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If you are a member of Hillsong church going through extreme difficulties, know this: you might see the other side of Brian Houston when you reach out to him with a serious problem.
And if you are a victim of sexual abuse in Hillsong, know that the world has more compassion for you than Hillsong leadership.
Late last year, Kerri Ferguson was interviewed by Chris Rosebrough from Fighting for the Faith. She gave an horrific story detailing the poor behaviour of pastors Gary Dench, Ian Treacy, Phil Pringle and Brian Houston.
Chris Rosebrough interviews Kerri Ferguson
She stated in this interview that she went to the Royal Commission to testify how she was treated by these pastors. (To get more background to her story, you can read all the links at the bottom of this article.)
In spite of what was revealed in the Royal Commission with Brian Houston covering up paedophilia, Kerry Ferguson’s testimony also demonstrates that Brian Houston was not afraid to lie, defend and cover for Phil Pringle who also covered up paedophilia in his C3 church. She exposed those through the letter exchange she had with Brian Houston. You can read the letters below.
There are 4 things we wish to highlight:
1. “Your letter was very sad, as you seem to be a very hurt and bitter person.”
After sharing with Brian how she was a victim to a paedophile and being shunned by C3 leadership, is this the way a loving “pastor” opens up a letter to someone so severely abused? It makes us wonder if he actually did accuse AHA of leading his father on. Houston has no problem attacking and lying to the abused to defend those he upholds.
2. “I am confident in my own heart that if you had related the story of your son to me that I would not forget it…”
He could have easily said that he had no recollection of Kerri relating the story to him. Instead Brian Houston chose to cast aspersions on her integrity, putting himself above her in this regard and saying that IF it had happened he is confident he would have remembered it. He leaves no room to accept that she was being truthful and his memory had failed.
He has only inferred that the abused is a liar. Another instance of abuse by Houston.
3. “… yet I have no recollection at all of ever having been told these things before the exposure on national television.”
This is damning considering that Kerri Ferguson approached Brian Houston regarding her son being sexually abused and how Brian Houston’s mate, Phil Pringle, did NOTHING about it.
Let’s say Brian Houston indeed had “no recollection” of this incident.
Why didn’t he learn from his mistakes back in 1992? When it came to the Royal Commission, Barbara Taylor carefully documented the AHA case because it was important. Brian however, as president of the AOG and founder of Hillsong, did not think it was necessary to carefully document the case of AHA and his father.
Conveniently – Brian Houston suffered memory and was exposed for lacking any form of documentation when confronting his father, talking to Barbara Taylor and the victim AHA. Brian offered no documentation of AHA at all to the Royal Commission.
4. Brian offered NO church or pastoral support for Kerri Ferguson.
Brian Houston did not even offer a prayer to Kerri Ferguson. Not even counselling or provide her with any Hillsong resources to help her with her situation.
5. Overreaction…
When you read Brian Houston’s response to Kerri Ferguson, it is surprising to see him overreact to a victim of church abuse. It is most unusual to see a pastor behave like this… unless this issue hit a personal nerve with him in some way.
Consider this dialogue of Brian Houston regarding his father from the Royal Commission:
Q. At that meeting, I think the evidence that you gave this morning was that certainly you had never heard anything, any allegations against your father, by that stage —
A. Mmm.
Q. — and that this was the first time that you had been given any information that he may have been a paedophile?
A. Yes, absolutely.
Q. So it came, I think you indicated, completely out of the blue to you?
A. Completely.
Q. I take it, then, that you wanted to know at that stage whether the allegations were true or not, didn’t you?
A. I knew deep down in my stomach. Somehow deep down in my stomach, I knew. I can’t say why, but I feel like I didn’t doubt the truth of them.
