“Hillsong doesn’t force us to give money. We give it freely.’
That is the protest of faithful Hillsong cult apologists and its members.
Of course Hillsong members give their money freely. Wouldn’t you give Hillsong your money “freely” if they accused you of robbing God if you withheld your cash?
Hillsong, after the recent A Current Affair report, made the mistake of letting Bobbie Houston do the offering talk. Here is Bobbie talking about why Hillsong members should give:
“… I want to encourage you with your giving this morning, because that’s what it’s about. Malachi 3 says, bring the tithe and offering, bring it into the house of God that there might be food in my house. And in context it’s saying when you withhold or draw back you actually rob God, well we don’t rob God because we can’t rob God, but we rob His heart for the earth…”
It only goes to show that A Current Affair is right to portray Hillsong as a Prosperity cult and a money-making machine. Prosperity cults are known for ripping Malachi 3 out of context to accuse people of “robbing God” so they are guilted into giving money. To Christians, this is what is known as “works-based righteousness.”
The Christian owes God nothing except repentance of their sins in light of Jesus being our perfect sacrifice to God so that we may be right with him. By placing money as the mediator before God and not Christ, Bobbie is espousing nothing but pagan idolatry. Money is her God and she wants it now.
To say that people are robbing God’s heart for the earth because we’re not giving him cash is neurotic. But then again, Hillsong members think that this is a valid reason to give “freely”…
Bobbie Houston advances the cause of womanhood… how?
Hillsong Church Watch 
Tithing as per Malachi 3 castigates the whole nation of Israel for turning away from God and ways to remedy it. It is about a committed national [and individual] heart for God not just about tithing money. Verse 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those that do not. Delivering tithing messages, in my opinion, has and still is in some ministries really a ‘marketing sell for the particular ministry an its often very well paid leaders – e.g. Join with us as God has put a burden on us to build a $1 million building to glorify His name and/or buy a Lear jet so we can minister easily around the world!” “Yeah, right as per the foot and donkey steps example of servant hearted Jesus.” “Yeah right!? [again]”
It would be more scriptural if messages were delivered something like “I believe in tithing and tithe, you may not. That’s between you and God but can I suggest that you prayerfully ask the Holy Spirit to lead you regarding this. We do not condemn anyone regarding tithing – It is up to you. Give as the Holy Spirit leads you.” Matthew 17:24 re The Temple Tax is worth a read too – particularly if you are into fishing : { )
“We do not condemn anyone regarding tithing – It is up to you.”
Tithing is NOT a new testament principle.
What tithing today IS, is a misapplication of Malachi 3.
Therefore, anyone who teaches tithing is spreading an outright false teaching.
It’s not a salvation issue, is it? So the expression “we do not condemn anyone regarding tithing” is full of peace – whether you strongly believe it applies to Christians or just as strongly disbelieve it – it’s between you and God. By prayerful listening to the promptings of the Holy Spirit as you read God’s word your heart will respond as you are led.
Suzy, no. It’s a false teaching, whether you believe in it or not…. Period.
It has nothing to do with “between you and God.”
You can’t make up your own interpretations of verses.
Brian Houston has made merchandise of the word of God for personal profit as have many others.
They always start off down this bad path by teaching tithing is a N.T. principal, and say if you don’t tithe “you are robbing” God or the earth or someone else.
Teaching tithing is a lie. Lying is sinful, dishonest, and treachery.
2 corinthians 2:17
berean study bible: “For we are not like so many others, who peddle of the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as men sent from God. ”
new living testament: “You see, we are not like the many hucksters who preach for personal profit. We preach the word of God with sincerity and with Christ’s authority, knowing that God is watching us.”
jubilee bible 2000: “For we are not as many, false merchandisers of the word of God, but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ.”
“You can’t make up your own interpretations of verses” – of course you can’t; but neither can anyone make them up for you. “He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion” – so when a person comes to Christ he/she is an infant, being fed on milk; who does the feeding? Is it not the Holy Spirit who teaches us, through the Word? Thinking of 1 Corinthians 2: 10ish etc. etc.
That verse has nothing to do with tithing being a false teaching.
And yes people do make up off-the-wall interpretations ALL THE TIME.
Anyway, bottom line: tithing IS one of the lies being told right now to the Church. Whoever teaches it is misapplyng Malachi 3, etc to get money.
Hey Suzie, I was in a Hillswrong Pentecostal Cult like church for years. I tithed every week whether I could afford it or not. I gave in “faith” on every occasion that I was asked, sincerely believing everything my “pastor” told me. Prompted by blogs like these, I studied the Scriptures, in context, and found out that so much of what I was taught was erroneous.
If a Christian is under a curse and/or has to live in fear of the devourer if he doesn’t tithe, then Jesus’ death on the cross was somehow defective, simple as that.
Tithing is either required in the New Covenant or it isn’t. Trouble is, if you are taught that it is, and you have believed it, then you can feel conscience stricken if you don’t. Even the thought of not tithing can make you feel uncomfortable. I needed to do some unlearning.
I remember how grateful I was when I was first saved. When I understood what God had done for me I would have done anything for Him. That puts a new Christian in a very vulnerable position when there are wolves around. I was at every working bee, every meeting I could make it to – that was the least I could do for Jesus. I would invite anyone & everyone to meetings and of course I would tithe. Why wouldn’t I. I used to give more than 10% to the “devil” with the grog and pot I used to buy when I was a godless heathen. 10% was cheap and I gave it cheerfully.
Over time, I got to see the manipulation of the people by the pastors. Their half truths and twisting of the word, their double standards and hypocrisy. It discouraged me but it made me look for answers. It took me a while to detox but studying the Bible and rightly dividing it was the key. I was under a lot of deception when in the cult but I’ve put their cultish ways away now and I’m a lot closer to Jesus now because of it, plus, I can see through the cult sham plain as day now I’ve stepped back from it.
Suzy Andrews, hi there 🙂
I too am a former Hillsong member (was for years). I left over ten years ago and I absolutely LOVE Jesus, believe the truth of the Scriptures and cannot warn Christians fast enough about Hillsong.
All I can encourage you to do is to walk away, ask God to seriously open your eyes to the deception. It takes time to be able to view the place objectively without appealing to how the ‘worship’ makes you ‘feel’.
Feelings change, Brian hasn’t. They are Charlatans Suzy.
They are living the high life. Trust me… the devil is extremely good at duping people. He uses smiling, happy, good looking Jesus loving people.
The Scriptures WARN soooo many times. Believers just simply won’t accept they’re being deceived.
Check out Mal.1 before reading 2 and 3. The Levites were the ones robbing the Lord of tithe in Mal. 3. It was not going to the priests. Deu.26:13 Tithe went to Levite,(10% of that tithe went to the priests)widows, orphans and strangers in land. Deu. 14:23 Eat your tithe and enjoy what God has given you. Never heard that taught in a prosperity teaching. James1:26,27 Pure religion visit Widows and orphans. Acts 6 Deacons were chosen to administer to widows Hebrew and Greek. Rarely seen nowadays. Few church deacons do anything about this area.
If NT is to tithe and church workers and pastors replace Levites and Priests why do they own land today. Priests and Levites were not allowed to own it. Interesting!! How can they receive and live off tithe when they own land. You cannot cherry pick the part of tithe you like as a pastor then violate the other part you do not like. At least, you should be consistently wrong with tithes especially in light of the following curses from the NT not the OT.
Galatians, 3:10 and James 2:10 Cursed if you do not do all of the law. Fail in one area you are guilty of all. None of us can do this. so we live in him and his grace. Not our works.
NT we are are all priests as believers. We should give with a cheerful heart. And help those in need. In OT no one who was poor less than 10 sheep, tradesmen, etc was expected to give a tithe. It was tithed on produce not money.
Misuse of titthe for a get rich scheme.
Come out from under the curse of the law. Give Cheerfully what you can afford. There seem to be more divorced women than widows nowadays in church with people being left without help, How wll it look judgement day trying to explain “I thought because her husband left her it did not count as a widow”. Not a pretty sight. Not good!!
Having said all this 10% is a good amount if you can afford it. Or more or less. But cheerfully. Individual people are the temple today. 1Cor. 3:16 Ye are the temple of the Holy Ghost. And reward those who teach you. 1Tim. 5:17
Tried to keep it short.
I must add another example of tithing and money madness. Oral Roberts. Oral Roberts came up with his “Seed Faith” garbage. He also claimed he had a vision of a 900′ tall Jesus that told Oral Roberts if donators didn’t give $8,000,000 to build Oral’s medical school by a certain date, God would strike Oral Roberts dead.
The claims all these Prosperity monsters make are downright ridiculous:
http://www.apostasyalert.org/Oral%20Roberts.htm
I wish a 900′ tall Jesus had struck the pedophile Frank Houston dead before he molested all of those children. Even a normal size someone who looked like Jesus would have done the trick.
I agree . . . A load of male cattle manure!
the “House of God” is not Hillsong.
the house of God is the body of Christ. His people.
His Spirit dwells in those who trust Him.
This woman is living the life driving fancy cars and living in mansions.
We have a word for it:
CHARLATAN.
Open your eyes people.
“This woman is living the life driving fancy cars and living in mansions.
Open your eyes people.”
Amazingly enough a few studies have shown that the more opulent these false teachers spend their money, the more their cult members support them.
Bobbie Houston may as well go out and buy a Bentley and a Rolls, because it wouldn’t change the minds of any of her cult members. They’d still fall for her whimsical interpretations of the Bible hook, line & sinker.
Yeah but who really cares? It’s not your money or my money. People can give whatever they want to whoever they want.
If they don’t understand the truth about tithing then that is their problem isn’t it? They will learn eventually either the hard way or the easy way.
