorting to name-calling. You NEED to start thinking about what you believe/you’ve been taught and check whether it lines up with what the bible actually says or not. You’ve got to love God with your MIND as well as your heart, soul and strength etc.
“You guys are dreaming. All you need to do is go back through any of the blog posts and you can see the sledging that starts as soon as anyone makes a comment that doesn’t even justify an attack.
And then you have the balls to say that to have meaningful dialogue with the regulars, all you have to do is be civil and (most) of them will respond in kind???????”
If you go back through the blog posts for the last week or two Shelia, you will see some 15 trolls attacking us regulars for daring to expose Brian Houston and his Hill$ong cult. Quite often we encounter people who will pull out all of the stops to distract/discredit/deceive those who come here to learn.
This thread is all about how Brian Houston had Tanya Levine arrested and charged with trespass, and that seems to have been forgotten in and amongst all the flak from people like you.
Obfuscation, half truths and downright lies can be hard to see through yet combat, but that is the role of the blog, to blow away Hill$ong’s elaborate smoke screen, and expose it for the cult that it is. This blog has done that most effectively and Hill$ong hates that.
It is not possible for you to have read ALL of the threads contained within this blog site to date, in the time you have had here (unless you’ve been reading them for weeks without my knowledge) so take a break Shelia and just consider that we might be right about a lot of things.
Put yourself in Tanya Levin’s shoes for 5 minutes Shelia – a woman who has lost her faith in God due to Houston’s antics – and ask yourself how you would feel after your former ‘pastor’ had you arrested for calling him out for his (alleged) wicked and sinful lifestyle, while posing as a “pastor”…
That is the focus of this thread, and what the regulars are posting in about is information/opinion/Bible truth that adequately describes both Houston and his Hill$ong cult…
“a woman who has lost her faith in God due to Houston’s antics”
That says more about her than Houston. Seems like she was putting her faith in a man and not in God. If she lost her faith due to Houston, then she wasn’t putting her trust in God. If she wasn’t happy at Hillsong then she could have found another church – there are hundreds in Sydney. To blame God for the actions of Houston is blaming the wrong persons.
“Seems like she was putting her faith in a man and not in God.”
And who do you put *your* faith in, newtaste? And who is it that you are defending when you post here? Brian Houston or God?
It seems like you need to have a good long look in the mirror.
“If she wasn’t happy at Hillsong then she could have found another church”
If you are not happy with this site, why don’t you go and post your comments somewhere else?
“a woman who has lost her faith in God due to Houston’s antics”
That says more about her than Houston. Seems like she was putting her faith in a man and not in God. If she lost her faith due to Houston, then she wasn’t putting her trust in God. If she wasn’t happy at Hillsong then she could have found another church – there are hundreds in Sydney. To blame God for the actions of Houston is blaming the wrong persons.
Oooops, that url didn’t work – please remove both posts – thanks…
“row upon row of enormous, identical houses – of the Hills District”. You need to get more.
More what? More money?
I meant, you need to get out more.
You’ve been using that sophisticated argument since this site started. Can’t you actually give a biblical defense rather than pout like a two year old?
It looks tragic. If there is anyone who can try and make Brian Houston and Hillsong look smart – it could be you. Instead you chuck tantrums over the most benign issues.
They only thing that looks tragic around here is this desperate website.
Not sure what kicks you are getting out of it? Seems to be some self righteous pride thing going on i would say.
@newtaste,
‘I meant, you need to get out more.’
So you are saying that we ~don’t~ need more money? Brian wouldn’t be very happy with that! Or maybe he would – I can’t remember whether his latest was to flip or flop on that particular issue.
Talking of flip-flopping, are you travelling on the broad road the way that Brian said you should be? (I do hope you aren’t disobeying him, seeing as he has been appointed by God as a great leader and all).
“If you are not happy with this site, why don’t you go and post your comments somewhere else?”
Another moderator wannabe? You must have a long list of people bashing on the basement door Fergie.
What about all the music then huh? Let me guess thats from the devil too huh?
You guys are good.
Stretch it as far as you can, milk that hillsong trademark for your own notoriety.
