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Hillsong’s a church… and a charity… can’t you tell?
They do Christian Christmas carrols better than the world. Look how relevant Hillsong is – not even the world has taken this song to this… level.
We tend to think that all the faithful men in Hillsong “church” decided to cross their legs in this “traditional” Christmas carol.
P.S If you’re a hater and a blogger, judge not lest ye be judged. You’re just jealous of what you’re missing out on at Hillsong and want in on Hillsong’s successes. #IllHaveWhatShesHaving #TheBestIsYetToCome #LiveLoveLEGS! #UnsilentNight
Note: A few hours after we posted this video, it was “made private” by Hillsong; the video on this page now is a copy of the original.
Source: By Hillsong Church London, Silent Night – Hillsong Church London – Hillsong Carols 2014, Youtube, https://youtu.be/FIzxWBr4ZDE, Accessed 16/12/2015.
Hillsong Church Watch 
This church has become a whore.
This nonsense can be challenged and torn to shreds using Gods word.
I dont see anything biblical here, but lets start with the dancing. Where is the scriptural example or command to dance in the church? I will go one step further and say, biblically speaking men and women never danced together. So why is this wolf in sheeps clothing allowing this type of hype and sensuality in the church?
But with the CLUB HILLSONG thing going on it goes to an even deeper level.
Carl Lentz and Brian Houston are both preaching apostate doctrines. They and
their “followers” are brainwashed to dispel any sound doctrines because they DON’T follow the word of God. The Lord Jesus has told me: THEY ARE TEACHING UNREPENTANCE They ignore 1 Cor 6:9-20 and the book of Jude. the Whole Bible teaches that HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG GOD WILL NOT ALLOW IT IN HIS KINGDOM. CARL AND BRIAN YOU NEED TO STEP DOWN.
AND LEADING PEOPLE STRAIGHT TO HELL REPENT !!!! while you still have
time….
John 13:35 says that people will know that we are Christians by our love. This website seems to be a conduit for disseminating hate and fratricide – killing our brothers in faith.
When Paul and Barnabas had a disagreement, they agreed to part ways without spewing violent and vicious words leaving the door open for reconciliation (Acts 15:39).
The clip that everyone is criticising is from the Hillsong London Carol service in 2014. If you want to see the anointed carol service from 2015 in context, please watch it before commenting https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=51rkuoYAWco
Read Psalm 149:3 and 2 Samuel 6: 14-16 if you have condemning views about dancing in Church. Jesus was also criticized for “partying” and for hanging out with sinners but we are called to save the lost and not appease Pharasic christians (Luke 19:10).
London is crying out for Churches like Hillsong: Christ centred and culturally relevant churches whose focus is on reaching the lost. Jesus spoke about farming and fishing because these were subjects people in those days could understand. I invited a Sikh colleague to the carol service two years ago. She enjoyed the service and decided to come to church with me and gave her life to Christ. Isn’t that our Christian mission?
Jesuslover,
Your response is typical of those who sit in pentecostal churches and mistake music for worship, the holy spirit and presence of God when its not. You hear rubbish preached from the pulpit, and not the true gospel, the way you have responded is evidence of all this.
///John 13:35 says that people will know that we are Christians by our love. This website seems to be a conduit for disseminating hate and fratricide – killing our brothers in faith.///
The bible says love speaks the truth. Does not delight in error, which you seem to be doing.
///When Paul and Barnabas had a disagreement, they agreed to part ways without spewing violent and vicious words leaving the door open for reconciliation (Acts 15:39).///
Brian Houston is not willing to part ways with the church or his false doctrine, but continues on fleecing the flock to fill his own belly.
///Read Psalm 149:3 and 2 Samuel 6: 14-16 if you have condemning views about dancing in Church. Jesus was also criticized for “partying” and for hanging out with sinners but we are called to save the lost and not appease Pharasic christians (Luke 19:10).///
It is clear logic or theology are not your strong points!
None of the references you provide show or teach anything about the church.
The Psalms are the old law. They advocate burning lamps, animal sacrifices and a whole host of the 613 levitical laws, which by the way, the pharasees, wanted Christ and the early church to keep, something apparently you are against! So it seems you yourself are the pharisee.
///London is crying out for Churches like Hillsong: Christ centred and culturally relevant churches whose focus is on reaching the lost. Jesus spoke about farming and fishing because these were subjects people in those days could understand.///
Thats just a whole lot of dribble from your own opinion and not backed by sound scripture.
The bible teaches not to abandon gods word for traditions, culturally relevant is not biblical.
London needs the clear gospel not false teachers and dancing girls on stage.
///I invited a Sikh colleague to the carol service two years ago. She enjoyed the service and decided to come to church with me and gave her life to Christ. Isn’t that our Christian mission?///
So the entertainment saved her? Or is salvation the work of the Holy Spirit?
@Jesuslover,
You’re not really a Jesus lover, because you don’t love what His Word says about “churches” like Hillsong and “pastors” like Brian Houston.
Whoever does not love His Word, does not love Him.
You’re really a Hillsong lover, or a Brian Houston lover, but nothing more.
John 13:35 says that people will know that we are Christians by our love. This website seems to be a conduit for disseminating hate and fratricide – killing our brothers in faith.
When Paul and Barnabus had a disagreement, they agreed to part ways without spewing violent and vicious words leaving the door open for reconciliation.
The clip that everyone is criticising is from the Hillsong London Carol service in 2014. If you want to see the anointed carol service from 2015 in context, please watch it before commenting https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=51rkuoYAWco
Read Psalm 149:3 and 2 Samuel 6: 14-16 if you have condemning views about dancing. Jesus was also criticized for hanging out with sinners but we are called to save the lost and not appease Pharasic christians.
London is crying out for Churches like Hillsong: Christ centred and culturally relevant churches whose focus is on reaching the lost. Jesus spoke about farming and fishing because these were subjects people in those days could understand. I invited a Sikh colleague to the carol service two years ago. She came to church with me and gave her life to Christ. Isn’t that our Christian mission?
Jesuslover – Since when did cultural relevance become the standard for reaching the lost? London is dying because of churches like Hillsong. Biblical truth is the only relevant message for any culture.
We are tasked to demonstrate what the bible already says about cultures who by nature are sinful. Christians (and Hillsong is a cult not a church) are to bring truth to cultures nurtured by sin and unable to recognise its problems themselves, by speaking to these cultures through the Word and not try to twist that Word to fit the culture.
Your Sikh colleague didn’t ‘give’ her life to Christ. If she is saved, it’s a sovereign work of grace despite her exposure to Hillsong.
Ephesians 1: 3-5 ‘Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will….’
Now that is crass! But when I look at all the instruments, lights, screens etc I can’t help but wonder what else they could have done with the money. They could have changed lives, but instead we have this version of what really is a beautiful carol, and I hope to never hear this version again, it’s really really bad.
in your whole life you will not help as many folk as these people do in one day. SGT.
Yes Steven, that’s right we will not “help” because unlike Hillsong we give all credit to our most holy Lord.
“Not to us, O Lord, not to us, but to your name give glory,
for the sake of your steadfast love and your faithfulness!..”
“in your whole life you will not help as many folk as these people do in one day.”
Alas, the hillsong cult’s “good works” are earning their “pastors” and “leaders” express tickets to the lake of fire.
You should acquaint yourself with the Gospel, Steven: it’s not too late for you to repent of your arrogance and idolatry.
“in your whole life you will not help as many folk as these people do in one day.”
That’s quite a hissy fit you’re having there, SGT.
SGT you forgot to add the disclaimer: Except if you’re a victim of child abuse perpetrated by the “church” founder. Sorry but no help for you in that case…
SGT, and we won’t destroy as many boy’s lives as his paedophile father did.
And we won’t cover up his father’s crimes like Brian did!
Hell$ong has a very very shaky foundation. It won’t take much for the pack of cards to fall!
I have a few more things to add.
I threw away all my Hillsong CDs I will not sing their songs at church. JESUS spoke about a good tree cannot yield bad fruit and a bad tree cannot yield good fruit – Matt 7 : 16-23 What about the occult imagery at the concerts. Or church services. Its time the real church rise above this evil and raise a standard against Hillsong bands and the churches.
WHORESONG!
Hey the drummer is good though eh?
No, if he was good, he wouldn’t have had anything to do with that blasphemous insult to a grand old Christmas carol. If he was good, he would have smashed his drum kit like Keith Moon and ran away from that den of iniquity.
He can still smash those skins. Certainly talented unlike some people….
He may be talented…but drumming your way to hell sure is a waste of talent!
There are no words.
Actually, yep… found some.
Was waiting for her to rip off her clothes and writhe on a pole.
Shameful.
i can’t see it? it wont let me pull it up. Is this the same hillsong as the musical praise and worship on itunes?
As indicated in a similar post, “Note: A few hours after we posted this video, it was “made private” by Hillsong; the video on this page now is a copy we put on Vimeo.”
http://www.piratechristian.com/museum-of-idolatry/2015/12/hillsongs-sleazy-silent-night
So they spent tens of thousands of dollars on this production. They hired professional staff to sing, act, produce and direct. They spent hundreds of hours rehearsing. They filmed it with multiple professional cameras and edited into a professional video. In all that time they never saw anything wrong with doing any of this until it showed up on your blog. If they were proud of this video they would be giving you ping-backs not shutting down the video. What is wrong with these people? They choose NOW to realize this was in questionable taste?
Its back 🙂
It looks like Satan sitting in the front row…. clapping and cheering.
This entire church is such a wicked lie.
Next question is….. they selling alcohol yet in this speakeasy?
When is the Marilyn Monroe impersonator coming on stage? Is Mae West next?
This show is pure decadence.
Was this part of a DRAMATIC Christmas presentation showing the secularization of the Birth of Christ? Was it meant to be satire to make a point? I want to give them the benefit of the doubt until I find out the whole CONTEXT of the musical number. I will be praying.