I mean come on, everywhere you turn in society people are trying to get hold of your wallet and its contents.
Isn’t money just a tool? It comes and goes for everyone.
Hillsong spend money on feeding the poor and helping the disadvantaged. So what how much it exactly is. It doesnt matter does it?
Who cares how much Bobbie has in her pockets. That is between her and God. Has nothing to do with you me or anyone else.
“Hillsong spend money on feeding the poor and helping the disadvantaged.”
Not true – they are furthering poverty both spiritually and materially with their lies, greed and lack of compassion and their excessive spending.
1.4 million in 2012 for citycare……
You’re stretching it churchwatcher. This is a massive chunk of money helping the needy and that is only one area of giving.
Can’t see how you justify your website when these people are giving huge amounts of money to people in need. Money makes a huge difference to the poor that can’t afford the basics to live.
Im not sure if it is just me but there seems to be something underlying in your website and reasons behind it that seems wrong.
Seems to be some sort of spiritual feeling coming through that your intentions are not 100% from God but are tainted with the wrong intention.
I get the sense that you are too far removed from the unsaved because of your intellectual knowledge and this is a roadblock to you seeing that the unsaved are a long way from where you are and that churches such as Hillsong play a strong role in reaching out to the lost regardless of how they spend their money or their shallowness of spirituality.
In fact they reach deep into the mainstream secular population and introduce God to thousands of people that would not nessacarily be reached. I believe you fail to understand how lost people actually are and how far they are from God. I don’t believe you actually comprehend this because you are too focussed on what it technically correct or not correct biblically
I sense on a spiritual level the fact that your website lacks love as the primary message means that possibly you have an agenda that is possibly not from God even though you believe it is.
(If you are a troll or hillsong basher – there seems to be a lot of them waiting to pounce around here – with some weak attack comment, probably don’t waste your time typing. It makes you look silly and desperate).
Garry – out of $85 million taken by Hill$ong last year, how much was spent on who? Perhaps you could fill us in. Centrelink pays in excess of $60 billion on welfare payments annually most years.
I know you can’t compare the two, but Hill$ong’s “contribution” in an economy of scale seems like mere tokenism, but even if it isn’t, their ‘welfare’ spending to date, is well below any taxes they would be forced to pay if their charitable status were revoked – well below…
BTW – any comments on the ‘tithing’ issue Garry? You seem to have fallen silent on that one…
It doesn’t matter how much they’ve ‘given’, it matters how much Brian’s taken.
Besides that Garry, Brian lied about Frank.
Explain that one away… while you’re trying to justify everything else.
Gary, why is what is factually/ biblically correct of such little importance to you? Which God, which Gospel, which message of salvation does Hillsong give to the unsaved world?
Are followers’ hearts changed? http://www.frankallnutt.com/NHB.02.WHC.html
Are minds renewed? http://www.christinyou.net/pages/renewmind.html
What about growth in holiness, love of truth, desire to please God *first*, hatred of sin -does Hillsong demonstrate all things?
Followers follow their leader/s’ example. e.g.Look at Houston’s documented history of deception and half-truths. Of course Hillsongees/ Hillsong defenders will value truth lightly, seeing “results” as all-important since that is what Hillsong teaches.
“Who cares how much Bobbie has in her pockets. That is between her and God. Has nothing to do with you me or anyone else.”
That would only be true if
(a) hillsong had not ever received any funding from the government (that is, from Australian taxpayers), and
(b) hillsong did not receive tax concessions that resulted in them being further financially propped up by those same taxpayers.
So what if they received funding from taxpayers……….??????
Look at the government itself. How much corruption goes on there between big business and council’s and state and federal governments?
The world is full of corruption. How much wastage happens with just local councils?
Massive amounts. And here you are concerned about one organisation of thousands getting tax help.
This is irrelevant in the big picture. Open your eyes to the scale of what goes on.
Hillsong is a blip. Thats the way the big end of town work. If you don’t understand this you are naive.
So Garry has a problem with us and not one of Australia’s biggest cults that are destroying people in the name of Jesus. His argument: “well the governments worse. See the bigger picture!”
Chap – you are playing the downplay fallacy. It is sickos like you that are the reason why the Christianity is hated by so many and why people blaspheme God. Stop appealing to the sin of the world to justify the crimes and evils of Hillsong.
“Hillsong is a blip. […] If you don’t understand this you are naive.”
Hillsong is a cult. If you don’t understand that, *you* are naive.
“And here you are concerned about one organisation of thousands getting tax help.
This is irrelevant in the big picture. Open your eyes to the scale of what goes on.”
No Garry, everybody already knows the world is corrupt. We’re talking about supposed Christians here.
YOU need to open YOUR eyes to what Jesus says in the Bible about false teachers AND leaven.
You IGNORE everything Jesus said. Why is that Garry? You’re not a Christian?
Garry, something hillsong does NOT conform to. Do you?
1 Thessalonians 5:22 King James Version (KJV)
“Abstain from all appearance of evil.”
If you read Malachi chapters 1, 2 and 3, you’ll see plainly and clearly that it is all about ‘giving God your best’. Back in Old Testament days, any offerings given to the priests of the Temple, had to be “without spot or wrinkle or blemish”, but Malachi’s word from the Lord was accusing God’s people of giving their second best – like giving someone a birthday present that you bought at the RSPCA op shop, and passing it off as new…
Incidentally, true “tithing” consisted of 10% of your produce, if you were a farmer, and selected animals if you were not. Money was only paid by people who lived too far away from the Temple, to get their produce there on “tithing day” before it went off inthe hot sun. Also, ‘tithes’ were for the support of the true priesthood (not fakes and phoneys like B&B) as well as the widows and orphans, and those who were disabled…
So much for “robbing God” – and if you really want to ‘tithe’ to Bobby and Brian, then hire yourself a 10 ton tip truck, get together with neighbours and friends, and fill it up with fruit and veg from the wholesale markets (add in the odd goat or two if you can find one – there’s probably one or two hanging around inthe Hill$ong car park anyway,) and drop it all off outside the Hou$ton’s beachside mansion – and then, and only then will you have fulfilled Malachi chapter 3… 🙂
Note: previously posted on churchwatchcentral.com
If you’re really interested about the facts Please read George Potkonyak’s ‘The truth about tithing’ on line. Search every scripture reference he cites to see if what he says is true.
Even if it were God’s will that we have to keep the Old Testament laws and rituals (which it isn’t) the tithing teaching you hear everywhere is a VERY mangled and manipulative version of what the tithe actually was. When I read that document I was shocked at my ignorance and every church denomination that teaches tithing.
It set me free from the burden of guilt and performance based religion I was under and I put other people under.
I’m not saying not to give to Gods work – the NT makes it clear that God wants us to support ministries – but it is a heart issue- as you ‘determine in your heart’. It’s a matter between you and Him and it is to be a joyous thing.
My opinion about the video is that a lot of projection is going on here about who is REALLY robbing God’s church.
Please don’t be guilted into earning God’s love and favour by any legalistic teaching that robs YOU of the free gift of God’s love and favour.
I usually refer people to http://www.tithingtruth.com...
This woman is a stupid whore to mammon. How does anyone take her seriously? This dopey and deceived high priestess of prosperity is a perfect example for Paul’s instruction that women should be silent in church.
boner man, how dare you write such a disrespectful, disgusting comment!!!! Calling any woman a whore is inexcusable. You are full of sin and are just as bad as these “churches”. This site should not allow such disgusting comments.
While I somewhat agree with your comments about whether it is ‘polite’ to call a woman a whole on social posts it is scriptural that the genealogy of Jesus includes Rahab the prostitute and Mary Magdalene was identified as being somewhat indiscriminate in whom she apparently had sex with if I read scriptures correctly. A former brothel owner and purveyor of sex in Perth identified as Linda got out of the trade after finding Jesus and ran a ministry helping others who were enmeshed in the selling of their bodies so whatever labels are applied we are all sinners fallen short of the glory of God, are we not?
You’ve missed my point, citizensinitiatedaction. I’m talking about the hatred and anger in the heart of boner man (not a very nice name). We need to deal with our own sins of our heart before we can be taken seriously as to the validity of our comments, when putting ourselves in the position of pointing out others errors. How can we see the splinter in our brothers and sisters if we have logs in our own eyes. The way we communicate shows what is in our heart. Boner man’s tone and words are showing he has a lot of issues towards women. I’m sure there’s a valid reason for it, but sin is sim, and we must repent of it, no matter how difficult that may be.
“boner man (not a very nice name)”
I have to admit I too took offense at his name as soon as I read it.
Yes, but I’m still waiting for a reply from Churchwatcher. Why do you allow unrepentant, angry, hateful people to attack others, on this site. Where’s your moderation?
Annette – “whore of mammon” is urban slang. You will also see this expression used when describing Wall Street, New York. (There’s a idea for a movie title! “Hillsong: Where Money Never Sleeps”).
Bobbie Houston is a greedy woman who seeks to warp and pervert the content of sound doctrine for her own greedy gain.
Matthew 5:24 ESV “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”
1 Timothy 6:10 ESV “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.”
@Annette,
In the Bible harlots & whores are used as symbols of unfaithfulness towards God, just as virgins & brides are used as symbols of purity and faithfulness . It is obvious that Bobbie Houston is a money lover and therefore not a lover of God and so Boner man’s comment about her being a “whore to mammon” is probably not unjust. I am sure he is not suggesting that she is a literal whore, like the literal whores that Pat Mesiti visited when he was a king pin at Hillsong. Boner man is also quite right about women being “silent” in church, as St Paul taught. Bobbie is deceived and is babbling false doctrine, she certainly aught not be in a position of authority as she clearly is. Could you imagine if St Paul were to write an epistle to the cult of Hillsong? It would be a stinging rebuke. I hope you don’t think that the Apostle Paul has “issues” with women?