“What about all the music then huh? Let me guess thats from the devil too huh?
You guys are good.
Stretch it as far as you can, milk that hillsong trademark for your own notoriety.”
Sheila you in your arrogance are the BEST example Ive seen anywhere so far of why women are NOT supposed to teach. Though anyone can teach at Hillsong because Hillsong doesnt follow the Bible lol !
NO truth, NO wisdom, NO discrenment. Just lots of blowing your own vain imaginations out of your windpipe !
“Sheila you in your arrogance are the BEST example I’ve seen anywhere so far of why women are NOT supposed to teach.”
This one is all presumption and no clue – a classic Jezebel who is suffering from a rather serious case of envy. I really do pity those poor unfortunates in her immediate circle; her company must be like gargling sour milk.
And in her arrogance she’s HELL-BENT on taking everyone else down with her that she can possibly manage to !
A wolfess on the prowl, much like the Devil himself!
“BEST example Ive seen anywhere so far of why women are NOT supposed to teach”
One woman makes a comment so you defame all women. Rosebrough has said the exact same comments about women pastors he has reviewed, saying that this woman is why women shouldn’t be pastors. Do you think women only should be subservient to men, not working but at home tending to her husbands needs, pregnant and in the kitchen? To have such beliefs is to distort scripture for your own purposes.
“One woman makes a comment so you defame all women.”
NO, Mister Twister.
She’s a great example of WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
We defend what THE BIBLE SAYS!! You’ve probably never read this being at Hillsong but here it is
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.”
The problem is YOU do not agree with THE BIBLE same as Sheila. In other words Newtaste, in your 100% rebellion you are repping the spirit of Antichrist.
“Do you think women only should be subservient to men, not working but at home tending to her husbands needs, pregnant and in the kitchen? To have such beliefs is to distort scripture for your own purposes.”
Guess what? You distorted my words. I never said that stupid needs/pregnant/kitchen part.
Speaking of Scripture, why haven’t you ever used it ??
Because you are at hillsong, that’s why.
I already have on this website. I quoted Rowan Williams who quoted scripture to support the ordination of women. If you haven’t read it that’s your problem.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/2172918.stm
Rowan Williams as a druid?
It makes him look like a gnostic gnome.
“I quoted Rowan Williams who quoted scripture … ”
I suppose that second-hand quoting of Rowan Williams’ Scripture twisting is the next best thing to second-hand quoting of Brian Houston’s Scripture twisting.
I presume that the idea of actually reading, understanding, and absorbing the Bible for yourself has never entered that empty hillsong head of yours. Clearly, you can take the boy out of catholicism, but you can’t take catholicism out of the boy.
What a truly sad individual you are, newtaste.
“One woman makes a comment so you defame all women.”
NO! She’s an example of WHAT THE BIBLE says. Your problem is you do not agree with THE BIBLE. In your rebellion against God you and your fellow ditch-occupier represent the spirit of Antichrist!
I’m not in any rebellion against God. Your anger is making you make assumptions and judge people. Very un-Christian.
I believe what the Bible states. You believe what the Bible states it appears, but like the church watchers appear to have a mediaeval Catholic interpretation of it.
“I’m not in any rebellion against God. Your anger is making you make assumptions and judge people. Very un-Christian.”
“Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
Matthew 16:23
“Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
Matthew 16:23
Ooooh the hate and slander are coming out now. Imagine what non-christians think when they stumble on this website?
Someone else already said this – this website is the worst advertisement for Jesus.
Oh yeah – and the standard attack back was “Hillsong is the worst advertisement for Jesus”. Give me a break.
Have you turkeys ever though about how far non-christians are from God and that any influence from Christians actually has impacts on them?
Including a slanderous website like this one?
Oooooooh no – you are too busy infighting and debating the latest interpretation of the Gospel based on your own understanding and knowledge and proving that you know more than anyone else and then taking down anyone that appears to challenge you.
“Have you turkeys ever though [sic] about how far non-christians are from God … ”
Have you ever thought about how far Brian Houston is from God?
“… and that any influence from [cult followers] actually has impacts on them?”
“Impact” is a noun, not a verb. Have you ever thought about attending primary school?