Yeah, I agree. Im not going to judge Pat Mesiti either until I know the context in which he visited prostitutes. Maybe he was bonking them so he could tell them about Jesus. I’ll hold off on making an opinion on Brian Houston covering up his father’s sex crimes against children until I know the context of his covering up, perhaps he thought the scandal would make people give up on God so he was really doing everyone a favour by saving them from back sliding. There must be a good and valid reason that Im missing that allows women to dress up like whores and brazenly parade around a stage making a mockery of holiness and the birth of Jesus. I wonder if her name is Jezebel? She looks like a Jezebel. Or, maybe its just more bad fruit from the bad Houston tree.
@ Terry Towelling, All good points. I must admit, your post made me chuckle….
If context is all that’s needed:
1. Hillsong should restore link to YouTube and provide an explanation, summary etc.
2. Hillsong should make a blog entry on Hillsong website with film clip included.
If Hillsong believes there’s nothing to hide then they should restore link to prove critics are making a mountain out of a (nonexistent) molehill.
If Hillsong believes clip is totally innocent then their response is an over-the-top knee jerk one and extremely irrational.
@ cdeniseyoung, Let me give you the context.
Throngs of people will obviously be led to the Lord via this tacky risqué dance performance….
When was this event – 2015?
Does it matter?
The title says 2014 which raises a further question. Assuming that the video was accessible for best part of one year, why has it suddenly been withdrawn from YouTube only now?
There wouldn’t have been any complaints to YouTube from non-Christians; they’d appreciate more “interesting” performances of songs they don’t enjoy. Nominal Christians wouldn’t raise a fuss, hardly even an eyebrow.
IF it was online for a year -until an alternative explanation is provided – it appears that very recent negative PR has started a backlash and Hillsong have tried to stop any further reputation damage to its very long list.
No desire to please God (holiness), only desire is the applause of man.
Maybe John’s hopin’ there’s still time to catch this year’s wingding.
Its like watching X Factor. Being relavent is great, this is just the world and being ‘of it’
Funnier still is, Brian, daily promoting his own book, live love lead. Then posts this on his instagram.
‘I love deleting and blocking nasty religious people on Instagram. It’s like sport!!’
I was not sure whether this was the love or lead part in action, lol.
Yes It’s so relevant- so relevant to the poor and needy and the broke hearted of this world, so relevant to Jesus’ good news to the outcasts ,the oppressed, the unloved, the needy wounded sinners. so relevant …….
Not quite sure how a modern day Moulin Rouge number helps Jesus’ church and all the things you mention which are such fantastic things
Yes Debra, It’s so relevant. To the porn industry. Just like Frank Houston’s sex crimes and Brian Houston’s cover-up. So relevant. But not to the Church of Jesus Christ. Only to the porn industry.
Exactly
They’re in England. Stonehenge might be a better location to hold their next Christmas gathering.
@at raymond…hill-larius! dont’t make me holla! whew! have mercy!
The only thing missing was the golden calf, but there was a blonde cow they were dancing around.
Blonde cow?
Probably referring to the wanton woman who looks like a prostitute, was singing the mutilated version of Silent Night and was being carried around like a satanic counterfeit of the Ark of the Covenant. Pretty hard to miss it really.
Amos 4 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Hear this word, you COWS of Bashan, who are on the mountain of Samaria,
Who oppress the poor,
Who crush the needy,
Who say to your husbands,[a] “Bring wine, let us drink!”
2 The Lord God has sworn by His holiness:
“Behold, the days shall come upon you
When He will take you away with fishhooks,
And your posterity with fishhooks.
3 You will go out through broken walls,
Each one straight ahead of her,
And you will be cast into Harmon,”
Says the Lord.
4 “Come to Bethel and transgress,
At Gilgal multiply transgression;
Bring your sacrifices every morning,
Your tithes every three days.[b]
5 Offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving with leaven,
Proclaim and announce the freewill offerings;
For this you love,
You children of Israel!”
Says the Lord God.
Israel Did Not Accept Correction
6 “Also I gave you cleanness of teeth in all your cities,
And lack of bread in all your places;
Yet you have not returned to Me,”
Says the Lord.
7 “I also withheld rain from you,
When there were still three months to the harvest.
I made it rain on one city,
I withheld rain from another city.
One part was rained upon,
And where it did not rain the part withered.
8 So two or three cities wandered to another city to drink water,
But they were not satisfied;
Yet you have not returned to Me,”
Says the Lord.
9 “I blasted you with blight and mildew.
When your gardens increased,
Your vineyards,
Your fig trees,
And your olive trees,
The locust devoured them;
Yet you have not returned to Me,”
Says the Lord.
10 “I sent among you a plague after the manner of Egypt;
Your young men I killed with a sword,
Along with your captive horses;
I made the stench of your camps come up into your nostrils;
Yet you have not returned to Me,”
Says the Lord.
11 “I overthrew some of you,
As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah,
And you were like a firebrand plucked from the burning;
Yet you have not returned to Me,”
Says the Lord.
12 “Therefore thus will I do to you, O Israel;
Because I will do this to you,
Prepare to meet your God, O Israel!”
13 For behold,
He who forms mountains,
And creates the wind,
Who declares to man what his[c] thought is,
And makes the morning darkness,
Who treads the high places of the earth—
The Lord God of hosts is His name.
The night doesn’t seem spiritually complete without Prophet Phil Pringle onstage painting one of his $30,000 masterpieces.
Billy, $30,000 splashes of paint that Pringle deceives everyone is ‘art’.
Maybe he had one of his cult members at the merchandising tables, selling his $500 pens.
No offering to raise more millions to prove Kong Hee’s (aka Kongvict) ‘innocence’?
Looks like Hollywood, Disneyland and Las Vegas, all on the one ticket…
“No offering to raise more millions to prove Kong Hee’s (aka Kongvict) ‘innocence’?”
in kongvict’s case, ‘sinnocence’….
I only viewed this video yesterday for the first time and was not sure if this was in a secular theater or what?. Evidently, Hillsong Music does concerts outside the Church in the Community. Which is okay. However, I think it was very poor taste to use “Silent Night” in this musical setting. . . . . . My Facebook post – “This is so troubling … Hillsong Music, which began as “Worship” Music back in the ’90s, has gone off the deep end. As a Music Teacher, Musician, Songwriter, and Worship Leader, I LOVE music – all styles of music, both sacred and secular. But hymns and praise and worship music was never intended to be Vegas or Vaudeville. Somewhere a line has been crossed in this rendition of “Silent Night”. It sends a very confusing and mixed message. I think we need to PRAY for them as they have slipped over the cliff on this one. Yikes. . . . . .
As a Worship Leader in Messianic settings, I love ALL the instruments and sacred dance WHEN used in jubilation and reverence to Yahweh (the Lord God) in Yeshua’s Name (Jesus) and obeying the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit) and with modest apparel. (ex. – Paul Wilbur’s “Dance With Me” … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq_IJZ862Ow) … The Lord (Yahweh) is calling us back to Himself – to the Hebrew/Jewish Roots of our faith – and to keep HIS commandments and HIS Feasts. We have “Gentiled” the Church, and in doing so, the “boundaries” keep getting blurred until there are none. In the case of this song, clearly all “boundaries” for holy reverence to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords was ignored. Is this the beginning the Laodicean Church? … LET YAHWEH ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED! (Psalm 68:1) . . . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrCal6kE-r4
These are the LAST DAYS … Jesus is coming soon!!! … These are the DAYS OF ELIJAH!!! . . .
Days Of Elijah (Robin Mark)
These are the days of Elijah,
Declaring the word of the Lord
And these are the days of Your servant Moses,
Righteousness being restored.
And though these are days of great trial,
Of famine and darkness and sword,
Still, we are the voice in the desert crying
“Prepare ye the way of the Lord!”
Behold He comes riding on the clouds,
Shining like the sun at the trumpet call,
Lift your voice, it’s the year of jubilee,
And out of Zion’s hill salvation comes.
These are the days of Ezekiel,
The dry bones becoming as flesh,
And these are the days of Your servant David,
Rebuilding a temple of praise.
These are the days of the harvest,
The fields are as white in Your world,
And we are the labourers in Your vineyard,
Declaring the word of the Lord!
Behold He comes riding on the clouds,
Shining like the sun at the trumpet call,
Lift your voice, it’s the year of jubilee,
And out of Zion’s hill salvation comes.
There’s no God like Jehovah.
There’s no God like Jehovah!
Behold He comes riding on the clouds,
Shining like the sun at the trumpet call,
Lift your voice, it’s the year of jubilee,
And out of Zion’s hill salvation comes.
Lift your voice, it’s the year of jubilee,
And out of Zion’s hill salvation comes.
Who WAS and Who IS and Who IS TO COME!
Who WAS and Who IS and Who IS TO COME!
Who WAS and Who IS and Who IS TO COME!
Who WAS and Who IS and Who IS TO COME!
Paul Wilbur appears to be actually worshipping God in a recognisable way that doesn’t look like a nightclub performance . . . Perhaps Hillsong may wish to emulate this instead of trying to be worldly ‘trendy’ but projecting ungodly instead?
We need to regain and maintain REVERENCE for a HOLY God in our Worship and in our Meetings! . . .
For Your Name is Holy / Let the Weight of Your Glory Fall
I enter the Holy of Holies
I enter through the blood of the Lamb
I enter to worship You only
I enter to honor I am
Lord I worship You, I worship You,
Lord I worship You, I worship You,
For Your name is Holy, Holy Lord
For Your name is Holy, Holy Lord
Let the weight of Your glory cover us
Let the life of Your river flow
Let the truth of Your Kingdom reign in us
Let the weight of Your glory
Let the weight of Your glory fall
CDeniseYoung: ” The Lord (Yahweh) is calling us back to Himself – to the Hebrew/Jewish Roots of our faith – and to keep HIS commandments and HIS Feasts”.
You can have your religion.
I’m more interested in the law of Faith and resting in the fulfilment of the Sabbath.
His name is Jesus and He is my rest.
Your “let us go back to observing feasts” is against everything that Jesus and Paul speak of in the entire NT.