Alphie – sorry, your comment got caught up in moderation overnight (all comments are moderated before approval).
Ok, but you don’t have to call her stupid. I know I’ve commented badly before, but I no longer will because we have to be accountable towards God for every word we say. It’s important to speak the truth in love.
Malachi was written to the priests (the leaders) who were robbing God.She needs to actually read her bible and stop bible twisting!
“Hillsong doesn’t force us to give money. We give it freely.’
Bobbies is manipulating cult members to part with at least 10% of their cash.
This Hillsong “thing” is such a lie.
“Kingdom Builders Between £250 and £5,000+ per month
(£3,000 and £60,000+ per year)
Those who have the passion and the means to finance the Kingdom in a significant way”
http://hillsong.com/London/foundation/
No-on has answered my comment on the offensiveness of boner mans offensive secret name.
“The Boner surname can be derived from a town in Scotland; or it can mean a chain of hills; hills for tillage; or, the hill of slaughter.The Cornish British, Bonar, means the house of slaughter. Origins can also be Irish or Polish, but ultimately are pre 8th century Old French.”
That’s not the only interpretation and I’m sure he’s not Scottish. All you commenters use false names. St Paul would never had done that. No accountability when using false names, you can keep everyone guessing. No courage in that.
No. But it keeps those we love protected from being destroyed by the cults we are challenging.
Do you have a life, or do you spend your whole time learning meaningless facts
Annette – this is why your comments end up in moderation. You took the name down a path that’s wasn’t necessary, a path of presumption and dirty mindedness.
“St Paul would never had done that. No accountability when using false names, you can keep everyone guessing. No courage in that.”
Annette, This is why you have a history of 2 steps forward, 1 step back. Still exhibiting extensive rebellion.
* Who wrote the book of Hebrews?
* What time of day did Gideon destroy the altar?
You need to learn the Scriptures.
I’ m somewhat on your side Annette. Nothing wrong with speaking frankly, quite another to be rude, ill-mannered or UNnecessarily provocative. Too often people who post on this website seem to completely forget that UNSAVED people, along with those who may be in the early stages of reaching a decision to leave churches such as HillSong DO come to this website seeking information.
What they hope to find are factual, well reasoned comments, that will help them make a sensible decision.
Writing thoughtless comments, taking cheap personal shots at individuals or even adopting unwise pseudonyms might well turn some of those people ‘off’ long before they ever get to finding what they are looking for.
One of the many possible reasons people can initially fall into the grip of groups such as Hillsong is that they are ‘biblically illiterate’. So if you use the word ‘whore’ for example, such people will very likely give it the common usage meaning it has in today’s society, and which they are no doubt quite familiar with.
Probably they would have no idea at all of any of the underlying hebrew or greek senses and the meanings “whore’ might have in a bible translation’ .
The questions I’m posing to the moderators and posters to this site are: Just WHO is the audience you are attempting to reach? and “What impression will an unsaved person get from this site and the comments made by various posters”?/
Thanks for commenting Andronicus – if you are a regular reader of this site you would have noticed Annette has a history of attacking others who comment here. Is she unaware, as the Christian she says she is, that in her finger-pointing, she has four aimed back targeting herself for hypocrisy?
You write: “Writing thoughtless comments, taking cheap personal shots at individuals”, “might well turn some of those people ‘off’ long before they ever get to finding what they are looking for.”
If we posted Annette’s latest (moderated) comments, at least 7, that audience you refer to would be very much put off – if Annette continues in her claim to be Christian?
“Probably they would have no idea at all of any of the underlying hebrew or greek senses and the meanings “whore’ might have in a bible translation’ .”
That’s too bad, they better toughen their skin a little if they’re going to join a Bible conversation or read the Bibles, because this word is often used in the Bible even referring to idolatry:
EZEKIEL 23:30 ESV… have brought this upon you, because you played the WHORE with the nations and defiled yourself with their idols.
PSALM 106:30 ESV… Thus they became unclean by their acts, and played the WHORE in their deeds.
EXODUS 34:15 KJV… Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go A WHORING after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
JUDGES 2:17 KJV… And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went A WHORING after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.
To ChurchWatcher and Billy
OK – you both seemed to have missed my point
I don’t believe that comments such as:
“It is sickos like you that are the reason why the Christianity is hated by so many and why people blaspheme God” (made by Churchwatcher to Garry)
OR
“That’s too bad, they better toughen their skin a little if they’re going to join a Bible conversation or read the Bibles… ” (made by Billy)
will be of any help at all to any UNSAVED people – who might by chance visit this website merely to READ it, because they’ve heard about Hillsong via A Current affair – and who are seeking some extra information, or perhaps ‘help’ of some kind.
Originally, this particular page seemed to start out with the admirable objective of pointing out the error in Bobbies interpretation of the Malachi verse and give concrete evidence of that.
But it was downhill all the way from that point on in my view
But that’s fine, that’s only MY opinion… its your blog, and its up to you to decide ‘just who’ is the audience you are trying to reach and inform, your reasons for doing so, and your choice (not mine) as to how you go about doing that.
Unfortunately, once you put stuff out on the internet for all to see, you have little or no control at all as to who gets to read it, or the conclusions they might form.
Thanks for your input, Andronicus – just to confuse the issue there’s more than one Churchwatcher moderating and commenting here. Sometimes it’s easy to figure that out judging by the tone. 😄
“That’s too bad, they better toughen their skin a little if they’re going to join a Bible conversation or read the Bibles… ” (made by Billy)
We didn’t miss anything in your point.
1. I see no problem with Church watchers or My comments. They were true. The audience isn’t the wimpy sissies you make them out to be. Maybe you should take offense at Jesus throwing moneychangers out of the temple, sounds too harsh for your type of audience Adronics.
2. Why is it we quote lots of verses that are indeed relevant, and you never quote any? You need to decide if you will have the Opinions of the Bible Adronicus or the opinions of one man (yourself).
And as far as “the conclusions they might form”, if they are drawn by the Father, they will draw the right conclusions. One comment here or there on this or any forum won’t prevent a true child of God from getting saved. You can’t censor every website.
will be of any help at all to any UNSAVED people – who might by chance visit this website merely to READ it
Furthermore Adronicus read early church history.Early Christians didnt “frame discussions” to “tiptoe around feelings” of the unsavd. They threw the heretics out after heated debates. Whether the unsaved liked it or not!! These comments are so watered down compared to that its laughable.
I’m sure St Paul would never call himself boner man
No Churchwatcher, you are wrong. I DO NOT HAVE A DIRTY MIND. How dare you insult me this way!!!!! The issue is the secrecy of the commenters here. How can anyone know who boner man is and what he means by his name as he does not have the courage to show who he is. Your comment towards me is inexcusable and you need to get on your knees befor eGod and repent!!!
And where is boner man,, he’s disappeared. Have the courage, boner man, to reveal who you really are, And Explain your “secret name,. How gutless is it to not reveal your true identity, and this goes for all who comment here under an alias
I used to work in the abattoirs, as a boner, in the boning room, so my name is more about my skill set, not about any super powers that I may or may not have. When the meat works closed and I had to go to the government for assistance, it was a bit like the “Bigus Dickus” scene in Life of Brian. Previous occupation: Boner. By the way, do you have a lot of cats? Your posts remind me of a lady I once knew, she had a lot of cats.
Abattoir work is hard yakka. I have a friend who was also a boner, he tells me that you never quite get used to the smell… A metaphor for hill$ong really.
Unfortunately in Australia the term has become the equivalent of a four letter word (explaining the immediate negative response from one contributor).
Perhaps changing to something like bones man would prevent further confusion?
Learning scripture, as an intellectual exercise, does nothing to change the human heart, as is evident by the nasty attitude of the commentators here!!!
“Learning scripture, as an intellectual exercise, does nothing to change the human heart, as is evident by the nasty attitude of the commentators here!!!”
You have no excuse. Your lack of Scriptural knowledge has always been plainly seen in many of your futile arguments, rebellious posts, and arrogant attitudes.
In addition, you have wasted too much time picking up Gordy’s faulty logic.
Annette. Matthew 15:19 should answer what the heart of man is like. Knowing scripture does change your heart as the heart of man is evil.
To the pure, all things are pure. So what if the fellow’s name is Boner man or homo erectus? Does the Valley of Dry Bones in Ezekiel worry you? Do you run around in circles at the thought of the Beast with 10 Horns in Rev? What if my name was really Richard Stiffy, would you be offended by that? Silly Christians getting offended by all the silly stuff that doesn’t matter while they give dear old Brian and his border line retarded wife a free pass. Brian Houston covered up his father Frank’s sex crimes against children, they are the bones you ought be offended about.
I am offended by Brian Houston covering up his fathers sex crimes, I’m offended by Con Hee, I’m offended by potato pringle. However im also offended by the gutless people on this site who do not reveal their true identities, something that St. Paul would never have done. You attack me as to my cleanliness of mind, which God and myself know could not be further than the truth. You guys are a bunch of gutless, mixed up trouble makers.
You owe Boner Man an apology, Annette. That would be the godly thing to do.
Seriously Annette? Boner man has replied to you, and you owe him an apology.
Annette continues to post vitriolic comments that are staying in moderation. Our apologies to all since Annette deems it unnecessary to acknowledge Boner Man’s explanation.
“im also offended by the gutless people on this site who do not reveal their true identities, something that St. Paul would never have done.”
* Who wrote the book of Hebrews?
* What time of day did Gideon destroy the altar?
Well, the gutless writer of Hebrews did it, and so did gutless Gideon. Maybe you should tear those pages out of your Bible.