Q. There was some truth to it; is that what you thought?
A. I felt – I felt that this is not a good situation, that, you know, it’s not going to have a good ending.
EXCERPT FROM THE ROYAL COMMISSION
Below is an excerpt from what was submitted to the Royal Commission last year (2015), regarding Kerrie Ferguson exposing Brian Houston of lying to her and covering for his associate, Phil Pringle. (We have inserted the actual letter she submitted to the Royal Commission down further – click to enlarge):
Brian Houston of Hillsong responding to child sexual abuse
In January 1988 while I was attempting to fix our marriage and attending Hillsong church, Brian Houston in one service, interrupted his message and pointed to my husband (who I did not know was a paedophile by this stage) and prophesied blessing over him, giving me hope that things were going to change for the better. This helped give me the courage later to approach Mr Houston to seek assistance in convincing Pastors Dench and Pringle to support my son and my family through the police investigation and the trial.
So since I had not been able to obtain assistance from Pastor Pringle I then approached Pastor Brian Houston of Hillsong church which I had been attending for the previous eighteen months. I asked him to speak to these other “Pastors” on my behalf, specifically Phil Pringle. Though not in the same group of churches I approached him on the basis of his being a fellow Christian and even pointed out to him that we were all members of the same church – the Christian church.
I also knew Pastor Houston to be a good friend of Pastor Pringle’s and expected that as such he would assist by speaking to Pringle man-to-man, Pastor-to-Pastor, Christian brother-to-Christian brother, or even mate-to-mate. I related our circumstances to Brian Houston who became very irritated, told me he did not believe that such a thing had happened, turned his back on me and walked away. We did not return to Hillsong church.
In retrospect was Pastor Brian Houston’s attitude to this matter surprising? Clearly not. When Brian Houston himself was asked by this Commission during proceedings whether he believed he had a moral or legal obligation to his father’s victims Houston stated that Hillsong, the Assemblies of God nor himself had any legal or moral obligation to the victims of his father’s sexual abuse. Further he claimed that he considers he did the right thing in not reporting his father’s crimes to the police. Did he have a legal obligation? I am not trained to say. But a moral obligation? Of that, who has any doubt?
I now ask the Commission to compare Pastor Brian Houston’s attitude with that of Pastor Gary Dench when Dench stated under oath in the court during sentencing for the child rapist that he was aware that the conduct was “morally wrong” and illegal yet also failed to admit any responsibility to report the matter. There is an attitude in these churches which requires serious change if our children and families are to be protected. There is also an attitude that if these men just maintain a “Holy silence” long enough it will all go away. Well it does not go away for the victims and the families. Just as Frank Houston was moved to another church, Gary Dench and Ian Treacy were moved to other churches. The pastors are looked after, the victims marginalised and treated poorly in some form of kangaroo court AND in many cases the institution is renamed.
After the criminal proceedings had been completed and Pastor Dench had admitted his knowledge of the matter under oath in court, I wrote to Pastor Brian Houston in 1992 to point out to him that indeed I had been telling the truth when I spoke to him that night – the night when he told me he did not believe my “story”.
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{I submit a copy of my letter (marked ‘G”) to the Commission}
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I received a reply from Pastor Brian Houston which stated that he was quite confident in his own heart that if I had related the story of my son to him he would not forget it, yet he had no recollection at all of ever having been told these things before the exposure on national television. The Commission should note that in my letter I say that I was looking for a new church and told Houston of the situation we had experienced in our past church. I did NOT mention having asked Brian Houston to intervene on my behalf in that letter. Houston claims he has no recollection of the meeting AND YET goes on to say that he has never had any jurisdiction over Gary Dench, nor the Christian City Church as a whole, and so I should have been speaking to Dench’s superiors and not to him. Since that is exactly what I had requested Houston to do when I approached him in 1988, (that is to intervene on my behalf) and yet had not mentioned that fact in my letter to him, it seems patently obvious that he blatantly lied about not remembering the conversation! It seems he did recollect the exchange after all!!!
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{I submit a copy of that letter (marked “H”) to the Commission}
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Once again, I see this as an example of the appalling lack of memory these Pastors appear to have when it comes to any matters involving child abuse and that they have no qualms about lying when it suits them disregarding any Biblical principles. Personally, I found his response a tacit declaration that I had lied about going to him when it was clearly he who lied. This appears to be a standard method with which these “Pastors” deal with matters. Convenient memory loss, accuse of lying those who need assistance, lie if you need to cover your own backs, and leave victims and families in chaos.