“WE have gentiled the church???” I don’t believe that to be the case… In Acts 15, James acknowledges that the Lord has called out a people (from the Gentiles) for His name – vs 14 to 18, quoting Amos 9:11 and 12:
“In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.”
Peter speaks from vs 7 to 11, discounting the necessity of the ‘burden’ of the Law being placed on the Gentile’s necks, saying that it was too hard for them and their ancestors to bare.
James then gives his judgment on the matter:
“Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.” vs 19 to 21
So there is no endorsement of the church ‘returning to its “Hebrew Roots” due to the apostolic command being given in this chapter – THERE IS NO SUCH NEED for Gentile Christians to do so, for if they did, they would fall straight back under the same bondage that the Galatian believers did.
The HRM manifests many similar traits as the former Charismatic movement did, but with a ‘Jewish twist’. It has no place in western Christianity, otherwise Christ and His apostles would have made your assertions abundantly clear, as a fact of church life and teaching, which they did not…
The answer to Hill$ong and all of its evil fruit, is not bondage under the Law, or adherence to the legalism of the HRM. It is Bible truth, with grace, peace and the life of abundance that only the Holy Spirit can provide. Anything related to the HRM always smacks of ‘salvation by works’ and that is a lot closer to Hill$ong than it is to historic, biblical Christianity
I noticed that back to works gesture too. Jesus said “It is finished.” That means our salvation has been 100% paid for. If you are basing your salvation on keeping commandments and feasts, you’re fooling yourself. NO WORKS!
“The Lord (Yahweh) is calling us back to Himself – to the Hebrew/Jewish Roots of our faith – and to keep HIS commandments and HIS Feasts. We have “Gentiled” the Church, and in doing so, the “boundaries” keep getting blurred until there are none.”
No, since the new covenant, the Lord has always been calling us to Jesus
No, Christ calls us to Commandments 1 & 2
No, Colossians nullifies the festivals, feasts & sabbath
No, God Gentiled the church Rom 11.
A lot of this Messianic stuff is just super spiritual mumbo jumbo and would have been strongly rebuked by the Apostles as false doctrine, just as Paul rebuked the Galatians.
1 Corinthians 1:27-31 New King James Version (NKJV)
27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that **NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS PRESENCE**. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
Alas, there are always a few in the crowd who still believe they can earn their salvation themselves by works of the flesh. But no flesh will ever glory in His presence.
We have “Gentiled” the Church, and in doing so, the “boundaries” keep getting blurred until there are none.”
What boundaries do you wish to re-establish?
Galatians 3:28 — There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
It is tragic and on so many levels whenever someone wants to put us back under the curse of the Law!
1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Tim 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
mi·sog·y·nist
məˈsäjənəst/
noun
1.
a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.
synonyms: woman-hater;
adjective
1.
relating to or characteristic of a misogynist.
“a misogynist attitude”
@ John O’Neill – this comment has been approved to allow others to see exactly how cdeniseyoung responds to biblical correction.
@ cdeniseyoung – https://carm.org/women-in-ministry
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Interesting – so “cdeniseyoung” endorses Chuck Pierce, prime mover and shaker of the heretical NAR movement.
Oh, do you have a “watcher” blog for every member of the Body of Christ? Who is watching you?
FYI … I endorse the Word of God and any commentary or magazine article that correctly elaborates on the Word of God.
Wow. Was I being corrected? I think I have wandered into a biblically tainted blog!
Unfortunately your (moderated) comments prove your views are biblically tainted. You appear to have your own agenda, using this site to influence others to visit yours. Some of those who comment here regularly have already pointed out some of your scriptural errors. Thanks for dropping by, take your agenda elsewhere.
http://churchwatchcentral.com/2015/10/16/rosebrough-exposes-kong-hee-peddling-nar-cult-doctrine-to-justify-crossover-project/
http://bereanresearch.org/dominionism-nar/
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
I have no agenda. Actually, in the beginning I agreed with most of what you said about the video. Then you started criticizing Messianic believers, studying our Hebrew Roots, sacred dance, women in ministry, those who believe in and teach the 5-Fold Ministry as stated in Ephesians, yada yada yada … so it appears that there is a stronghold here of a critical and judgmental spirit. WHO do you believe IS a Member of the Body of Christ???
Nowhere in the Bible are we, as Gentile believers instructed to follow Levitical laws or Jewish customs when in fact, the opposite is taught.
Romans 7:6 “But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.”
Jesus perfectly fulfilled the law, bringing it to an end for us all.
Your NAR agenda is heretical and only serves to further confuse the body of Christ.
As suggested before, take that agenda back to the pit of hell where it came from.
Are you suggesting that the Apostle Paul was a mi·sog·y·nist?
My understanding of the New Testament is that Jews need to stop doing the Jewish stuff and that Gentiles must not try to do the Jewish and that the both must simply have faith in Christ Jesus for their salvation.
Teaching that returns to any roots that undermine the Apostle’s teaching is false doctrine.
“Interesting – so cdeniseyoung endorses Chuck Pierce, prime mover and shaker of the heretical NAR movement.”
After even a cursory glance at *NAR leader Chuck Pierce, it is hard to understand how anyone could endorse him…
What are these ‘objects’ he is peddling here?:
http://www.gloryofzion.org/outmail/4-10-07_MaterialSpecialsOnline.htm
What is this ’nonsense’ he is spouting off about at 17:00 in this clip?
~Andy
You might also notice @ 16:45 in the same clip, Che Ahn says Chuck Pierce sent one of his special oils they then use in the commissioning of Todd Bentley.
Evidently, now that we’ve seen Todd’s ‘ministry’ that followed, those oils don’t work too well, do they?
~Andy
the drummer is jerry brown a professional drummer and professional bass player.
for worldly pop groups, before he said god called him to work for the church.
the last 2 years 2014-2015 you had to pay £5 to see this worldly nonsence. i was with hillsong 2003-2013.
matthew 24:15-16
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
deuteronomy 7:26
Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.
“thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it”
Yeah fair enough but do you have sin in your life that you should utterly detest and utterly abhor?
the Hillsong apologist response – “You should shut up because you’re not right either.”
In other words, Hillsong and their minions will always justify their sins, crimes and lawlessness by fallaciously pointing out everyone else lesser sins. The government should take note of this behaviour. The decay of morality in Hillsong at the expense of defending leaders without reason is incredibly dangerous.
It was a simple question that deserves a simple answer.
No doubt my own forgiven debt far exceeds writtenbymyself’s.
The answer from writtenbymyself will either be yes or no.
I’m not sure why you churchwatcher need to defend their position?
Let them answer the question and then depending on their answer they can continue or not continue to see clearly to take the speck out of our brother’s eye…..
It was a simple question that deserves a simple answer.
No doubt my own forgiven debt far exceeds writtenbymyself’s.
The answer from writtenbymyself will either be yes or no.
I’m not sure why you churchwatcher need to defend their position?
Let them answer the question and then depending on their answer they can continue or not continue to see clearly to take the speck out of our brother’s eye.
Apostle Paul admitted he was a sinner. See Romans 7:14-15 for his very honest account of his struggles. He still passed judgement when he believed it was necessary.
Using your logic, he was sinning when
*Apostle Paul rebuked Apostle Peter in Galatians 2:11-21
*Apostle Paul commanded an unrepentant sinner to be expelled from church in 1 Corinthians chapter 5
*Apostle Paul sometimes warned against people e.g. 2 Timothy 4:14-15
Please tell us what Paul should have said/ done instead, using the bible *in context*. Thanks in advance.
I need to confront his sin.
Yes, sometimes we need to confront others’ sins. But this should be RARE. Look again at Matthew 7:3-5 and you will see three elements:
1. First, you must take the plank out of your own eye.
2. Then you can see clearly.
3. Once you see clearly, you can lovingly remove the speck from someone else’s eye.
If you try to remove the speck from the other person’s eye without first taking the plank out of your eye, you cannot see clearly and will HURT the other person. Paul made a similar point in Galatians 6:1 when he wrote, “Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should RESTORE HIM GENTLY.”
Don’t see much gentleness in this blog. Just hate.
I use this site to discuss issues. Yes as you say it should be done in love.
But in church discipline once that has happened if they do not listen you take a witness and then you tell the church.
For me anyone in church leadership has great responsibility. The huge issues of an unrepentant leader not saying sorry, as a minimum, to his church for what has now been made public about not going to the police surely makes people question his leadership qualities especially as he is responsible for such a huge number of people.
I know vicars / pastors that have messed up apologised to their churches, step down or have to give up their ministries temporarily or permanently. They stood up and lead and took responsibility sometimes with large impacts on their family and financial life.
Does no one in Hillsong church feel even slightly concerned about this? That is a real question. Not an insult or accusation.
Of course you will see hate. You hate the truth.
Fred:
you did not respond to the (rheotorical) question RE whether Paul’s judging of people in above passages was correct. Is it safe to assume that you believe Paul *was* right to pass judgement on people in certain circumstances e.g. personally naming people to be warned about?
You are passing judgement upon people here by telling US to remove speck from eye first- what makes you assume that we have not done that already? Isn’t labelling *all* people here as unloving and full of hate because they dare to criticise Hillsong *for valid reasons* being judgmental yourself?
“You are passing judgement upon people here by telling US to remove speck from eye first- what makes you assume that we have not done that already?”
I simply asked the question and yet to recieve an answer. Isnt it fair enough to ask a brother if they have removed the speck from their eye first before they pass judgement on others?
“because they dare to criticise Hillsong”
I think it is good that Hillsong is questioned. Everyone should be accountable to each other. But the way you go about it is the issue and lacks biblical context.
Speaking for myself, as an Ex-Charismatic I know how sincere many Charismatics are about their faith. (That is why I do my best NOT to be insulting – God only knows where self-proclaimed Christians who defend Hillsong online are at spiritually – whether saved or unsaved, ignorant or willfully avoiding the truth etc.
How biblical Hillsong attendees’ faith is – salvation through faith in Jesus Christ (not Hillsong itself) – that is another matter entirely. I cannot speak for the blog owners or other contributors for what they type.