“I believe what the Bible states.”
No you don’t, newtaste: you believe what Brian Houston says, otherwise you wouldn’t be defending his heresy.
“I’m not in any rebellion against God.”
You really believe that, because, in your clouded mind, you subconsciously perceive Brian Houston as God. You are far gone, and completely at a loss to understand the extent of the delusion under which you labour.
Reading your posts is like watching a bird with a broken wing trying to fly – even the most desperate of efforts driving by the strongest of wills is to no avail. You are a really, really sad case, newtaste – I feel sorry for you.
“Sheila you in your arrogance are the BEST example Ive seen anywhere so far of why women are NOT supposed to teach. ”
So ollie wheres your response on the music? Or don’t you have one?
Is it all from the devil the Hillsong music? No response from anyone here about Hillsong music. Apparently it is all devil worshiping music and not relevant to God.
What a load of bollocks.
Thousands of NON-GENUINE Christians with weak faith in the Hillsong
churches all singing praises to the devil?
Keep pulling the other leg…….
Think it’s become pretty obvious “shelia” is the true definition of an internet troll. An interesting personality well covered here:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
Church Watcher, one would agree you are correct. However one must add for this particular troll “shelia”….
“It’s a disgrace.
And you call yourselves Christians?
Christians fighting Christians – the devil must be lapping that up.”
The “sheila” troll has demonstrated weakly Bible knowledge, and frankly her knowledge of the History of the early Church is completely non-existent.
That is what the devil laps up… Ignorant trolls popping off. They are some of the ones causing the greatest divisions, imho.
No Shelia – Hill$ong is from the Devil, so the music is a slam dunk…
“Think it’s become pretty obvious “shelia” is the true definition of an internet troll.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
Sheila’s another sick pup claiming to be ‘a Christian.’ It seems more frequent than ever on this and similar sites all over the internet, especially in youtube comment sections. I’ve seen the same trolls hanging out on specific videos for months at a time — literally.
“No response from anyone here about hillsong music. Apparently it is all devil worshiping [sic] music and not relevant to God.”
Personally I wasn’t going to bother responding, Shelia. But, since you ask, I’ll say this:
you yourself listen to hillsong music, and look how you’ve turned out.
It really says it all, doesn’t it?
“Matthew 16:23
Ooooh the hate and slander are coming out now.”
Shelia, Last time I checked, those were red-letter words of Jesus. If you don’t like them, perhaps you should tear that page out of your Bible. Perhaps you should also tear out the page where Jesus showed such ‘hate’ that he threw the moneychangers out of the temple.
“Imagine what non-christians think when they stumble on this website?”
They probably think Christians can quote the Bible.
“You’ve been using that sophisticated argument since this site started. Can’t you actually give a biblical defense rather than pout like a two year old?
It looks tragic. If there is anyone who can try and make Brian Houston and Hillsong look smart – it could be you. Instead you chuck tantrums over the most benign issues.”
“Insert sledge here”.
You can call me anything you want. You already have. What’s tragic is the gang mentality of these websites where the posse of what is now apparently seven of you bully anyone you don’t like, encourage wannabes to join in, and you all put the boot in. Then keep kicking. And kicking.
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. We write this to make our joy complete.” 1 John 1:1-4 NIV
There is very little life on these websites. Very little light and forgiveness of sins. It’s mostly dark with condemnation. You are not against God, I know that. But you don’t show Him as He is. You play God by judging everyone, rather the letting God judge. You sprout hatred in Jesus Name thinking like the crusaders that that is the way to show people the love of Christ. It’s not. Showing them love is, not hate.
Newtaste, I wonder if Brian was thinking of that passage from 1 John 1:1-4, when he was (allegedly) covering up his father’s sins and dudding Frank’s victims?
It’s convenient for you to quote scripture (at least once or twice a year,) when you need a cosey little space to hide behind, but your hypocrisy has become obvious to all…
There is very little ‘life’ inside Hill$ong – plenty of ‘colour’ and ‘music’ and ‘motivational speaking’ – but no Gospel, no grace and no salvation either.