You need to learn the Scriptures. And stop listening to Gordy. He is not your friend.
Its, ok. I don’t need an apology. Annette is obviously upset. Things could be worse, I used to play the trombone when I was a lad so I was going to call myself “Roaring Horn”, I’m glad now that I didn’t, she may have burst a blood vessel. I still think that Bobbi Houston is stupid, she fulfills all the requirements according to my dictionary.
Well said trumpet. Don’t forget the excuses Moses gave before he actually did something.
Unfortunately Annette has come on this website to boss people around, make demands, pass judgements & give orders.
Evidently she is one of those Fascist Christians that Chris Rosebrough talks about…..
Annette thinks calling those who comment here “bogans in the gutter” (in a moderated comment), is not as offensive as someone, who worked in an abattoir as a boner, calling himself “boner man”.
And she’s not a “fascist”, just self-righteous and bad-mannered.
“However I’m also offended by the gutless people on this site who do not reveal their true identities …”
But surely your offence does not extend to Zorro – that famed raconteur and apologist at large, that bane of prosperity gospel heretics the world over?
“Learning scripture, as an intellectual exercise, does nothing …”
“And you must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your ****MIND****, and all your strength.” Deut 6:5
“Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your ****MIND****”. Rom 12:2
The answer to every question, the refutation of every vain imagining, and the weapons to utterly crush every lofty stronghold that exalts itself above the knowledge of God can be found in the Bible, for those who care to look.
How much do Bobbie and Brian tithe?
You guys should know the answer to this…..
Who cares how much they tithe Garry? You’re a turkey mate.
They can give or take as much as they want. They are B and B of Australia. Famous now.
God works with the famous too you know and cares about them just like any other sinner bro.
300K is a drop in the ocean pal.
$300,000 salary to Hill$ong, but there’s no documentary proof of this, as there is no public access to their books of account for anyone outside of senior board members and other select staff…
Sorry – my above post should’ve read at the beginning:
“Brian has often stated that he donates his…”
By their fruit (actions) you will know them . . . We will all answer to Him including the Houston dynasty members. What profit is it to a man or woman if they gain the whole world (or a very comfortable salary and lifestyle) and lose their soul (or personal integrity under God)?
Here we go again with the old fruit argument. Problem is the fruit of this blog that supports and hangs around this blog seems to be a bit on the rotten side.
It’s the Hill$ong ‘fruit’ is the works of the flesh as listed in Galatians 5:19, 20:
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies”
If that doesn’t adequately describe Hill$ong and its antics, then what does, Nutter???
“Brian has often stated that he donates his…”
And he can easily afford to, after all the money he’s ‘skimmed’ off the Body of Christ. So not much of a sacrifice.
Billy, you’re probably right – even if BH does ‘donate’ his salary, it still begs the question as to what it may be spent on…
Also, it’s probably mere tokenism compared to Hill$ong’s $85t millions+ each year…
Yes, but this also doesnt include that he benefitted from hillsong to establish himself as a high profile author.
And as a conference speaker.
And how much does he get in perks.
And how much financial pressure did it take off his family that his son benefitted from Hillson to sell all those records.
And supposedly he was the producer for that early hillsong music.
Does the average joe get all those ‘opportunities’? I think not. Look at the big picture. Hillsong has been a goldmine to put it mildly…..
When I said “And supposedly he was the producer for that early hillsong music” I mean Brian.
Can you name one single pew-bound average joe Christian who has gotten all this fame and opportunity? No. Not a single one. HS was a windfall. A cash cow.
To further clarify think of it this way.
After someone ‘somehow’ (think shady shady) gets financially set for life, it doesnt matter ‘how much’ they supposedly ‘give’ after that, so what? they’re already set for life.
What matters to God, is “how they got there” in the first place.
See my point??
When unsaved are standing before The Judge, and it quickly dawns on them what level their lives will be scrutinized, they will be horrified. Every action and thought will get examined. No stone will be unturned, nothing will go unoticed or unpunished. All the fun and games will be over…..
1 JOHN 1:5 NIV…. This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is NO DARKNESS at all.
MATTHEW 5:25-26 NASB… Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. “Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up THE LAST CENT.”
Or put another way. It doesn’t matter how ‘generous’ one is afterward with that money / their money , after one robs a bank, he is still guilty of robbign a bank. They can tithe all they want, donate their salary for 10 years, do charity work, community work, make money other careers afterward, yada yada.
But the fact remains….. God won’t have a sudden memory lapse: they robbed a bank.
Al Capone was seen as generous by some. But he was a generous crook.
Supposedly rick Warren ‘reverse tithes.’ There is no such thing. Who is he fooling??
Not God!!
The vile Houston and his hideous wife aught shell out some real dollars in compensation to the victims of his father’s sex crimes. IMO, by covering up the crimes, they have participated in them just as wickedly as if they had held the victim down while the old pervert had his evil way. Their actions remind me of the hypocrisy of the scribes & pharisees that was so rightly rebuked by the Good Shepherd. Matt 23:29-33.
Below you can see the detailed London accounts. Perfectly legal not stolen – from uk charities commision.
Whoever harms one of these little ones it is better for those to have a millstone placed around their neck and be thrown into the ocean . . . .
Check out their accounts from the UK and see for yourself. Pastor paid 150k pounds (assumption as this is the top wage mentioned) 312 k aussie dollars that is. Here is the link to their latest UK accounts.
Click to access 0001120355_AC_20141231_E_C.pdf
I am no accountant but this document seems not to show vast amounts going to good causes
Wow, helping poor people isn’t exactly on top of their list. In fact I don’t think they spend much on what I would define as “charitable activities” at all, and it’s certainly way down their list of principal activities. Unfortunately what they define as “charitable activities” includes Conferences & Events, Resource Sales (books etc I presume), Teaching and Ministry, and “Missions” which I have no idea is supposed to be, but doesn’t sound charitable at all. In fact they have more cash sitting in a building fund than is put aside for any of their so called “charitable” (my definition) programs.
I have to say I am really shocked at how little they do to help the needy, given the amount of money. I didn’t think it was going to be a lot but I had thought it was going to be more than this…
Btw one of their trustees has a “Doctorate in Church Administration”! Seriously, what the heck is that all about??? Sounds like diploma mill stuff
Missions in my church are more like charity support. People who work for charities that we support or people from the church sent overseas to work with charities. To me that seemed like out reach, but like you say it is less than 1% of the income.
It is confusing. Hopefully another Dr of church whatever can clear it up. I havd asked an accountant if they understand it.
I think the Tv program said that $3.5 million approx. was spend on helping people in need in Australia. Did I hear that correct? Not sure how much was off shore. Can anyone confirm? Funnily enough, all the believers I knew were really angry at the excesses. Ha! Forget about nonbelievers.
The annual report said 7% went to mission / charity so roughly 7 million dollars. Not sure how many charities benefitted from this money.
Not even a 10% tithe 😉
“Unfortunately what they define as “charitable activities” includes Conferences & Events, Resource Sales (books etc I presume)”
So therefore Hillsong’s “charitable activities” includes giving a worldwide platform to False Teachers such as Mark Driscoll and others.
When there are thousands of legitimate ministries out there who do not give a platform to heretics and error, why would anyone give ANY money at all to Hillsong?
AFAIAC, anyone who donates to a False Church which spreads False Teachings is as guilty as the persons creating the False Teachings themselves.
Avoid Hillsong.
H folks – here’s a link to my blog and a naughty little article called “Blasphemy Incorporated”. In it is a description of those who name call true Christians, and why:
https://thorsanvil.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/blasphemy-incorporated/
You’ll see some ‘names, addresses and phone numbers’ that you’ll recognise – enjoy!
That’s a boring blog Apollo.
I see you have ads on it too…..Oh – trying to make some MONEY?????
Sorry, but there are NO ads on my blog – open your eyes ‘Sammy’, it’s Hou$ton that’s onto money – Mammon worship, not me!
As for boring, in the last 6 weeks, I’ve had:
1234 views
233 visitors
33 likes
29 coments
With no promotion or advertising (FB, G+, etc.)
Recently, two other blogs (one very well known one…) have linked to TGP and many bloggers were happy for us to swap links and ideas for articles.
Perhaps ‘Sammy’ it is your comments that are boring, and not my blog ???
You better double check pal because when i look at it there is an AOL ad at the bottom of the text…..
“You better double check pal because when i look at it there is an AOL ad at the bottom of the text…..”
That’s because of your particular browser & browsing history, not from his website, dumbo.
So its an ad thats not an ad.
Im not the only person in the world using this browser last time i checked.
“And in context it’s saying when you withhold or draw back you actually rob God, well we don’t rob God because we can’t rob God, but we rob His heart for the earth…”
Bobbie Houston says that is “in context”?
What a liar.
A $300,000 salary for any Hillsong or any other Pastor is only what ‘one’ would expect for someone ‘called’ to be a Servant-hearted leader . . . Hang on . . . I thought that servants didn’t get paid . . . only got Board & Keep . . . and that’s not usually leasing/owning/renting a VERY PLUSH Mansion . . . oh, well, I was wrong again it seems . . . . Perhaps Apostle Paul was paid a similar amount or St. John on the Isle of Patmos as a pension . . . the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil . . . . Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s . . . . Hmmmmm
Unfortunately, that salary is nothing compared to the so called worship leaders who play at all their conferences. Many are millionaires and multi ones. They send their children to top private schools costing over 100,000 dollars and live in houses worth easily over 2 million dollars. But in their eyes they have been blessed and are doing it for the Kingdom. I am sure they give generously to the poor etc. However, make sure they and their family are very well looked after. All prosperity gospel lies. What about most Christians who are blessed, with eternal live but struggle daily to make ends meet.