This is the actual documentation that was submitted to the Royal Commission:
WRITTEN LETTER TO BRIAN HOUSTON
Dear Mr. Houston,
Noticing your appearance under the banner “Excel in Honour” in a recent “on Being” Magazine I have been moved to write to you and convey my feelings to you about a matter that has disturbed for some time.
Some four years ago I approached you after a Church Service at Baulkham Hills as I (along with my family) was looking for a Church in which to settle. At that time I told you of a situation that had existed at our previous church (Christian City Church- Parramatta) whereby Gary Dench had been involved in a conspiracy with my husband among others to keep the sexual abuse of my son a secret from me. You at that time expressed doubt that such a thing could happen. Well, time, subsequent TV and media exposure, and the removal of Mr. Dench from C.C.C. has surely made you rethink your original attitude. The school of thought that we, the faithful should not criticize “God’s Annointed” (sic) is fine to a point. When that becomes a shield behind which church leaders hide their own sin – we should all speak out.
The Bible says to test all things and hang on to that which is good. Having had one bad experience with C.C.C. I now feel totally justified in checking and “testing” all things.
After attending your church and also several others before settling into a wonderful Church with leadership not arrogant about its own position I found (in a series) one pastor, with his hand in the Church finances too deeply (consequently sacked) one pastor confessing to me that he liked dressing in his wife’s underwear (good grief!) and yet another who admits to connections with organized crime to get the finances needed to build his “empire”. (All RESPECTABLE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES)
This has sent me on a mission determined to speak out wherever I feel it justified – as I too am part of God’s church and feel obliged to make sure that I am not part of a conspiracy to hide errors.
Now to the point. I have had grievance on my heart for a long time concerning an incident with you and I feel it needs to be cleared up in order that I may satisfy myself as to its reason.
On night while attending your service we were handed (at the front door) a brochure concerning “The Gideons” and their work. After reading about a plan whereby one could send money to the organization to purchase Bibles which would then be placed anywhere in the world (and bearing an inscription/dedication to a person of one’s choice) I decided it would be a wonderful way to commemorate a friend’s ordination to the ministry. I decided to purchase several Bibles and have them bear a dedication to my friend.
On examination I was unable to find an address on the brochure and approached you after the service to enquire about the address to send the money to. You showed little interest (surprising since it was your church giving out the brochure at the front door) and finally you personally (not one of your workers) took my money and my application and carelessly tossed it into a drawer near the front desk saying you’d pass it on after you found out where it was supposed to be sent. I must admit your lack of real interest in something you were promoting at your own church did ring a warning bell at the time but I passed it off as over-sensitivity on my part.
More disturbing Mr. Houston, is that the “Gideon’s” did not receive my application for four bibles nor do my friend receive the promised ordination gift. After four years I do not suppose I am premature in conceding that my money or application was never send (not is it probably still in the drawer).
I realize in your busy day it was probably not worth a pinch of salt to worry about following up and doing that which you had undertaken.
For me (and no doubt for the Gideon organization) it was considerably important.
At a time when my trust is pastors had been severely shaken I can assure you that in no way did you to anything to change that. ) Incidentally as a Mum, raising five children alone, money doesn’t come as easily to me as it obviously appeared to you as you haphazardly tossed it into a drawer.
This may seem unimportant to you but if I sit on it (as I have done) I feel it does neither me, nor you, any good purpose.
When Churches become big business machines and pastors more difficult to get an appointment with than Christ himself would have been, I feel unless someone speaks up no one benefits. Maybe it’s fine to have heaps of people coming forward to be “saved’ – but it’s also important to deliver what is promised. A loving, caring, HONEST church is the blueprint Christ left – please don’t get so self-important that you forget the Jesus who first called you.
Let me say that I am in NO WAY without sin – not at all – but none of us can afford to go without gentle correction here and there. I am aware of one instance when your off-hand attitude (flippant is perhaps more correct in the instance to which I am referring) turned someone “off” whom I had brought to church for the first time. We who have been through the mill hopefully look, past the persona, to the Shepherd but had your action to me been done to a person less familiar with the Christian Church, you may have been responsible for disillusioning them too.