RE Lacking biblical context – if every Christian church/ “Christian” organization/ cult/ false teacher/ false Christian was be named personally in the bible, it would be larger than the internet.
Try to ignore some contributors’ insults: is what is being shown about Hillsong *factually correct* or opinions formed via *factual information*?
e.g. Brian Houston has been shown to lie via omission RE Mark Driscoll’s interview at SYDNEY Hillsong Conference mid-year 2015. After protests Houston made it appear to media Driscoll was not going to be at the conference. Instead of a live appearance a recorded interview was played instead.
Only with word games can it be argued that Driscoll didn’t appear at the conference.
That is deceptive. Deliberate misleading of critics is disgusting behaviour for a so-called “Christian” leader and has been condemned by Christians and atheists alike.
How about you use some bible verses in context to show God condones the use of deception by *Christians*, “the ends justifying the means” as Brian Houston did, when Jesus says Satan is the Father of Lies (John 8:44)?
“Don’t see much gentleness in this blog. Just hate.”
Fred…. Why doesn’t it bother you when Brian Houston shows HATRED and complete CONTEMPT towards every Christian who disagrees with him and/or points out his doctrinal / moral errors on social media like Twitter?
Brian is not gentle towards ANY Christians openly outside of Hillsong who disagree with him. Nor towards openly secular media who disagree with him.
So Brian’s obvious misbehavior is acceptable to you, his public destruction of Christ’s reputation is acceptable to you, but perceived misbehavior on this blog really bothers you? Huh???
“Don’t see much gentleness in this blog. Just hate.”
So “Fred”, if you don’t like this web site, why don’t you just go and start your own?
You are such a compelling individual; I’m sure that you would have a dedicated following and comments galore in no time flat.
“It was a simple question that deserves a simple answer.”
It was a simple question posed by a simpleton, and it deserves to be ignored.
Cdeniseyoung said:
“I have no agenda. Actually, in the beginning I agreed with most of what you said about the video. Then you started criticizing Messianic believers, studying our Hebrew Roots, sacred dance, women in ministry, those who believe in and teach the 5-Fold Ministry as stated in Ephesians, yada yada yada … so it appears that there is a stronghold here of a critical and judgmental spirit. WHO do you believe IS a Member of the Body of Christ???”
Please allow me.
Cdeniseyoung. When you post 3 long posts in a row, you have an agenda.
Any one who has respect for God’s holiness would find the video crass. Even Muslims would find it crass (different God – similar standards against worldiness).
We criticized your “let us go back to law keeping!” position which is ANATHEMA to the Lord Jesus Christ.
– Matthew 23 are your lots (disguised cleverly by banging physical cymbals and no doubt burning scented candles etc.) It’s bondage and against everything my New Testament speaks of.
FREEDOM – LIBERTY – LIFE – GRACE – MERCY… from law and bondage.
Jesus kept the law PERFECTLY and He is our righteousness.
If you think your righteousness CAN exceed that of the Pharisees and Scribes… and worse still, that doing such can save you… you do not know the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
5 fold ministry? Every believer is a Body of Christ member and has gifts for using in their own personal ‘ministry’. Ministry simply means service. It isn’t a separate club for religiously qualified persons. We all have a ministry.
Jesus and Paul displayed a healthy dose of criticism. I’m all for criticism when Brian’s protecting paedophiles in ‘ministry’ (as you define it) and women sensually singing songs about my precious Jesus.
By the look of your doctrine I’d respond to your final question and say that if you are working to
a) save yourself or b) keep yourself saved
then you probably don’t know that Jesus is the only righteousness we need. He is our Rest. Our Saviour.
Read Galatians… it’s warning about people like you.
Regards.
Porpoise. 😉
Hillsong Sydney performed (just now) the same disgusting sexy version of ‘Silent Night’ streaming live http://hillsong.com/watch
I am deeply saddened how your comments can be so hateful and vindictive. I checked out your site as I had heard some powerful worship on Youtube, wanted to check out more about Hillsong, stumbled on your site with Google. Can you all see how troubling these words are? Snidely calling them Whoresong? “They do Christian Christmas carrols better than the world. Look how relevant Hillsong is – not even the world has taken this song to this… level.” Please think about and ask God if he’s pleased with the tone of your messages. I don’t feel any love in this at all. And God loves people at this church – who are seeking Jesus just like you.
Thank you. God help us all.
So Jerry, are you saying that this version is perfectly fine and beyond criticism? You know at the 1914 Christmas truce English and German soldiers on the front both sang this carol. As the original is in German it was the one song both troops knew and could sing in their own language. To me that is powerful and speaks volumes as to what the sing is about – unlike this Vegas cabaret monstrosity of which all that’s missing seems to be a stripper pole.
Then again there are people who think that calling yourself “Geisha” and writhing around like a ho’ is also a great way to reach people in the name of Jesus. Are you one of those as well? And you think God is more concerned about the tone of the criticism rather than what’s being done in His name by these “churches”?
” I […] stumbled on your site with Google.”
That would have been easy for you, since stumbling is something that comes quite naturally to your type.
“I am deeply saddened how your comments can be so hateful and vindictive.”
How terribly cruel of those nasty, nasty disciples of Christ to offend your ever-so-delicate sensibilities.
“Can you all see how troubling these words are?”
Of course. It’s axiomatic that brain-dead unregenerates such as yourself will invariably find Biblical truth to be extremely confronting.
“I don’t feel any love in this at all.”
Do you think it would help if the Churchwatchers added some nice pictures of rainbows and unicorns?
Jerry, dont be alarmed.
“Perhaps some people who post on the site could be more eloquent”
Standard Christian behaviour on this website is to attack, slander, abuse and ridicule fellow Christians.
Afterall, that’s what we are callled to do in the bible isn’t it churchwatcher?
Jerry you have discovered a website that has it’s own problems, sin and mistakes just like everyone has. A bit like Brian Houston, you, churchwatcher, me and everyone else.
The difference here is moderators, slammers and critics on this website believe that Brian Houston is actually Jesus and is without sin.
That is why they cant stop talking about it because they are shocked that Brian Houston is in fact man and not God.
Amazing eh?
Did you accidentally omit the word “NOT”?
I.e. Critics do NOT believe Brian Houston is Jesus….and is NOT without sin (just like every person except Jesus Christ, see Romans 3:10-20)?
If that was intended, any reasonable person also thinks serious allegations require serious evidence. Please give link from this Hillsongchurchwatch website where a “mean critic” showed shock “Brian Houston is in fact man not God”. Thanks in advance.
“Standard Christian behaviour on this website is to attack, slander, abuse and ridicule fellow Christians.”
Fred you are asuming Brian Houston is a Christian.
That’s another one of your big assumptions, because acc’d to the Bible, guess what…. he’s not.
“The difference here is moderators, slammers and critics on this website believe that Brian Houston is actually Jesus”
Trust me Fred, nobody on this website believes that ‘Brian Houston is actually Jesus.’
On the other hand, it is apparent that Hillsong cult members believe that though.
You just stumbled on the most hateful website on the WWW.
Congratulations. Brought to you by the people who believe John Calvin should come back and be allowed to burn people alive for bad theology and a God who has already decided to burn some people in hell forever.
No, if it was love, reasonableness and sanity you were looking for , you came to the wrong place. You’ll find more of that over at the Hitler Fan Club site.
Sounds like someone needs a Snickers, best food for trolls these days.
#ReductioadHitlerum
Jerry,
You are very fortunate to have found this site. You think it was by accident? Maybe it was of the Lord.
Hillsong is not a “good” church but an end times fake church run by wolves in sheep’s clothing. Brian Houston who owns Hillsong by his own admission at the Royal Commission, has illegally protected a known serial pedophile from the police and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Their relevance has come with great compromise.
Perhaps some people who post on the site could be more eloquent but it does’nt change the fact that Hillsong is rife with false teaching and damnable heresy. Be aware of it and beware of them.
“Jerry,
You are very fortunate to have found this site. You think it was by accident? Maybe it was of the Lord.”
Thats a good one!
More like this website is breaching trademark copyright and riding on the back of the name ‘hillsong’ thus manipulating and taking advantage of natural seo techniques by the name of the domain it holds.
But its ok. Breaking the law is acceptable in the eyes of God if what you are doing is righteous and just – apparently.
churchwatcher
have you seen this
Videos
Inside Hillsong, New York City’s Hippest Mega Church
GQ
Inside Hillsong, New York City’s Hippest Mega Church
GQ
Thanks so much for sharing about that incredible video introducing the wonderful work the Holy Spirit is doing in New York through Hillsong. Isn’t it great? 8000 people!!!
I can remember just a few years ago when lots of negative critics and accusers of swore they wouldn’t succeed in New York. Anyone else here remember that? 8000 people!!
So many young people following Jesus.
Did you hear that guy? “It’s all about Jesus!”
What a great refreshing video showing all those testimonies.
Just beautiful.
Praise God!
Jesus is changing lives – in New York.
Btw I think we really need to acknowledge the great work the critics of Hillsong are doing.
By feeding the media with accusations Hilldong is more well known than ever and as a result more and more people are finding Jesus after experiencing his love at Hillsong.
Just great isn’t it.
Man with all the negativity in the world it was just so refreshing to watch that video.
Positive, loving, faith-filled, inspiring, encouraging!!!
Thanks Writtenbymyself!!!
@ Writtenbymyself: Hillsong New York, Isnt that the Homosexual accepting Hillsong with the Sodomite Survivor choir boys? If that’s the place then they are preaching a different gospel than the one the Apostles preached & regardless of how good anyone might think it is, its rotten to the core and anyone who sees that differently is deceived. Just like Brian Houston who covered up his father’s child sex offences and sees no wrong in doing it.
You are dribbling Jacky Jacky. Do you need a tissue?
Where does it say in the bible that people that go to church are not sinners?
Sinners here, sinners there, sinners everywhere including your church Jacky. That is of course if you actually go to church?
Are you a Christian Jacky?
Feel free to point that verse out. We are all waiting with baited breath. Thanks in advance.