$300,000 salary ????? Yeah – that’s huge in the Western World – not.
citizensinitiatedaction – Which part of the bible says you can’t have money and lots of it?
Money is a tool – a bit like you.
You are right. Money is a tool. The difference between Christianity and Hillsong is that Christians don’t worship money.
Maybe what she should have said was…
“…well we don’t rob God because we can’t rob God, but we rob His PEOPLE.”
Rob their ministry more like. God asks us to give with a generous spirit, not be told by manipularive people who try to pull the emotional strings of you bad christian if you dont do as i say. You pay for a conference. They then spend 15 minutes pulling at your heart strings to give more money into their buckets. Many give money and lots have already given and can’t afford more. So they are robbing their delegates and church.
You dude clearly have a problem with making lots of momey. Money is just a tool.
Hillsong is the greatest church on earth. If you guys havent been you need to go and give them some of your cash.
They need help you know. Sitting behind a blog and not joining in with their fellowship is bad for you dont you know that?
Get into hillsong and give them as much as your money as you can. They need it for all the help they are spreading around the world.
Come on dont be shy.
“Hillsong is the greatest church on earth”
Yeah? Based on what criteria… your feelings?
Come on guys. Hillsong needs your money. They are doing a fantastic job. Millions of people in the world need to hear about God. Hillsong has done more in 10 years than the Anglican church has done in 100 years.
Spread the word. Your blog is doing a fantastic job of giving them even more publicity which is fantastic! Havent you noticed the numbers are dramatically increasing. All because of ACA and blogs like this one.
Its like ISIS trying to draw the US into a ground war. They know if they get the US o the ground in Syria then there will be even more terrorist attacks.
So great job fellas. Keep up the good work with your fantastic blog and millions more will be saved and can donate millions more to hillsong to help even more people.
I mean its just fantastic isnt it? The amount of people who are being touched by God through Hillsong is just awesome.
Well done on helping the hillsong gravy train! Donate donate donate! Woo hoo!
Gotta love that smell of cold hard easy cash!!!!
The anti-biblical Hillsong cult is flaming out.
I can’t wait until the day that unholy temple shutters its doors for good.
Charles j – what do you mean by flaming out? Is its influence declining? Please explain…
He means his toast in the toaster has burnt to a crisp and he is out of ideas on how he can attack hillsong further.
he Probably means sammy and Nutter’s brains are toast because they attend hillsong.
Like brian houston who also has toast for brains. Houston is the Pope’s “yes man”.
he means Brian houston is the go-to guy for the Catholic church, and Darlene “Yucksch” is the Catholic’s leading lady.
Those two are the back door for the catholics to get iinto protestant churches.
Those two traiters are uniting With the catholic pope, and sorry Nutter backs them 100%
Cha Ching!
I have been to Hillsong and have friends involved very high up in the organisation. Money is a tool as you say. To serve the poor and needy not to make us personal huge wealth. Imagine how more could be done if people didn’t make personal fortunes and gave more away to the church and charities.
If you love Hillsong great. But I hope you also have a discerning spirit.
My concern is the touch by God is short lived for some as they do not fully understand Christianity and I have seen many fall by the way side. Leave Hillsong and other similar churches over the world and those Souls then never return to church.
Comparing this blog to ISIS is just awful. I hope you are never effected by ISIS in your city / country.
For me it is here to educate. I do not agree with all that is written here. But people need to be able to make an informed decision based on the good and bad experiences so they can discern and make decisions with all the facts.
Hillsong is fantastic because it introduces people to God. It reaches wide and is connecting to the unsaved. People still have responsibility to learn more about God. That is why they encourage people to attend small groups.
People experience God in other churches and then never return to church. To paint hillsong with this brush is incorrect. Look at the Anglican church. How many people attend that and pretend to be Christians? How many people go there and then leave after a while?
This blog is doing a fantastic job! It was compared to the ISIS situation not the organisation. The intention of this blog is to warn against hillsong and to try and make it flame out.
But what it is really doing is fanning the flames which is awesome. Millions more people will be saved by attending hillsong because of this blog so well done guys. Millions more will give their money to hillsong because of this blog.
Any news is good news! And a blog like this that ranks well is spreading the hillsong message further and further and promoting it stronger and stronger.
This is so awesome it is just a blessing in disguise. Obviously this blog has been started for a reason and it is great that it can spread the fantastic word of hillsong further so they can get more money.
When you say that more of the money should be spent on the poor you have limited God.
Its all his money anyway so he can get more if he wants and give it to whoever he wants.
Thats the biggest problem with this blog. Money. The slammers here have a problem with money and see it as a limited resource when in fact it is up to God to deal with and share the money as he sees fit.
I would bet that the slammers on this website struggle personally to deal with their own money, manage it correctly and to just make ends meet. That is why when they see b and b have so much cash they get on their high horse.
If God chooses to give it to b and b through donations then that is his choice.
“I would bet that the slammers on this website struggle personally to deal with their own money, manage it correctly and to just make ends meet. That is why when they see b and b have so much cash they get on their high horse.
If God chooses to give it to b and b through donations then that is his choice.”
An interesting assessment, ‘Nutter’ – or is that ‘Newtaste’? Jesus said that we would always have poor people with us in the church, so if Hill$ong is seeking to get rid of them, you’d have to ask yourself why…
Why would God choose to give b and b ANY money at all, seeing they have $85 million+ and won’t show the details of how/where it is spent? Never mind government ‘charity’ reports, show me the books…
Let’s face it folks, the Hou$tons have had plenty of time to have ‘salted away’ lots of money in spurious bank accounts both here and overseas, possibly meaning that they have enough ‘invisible capital’ to support them, should they choose to ‘do a runner’ at a later date…
“Thats the biggest problem with this blog. Money.”
False. The biggest problem everybody everywhere has with Hillsong is its lies.
Their emphasis / usage of money is just one of its many lies.
Hillsong was created based on one big lie, and Hillsong remains a lie to this day.
“False.”
It’s not False – it is True.
Old churchwatcher and apollo are all hung up and twisted about money because they see other become successful in what they are good at.
They think it is EVIL to be successful.
Frank Houston was successful at molesting children and successful at keeping out of prison. Brian was successful at covering up his father’s sins and crimes. That sort of success is evil to the core. Jesus said that you will know a tree by its fruit – Houston fruit is evil.
“They think it is EVIL to be successful.”
Correction, they correctly discern it is EVIL to be EVIL.
Brian didn’t commit the crimes – it’s pretty low to put him in the same boat and then say the fruit is evil.
That is just wrong.
Please enlighten us Sammy. Show us where we have said money is evil?
Fred, BH admitted to the royal commission that he did not report his father’s crimes to the police. He knew of multiple child victims over many years. He was required by law to report the crimes. He sheltered a serial pedophile. He shares in his father’s guilt. His fruit is rotten.
This blog always bangs on about how bad hillsong is because “you will know a tree by its fruit”.
This is complete rubbish and twisting of God’s word. FB might have had bad fruit but it doesn’t mean the whole organisation does.
You are stretching it way too thin with this one.
After all who founded the Anglican church? How much good or bad fruit has come out of there?
It’s a weak argument to ‘generalise’ the whole organisation as bad fruit. But you guys keep banging on about it and keep trying to convince yourselves.
“This is complete rubbish and twisting of God’s word.”
If you are accusing us of somehow twisting Jesus’ words, prove it. Otherwise you are speaking the same language as Brian Houston and his father.
“It’s a weak argument to ‘generalise’ the whole organisation as bad fruit.”
The head of Hillsong is bad fruit. It all goes downhill from there.
“Brian didn’t commit the crimes – it’s pretty low to put him in the same boat and then say the fruit is evil. That is just wrong.”
Brian covering up Frank’s crimes is what was evil concerning Brian’s case……
That makes Brian a participatory in Frank’s crimes, which actually does put him in the same evil rotten boat……
“After all who founded the Anglican church? How much good or bad fruit has come out of there?”
John and Charles Wesley ‘came out of there’ and were used by God to spark a nation wide revival.
When was the last time Hill$ong did that???
What about Micheal Cooper? Good or bad fruit there?
Anglican – bad fruit?
Dont see your blog banging on about Anglican bad fruit.
Your constant argument about bad fruit and hillsong is a weak argument and a beat up.
Hundreds of organisations have ‘problems’ with particular people. Doesnt mean the whole organisation is bad.
Stretch it as far as you can though. If you beat it up hard enough ACA might offer you a job.
Pathetic argument really. Not christian behaviour either to sling mud and keep slinging it.
“Hundreds of organisations have ‘problems’ with particular people.”
Though not with their leaders. The *head* of Hillsong is bad fruit.
“Doesnt mean the whole organisation is bad.”
With a rotted head, there is only one way it can go from there — downhill.
I thought you said before that organisations and heads of churches are not the church but people are the church?
Would it matter then if the head is rotten?
You can’t have it both ways. Obviously you are making it up to suit whatevers suits you.
What a shambles. Is it the organisation or is it the people? If kts the people then the people at hillsong are part of the church.
Keep stretching the truth to shine the spotlight on yourself.
The reason money is frequently mentioned as a problem, with all fake ministries such as Hillsong, is because it’s one of the easiest lies to spot. It always leaves a trail.
If you can’t spot it, then you’re spiritually blind deaf and dumb.
That’s because you are hung up about money and you spot it straight away because it is on your brain – money, money, money, money, money.
You can’t accept that money is just a tool and if you had tons of it you can do many great things.
Just like Hillsong are doing. Go and give all your wage to Hillsong. You will feel so much better if you empty your wallet into Hillsong.
Be brave now. (Buy a CD and a book while you are there)
Hey folks – I think that the ‘bible college’ kids from Alphacrusis are out loose on (Sunday) school holidays… and they’ve decided to say ‘hi’ while going past.