I do not mean to offend – what you feel when you have this sort of complaint directed at you is your business and your relationship with God is your business.
But so is my relationship with God my business and it has been on my heart for a very great while to let you know how disturbed I was at the obvious “loss of my money”.
Perhaps now I have put the problem back onto your shoulders where it properly belongs you can be more alert not to let it happen again – (I hope so) and can be free too.
You and I and our fellow Christians should be better stewards of our Lord’s church.
Yours faithfully
Kerri Ferguson (signed)
WRITTEN LETTER TO KERRI FERGUSON
Dear Kerri,
Your letter was very sad, as you seem to be a very hurt and bitter person.
I am confident in my own heart that if you had related the story of your son to me that I would not forget it, yet I have no recollection at all of ever having been told these things before the exposure on national television. The other thing is that I have never had any jurisdiction over Gary Dench, nor the Christian City Church as a whole, and so you should have been speaking to his superiors, not to me.
I also am totally unaware of the other matters that you mention in your letter but I am sorry that you believe I have offended you.
Regarding money for bibles. Again I have nothing on my conscience but if you feel money is owed to you for ordered Gideon Bibles, please tell me the amount and I will forward it to you.
Incidentally, if you are insinuating that I may have pocketed this money, please be assured that that is offensive and inaccurate.
I pray God’s best for your life.
Brian Houston (signed)
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C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 3) Sex, Money, Power
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 4) Pringle regards pastors “gambling” worse than pastors defending a pedophile?
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 5) Phil Pringle’s leadership – an unresolved mess
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 6) C3 prophetically manipulating the abused into silence
C3 Parramatta Scandal (Part 7) Letter exposing Pringle covering up paedophilia & refusing to help victim
Hillsong Church Watch 
Here are some questions, that when answered should expose the heart of Brian Houston, the leadership of his church and the executive of the AOG/ACC .
Q1 Would Jesus molest a child?
A1 No
Q2 If a child was molested, would Jesus protect the victim or the perpetrator?
A2 Jesus would protect the child
Q3 If a child was molested in His Father’s name, would Jesus compensate the victim or protect the cash, assets & reputation of the perp/denomination?
A3 Jesus would compensate the victim.
Why then, do people continue to accept “leaders” that do exactly the opposite of what Jesus would do?
These Houstons and Pringles and the like are anti-christ in their actions and that should be enough evidence anyone needs to see by what spirit they operate.
Is it not ethically questionable to associate with these morally bankrupt “pastors” ? It amazes me that so many people listen to them. The followers must take some responsibility for poor moral discernment. All are corrupt not just the leaders.
When are people going to say…. “Enough is enough!” ??
The Body of Christ needs to stop accepting this type of immoral behavior. Where in the Bible does it say it is acceptable for a leader to behave in this manner? It doesn’t !!
Whoever accepts this and does not call for this ‘Christian leader’ to step down is completely guilty of partaking in the sins of this so called ‘ministry’.
An open letter of truth.
In an interview between Brian and Richo he said that the victim AHA pleaded with him (brian) to not report his father, Frank Houstons rape of me AHA. I catorgoractly rebuke this outright lie. I never pleaded, never begged Brian Houston not to go to the police. The one conversation I had with Brian was, where was the money that I was promised/pay off $$$? the $10,000 that Frank Houston had arranged for me to ‘go away’. In that conversation with Brian Houston he In fact told me this was my fault all of this happened, YOU TEMPTED MY FATHER. Remembering Pastor Frank William Houston repeatedly raped me at 7 years of age with Brian Houston in the next room. Frank was in his 50’s. Note to churchwatch. Make sure you get your facts right there was no MAYBE this is a plain fact. Re, RC CASE STUDY 18 AHA STATEMENT is very clear.
Hello Angels are watching,
We noticed that you wrote this,
“Make sure you get your facts right there was no MAYBE this is a plain fact. Re, RC CASE STUDY 18 AHA STATEMENT is very clear.”