If people are getting “saved” inside Hill$ong, it is in spite of what Brian is doing, not because of it…
newtaste, In a way, I feel for you. However…
“There is very little life on these websites. Very little light and forgiveness of sins.”
There is much “truth” on discernment websites. Something you will not find much of at Hillsong, therefore “truth” is not something you are accustomed to hearing. There is forgiveness of sins here on these websites, because the Gospel is present and discussed, however what is additional here is rejection of the condoning of continuing to live in sin, and the addition of correction from many doctrinal errors.
“You play God by judging everyone, rather the letting God judge.”
CW is judging based on using the criteria established in the Word of God. Which is one reason the Word of God is there (for correction). Ask yourself, why else would these verses (and many other similar) be present:
EPHESIANS 5:11: “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”
2 TIMOTHY 3:16: “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
Your problem is Brian Houston has never preached on sin nor damnation to hell, one reason being, he knows it would drop Hillsong’s attendance and income. But that is insincere and unbiblical. Jesus talked much about sin and stopping it. As did Paul. However, you have been accustomed to Brian’s fake method of teaching and fake love atmosphere.
“You sprout hatred in Jesus Name thinking like the crusaders that that is the way to show people the love of Christ. It’s not. Showing them love is, not hate.”
Comparing CW to the crusaders is ludicrous. To show people the love of Christ is not (as you seem to infer) ‘condoning’ nor ‘overlooking’ anyone’s continuing in sin. It is to inform them of the Gospel and not omit the truth about how bad it ends up when one continues in sin (Christian or not), and CW does not hesitate to explain these.
NOTE: >> Judging righteously is not hatred, but failing to judge is not love.
JOHN 7:24: “Judge not according to the appearance, but JUDGE righteous judgment.”
Finally, your quoting of 1 JOHN 11:1-4 doesn’t make sense when trying to use it as a basis against these websites. How are you measuring “life?” Part of that “life” is ceasing to remain a slave to sin and a mindslave to doctrinal errors that have deceived this world. Something these websites are very much in line with doing.
JOHN 8:32: “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
That “life” you mentioned includes not remaining bound in sin NOR in doctrinal heresy. How can you separate those from “life?” CW is trying to >>HELP<< you, even though you catcall. When has Hillsong preached against Doctrinal Heresy? Never.
Newtaste you have a skewed perception of the Bible, because you have sat under teaching by a man who does not correctly handle, teach, nor evidently even understand the Word of God.
That is partly your fault for voluntarily remaining at Hillsong. But don't blame CW.
That is an excellent response to newtaste’s comment: it is well-thought out, well-reasoned, and extremely well-expressed.
“newtaste, In a way, I feel for you.”
I must admit that despite all that we might say to newtaste, I feel for him too. Even through his bluster, and despite the fact that he has clearly been brainwashed, it appears that he is different to any of the other defenders of hillsong who have commented here, most obviously in his tenacity. Many of newtaste’s erstwhile brothers in arms wander in here brimful of piss and vinegar, but they very quickly start ducking for cover and they eventually end up limping ignominiously off the field of battle with barely a whimper (even the great Brian Houston himself could only muster up sufficient courage to offer up a few comments here in the briefest of visits).
But newtaste, however wrong he may be, bravely stands his ground and keeps coming back for more, no matter how punishing it may be. Newtaste has accused the Churchwatchers of kicking him, but I think that he may have missed something else that is going on – the fact that he himself is kicking against the goads. I have a sneaking suspicion that newtaste may one day have a “Road to Damascus” experience by which he will be delivered from Brian Houston’s sway – and I think that may be a suspicion that is shared by some others here. I would rejoice to see newtaste set free to walk in the light, and to enjoy God’s presence not by proxy through hillsong but personally, through the Lord Jesus Christ – who is, after all, the one mediator between God and men.
“you all put the boot in. Then keep kicking. And kicking.”
Hey newtaste, you have a size eleven head. Do you want to hear how I happen to know that? Because it fits my size eleven boots perfectly!
Delta Goodrem on how she defeated the on-line haters.