It’s ‘troll time’ again… 🙂
Garbage apollo. Talking through your dentures mate.
The only trolls around here is this whole blog. Trying to drag others down instead of getting out into hillsong and helping to teach and educate others more about God.
If you did that instead of trashing everyones reputations without addressing it PRIVATELY with them imagine how much better you would feel about yourself.
One word comes to mind. Repentence.
Shameful really.
“The only trolls around here is this whole blog. Trying to drag others down instead of getting out into hillsong and helping to teach and educate others more about God.”
People who dont know thei Bible make up commments like yours.
first i thought sammy was biblically illiterate, but youre worse.
“Shameful really.”
whats really shameful is Nutter dosnt just live the Hillsong lie, hes gotta run around pushing it too on everyone else .
but everybody else is smarter than Nutter so nobodys interested in this smarter group of people who actually do study the Bible!
2 corinthians : “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?”
but your idols brian Houston and Darlene “Yeeck” gotta be one united with pope frankie. because they and you all follow the spirit of Antichrist!
Cha Ching!
Nutter: this passage refers to what Jesus commands RE a Christian who has been PERSONALLY sinned against by another believer. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18%3A15-17&version=KJV
Time for you to research what is commanded RE false teachers/ prophets in the church and people who sin.
e.g. 1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before *all*, that others may fear.
Publicly rebuking in private is effectively an oxymoron.
@Nutter:
“If you did that instead of trashing everyones reputations without addressing it PRIVATELY with them imagine how much better you would feel about yourself.”
Addressing sin privately is based on Matthew 18 – addressing the sins of leaders PUBLICALLY is based on 1 Timothy 5:19, 20:
“19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.”
“Go and give all your wage to Hillsong. You will feel so much better if you empty your wallet into Hillsong.”
The foolishness of a troll.
Does Bobbie Houston really think the almighty, all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe from nothing really need people’s money to do what He wills?
Why isn’t there any mention of that to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden?
Like God saying “I need your tithes and donations Adam, I can’t do what I will on the earth without your cash, honestly I can’t…”
Did God tell Moses He couldn’t part the Red Sea without financial assistance from His people first?
Did Jesus need people’s cash before He performed miracles to do what He willed?
“Peter, tell the people in the crowd I need more than fish and bread to feed them, I need 10% of their wage to receive power from my heavenly Father…”
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Only if you substitute the name “Hillsong” for “God” does her claim make sense.
HILLSONG’s heart will be robbed for the earth. HILLSONG will feel robbed if/when Hillsong supporters wake up, compare her claims with what the bible says and and close their wallets/purses.
Brain & Boobie peddle the gospel for profit, they preach the prosperity gospel which is another gospel and therefore no gospel at all. They are deceived and are deceiving others at the same time and have an audience that will not suffer sound doctrine but would rather have their ears tickled and the baser elements of their humanity catered to. They are lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. These are indeed terrible times.
To say that B and B and extravagantly wealthy and sucking cash off hillsong congregation for their own gain is ignoring the facts of how much it costs to run an organization of that scale.
You are naive when it come to money and running an entity that has responsibilities.
It doesn’t take much to run a blog does it? What $15 bucks a year for a domain?
Get a reality check of what it takes to run organizations. How much are the top CEO’s earning?
– Cameron Clyne – $7.7 million pay-and-perks package
– Mr Norris pay package of $16.2 million
– Gail Kelly’s pay deal $9.6 million
– Mike Smith package worth $10.9 million
These are their salaries – not the profit. 1 eighth of Hilsong’s turnover.
And you think 300K salary is a lot? Dream on tiger.
Doesn’t look like it when you consider the responsibilities of running an entity that supports a hundreds of people.
Not as simple as whacking up a blog and getting trolls to feed it though eh?
This blog has a massive issue with MONEY. They think it is EVIL because others have used it as a tool to spread God’s word.
It’s ALWAYS about the money……..
You can’t compare a Westpac with a Hillsong. for starters Westpac provides services which other people freely pay to use, and from this it makes profits on which it pays taxes. Hillsong pays no tax and manipulates the weak and desperate to give it money by twisting scripture. They do not give it freely, they are coerced by being told that they are stealing from “God’s Heart” if they do not. And we can see from Hillsong UK’s financials that as a church they do very very little actual charity work, all the money goes on things like travel, conferences and lighting.
A Westac is also accountable to its shareholders and numerous other stakeholders such as ASIC. Hillsong is accountable to nobody and therefore able to keep its finances out of sight and leadership team restricted to family and close friends.
Also I suspect B & B take in far more than $300k, by through claiming expenses. I for one would like to see the ATO do a thorough fringe benefits audit.
Why cant you compare one organisation against another? Wake up pal. They are large organisations.
If you had even a little bit of understanding about what it takes to operate a large organisation you wouldnt say such ignorant comments.
The point is 300k to run a large organisation is chicken feed broski.
Nutter… the Church Should never, Ever be an Organisation. It is Christ’s church, He bled and died for her. Think about that for a minute. When was the last time you heard that preached at a Hillsong Church. Hillsong is BRIAN’S Church… Not Christ’s
“The point is 300k to run a large organisation is chicken feed broski”
a too big for their britches organisation is right, even them medias knows big bully hillsongs is not a real church. And brian Houstons not a real pastor. Anyone with common sense will tell you hes a fake from a mile away.
Chris you are dribbling in your cornflakes.
Just because it is an organisation (like the anglican and catholic churches by the way) doesnt mean it and the people within it dont belong to Christ.
Did God not create the world including your own brain to create things like organisations to praise, worship Him and spread His church further?
If you havent been to hillsong then how do you know what is preached there? I’m not sure your even a Christian Chris?
You’re not behaving like one are you?
“chris you’re not behaving like a christian are you?”
Yes he is.
but for nutty once again its you the pot calling the kettle black
but there is no evidence brian Houston is a christian.
This man you worship is clearly not one.
all the evidence proves he is a liar though.
Nutter, I’m going out on a limb here to and presume you have very little, if any, experience with the upper management levels of corporate Australia. Your response is a bit juvenile – do you really think Hillsong pastors have anything near the duties and responsibilities of a corporate CEO? Fine, how about you list the key statutory (and key non-statutory, but please label if non-stat) tasks/duties BH has to perform or comply with that are the same as say a Westpac CEO is obligated to. Once you’ve done that I’ll list the tasks/duties he doesn’t have to comply with, and then we’ll let the audience decide if they have anywhere near the same amount of responsibility. Deal?
Comparing a profit making organisation and a NGO or Church is crazy.
Still it amazes me when Save the Children, UNICEF etc pay the extraordinary amounts(over 1,000,000) claiming they are getting the best people for the job. Check out the Salvation Army leader who claimed something like $13,000 per year.
They also have the respect of the community.
Many non profit organisations loose site of what they are actually there for.
Look at the evidence for Hillsong London – https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/percentile-points-from-1-to-99-for-total-income-before-and-after-tax
Point 4 page 14 shows what was given away. Is that the poor needy and vulnerable? It does not sound that way to me.
Don’t forget the vast income from selling books, TV rights etc.
Hillsong is accountable to God, its congregation,it’s elders, the Australian government and fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
Like many other large Christian charities maybe it should sign up to ECFA.
Founded in 1979, ECFA provides accreditation to leading Christian nonprofit organizations that faithfully demonstrate compliance with established standards for financial accountability, transparency, fundraising, and board governance. The Christ-centered ministries accredited by ECFA include churches, denominations, educational institutions, rescue missions, camps, and many other types of tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organizations. Collectively, these organizations represent over $25 billion in annual revenue.
Luke 17:3
Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,
Click to access 0001120355_AC_20141231_E_C.pdf
Sammy,
The fact that you’re comparing Hillsong to companies and Brian Houston to CEOs says it all. There’s really nothing more to say other than please, read your Bible.
” Why isn’t there any mention of that to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden?
Like God saying “I need your tithes and donations Adam, I can’t do what I will on the earth without your cash, honestly I can’t…”
Did God tell Moses He couldn’t part the Red Sea without financial assistance from His people first?
Did Jesus need people’s cash before He performed miracles to do what He willed?
“Peter, tell the people in the crowd I need more than fish and bread to feed them, I need 10% of their wage to receive power from my heavenly Father…”
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
We live in a world that operates on money. People generally get paid as a reward for their work which helps them survive. Do you get paid for your work????
God chooses wether or not to use people’s money to do his work – not us.
To make blanket dumb statements like above is a weak argument. God can do things on earth WITH or WITHOUT money.
To say that he doesn’t need or doesn’t use money is IGNORANT.
Those questions are meant to produce the “No way! Jesus/ God would never say such ridiculous things!!!” reflex response.
Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
If those above questions are dumb – and they were intended to be taken that way by anyone who has even skimmed the bible only once in their life – why is it acceptable to you that Bobbie Houston so clearly contradicts scripture when it suits her/ Hillsong?
Hillsong’s pursuit of money is a major *symptom* of false teachers/teachings, not the *disease* i.e. Hillsong’s counterfeit Christianity.
False doctrine is the DISEASE – denying, distorting, adding to and subtracting from God’s Word whenever it suits Hillsong.
Sammy, ask yourself this important question:
Does Brian Houston preach the Gospel IN CONTEXT that the apostles from the bible preached – YES or NO?
If you say yes, can you PLEASE provide the link to video/audio file to prove Churchwatch critics wrong?!
@Sammy:”” Why isn’t there any mention of that to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden?”
Well, Samael, or Samuel…Adam and Eve didn’t mention Horses, Money, Carts, Cars or the Internet in the Garden of Eden.That doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Actually..you weren’t mentioned in the Garden of Eden, so you must not exist either.