We are sorry if we posted incorrect information in this article. Can you please point out where we went wrong?
Quote – it makes us wonder if he ACTUALLY did accuse AHA of leading his father on.
There is no reason to WONDER it was a simple statement of absolute truth. My credibility is not under question.
AHA, you are a true hero in my opinion.
Thank you for taking the stand at the Royal Commission and exposing these evil people for what they really are. It is a sad thing that people are so brainwashed that they can see no wrong in the Houstons but you know better than all just what a wicked brood of lying hypocrites they are. They have never and will never represent Jesus because Jesus would never do the things that they do.
You are better than them and I applaud your courage and thank you again for helping to expose these abusers. Every true Christian owes you a great debt.
I salute you!
AHA – thanks to your courage and strength and to the sites and blogs that have reported your plight I believe that there are many people supporting and praying for you. You have helped the whole cause of child sexual assault by taking the stand and you will probably never know the many children’s lives that will be affected now and in the future.
I never believed Brian’s claim that he didn’t accuse you of tempting his father. It’s a typical pattern of a paedophile protector relative and he is such a proven liar. And to hear another lie by Brian surface about his interaction with you is sickening. I hope and pray that you and the other victims get some real substantial justice for what was done to you and I”m sure that people will be pushing for it.
At best Houston’s “response” is a fake apology. http://lightshouse.org/lights-blog/false-apology-fake-apology-fauxpology
This is shameful! How in the world can this man consider himself a Christian leader?
How can the people who attend Hill$ong consider him a christian leader?
That is a greater shame.
He is a sinner just like you and me……
???????
“He is a sinner just like you and me……
???????”
Whoever you are, your comments are always nonsensical.
Also nobody said anyone is not a sinner. Where did you get that from? However the Bible in 1 Timothy clearly delineates there are HIGHER STANDARDS for Christian Leaders.
Furthermore, even to be considered a candidate for a Christian Leader, some persons are saved and therefore ARE candidates for a Christian Leader. On the other hand, other persons are NOT saved and therefore are NOT candidates for a Christian Leader. Since Brian Houston preaches a FALSE GOSPEL, he is NOT saved and therefore he is NOT EVEN A CANDIDATE for a Christian Leader.
I have looked at this site on and off for years. The amount of distortion, hate, bias and misrepresentation is dumbfounding. If you presented your case with some sort of balance you may come across as genuine. Unfortunately you come across as hateful and agenda driven with a massive distortion of the truth. There is nothing wrong with balanced criticism, unfortunately everything you write has a hateful sting in the tail and you rehash things from the past if there is no controversy that is current. This event happened decades ago and has been reported many times by your team. IMO you are using Christianity as an excuse to outwork you hatred for Brian and Hillsong. Hatred isn’t a good thing.
Hi David,
This issue is relevant since Hillsong covered their sins under the rug. This article goes to show that Brian Houston is still a wolf and a terrible liar.
I disagree It demonstrates that Brian made a mistake in not reporting to the Police. Brian has stated to Hillsong church that he made
a mistake also. At the time he did not want to undermine the victims request. It comes down to you believing AHA or Brian. Just because AHA has a different recollection to Brian’s does not automatically mean Brian is luring. Church watch claim this is proof and will ALLWAYS choose the other parties word over Brian’s and call him a liar. Which is wrong.
David – The Royal Commission states otherwise.
They found that “Mr Houston and the church’s executive team failed the victim, known as AHA, who was molested by Frank Houston for a number of years from the age of seven. When the allegations surfaced almost 30 years later in 1999, Mr Houston confronted his father, who admitted abusing AHA.
The commissioners found that Brian Houston, then national president of the Assemblies of God in Australia, did not inform authorities.
“We are satisfied that, in 1999 and 2000, Pastor Brian Houston and the National Executive of the Assemblies of God in Australia did not refer the allegations of child sexual abuse against Mr Frank Houston to the police,” the commissioners wrote in their report. The commission heard that Mr Houston suspended his father from the church but it was decided at a meeting of senior Assemblies of God members the allegation would be kept confidential and Frank Houston would be allowed to quietly retire without the reason being made public.”