I have just watched the GQ video and personally I think that is one of the best I have seen on Hillsong. I am not against more relavent churches like passion conference and church for students.
My struggle is their accounts and money, the pressure to constantly give more money and only giving 7% to the poor and mission work where Jesus calls us to be.
“Thanks in advance”: phrase used when a request for information would require actual personal effort to achieve – RESEARCH online. A response worthy of good grade assignments etc, finding *facts* to back up a person’s argument.
More time is needed to create a non-emotional, logical answer than a flippant remark after all. Many people still appreciate thoughtful responses outside of the classroom and in real life.
“You are dribbling Jacky Jacky. Do you need a tissue?
Where does it say in the bible that people that go to church are not sinners?”
No you’re the one drooling all over your shirt Fred.
What it says in the Bible is that Christians are not supposed to PROMOTE SIN nor broken theology, which is what Hillsong has become an expert at doing.
Fred, why do you support a corporation which promotes sin and broken theology?
‘Thanks in advance’, lol.
Fred, firstly, you are a rude person. Secondly, everyone has sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God, nothing I said suggested that I think differently. However, Hillsong New York does not confront and rebuke the sin of homosexuality, rather, it seeks to embrace it therefore it cannot be considered a church that represents the true character and nature of God. It is a sham but that should not be surprising though, considering the rock from which Hillsong was hewn was founded by the homosexual pedophile Frank Houston and his illegal and immoral activities have been endorsed by his son Brian in the covering up of said sex crimes and sins. Please show me a scripture that tells us that it is ok to accept sodomy as acceptable Christian conduct as Hillsong New York does or perhaps a scripture that tells us it is ok to cover up sex crimes against children? I don’t think that Jesus would cover up child sex offences or protect a perpetrator of such crimes but obviously the Houston clan do.
“I don’t think that Jesus would cover up child sex offences or protect a perpetrator of such crimes but obviously the Houston clan do.”
Very true. In fact Jesus already condemned that type of behavior. Luke 17:1-2….
He said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks come, but woe to him [FRANK HOUSTON FOR COMMITTING IT & BRIAN HOUSTON FOR COVERING IT UP] through whom they come! “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble.
Jacky Jacky not only are you rude, but your mother also dresses you funny.
“Hillsong New York does not confront and rebuke the sin of homosexuality”
What should they do? Ask the gays to stand up, rebuke them and tell them to leave?
What should they do? Tell the gay people to ‘just get over it?”
What should they do? Tell the teenager that is struggling with their sexuality to commit suicide because it’s not going to get any easier and the church doesn’t accept them as they are?
What should they do? Have a homosexuality test for people before they join the church so they can be determined what activities they can participate in? What sort of test do you propose Jacky Jacky?
What should they do? Segregate all the gay people in one area and point the finger at them and command them to repent?
Get a reality check Jacky Jacky and go and share your faith with some gay people at your local gay nightclub instead of being a self righteous keyboard warrior dribbling through your cocopops.
Fred, What should they do? Well, calling sin a sin would be a good start instead of publishing a statement welcoming those living in unrepentant sin. The sodomite choir boys have been open about their perverted relationship from the word go, it should have been challenged.
Paul challenged the church in 1 Corinthians relative to people unashamedly practicing immorality and so he called for the church to oust the perpetrator and they did, in 2 Corinthians he applauded their obedience to his instruction which led to repentance on the part of the perpetrator. Perhaps they could tell them to “go and sin no more” as Jesus told the woman caught in adultery.
Hillsong want to be sodomite friendly, they want to be hip and relevant regardless of the loss of Biblical integrity. They love the pink dollar and so they will never offend the sodomite community or put themselves in a position where they could face litigation. It does’nt surprise me that they are like this considering the fact that Frank Houston who started the whole thing was a homosexual pedophile and his son Brian knew and covered up his crimes.
Fred, you don’t have and substance to your argument, you just get nasty. It makes me wonder if you are a sodomite, it would explain you irrationality. If you are, you need to turn from you sin, forsake your perverted lifestyle and find forgiveness in Jesus. You don’t have to be a slave to your sin.
Fred, you asked this: “What should they do? Ask the gays to stand up, rebuke them and tell them to leave?”
Preach a sermon like this one. “When forgiveness comes”. http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1223151851158
When a person truly realizes the love that Jesus had for them in dying for their sins, out of love they will respond just like the woman did in Luke &:36-50. Her heart was changed. Her desire was to please God *first*.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+7%3A36-50&version=KJV.
True Christians – including those struggling with homosexual desires – will respond with a repentant heart like that woman did. It may take time, they may struggle, they may need extra support from Christians/ Christian counsellors to help them break their own personal “sin cycle”, but they will aim to do that to please God.
Fake Christians will rebel and will choose their fulfilment of their own sinful desire/s over pleasing God. They will choose to leave a church who dares to preach the whole Gospel and/ or against their pet sins they justify to themselves. No-one has to force them to do leave a God-fearing church; they will choose to do that all by themselves.
Hey Fred, do you need more money? Or is Brian Houston a liar?
Fred said “Standard Christian behaviour on this website is to attack, slander, abuse and ridicule fellow Christians”.
Fred, if you read this blog for a while you’ll begin to notice something – it is actually the people who defend Hillsong and Brian Houston who tend to resort to attacking, slander and abuse, not the usual contributors. The reason is of course that BH / Hillsong’s behaviour is generally unacceptable and difficult to defend, certainly from a biblical perspective.
It’s a bit like you accusing this site of breaching trademark rights. Are you some sort of lawyer? Because from what I understand it’s permissible under Australian law to use a trade mark for non-commercial purposes. So unless this website is making a bucket full of cash or charging people to access it, I don’t think there’s a problem. Then again you’re the one accusing this site, so maybe you can explain it?
“Fred, if you read this blog for a while you’ll begin to notice something – it is actually the people who defend Hillsong and Brian Houston who tend to resort to attacking, slander and abuse, not the usual contributors.”
That is garbage. Another hillsongchurchwatcher trying to elevate themselves above Hillsong attendees.
Go through the comments in the last few posts and take a look at the response from regular moderators to new visitors of the site.
Just one example from this very page.
“It’s axiomatic that brain-dead unregenerates such as yourself”
Point made.
““It’s axiomatic that brain-dead unregenerates such as yourself”
Obviously you have something in common with Brian Houston: you find that the truth hurts. Your obsessive defence of hillsong is clearly indicative of both your sad spiritual state and the fact that you are not right in the head (as with the vast majority of those who are involved with the hillsong cult).
I’ve got a question for you Fred: is it the case that you need more money, or was Brian Houston wrong to say that?
Oh, oh! Looks like poor old Fred’s gone missing in action.
What’s the matter, Fred? Can’t bring yourself to tell us whether you need more money or not? What a disappointment it is to find that you are just another gutless know-nothing blow-hard who wilts at the slightest hint of pressure. It’s too bad that you decided to follow the gormless and effete Brian Houston rather than a real man like Jesus (maybe if you double-tithe God will give you a spine).
Hopefully Fred has gone to get the counseling he seriously needs.
“permissible under Australian law to use a trade mark for non-commercial purpose”
Selling books via Amazon via affiliate links? How is that non-commercial?
Feel free to point out the part of the Act that allows that to be permissible. Thanks in advance.
To be honest I’ve never clicked on any of those links and I doubt many have, and I seriously doubt the website is making any money out of it. From what I can tell it’s not Churchwatch who are selling those books but rather recommending books to people who want a serious read out of what seems to be an ever growing avalanche of Christian books, many of which teach the prosperity gospel. But if you consider that “commercial” fine, perhaps check out the “fair dealing” section of the act instead?
As for the other point, notice how I state that my observation was over time. I’ve been reading this blog for a few years now and I stand by my observation. Of course you’ll be able to pick out the odd comment here or there, particularly when people like you seem to invite it, but in terms of general behaviour over time it’s the pro-BH and Hillsongers that lead the charge on the abuse front. Go through the archives and you’ll see it too, and I’m not even taking into account the comments that don’t make it due because they’ve been blocked by the moderators.
And finally just to clear this up, I don’t try to “elevate” myself over Hillsong attendees. I really hope that they see what’s going on in front of them week after week one day and turn their back on Brian’s personal cult which exists only to financially support him and his family. And if you don’t believe me just have a look at how many of the Houston clan are on Hillsong’s payroll living the (undeclared) fringe benefits high life.
Interesting
I just read this then saw your post. The beautiful model wife.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3143901/Hillsong-s-hottest-couple-tattooed-Australian-pastor-glamorous-wife-Justin-Bieber-s-spiritual-guides-dark-family-secret-plaguing-new-age-church.html
So much on outer beauty. What a shame. The more i dig the worse it seems.
Just 7% to the poor from the Hillsong income. So sad.
“First, you must take the plank out of your own eye.”
“Feel free to point out the part of the Act that allows that to be permissible.”
Fred feel free to point out the part of the Bible that tells one to not judge.
The verse you quoted above specifically refers to hypocritical judgement only, not biblical judgement.
Fred is a typical hillsong apologist, foolishly fighting without a weapon. He does not know how to use The Sword. He is an unarmed harmless naked warrior. So sad. Only here to argue using his cheap personal belief talking points, not argue using the Bible as the basis for his arguments. His arguments are baseless and worthless personal opinions only.
Wow. Firstly the Silent Night video is incredible. What talented people!
Second the GQ video is fantastic!
Third, the article about Joel Houston’s wife? Respect! What a beautiful babe he got there! Isn’t she something?
I think I get it. Let’s have some pics up of the churchwatchers gals and see the difference.
Hillsong seems to be run by and attractive to super talented, successful gorgeous, loving, happy people living the abundant life.
Is this all about jealousy?
you all think the boring bald geriatric vicar married to the fat wife who plays the organ while 5 out of tune old ladies strain through their bifocals and try to keep their dentures in before they retire to a room full of pensioners eating pikelets and lamingtons is the way to go??
Yeah, how many people line up outside the church watcher church to get in?
Praise God for the great harvest of souls among young people from the coolest cities in the world.
Go Hillsong. No wonder the Houston kids want to share the vision!