“While Goodrem boasts a legion of loyal fans who have literally grown up with her, she’s been subjected to a public backlash in recent years. There was the cyber-bullying on Twitter during her first few seasons of the television talent quest and its junior spin-off. The Marlon Wayans “unrhythmic white woman” sledge about her dancing at a Jay Z and Beyoncé concert last year. And the persistent rumours in media circles about everything from her cancer battle to her love life.
She had to figure out how to defuse the hate.
Her reflection in LA enabled Goodrem to realise that focusing on the haters wasn’t worth it. “I decided, f*** them,” she says.”
More: http://mobile.news.com.au/lifestyle/sunday-style/delta-goodrem-has-left-behind-her-online-haters-and-is-flying-high/story-fnrmugv2-1227535573048
church watch is full of trolls and haters, of the type that harassed Delta for many years. It’s not Christian. It’s everything but.
And ADHD is a very sad person.
So unbeliever Delta Goodrem cops a pass with you and not Tanya Levin, Newtaste? Can we wonder why? Tanya not cute enough for you?
“church watch is full of trolls”
The chief of which is you newtaste.
“It’s not Christian. It’s everything but.”
And frankly your judgmentalism stinks too newtaste.
Wow! At last an honest response with passion. “insert sledge here” – Act your age and not your shoe size MHDVD.
You cats are the craziest concordance nerds I have ever read. I mean who posts like this these days?
Oh yeah, knocking hillsong is a thing now. I heard about it. Man we were doing that way back in ’87. Castle Hill Baptists on one side, Powerhouse Youth on the other.
I’ m not going to deliberately insult or put you down. I love atheists and even the bible quoting ones. So when you tuck yourself in tonight with smug reassurance and a digestive biscuit remember this…
Some people actually don’t care about the Hatfield McKoy thing y’all got going on.
I am just a post-depressive-anxious pilgrim with an acquired Brian injury, trying to catch a crumb from your table talk.
Don’t get up gentlemen I am only passing through.
Love, mercy and tongues in cheek.
Scrivener
‘[Delta Goodrem] had to figure out how to defuse the hate.’
So since Delta managed that, she must be a lot smarter than Brian Houston by your reckoning. Is that right, newtaste? (Maybe she’s just more “anointed” than Brian is).
‘Her reflection in LA enabled Goodrem to realise that focusing on the haters wasn’t worth it.’
If that’s the correct attitude to adopt, why are you still here?
‘[Churchwatch] is not Christian.’
But Brian “I worship allah” Houston *is* Christian, is that correct?
‘And ADHD is a very sad person.’
Not nearly as sad as Brian Houston. At least *you* provide plenty of mirth here with your running gag defence of the hillsong cult.
“…I am just a post-depressive-anxious pilgrim with an acquired Brian injury, trying to catch a crumb from your table talk….”
Scrivener, that is a guilt trip and you know it. That strategy is well-described as “wooden leg”. http://www.ericberne.com/games-people-play/wooden-leg/
So you’ve got personal difficulties that nearly no-one else has to live with in their lifetime- that doesn’t give you permission to use that as a tool to manipulate people, whether in person or online. It’s a devious distraction tactic.
“Wow! At last an honest response with passion. “insert sledge here” – Act your age and not your shoe size MHDVD.”
Let us remember Scrivener, since you’ve been here, you have made not one post that added any content, just quips. You have not yet proven yourself here, while MHD has proven he knows his Bible. Regardless of how sharp his attitude may seem at times, isk a guess at who you think will be trusted more, you or him.
Churchwatcher
i must say you have some really strong views on hillsong, and you always back it up with scripture all the time.
this is not a sad website, there is more truth on here than any sermom i heard preached from hill song london when i there 2003-2013.
hillsong is a sad church, they promise so much and offer so little. i have never met so many shallow superficial worldy prosperity christians in all my life.
but i still like their music, and even the church i was part of the last 2 years. played hillsong music i cant seem to exscape it.
every church i have visited seem to replicate watered down and diluted versions of hillsong music. and they dont have the musicians to back it up.
i wish i was never given the spiritual gift of songwriting and singing. because it has ruined my christian life.
i would of been so much better off without this gift.
the message bible and the new living translation bible, is a stumbling block to so many christians in the church today. there is no truth in it, they are paraphrase prosperity bibles. for christians with itching ears.