You really need to get some logic.
After a long hiatus,it’s nice to see the CW Community still shooting down Heretics!
Whats wrong with £60,000+ per year? That’s chump change.
Thousands of people can afford that.
Just because you can’t doesn’t mean you need to point out your own insecurities.
The money is God’s anyway Dakota. Not yours or mine.
The most narrow minded part of this blog is that it believes money is the problem.
Well WAKE UP EVERYONE.
GOD gave you everything you have – it’s not yours anyway – it’s his.
“Whats wrong with £60,000+ per year? That’s chump change”
Wow that is an incredible. Chumps change. So all teachers, fire fighters, nurses, some doctors and and a vast proportion of the UK would love to earn 60 k. Lets put that in perspective.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/percentile-points-from-1-to-99-for-total-income-before-and-after-tax
60k is the 93rd percentile. So only 6 other percentile groups earn more. Quite some chump
“£60,000+ per year? That’s chump change.”
Chump Change? I bet you can’t give it mate. Which makes you a liar, because it’s not chump change to you.
“Whats wrong with £60,000+ per year?”
What’s wrong with that? You don’t know the Bible mate. For Hillsong to even SUGGEST that giving a greater quantity of money is unscriptural. But Hillsong takes it a step further, they even rate you on their man-made graduated scale to show just how great you as a higher-monetary-amount giver are.
Hillsong distinguishes you based on how much more yo give them. Did you get that?
James 2:2-4 CALLS THIS EVIL: “For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes, and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, “You sit here in a good place,” and you say to the poor man, “You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,” have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives?”
Mark 12:41-44 LAUGHS AT HILLSONG’S LUDICROUS GRADUATED SCALE: “Now Jesus sat opposite the treasury and saw how the people put money into the treasury. And many who were rich put in much. Then one poor widow came and threw in two mites,[a] which make a quadrans. So He called His disciples to Himself and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all those who have given to the treasury; for they all put in out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had, her whole livelihood.”
“Just because you can’t doesn’t mean you need to point out your own insecurities.”
Sammy, please, then go tell Jesus and James and Mark to stop pointing out their insecurities.You don’t care what the Bible says, you exalt Hillsong’s words ABOVE the Word of God. If you’re calling yourself a Christian, then you’re a big hypocrite.
There is nothing on their website that says if you pay more money you get a better seat.
See – you have twisted it to suit the bible verses.
How much you give is between you and God. Hillsong has never forced anyone to give. Just ask Brian.
You could go to their church and not give 1 cent and they wouldnt force you to give.
So once again your silly ideas have spilt out onto this blog.
You are right they can’t force you to give.
But whatever church you are part of. If that is your spiritual home you should give generously
I think what many are talking about here is the gradings Hillsong London give to your donations. Thats what I personally think is so wrong.
^^^ typical hillsong teenager ignorance.
“You could go to their church and not give 1 cent and they wouldnt force you to give.”
they would force you to leave chump.
Garbage cha ching!
Absolute rubbish and you know it. They wouldnt force you to leave. If you have proof of this then show us.
Are you a Christian cha ching? You should read your bible.
“Are you a Christian cha ching?”
yes but you are not.
“You should read your bible.”
nutter obviously doesnt so he should stop running around giving orders like a punk.
This is so bad I am going to reiterate it, because I don’t want people to miss this.
Hillsong is actually rating people, and egging them on to give, by telling them on Hillsong’s man-made hierarchical scale, exclaiming how great they are in the Kingdom of God, based on how much they give to Hillsong Church:
http://hillsong.com/London/foundation/
What a bunch of Sickos.
Wow as you say this is disgraceful. To be the best you have to have to give 250 a month. Where is the living for the poor. Oh yes there at the bottom !! But it’s ok they said its about the heart not the amount. Then this, what hypocrites !!!
If i was giving 249.50 a month what would i be? Not in any group 😦 lol
Kingdom Builders
Between £250 and £5,000+ per month
(£3,000 and £60,000+ per year)
Those who have the passion and the means to finance the Kingdom in a significant way
Vision Impacters
Between £125 and £249 per month
(£1,500 and £2,999+ per year)
Those who feel a strong call to finance the Kingdom and wish to make a considerable impact
Army of Faithful Believers
Between £1 and £124 per month
(£12 and £1,499 per year)
Those who have a heart to advance the Kingdom and want to play an essential part
Yes and even worse the widow that OUR LORD JESUS COMMENDED which gave two mites (1/5 of a cent) DOESN’T EVEN QUALIFY to be in the Hillsong lowest caste “Army of Faithful Believers!”
Imagine that, she DOESN’T EVEN QUALIFY to be included in Hillsong’s caste system!
Jesus APPLUADED HER PERSONALLY but Hillsong says she’s too low to even make the grade.
How DISGRACEFUL.
A sicko is someone that sits behind a keyboard and calls others sickos instead of obeying the bible and reaching out to others from churches such as hillsong and helping educate them in learning deeper about God based on bible teachings.
“obeying the bible”
haha theres a laugh. Nutcase couldnt care less about Jesus, hes only trolling for arguemtns, and know no scripture.
“learning deeper about God based on bible teachings”
which is not you lol. You couldn’t tie your own shoes.
Here you go again chaching. Attacking others is not what God wants us to do is it?
Or maybe it is if you follow and listen to the moderators and hillbillys from this blog that have nothing to do but be keyboard warriors.
At least hillsong people are out spreading the gospel and OBEYING what God asks them to do and give.
Cha ching maybe you should give all your wage to hillsong. You obviously are rolling in it with a name like that. Empty your wallet cha ching. You will feel better and be blessed.
Nutter you claim that Hillsong helps people to learn deeper about God based on biblical teachings:
can you please give an online free video/ audio link to demonstrate how Hillsong helps people to learn about God e.g. discussing God’s commandments to please God (not the world) because of His holiness, using biblical passages in context? Thanks in advance.
Nutter you claim that Hillsong helps people to learn deeper about God based on biblical teachings:
Thinker i didnt claim that. Why dont you go to hillsong yourself and teach others about God in a deeper way instead of coming here and carrying on like a chook.
“Why dont you go to hillsong yourself and teach others about God in a deeper way instead of coming here and carrying on like a chook.”
@ Nutter, So that explains what is going on. You are nothing but another brainless head who cannot think for himself, who’s allowed himself to be polluted by that foolhardy “chookhater” make believe website that only exists to spread his poisonous hate cocktail.
You are actually right. I sped-read and missed the important middle section. (You hadn’t used any punctuation in a very long sentence e.g. Commas, colons and semi-colons).
You want *critics* to reach out to people in Hillsong *in person* – is that correct? You do realise that Hillsong is not in every corner of the globe, don’t you?
So you *hadn’t* said that Hillsong taught people about God in a deep way. That is *one* thing we both agree on. Is that why you’re unable (or unwilling) to give a link to a decent Hillsong sermon?
You want *critics* to teach Hillsong attendees about God in a deeper way using the bible – are you admitting Hillsong isn’t doing its job then?
As for me doing Hillsong’s job: a woman isn’t to preach/ speak in churches (e.g. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35).
How about you defend Hillsong in a logical and reasoned manner (no name-calling or distraction tactics)?
Yeah i do agree that hillsong has a few issues with ‘depth’ and a few issues with ‘tithing’ and how they go about this process.
However, there are certainly many other things they do that help the community, provide quality worship music and im sure other things as well.
However to create a blog that constantly attacks Brian and persecutes him for the sins of his father is just wrong.
In addition to this you allow many people to come on here and abuse each other and then continually bang on that hillsong and Brian are so sinful.
Instead of creating and environment to foster more hate toward one another, why dont you either go and educate hillsong people direct or fix your blog up so it doesnt allow hateful speech amongst the church community because that is clearly what it allows. (And also obey the laws of the land with regard to trademarks).
I get the feeling this wont happen because you are now getting so many visitors riding on the back of hillsongs success that you have become a cause to yourself and the selfishness of success has now crept in to what you originally set out to do.
I dont need to defend hillsong. Its not up to me to justify their behaviour.
However this blog is a disgrace when it comes to reaching the lost.
Hiding behind a keyboard being critical and inciting hatred instead of getting out there in person fixing what is broken is pathetic.
“However this blog is a disgrace when it comes to reaching the lost.”
Your judgmentalism constantly shows through.
Did you consider the primary goal of most discernment sites might not be to reach the LOST, but rather to educate the CHURCH? GOD’S PEOPLE perish for LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. The internet is a good way to educate them.
In person or not, if there is a role that is needed, there are brethren available who are doing their best to fulfill whatever is needed. It is not up to YOU to be the ‘traffic director’ within the Body of Christ, handing out assignments. That is the Holy Spirit’s task. Not yours.
If you don’t like it, go fix it IN PERSON YOURSELF, rather than whining, which is pathetic. But only after you start opening your Bible. 🙂
“… this blog is a disgrace when it comes to reaching out to the lost…”
You assume that people who believe in Hillsong’s version of Christianity are saved: how is that possible if listeners only hear pleasant to the flesh pseudo-Christian messages? Positive pep talks with a few out-of-context bible verses thrown into the message “in Jesus’ name” cannot possibly deliver the whole Gospel.
e.g. could you ever imagine a Hillsong sermon being preached on this passage (explains God’s view of mankind)? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3%3A10-19&version=KJV
does Hillsong ever mention that a person will die in their sins and spend eternity in Hell unless they believe – truly trust in (not merely agree with key doctrines) – in the Lord Jesus Christ? I.e. parts of the Gospel that the unsaved world rejects and condemns Christians for telling the whole of God’s truth.