Are all your kids racing to hand out the hymnals and rave about the fat pastors wife’s latest crochet work?
And Yes, lots of people need more money.
You guys need more so you can get out more instead of festering over your PCs waiting to pounce on something Brian does next and looking forward to the pew renovation and next year’s church fete.
You guys are the Mr Beans of the Christian world.
There’s still time. Repent, fall in love with Jesus and go to a Hillsong service near you!
Jesusislord: so you have this to say – “you all think the boring bald geriatric vicar married to the fat wife who plays the organ while 5 out of tune old ladies strain through their bifocals and try to keep their dentures in before they retire to a room full of pensioners eating pikelets and lamingtons is the way to go??”
Jesus has this to say:
Isaiah 46:4 “Even to your old age I will be the same, And even to your graying years I will bear you! I have done it, and I will carry you; And I will bear you and I will deliver you.”
Leviticus 19:32 “You shall rise up before the grayheaded and honor the aged, and you shall revere your God; I am the LORD.”
1 Timothy 5:1-2 “Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers, the older women as mothers, and the younger women as sisters, in all purity.”
1 Peter 5:5 “You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”
I would rather listen to Nicky Gumbel and talk about his Alpha vision, where believers and non believers are educated and informed about God. They then have an understanding of Christianity.
Does Hillsong run Alpha?
“Is this all about jealousy?”
How could anyone be jealous of Hillsong Christians & Non-Christians, all living in the World?
“you all think the boring bald geriatric vicar married to the fat wife who plays the organ while 5 out of tune old ladies strain through their bifocals and try to keep their dentures in before they retire to a room full of pensioners eating pikelets and lamingtons is the way to go?? Yeah, how many people line up outside the church watcher church to get in?”
The Lord notices what a bigot you are.
“Hillsong seems to be run by and attractive to super talented, successful gorgeous, loving, happy people living the abundant life.”
And you yourself are worldly like them. And covetous.
“And Yes, lots of people need more money.”
However not to be successful the Hillsong way spending it on self.
“you all think the boring bald geriatric vicar married to the fat wife who plays the organ while 5 out of tune old ladies strain through their bifocals and try to keep their dentures in before they retire to a room full of pensioners eating pikelets and lamingtons is the way to go?? Yeah, how many people line up outside the church watcher church to get in?”
And by the way bigot, you probably dissed half the Body of Christ in your bigotry.
“Hillsong seems to be run by and attractive to super talented, successful gorgeous, loving, happy people living the abundant life.”
You haven’t read your Bible, have you? God Himself has said “For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.”
So the “boring bald geriatric vicar” and his “fat wife” will be at the marriage supper of the Lamb, while all those “super talented, successful gorgeous, loving, happy people” will be burning in the fires of hell, where they shall remain for all eternity.
And while it is true that Jesus is Lord, he is most certainly not *your* Lord, and you shall likewise perish in eternal flames, where you will weep and wail and howl and gnash your teeth – and bitterly curse Brian Houston for deceiving you and leading you down to the depths from which there is no escape.
JesusisLord, those same boring oldies are:
* the spiritual warriors who pray for the saints and the unsaved
*know the Lord with both their heart and their head from years of walking with the Lord.
* the ones who know how to defend the faith to both non-believers and brothers-and-sisters- in-Christ (e.g. ones struggling with sudden death of family member/s)
The same boring oldies who when meeting *you* for the first time at church would want to know about *your* faith in the Lord, not *your* dating compatibility/social status with themselves/ friends.
“Jesusislord” says “Hillsong seems to be run by … gorgeous … people …”
Do you know what Proverbs 11:22 has to say about this, Jil?
“Like a gold ring in a pig’s snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.”
And how about this from Isaiah?
‘The Lord says,
“The women of Zion are haughty,
walking along with outstretched necks,
flirting with their eyes,
strutting along with swaying hips,
with ornaments jingling on their ankles.
Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion;
the Lord will make their scalps bald.”
In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, the earrings and bracelets and veils, the headdresses and anklets and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, the signet rings and nose rings, the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.
Instead of fragrance there will be a stench;
instead of a sash, a rope;
instead of well-dressed hair, baldness;
instead of fine clothing, sackcloth;
instead of beauty, branding.’
And Amos had a few words on this subject as well:
‘Hear this word, you cows of Bashan on Mount Samaria,
you women who oppress the poor and crush the needy
and say to your husbands, “Bring us some drinks!”
The Sovereign Lord has sworn by his holiness:
“The time will surely come
when you will be taken away with hooks,
the last of you with fishhooks.”‘
That’s right, Jil – those shiny happy women of the hillsong cult are nothing but cows in the eyes of Him who sees all, and the promise is sure that every single one of them will be brought low in their time. Do you think that anyone will be jealous of them on the day when they are called to account, and when they discover to their great cost the true implications of the fact that Jesus is Lord?
And what about your comment regarding a “bald vicar”? Have you not read this, Jil?
‘[Elisha] went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.’
That’s right, Jil: those callow youths who were foolish enough to deride one of God’s prophets on the basis of his baldness were mauled by bears. Interesting, eh?
It seems that you are ignorant regarding the Scriptures and that there is no fear of God before your eyes. Maybe you should pay a little less attention to Brian Houston and a little more to the Holy Spirit – assuming that you have ears to hear, that is…
This production is a sign of our times. I am almost speechless after seeing what I saw in this video and how anyone can even remotely associated it with church, holiness, worship, or the purity of our Lord Jesus. To the person who wrote that those who would question something like this are just jealous of Hillsong’s success, I say that success is a relative term. If your definition of success is attracting large crowds of spiritually insensitive people Who have no ability to discern good from evil, then I would say Hillsong is a smashing success. However, keep in mind that the church of Ephesus was the largest church in the world in the first century, but in the book of Revelation Jesus referred to the church of Ephesus as being completely fallen. Maybe Hillsong is the modern-day version of the church of Ephesus.
The Effects of False Worship: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1222151529228
Some very good points.
“God will not share his glory… He will leave that place….
Whether images set up materially or set up in the heart He is jealous of His glory.”
“…If The Gospel is replaced… true worship always approaches God through the blood of the covenant, of the atonement (Jesus’ death on the cross as the sacrifice for our sins)… any worship that minimizes, denies, or distracts from atonement is in danger of missing the Lord altogether.”
P.S. Love the Irish accent. 🙂
Full Christmas production – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLyMFsOd0rA
A comment from social media
“This number is from a Christmas spectacular show that was designed as a theatrical production. It tells the story of the Magi on quest for the King’s Star. This piece is early on in the show and follows egomaniacal King Herod snapping his fingers and calling for “music!” It is supposed to make you cringe. It is supposed to have all the worldly excess of a Gatsby-style party which exposes that Herod is seeking Jesus for all the wrong reasons. Later in the show, there is a beautiful, meaningful (and traditional) version of Silent Night which contrasts with the aforementioned piece and makes the exact point that you are all making. The show ends with the attention firmly on Jesus Christ.
This video was not released by Hillsong, nor would this number ever be an item on its own. It has a narrative context where it makes sense, although of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Whether or not a theatrical experience is your cup of tea, it’s hard to argue with the tens of thousands of people who attend the show (35,000 in Australia alone), thousands of whom are entering a church environment of the first time and most importantly all those who made decisions to follow Jesus.”
Friends, please remember that context is of severe importance and we usually lack not only context, but culture and proper insight from headline posts on social media.
Take time. Research. Be civil. Act with patience, tact and wisdom. Have respect, don’t just assume.”
‘This piece […] follows egomaniacal King Herod snapping his fingers and calling for “music!” It is supposed to make you cringe. It is supposed to have all the worldly excess of a Gatsby-style party which exposes that Herod is seeking Jesus for all the wrong reasons.’
Oh, I get it: King Herod is an analogue for Brian Houston, that apotheosis of prosperity gospel hedonists who will never be allowed to forget his classic self-defining quote: “You Need More Money”.
“This piece is early on in the show and follows egomaniacal King Herod snapping his fingers and calling for “music!” It is supposed to make you cringe….Take time. Research. Be civil. Act with patience, tact and wisdom. Have respect, don’t just assume.”
No, this was wrong. No matter how much one tries to rationalize it.
One need not experience “evil” to understand what “good” is. This type of number could cause many a brother to stumble into lust. Christians do not need to portray the world, the world already portrays itself in full view for all. We as Christians are supposed to have higher standards than the world.
Most churches would not even consider putting on a number like this. Regardless of the purported reasoning behind it. This type of number is for a Seeker-Sensitive audience only.
Stumbled. Gorgeous women with very little clothes on. I am sure you would attract thousands. It looked like something from Moulin Rouge.
Can you imagine the creative director instructing the “performers”? Come on sisters, show a little more leg girl! Be more seductive in your tone, a little more slutty please! Come on, shake those boobies for Jesus, we need to identify with the sinners to reach them! Yeah right, we have to get this all in context.
We have to remain true to Jesus, Im not a fan of attacking my Brothers and Sisters because I disagree on minor issues like costumes and thematic s for a Chrissy play. We need to become one John 17:21 “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” OR would we prefer,
Matthew 24:10 “and then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another and shall betray one another”. Regardless Great Trouble is coming…
“I’m not a fan of attacking my Brothers and Sisters […]”
Brian Houston is not our “brother”, nor is Bobbie Houston our “sister”. They are heretics who peddle a fake gospel for personal gain; that is to say, they are frauds, liars, and cheats.
“because I disagree on minor issues like costumes and thematics for a Chrissy play.”
You have no discernment, and are therefore unable to appreciate the import of the things that you witness. The so-called “minor issues” to which you refer are symptomatic of the true nature of hillsong. You might find it strange that people would question the sartorial taste of someone who is seen to don a wolf’s pelt, whereas a more perspicacious individual than yourself would instead correctly deduce that such apparel is entirely appropriate for one who is in fact a wolf.
As for “becoming one”, you might benefit from a little research into exactly how the church is being groomed to fall into line as an apostate one-world organisation under the sway of him who will come in his own name, and, in particular, the part that thoroughly-corrupted pentecostal mega-cults such as hillsong have to play in that.