I think you would have been better off (and we all would) if you didn’t have the spiritual gift of ungratefulness and a lack of Thanksgiving. Be satisfied that your pitiful heart has ten years of people to blame for your lamentation.
Hey I’m getting the hang of this.
You rock hillsongchurchwatch! I’m healed! Bless your thorny TULIPs.
“Hey I’m getting the hang of this.
You rock hillsongchurchwatch! I’m healed! Bless your thorny TULIPs.”
Skrivener:
No, in fact you aren’t getting anything. Even your sarcasm is pretty lame.
And for someone who claimed he ‘wanted to be a part of this community’, you’re making a complete fool on-line out of yourself. I doubt you will ever be taken seriously here now, no matter how much you post.
There is one thing that can’t be faked here. You can distinguish the discerners from the non-discerners very quickly…. it doesn’t take long.
WOW – look at all those overnight posts – trolls on steroids, but no truth coming from any of them…
We speak the truth in love, hoping that we might save some out of the fire, as the NT teaches.
Here’s a link to Matthew Henry’s commentary on Jude 1:1 – 17:
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhc/jude/1.htm
This is how men and women of God lived, in fear (healthy respect) unless they should they stray openly from the narrow path that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 7:13+.
In particular, note the following:
“1:17-23 Sensual men separate from Christ, and his church, and join themselves to the devil, the world, and the flesh, by ungodly and sinful practices. That is infinitely worse than to separate from any branch of the visible church on account of opinions, or modes and circumstances of outward government or worship.
Sensual men have not the spirit of holiness, which whoever has not, does not belong to Christ. The grace of faith is most holy, as it works by love, purifies the heart, and overcomes the world, by which it is distinguished from a false and dead faith.
Our prayers are most likely to prevail, when we pray in the Holy Ghost, under his guidance and influence, according to the rule of his word, with faith, fervency, and earnestness; this is praying in the Holy Ghost. And a believing expectation of eternal life will arm us against the snares of sin: lively faith in this blessed hope will help us to mortify our lusts.
We must watch over one another; faithfully, yet prudently reprove each other, and set a good example to all about us. This must be done with compassion, making a difference between the weak and the willful. Some we must treat with tenderness. Others save with fear; urging the terrors of the Lord.
All endeavours must be joined with decided abhorrence of crimes, and care be taken to avoid whatever led to, or was connected with fellowship with them, in works of darkness, keeping far from what is, or appears to be evil.”
Amen
Shelia is banned – all her comments go automatically to spam. Makes for interesting reading, Hillsong should thank us for blocking her because she’s spoiling their “warrior princess” image.
That’s almost a shame – was curious to see how/if an online Hillsongee’s mind ticked.
Definitely good at parroting tithing doctrine and name-calling. Hillsong would give her A++ Grade for sure.
“Shelia is banned – all her comments go automatically to spam.”
Perhaps she should posted under a more appropriate name – I think “She Liar” would have fitted the bill quite nicely.
“Shelia is banned – all her comments go automatically to spam. Makes for interesting reading, Hillsong should thank us for blocking her because she’s spoiling their “warrior princess” image.”
As a woman I found Sheila’s comments extremely disturbing.
I have been a Christian for a few years and have never heard another woman who called herself a Christian display that level of foul mouthed vulgarity.
Forget so-called ‘bickering’, I am sure that her negative attitude has turned many from becoming Christians.
Sadly for a church that claims to be filled with the (Holy) Spirit, online Hillsong supporters seem to be extremely lacking in self-control.
Luke 6:40 [Jesus said] “The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.”
Sadly starting from the top downward, Brian Houston and Hillsong routinely stress only the experiential joy side of things, while disregarding teaching things that might be unpleasant such as discipline.
Hillsong is an emotional myth based on making each individual feel good and have the perception they are receiving or will receive whatever Brian Houston says they are entitled to have. In other words, it’s not about Him, it’s about them.
No matter how they dress things up, Hillsong will always be about personal prosperity in one way or another.