“We consider that a conflict of interest first arose when Pastor Brian Houston decided to respond to the allegations by confronting his father while simultaneously maintaining his roles as National President (of the Assemblies of God in Australia) and Senior Pastor,” the commissioners found.
The report concluded that senior staff at the Assemblies of God failed to follow their own protocol regarding sexual abuse claims and did not support the victim.
“The commissioners express the view that the NSW executive failed to appoint a contact person for the complainant, interview the complainant, have the state or national executive interview the alleged perpetrator, or record any of the steps it took,” the commissioners wrote.
In his evidence, AHA said Frank Houston would come into his room “nearly every night of the week” and sexually molest him while staying with his family in 1970. AHA told the commission the abuse had “destroyed his childhood”, leaving him “full of shame, fear and embarrassment”.
The commission heard AHA was offered $10,000 in exchange for his signature on a dirty napkin at a meeting with Frank Houston and Hillsong Church elder Nabi Saleh at Thornleigh McDonalds in 2000.”
David, if you have information that refutes the Royal Commission’s findings, perhaps you had better let them know and clear Brian Houston’s name.
“Church watch claim this is proof and will ALLWAYS choose the other parties word over Brian’s and call him a liar. Which is wrong.”
What a mangling. Now the REAL situation:
Hillsong Cult Members ALWAYS choose Brian’s word over the scenario suggested by whatever the FACTS are. THAT is wrong.
The Hillsong cult members in fact will always exalt Brian Houston’s teachings above God’s Words.
Wrong the burden of proof is on church watch because church watch are making the claim. Brian is not making the accusations. You are making the claim about Brian’s dishonesty hence the burden of proof is on you. You argument is “Brian said this… and Joe (whoever) said something different, then claim
that is proof that Brian is a liar. It’s a joke. And you are making unfounded assumptions
about which church I attend which is typical.
Take it up with the Royal Commission David, they’ve already made their decision.
“Wrong the burden of proof is on church watch because church watch are making the claim.”
Wrong. The burden of proof is on Brian because he claims to hear from God and vicariously tells the world what ‘God is saying.’ That is a lie because Brian is claiming things Brian has never proven. (Brian is committing blasphemy.)
David, If you’re going to accuse someone of things like bias and misrepresentation it would be helpful if you provided some examples, otherwise you just come across as bitter and twisted and more importantly ranting without any facts to back up your allegations.
With regards to Brian Houston’s involvement in dealing with the victims of his father’s child abuse crimes, exactly what length of time do you think should pass before it’s no longer mentioned? Do you think the victims have long since forgotten and moved on? Do you really think Brian’s subsequent actions have been honourable towards the victims given his status in the church and assets directly under his control?
Here are some examples relating misrepresentations:
1. Your article on Darlene was misleading you painted her as a representative of Hillsong when she left the church years ago. You affiliated her with Hillsong never stating she had left.
2. You dishonestly implied Pat was a pastor at Hillsong when in fact he was fired 15 years ago for misconduct. The fact that he preached a single sermon at Hillsong London was your excuse to claim he was re indoctrinated as a Hillsong Pastor. Lie.
3.You have dishonestly tied Kong Hee to Brian in a vain attempt to associate Kong Hee with Brian. You are trying to associate Kong Hee’s mistakes with Brian in an attempt to portray guilt by association. Misleading.
3. If ever it’s someone’s word against Brian you will automatically call Brian a liar making the misleading assumption that Brian is the dishonest party.
4.Your current headline story another paedophile story is decades old and you present it as if it is brand new breaking news.
5. You are using an avowed atheist (Tanya Levin)to discredit Brian and accepting her words as truth against Brian’s.
This is just the tip of the ice berg any reasonable person would have to agree that your articles at times are misleading.
Furthermore, you say that “The amount of distortion, hate, bias and misrepresentation is dumbfounding”.
Try saying that to the woman who went to the Royal Commission with these documents and submitted the above written statement to the Royal Commission.