Andrew, The smutty sexualised Christmas carol is just a symptom of the corrupt heart of the Hillsong corporation.
Frank Houston’s Sydney branch was steeped in sexual sin as is Brian’s franchise. His father’s sex crimes against children, Brian’s covering up of it all, Pat Mesiti’s visits to the brothels and numerous other sexual immoralities and adulteries by pastors covered up and all for filthy lucre’s sake.
This is far more than a dirty rendition of a traditional carol but an indication of the state of the heart of the organisation. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, seems to be the same with people as with organisations.
Exposing the corruption of Hillsong is not attacking of a brother because the Houstonites are false brothers as Paul spoke of. The Houstons’ father is the devil, just as Jesus said of the pharisees of old. This is not betraying and hating one another, this is tares vs wheat, sheep vs goats. By their fruit, you will know them & the fruit of the Houston’s fruit is rank.
I dont doubt that there are quite a few real Christians that attend Hillsong services but that will never make right the evil actions of the corrupt leadership that lords it over them and devours the deceived. The real Christians amongst them need to wake up and get the hell out of there.
http://www.martyduren.com/2015/12/22/response-hillsong-london-silent-night-flapper-video/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork
If I were sitting in an audience expecting a Christmas Carol experience and these women came out dressed like that, lifting up their legs and the woman singing in that tone of voice… I am quite confident my better half and I would both stand up and walk out.
Clearly some believers might not be mature enough to realise that it is worldly and not right. Unless older believers point these things out, they might think God is OK with women dressing like this and carrying on like the world.
It’s just not good.
“Im not a fan of attacking my Brothers and Sisters because I disagree on minor issues”
Sorry Charley. Child sex abuse is NOT a ‘minor issue.’ Neither is Brian Houston milking the Body of Christ via the Prosperity Gospel.
But you are a ‘fan’ of Brian Houston attacking Christians outside of Hillsong, and him attacking the integrity of the meaning of the Scriptures with his falsehoods?
Andrew, looks like you need to get your priorities straight.
“We need to become one John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me”
Andrew, the apostle Paul made it clear: You CANNOT UNITE with those preaching/teaching FALSE DOCTRINES. Jesus was NOT suggesting we do that in John 17:21.
Andrew, how do you people come up with this stuff? Wow.
Hebrews 5:12-14 — “In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.”
An explanation of the video from a staff member of Hillsong Church.
“This number is from a Christmas spectacular show that was designed as a theatrical production. It tells the story of the Magi on quest for the King’s Star. This piece is early on in the show and follows egomaniacal King Herod snapping his fingers and calling for “music!” It is supposed to make you cringe. It is supposed to have all the worldly excess of a Gatsby-style party which exposes that Herod is seeking Jesus for all the wrong reasons. Later in the show, there is a beautiful, meaningful (and traditional) version of Silent Night which contrasts with the aforementioned piece and makes the exact point that you are all making. The show ends with the attention firmly on Jesus Christ.
This video was not released by Hillsong, nor would this number ever be an item on its own. It has a narrative context where it makes sense, although of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Whether or not a theatrical experience is your cup of tea, it’s hard to argue with the tens of thousands of people who attend the show (35,000 in Australia alone), thousands of whom are entering a church environment of the first time and most importantly all those who made decisions to follow Jesus.”
Friends, please remember that context is of severe importance and we usually lack not only context, but culture and proper insight from headline posts on social media.
Take time. Research. Be civil. Act with patience, tact and wisdom. Have respect, don’t just assume.
Let’s be better than this. We have enough to do without having to deal with all the critics on our own team.
This was already published in comments.
“Whether or not a theatrical experience is your cup of tea, it’s hard to argue with the tens of thousands of people who attend the show (35,000 in Australia alone), thousands of whom are entering a church environment of the first time …”
It’s only hard to argue with the numbers if you are an empty-headed moron who is unaware of that most common of all fallacious arguments: the argumentum ad populum.
Apparently this hillsong cult “staff member” is just another ignorant git in the same mould as his bosses Brian and Bobbie Houston. This blithering idiot would no doubt give us exactly the same advice as that previously proffered by Brian – that we should travel on the “broad road” – on the basis that “most people are going by that way”. I suppose he would also assure people that it’s quite safe to follow the throngs of the damned through the “wide gate”, all the while confidently contending that the smell of brimstone in the air should give no cause for alarm since “it’s all about context”. And of course this pathetic stooge’s whole argument is undermined by the fact that the hillsong cult moved with the greatest alacrity to hide their handiwork – if there really is nothing wrong, why did they need to make the video private?
“… we usually lack not only context, but culture and proper insight …”
It’s a miracle! At last we have a statement regarding the hillsong cult that is 100% accurate: Brian Houston and his Brainless Henchmen never, ever present the things of God in context, and they consistently show themselves to be boorish and uncultured individuals who have not so much as a skerrick of insight between the lot of them.
“Let’s be better than this. We have enough to do without having to deal with all the critics on our own team.”
Well I guess Paul didn’t have better things to do, than waste his time sitting around writing Galatians.
A neutral third party, you know you REALLY need to waste some time and read that Bible that Paul wrote more often. That might correct your way-off-the-mark perspective a bit.
In my comment above, I made no reference to my personal views on the matter. I simply posted an item of text in relation to the video.
The comments after the quotation mark were from the person who shared the original staff member message (not the staff member). I didn’t realise I had copied that part into my comment. My mistake.
Understood.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
“I simply posted an item of text in relation to the video.”
No you didn’t. You posted an item of text that was prefaced by the following remark:
“An explanation of the video from a staff member of Hillsong Church.”
when in fact we know full well that when it comes to hillsong, there is no such thing as an “explanation” – there are only endless excuses, rationalisations, justifications, evasions, back-flips, and the odd outright lie or two. However, just as a city on a hill cannot be hidden, so, on the other side of the coin, the unmistakable stench of Brian Houston’s cult will always be found wafting around those who would offer him moral support.
And if you troubled yourself to take Clancy Seabrook’s advice, you would find that there are two types of people in the world: those who are sheep, and those who are goats. There are no “neutral third parties” in the Kingdom of God; there are, however, any number of heretical hirelings and their feckless fellow travellers who would disguise themselves as such should it be deemed expedient to do so. It’s just too bad for them that there’s simply nothing more transparent than a try-hard troll.
“Whether or not a theatrical experience is your cup of tea, it’s hard to argue with the tens of thousands of people who attend the show”
Yeah, it will be even harder to argue with God when all those tens of thousands of people who attend the show are standing before Him fumbling all over themselves looking for excuses on why they didn’t believe what the Bible says on dozens of topics like this one, but rather insisted on believing what chief apostate Brian Houston said instead.
I wonder if Brian Houston will include narrative context the next time he twists an out of context bible verse to convince people to give him a minimum of 10% of their income… Oh the irony of Hillsong complaining something was taken out of context!
Prove it.
Sorry, what are you asking to prove?
That the comment i replied to is true
“Prove it.”
Still got your rotten attitude huh, scrivener?
Are you still hanging out over at Steve’s idiotic website too?
Why should Icarus prove anything? You have yet to respond to dozens of posts which you could not even begin to respond to, so you ignored them, much less have you ever proven anything here.
Clown.
“Prove it”. Easily done, I’d point you to the next article for example (ok, it’s about BH but we can safely assume it had BH’s OK) but let’s play a game… how about you put up some direct quotes on tithing from Brian Houston (please include the source) and we’ll then have a discussion about those quotes. I think you’ll find he says things like “because I’ve seen it work for me” and all that kind of nonsense, but I want to give you every chance to defend him. Go, this is your chance to prove all of us wrong…
“Go, this is your chance to prove all of us wrong…”
Absolutely. And scrivener never will. As everyone knows scrivener’s never been able to prove anything here. Deny it all he will…. he uses circular arguments and evasion tactics.
Hmmm… that Scrivener guy doesn’t seem to be particularly interested in proving all of us wrong!
For readers who are still letting Hillsong (or any church doing similar performances) off the hook via saying:
“you’re taking this too seriously and out-of- context- the bible doesn’t say anything against women in short skirts dancing in 21st century musicals, singing modern arrangements of old-fashioned hymns……since the bible doesn’t name the above situation as sinful, it is permitted for Hillsong/ seeker-sensitive churches to do so IF they [appear to] draw people to Christ…..”
Learn this verse: Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
If any of you are doing that – whether Christian babes-in-Christ or mature (in years only) Christians – it’s time to keyword search “HOLY” in bible website AND decide to read at least one WHOLE chapter of the New Testament every day.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from *all* appearance of evil.
1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in *modest* apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Basic reading comprehension and a familiarity with the bible will fill in the gaps for you. Christians are supposed to grow in holiness and a desire to bring glory to *God*.
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/you-just-need-obey/
Does the family immorality issues in this ministry disqualify the content?
Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaventh the whole lump.
A “little” sin or impurity = leaven/ yeast.
Remember the nursery poem “for want of a nail”?
For want of a nail a horseshoe was lost…
for want of a horseshoe the horse was lost…
-> rider lost -> battle lost -> the kingdom was lost,
and all for want of a horseshoe nail.
http://www.holybiblesays.org/articles.php?ID=491
For want of purity/ presence of impurity holiness is lost.
Hebrews 12:14 Pursue with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see God
When an average male, non-Christian viewer watches the above clip, what will remain in his memory long-term: the actual song lyrics or the performers dancing in short skirts?
* pursue PEACE with all men
Agree with you thinker, I wouldn’t exactly make a beeline to find a wife among the bevy of ‘chicks’ in this Vaudeville Joint.
I consider all these scantily clad showoffs in this video clip to be part of the non-eligible pool personally.
I’m curious to know where that official statement from a staff member at Hillsong came from?
I attended this “concert” (or whatever one would like to call it.) Something that was previously free is now a fiver – i wouldn’t be surprised if this increases next year with talks of 3 shows (oops, services.)