If people do not believe in the whole Gospel (of the bible) they are as lost as the militant anti-theists like Richard Dawkins. Just like a person walking into a garage does not make them turn into a car, a person walking into (any type of) church does not automatically make them a Christian.
Therefore Hillsong supporters who do not believe in the whole Gospel are lost, no mafter how much time, energy and money they have donated etc or the intensity of their “spiritual experiences” during worship. Any type of website reaching out to potentially false Christian converts *are* “reaching out to the lost” like you are telling people here to do.
“I dont need to defend hillsong. Its not up to me to justify their behaviour.”
No nutter, the truth is that you cannot defend hillsong, nor can you justify their behaviour, because they are completely beyond the pale.
Brian Houston is nothing more than a brain-dead, money-grubbing heretic; he is a liar and a fraud whose conscience has been seared with a hot iron. His wife is pretty much the same, although she is somewhat less intelligent than Brian. Neither of them have ever shown the slightest inclination to repent of their blasphemies and lies, and they remain, as always, on an ever-steepening downwards trajectory as they head inexorably towards their final destiny in the lake of fire.
It’s sad to see that you are fixated on hillsong and their false gospel, and that you are steadfast in your determination to follow their “leaders” into perdition. You evince all the classic symptoms of a brain-washed member of the hillsong cult: intellectual deficiency, wilful ignorance, twisted logic, a complete lack of discernment, knee-jerk defensiveness, hypocrisy, double-standards, Biblical illiteracy, flawed reasoning, self-centredness, and overweening pride. Not a single one of your comments betrays even an iota of erudition; they are, without exception, neither well-written nor the least bit compelling by any measure. You have turned out just like Brian Houston – he must be very proud of you.
“Brian Houston on an ever-steepening downwards trajectory as they head inexorably towards their final destiny in the lake of fire.”
Nutter, this begs the question, WHY do you continue INSISTING that everyone here must “go to Hillsong in person” to correct their teachings and reach the lost? That is STUPID.
(1) There is NO scriptural basis for your demand that we attend an ERRANT church.
(2) It doesn’t make sense to attend ANYONE any ERRANT church.
(3) Do you want us to start attending Jehovah’s Witness Kingdom Halls and Mormon Temples to reach the lost there too?
(4) Why should we have to longsuffer through even ONE of Brian Houston’s trashy church services? 2 Peter 2 (a chapter on false teachers) says that would torment our souls. 2 Peter 2:7-8 “and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard).”
(5) However, there IS scriptural basis commanding us NOT to attend Hillsong. Romans 16:17 (which appears on this website banner at the top of this page) says “Mark and avoid them”, Ephesians 5:11 “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness”, etc.
You are demanding people to DISOBEY the Lord Jesus Christ…
THINK before you POST!!!
As you say Dakota
Luke 21 – New International Version (NIV)
The Widow’s Offering
21 As Jesus looked up, he saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury.2 He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. 3 “Truly I tell you,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4 All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”
sammy you are in denial..
whats interesting is how hillsong is financially rich, yet at the same time a spiritually & morally bankrupt enterprise..
so for you to come on here attacking churchwatcher & apollo & others is pretty stupid.
nfg
You are right there you cannot argue with this – pages 23 -32
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/ac52bf1d-95d8-4c58-a659-67d86025e92b/Report-of-Case-Study-No-18
Anyone who has had child protection training knows you must inform the police if they were under 18 when it happened.
I saw this comment and wondered if Hillsong ran a day care. Turns out they do, which means they should be very aware of the laws concerning children. Regardless, the way BH has spent his time and energy telling everyone how “shocked” he was instead of using the massive amount of resources at his finger tips to help the victims recover is appalling.
Hello NFG:
“whats interesting is how hillsong is financially rich, yet at the same time a spiritually & morally bankrupt enterprise…”
Sounds just like the Laodicean church, doesn’t it???
It is very clear that Brian Houston and the AOG executive including Wayne Alcorn are complicit in not abiding by their own Administration manual at the time and to any ‘normal reader’ of the Case Study 18 guilty in the highest definition of the word and if the Word [Bible]. If they want the smell and justfiable disgust to lessen a little then they need to all ‘man up’ and at least follow what the Bible teaches. Jesus weeps and Brian Houston and all the rest involved in this sordid sin of child abuse need to PUBLICLY repent on national TV including Commercial Stations and in national press to regain a glimmer of credibility. By their sins shall you know them . . . so me your faith and I’ll show you my actions – St James [not Dr? Pastor Brian Houston]
If you are so adamant that hillsong is wrong and the people are hillsong are weak christians and b and b are just cash hungry then why are you not at hillsong every weekend educating others instead of keyboarding yourself all over the internet?
Its a cop out really…..
“If you are so adamant that hillsong is wrong and the people are hillsong are weak christians and b and b are just cash hungry then why are you not at hillsong every weekend educating others instead of keyboarding yourself all over the internet?”
The internet reaches millions of people 24/7 – it never sleeps…
Besides, these blog sites are about educating people to STAY AWAY from Hill$ong. Most of the people there won’t listen to warnings, but many have left, world wide, often due to the efforts of CW and company, and have posted in to say a big ‘thank you’ for opening their eyes.
Prevention is always better than cure…
“then why are you not at hillsong every weekend educating others instead of keyboarding yourself all over the internet?”
impossible!
Ever wonder what the “C” stands for in houston’s middle name ?
“Create division!” the man has created more division within the church than can be measured.
what do you expect to do at hillsong ? walk up to the stage on sunday and ask Brian to hand you the mic in front of 20000 people so you can point out all his teaching errors ? get realistic…. and a new set of brains, broski !
“then why are you not at hillsong every weekend educating others”
That will never work. Did you see how they handled Tanya Levin?
I cant understand why the people of this blog feel the need to smash other christians instead of getting off the internet and helping and educating the hillsong congregation.
They prefer to tear them down instead of build them up.
To constantly drag hillsong people through the mud hiding behind a keyboard is a weak way to help the lost.
Sorry Nutter, but we’re not about affirming people so they can feel ‘comfortable’ in their sin and error.
I never feel that I’m “smashing other Christians” when it comes to the Hou$ton clan and their ‘inner circle’ – WHAT “Christians”?
None of them follow Christ, in word or deed, and most of their following just want a networking social club that has a thin veneer of ‘religion’ so they can say “I’m going to church…”
“None of them follow Christ, in word or deed”
what they follow is a big fat paycheck
When Paul or Peter saw a man walking down the road, they saw a soul to be savd.
When B Houston sees a man walking down the road, he sees a wallet on legs.
acts 3:6: Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none ;
Hillsong AUD translation: Then Peter said, hey chap, whataya do for a living ?
These internet places are places of education. I was in the Hillswrong type cult for years. It was a blog like this that helped me to think things through and evaluate things from a Biblical perspective rather than the cult perspective. The voice of truth is not tolerated in the cult, it’s shut down and booted out the instant it appears.
I’d get angered by many of the cult behaviours that were exposed on these blogs because I’d been trained to oppose such views but when examined, I found that I was wrong and had been lied to. I was also angry because I’d passionately defended untruths and false doctrines and as a result I’d treated good people poorly.
In the light of true Biblical teaching, modern Pentecostal churches fail dismally and the likes of the Houstons and the Pringle etc are exposed as the wolves that they are.
It’s not nice to find out that you have been conned and lied to when your own actions have been done with a good conscience. At the end of the day, these crooks took advantage of me and used me for what they could get but I’m not concerned about that at all because out of it, Jesus saved me. Not only from my sins but from control of corrupt organisations. The salvation that I enjoy is something that is between me and the Almighty, not between me, the Almighty and a machine that pretends to represent Him and I’m supposed to feel indebted to.
So I thank God for blogs like these.
How many so called preachers are going to distort Malachi 3 and various other Scriptures to suit their own desires!? The storehouse is NOT the church and the tithe un Old Testament times was not of monetary value.
I used to attend a Hillsong network type church in Scotland but long since have left. It was always about money, recruiting new donors and trying to bring someone new each service.
So do not be fooled by these charlatans!! They are only after 1 thing and that’s your money!!
Cheryl, Completely agree. Good post & good advice.
Second that. Sincecreading all of these posts and research I have done about Malachi I have embraced the NT spirit lead giving and increased what i give.
Very interesting detailed short free book here, which I read
http://www.tithing.com/Breaking-and-Embracing.pdf#zoom=100
The recommendation to read the free short book re tithing and spirit-led living is excellent!
I have just read it and believe that it needs to be taught from EVERY pulpit – including Hillsong . . . . however I suspect that many ‘indocrinated’ [self or otherwise] pastors will not want to reinforce the reality of God wanting to have a meaningful, very personal relationship with each person that attends their church because, shock! horror!?, that has the possibility that set giving amounts will not be received every week and this may not fit into the accounting/financial management practices of the world [and most churches?]. God is Spirit and hopefully, as Christians we are ALL Spirit-led including what and to whom we should give?
Unfortunately what ministers, pastors etc may forget is that wealthy people should be giving more. But some very wealthy christians still stick to 10%. But some give vast sums. Years ago i heard a sermon which said God does not have you until he has your wallet. I think for lots of Christians sacrificial giving is something of a taboo. I include myself in that, so not to be a hypocrite.
Annette Jesus’ lineage included a prostitute named Rahab. To be fair boner man was effective time calling Bobbie H a whore to money NOT That She WAS Selling Her Lower Regions For Money.
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Duh! As if I didn’t know that, citizensinitiatedaction. You people got tabs on yourselves, unjustifiably.
Annette – be more respectful to others when you comment here or you will blocked permamently.
Cheers. Team ChurchWatch.
I don’t mind being blocked permanently. Respect is not something that this site adheres to.
As you have proved in most of your comments to date.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.