Would you level those accusations to the woman and would you be so bold to say to the Royal Commission that they are filled with “distortion, hate, bias and misrepresentation”?
You’re only proof that Hillsong creates so-called “Christians” that are more keen in defending psychopaths at the expense of their victims. It’s always about Brian – never the victims. It would be nice to see Hillsong apologists show compassion to those abused by the Hillsong cult.
“Try saying that to the woman who went to the Royal Commission with these documents and submitted the above written statement to the Royal Commission”
I’m not making the accusation against her I’m making the accusation against Hillsong Church watch.
Would you level those accusations to the woman and would you be so bold to say to the Royal Commission that they are filled with “distortion, hate, bias and misrepresentation”?
No I would not level those accusations at the women I have made the accusations against Churchwatch. Although the abuse which I will ad was demonic and shocking happened at C3 NOT Hillsong you are trying to malign Brian through guilt by association. Brian’s only role in this was her claim that she asked him for help, and after 30 years and speaking 100’s of thousands after services he does not recollect the conversation. It’s shocking that this happened at C3 and you are painting it as Hillsong scandal. And of course because her word conflicts Brian’s as usual he is the guilty party.
You’re only proof that Hillsong creates so-called “Christians” that are more keen in defending psychopaths at the expense of their victims. It’s always about Brian – never the victims. It would be nice to see Hillsong apologists show compassion to those abused by the Hillsong cult.
Your assuming which church I attend with no foundation(typical). This happened at C3 church not Hillsong that is the point you constantly try to associate everything with Brian through some form of guilt by association. Example Brian and Phil are friends and Phil is friends with Kong Hee. Because Brian is friends with Phil it means Brian is responsible for everything Kong Hee does. Kong Hee stuffed up now let’s make it a Hillsong scandal. Let’s try and reverse engineer this story and make look like a Hillsong scandal.
“Although the abuse which I will ad was demonic and shocking happened at C3 NOT Hillsong you are trying to malign Brian through guilt by association.”
1. The fact that Brian Houston and Phil Pringle are close friends and the fact that Brian Houston could have contacted Pringle to deal with this “demonic” activity says a lot about his character. Don’t you think?
Why did he not pray for her? Why did he not point her to a counsellor? Why be so cold and harsh to her?
“Brian’s only role in this was her claim that she asked him for help, and after 30 years and speaking 100’s of thousands after services he does not recollect the conversation.”
The fact that he said he didn’t recall the meeting but then recalled issues discussed in that meeting proves he did recall the meeting and lied to her so he didn’t have to deal with the issues.
“It’s shocking that this happened at C3 and you are painting it as Hillsong scandal. And of course because her word conflicts Brian’s as usual he is the guilty party.”
He is guilty because his own words revealed he lied to her. And the fact that she is a victimcof abuse and he had the audacity to condemn her as a “bitter” woman once again shows he is nothing but a wolf who cares only for himself. A pastor/shepherd emanate the life of the sacrificial lamb.
He is guilty of not helping a woman who was caught in a paedophile scandal that involved one of his closest friends. He was clearly exposed of playing the “convenient memory-loss” card which he also played when it came to the AHA case back in 1999-2002.
And you bring in Kong Hee.
Brian Houston is GUILTY of endorsing and praising Kong Hee while Kong Hee was being exposed of various immoral conducts in court. It was not smart of Brian Houston to show us his hand in this – otherwise no connection could be made. And it only confirms that Pringle’s Presence Conference 2014 used Houston to help validate Pringle’s ministry to help validate Kong Hee’s ministry. We’ve been around long enough to learn how these wolves work. They tow the party line by praising others in their own wolf pack so people like yourself fall for their fraudulent claims.
What else do you want to accuse us of David? Is the truth that hard for you to notice when it is presented in cold, hard concrete facts? Why do you exalt these men above the Truth of God’s Word?
What do you have to gain in defending these men at the expense of your so-called Christian faith?
“Let’s try and reverse engineer this story and make look like a Hillsong scandal…..”
Similar to how you yourself David reverse engineer the bogus hillsong ‘ministry’ and try to doctor it up and make it look like they’re Christian?