Honestly, i was more offended that they had butchered such a beautiful hymn, but did raise my eyebrows at the performance in general.
At the time, I remember on the social media pages, people left comments regarding outfits e.t.c (they are still there, you just have to dig deep for them.) Someone who is on the Hillsong team replied saying the outfit was beautiful and nothing more – there was no such explanation then.
Having said that, i’m not sure why one would even be surprised as Hillsong London in general is very much a song and dance.
The lead pastor is rather nonchalant and has made it known that he is not bothered at people’s complaints.
Brian and Bobbie have so many “rooms” now, how on earth do they keep track on what is going on in all of them? A while back someone was complaining on Bobbie’s page about the state of the Barcelona branch.
Actually, the temple worship in Israel bcm polluted with an unholy mixture like this. See Amos 5:21-23. Also, Gods words says to Be ye holy bc I am Holy. Nothing holy about bellies showing, shimming, high kicks with straddles showing,etc. Attention is on man and not on God. That is what Satan wanted. He wanted to touch the “Glory” for himself. Nothing virginal about this either. Can U imagine what Mary would have said about the lack of reverence or chastity, little alone CHRIST?
Undeniable trash !! Ungodly ! So dark I could not finish the video. Christians do not stay ‘silent’ on this one.
Amen! Amen!! Amen!!!
Why can’t the average Christian see through the fluff and get it?
It is undeniable that this ‘performance’ (specifically the butchering of this song anyway) was absolute garbage.
It is NOT edifying in any stretch of the imagination, regardless of if it what it was ‘attempting to portray’….
No. Still nothing here.
“No. Still nothing here.”
As is your blog, eh mate?
It wasn’t a silent night at Pat Mesiti’s place on NYE. Full of booze and slapping his wife around. Nothing holy about that.
Hillsong are an accursed breed.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/former-hillsong-pastor-pat-mesiti-faces-domestic-violence-charges-20160101-gly2ld.html
Yeah. And you people are overjoyed at this and will milk it for all its worth.
I am sick of people who thrive on this.
I am sick of people who milk the church for all its worth.
“And you people are overjoyed at this”
There’s a lie. They have said over & over on this website they would love to see Brian Houston repent.
“and will milk it for all its worth.
I am sick of people who thrive on this.”
None makes money from this website, but Brian Houston makes money off his books. So who’s thriving now? Do you think Paul milked it for all its worth? How much money do you think Paul made off his epistles that pointed out error? Far less than all-time-milker Brian Houston has made off his books & his tithing lie.. Brian Houston is the one thriving, in case you haven’t noticed there, Chief.
And why aren’t you sick of Brian Houston’s deceiving the Church about Frank Hoston? You have some misplaced anger don’t you think?
Speaking of “milking things for all theyre worth”, Brian Houston sure has milked the Tithing false doctrine for all its worth. Hillsong must have raked in $$$ Millions off that single big fat lie alone.
That was money which could have been put to good use by legitimate Christian churches for legitimately spreading the Gospel and helping the poor. Not building more yuppie churches to rake in even more cash, not funding extravagant lifestyles of the rich and famous pastors, not introducing more worldly lifestyle leaven into the real Church, not spreading false teachings and flying false teachers to bogus conferences, not pushing false teaching self-help success fantasy books.
wow sadman.
“milking it for all its worth”.
if anything it goes to show that the ‘fruit’ in Pat’s life isn’t holy, let alone good.
beating his wife up?
getting intoxicated?
this guy makes his cash teaching life principles?
WHO PAYS MONEY TO GOONS LIKE THIS?
A video by this ‘expert’ titled “BREAKING BAD HABITS” of all lunacies:
Hi,
I’ve been reading the comments here. I completely agree with the criticism of the secularisation of Christmas as carried out it this video. I also agree that Hillsong sadly has strong self-gratifying tendencies. I wish they’d used all that money in a more Christ-like way. In general, I wish they wouldn’t compete so fiercely with the commercial entertainment business, because I think that’s not what people need and seek. The world is already full of entertainment, which I don’t necessarily have anything against, but people expect something heavier, bigger, eternal, and real from the church.
One question though – what’s up with all the gender-based hate you commenters direct towards the woman in the video? Commenting on her looks, that she looks like a “whore”, “a Jezebel”, “a cow”, and what not does not make you look like serious Christians. I wish you’d stay on topic and avoid misogyny and personal attacks.
Best wishes,
Clive
Hey Clive,
Nothing misogynistic about calling a spade a spade. The female in question would look more at home in a strip joint than in a church. She looks more like she is representing a pimp than Jesus.
I think that says more about anti christ nature of Hillsong than the seriousness of the faith of people who have commented.
She looks like a burlesque flapper dancer from the 20’s.
How else can you put that? I wouldn’t know of a nice way to phrase that.
The words “burlesque flapper dancer” don’t appear in the Bible but words like “whore” & “harlot” do and in context with Hillswrong’s defilement of the Christmas carol and their own spiritual impurity the stronger language is quite appropriate and in line with Biblical analogy.
Are these words in the new testament ?
Biblegateway website will answer that for you. You can limit results to New Testament as well.
e.g. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A15-19&version=KJV
james ryan,
i agree.
the fact that many people in Christendom see nothing wrong with this type of dancing or ‘entertainment’ but think it’s something of a work of ‘art’, is just a sign of where we’re all at.
next up:
pole dancing classes.
For Jesus, naturally.
Something for Hillsong to aspire too perhaps, Lifewithporpoise?
“For one Sunday each month, Dean teaches free classes to Christian women who bring in their church programs.
There is biblical approval of mixing religion with song and dance, namely, Psalm 149:3: “Let them praise His name with dancing; Let them sing praises to Him with timbrel and lyre.”
For critics and skeptics who find it difficult to merge churchgoing Christians with limber pole dancers, religious scholars point out that Christians have been adjusting their moral obligations to the modern world for the last half century. There are Christian tattoo parlors, books about Christian dieting (Thin for Him, Fit for My King), and even Christian sex manuals. On the scale of shocking modern activities for Christians, Thomas Tweed, a professor with the University of Texas, rates the pole dancing classes as “mildly surprising.”
“This is just another attempt to think through how to live a full Christian life,” said Tweed.
“Some people of course would say that this is not the way; that it’s too vulgar, it’s too crass, it’s inappropriate,” Tweed added. “But I can imagine some Christians saying if it actually brings a husband and wife together as Christians to deepen the marriage bond, that actually it’s okay.”……
http://abcnews.go.com/US/hallelujah-christians-pole-dance-jesus-texas/story?id=13194891
Also ‘Christian’ yoga.
Hi everyone,
What about this article by Michael Brown? http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/54382-hillsong-silent-night-and-the-danger-of-judging-by-outward-appearance.
Also, no matter what topic we are discussing, even if we are the most enlightened human ever with the most knowledge and the biggest sense of logic there ever was, and our IQ was clearly above everyone else’s, yet we present our point while lacking love, what does that make us?
If we present opposite opinions, at least one of us is wrong. But it shouldn’t give us license to point out what we view as the error is despicable ways. At the end of it all, we are individually accountable for every word we say. We will not be told “hey good job, you were less insulting than this guy you were exchanging posts with”. But rather something along the lines of “so you’re trying to make me believe that when you replied this, it was with a pure heart and loving motives?”
I personally am an extremely hateful person that quickly jumps to negative conclusions and is always ready to attack the person with whom she’s talking. BUT, I consistently ask Jesus to take that away. And I consistently practice self-discipline, and literally walk away from a conversation that provoked me. Why? Because I’m disgusted by my old nature. I no longer want to be associated to *that*. I want Jesus to change me so much, that one day, someone can look at me and say “wow, Jesus must be real, there’s no way she could have gotten transformed this much otherwise.”
Thanks for reading,
RM
“yet we present our point while lacking love, what does that make us?”
People keep misunderstanding “love”. Love does not mean ignore the truth about what is going on. Love does not mean ignore false gospels and let people slide into hell. Love is telling the truth using the Scriptures, even when it is not pretty.
“I personally am an extremely hateful person that quickly jumps to negative conclusions and is always ready to attack the person with whom she’s talking. BUT, I consistently ask Jesus to take that away.”
That is awesome RM. You keep at it. God can change you and will change you dramatically for the positive. I am sure He already is.
I pray that God will bless you and your family for the truly honest effort of reaching out to him and striving to change for the better.
Disgusting disgraceful disrespectful
To The Lord.
Blasphemy in the house of God
Where is the Holy Spirit in all of
this
Its an absolute disgrace to have ever even gone that far
Shame on all who think they did God a service
Jesus help us all to live holy
Where supposed to be a spotless bride Not a Whore
UCB Daily Devotion posted by Jesuslover
TODAY’S WORD FOR TODAY.
A Sobering Scripture
‘In the same way you judge others, you will be judged.’
Matthew 7:2
Here’s a sobering Scripture: ‘Do not judge, or you too will be judged’ (v. 1 NIV 2011 Edition). Jesus was hard on the religionists of His day because they spent their time nit-picking. They condemned the disciples for not washing their hands, and Jesus for healing on the Sabbath. Consider Jesus’ response: ‘You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me’ (John 8:15-16 NIV 1984 Edition). So here are some questions you need to answer: ‘Do I judge others based on their actions, and judge myself based on my intentions? When someone’s behaviour doesn’t reflect a choice or decision you’d have made, are you quick to comment? When people don’t move at your pace or do something the way you want it done, do you peg them as lazy and worthless? When you hear something negative about somebody, do you repeat it before checking to see if there’s any truth in it?’ Ben Franklin said, ‘I resolve to speak ill of no man … not even in a matter of truth; but rather by some means excuse the faults I hear charged upon others, and upon proper occasions speak all the good I know of everybody’. If you’ve a genuine concern for someone who’s going in the wrong direction and have earned the right to address it, do it in the spirit of love. And remember, you earn that right by consistently demonstrating love and care for them.
VMuirhead – and your point is? We are interested in your thoughts on the “sordid night”.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Ben Franklin? Strange to quote the very immoral Ben Franklin on a Christian Forum….