I can’t comment on certain posts because you guys limit reply’s after a certain point. It mean you get the last word and I have no recourse to respond. This is not an accusation it just means I’m limited in terms of further responses.
“I have looked at this site on and off for years. The amount of distortion, hate, bias and misrepresentation is dumbfounding.”
David…. You’re braindead.
Well done calling me “Braindead” that will achieve alot
Perhaps you should be responding to Apollo’s question David.
“Tell us ‘David’, was the truth presented by witnesses at the Royal Commission distorted and biased? If so, then it seems that those who hosted the commission were otherwise persuaded.”
“I have looked at this site on and off for years. The amount of distortion, hate, bias and misrepresentation is dumbfounding. If you presented your case with some sort of balance you may come across as genuine. Unfortunately you come across as hateful and agenda driven with a massive distortion of the truth.”
Tell us ‘David’, was the truth presented by witnesses at the Royal Commission distorted and biased? If so, then it seems that those who hosted the commission were otherwise persuaded.
Houston and his ‘cronies’ may well have to face serious charges in court on criminal matters one day soon, as recommended by the legal council assisting the commission. Was his view also distorted and biased???
As far as a ‘hateful, agenda driven’ website goes, I’d have to dispute that notion too. While a few who post here may exhibit those tendencies, by far the majority appear to have a balanced approach. If they seem a bit too ‘strong’ in their opinions for your liking, it is usually because they have seen the carnage of, and/or been the past victims of, false prophets such as Houstin, Hill$ong and company.
Some may never recover…
“Tell us ‘David’, was the truth presented by witnesses at the Royal Commission distorted and biased? If so, then it seems that those who hosted the commission were otherwise persuade”
The facts are Brian had different recollection of events to the witness. This does not give me the wright to claim the witness is a liar and does give me the right to claim Brian is a liar. It happened along time ago and either party could be lying or time has messed up there recollections and so on. Now, if a wrote a headline story claiming AHA is a proven lair because he contradics Brian you would be angry and have all the authority to be angry, this is exactly what you have done with Brian.
Houston and his ‘cronies’ may well have to face serious charges in court on criminal matters one day soon, as recommended by the legal council assisting the commission. Was his view also distorted and biased???
He might be biased he may be atheist who hates religion for all I know but the facts are I have no idea and neither do you. I think you will find no serious charges will be laid, that little fairytale has long passed. The institution did NOT accuse Brian of being a liar as you have, the central accusation is that he should have reported it to police. Brian agrees he made a mistake based on the information and advice he had at the time.
As far as a ‘hateful, agenda driven’ website goes, I’d have to dispute that notion too. While a few who post here may exhibit those tendencies, by far the majority appear to have a balanced approach. If they seem a bit too ‘strong’ in their opinions for your liking, it is usually because they have seen the carnage of, and/or been the past victims of, false prophets such as Houstin, Hill$ong and company.
Some may never recover…
IMO there will be people who say they have had a negative impact from attending Hillsong this happens in every church, considering Hillsong’s size relative to other churches I’ surprised there are not more. I think you will find that there are millions of people who attest to positive impact of Hillsong far more than the negative. I have pointed out many of the misleading stories from your team and the reasons why and no one from your team has responded.
Why do you assume we don’t know the facts, David? Sincere question.
“Unfortunately you come across as hateful and agenda driven with a massive distortion of the truth.”
As if Brian Houston does not distort the truth of the Gospel into his own prosperity agenda? Come on.
“unfortunately everything you write has a hateful sting in the tail”
Yet the media is writing many of the same things, as well as the courts, and the Royal Commission. So much for your bogus ‘hateful sting’ concept.
“you rehash things from the past if there is no controversy that is current.”
You wait until HCW’s current articles are a couple weeks old, to make your point? Ridiculous. And by the way, the Royal Commission thing is not necessarily over yet.
“This event happened decades ago and has been reported many times by your team.”
So what? Does time invalidate the evil that occurred? The Bible points out wickedness that’s thousands of years older than the news here… And it’s NOT over for the victims.
“IMO you are using Christianity as an excuse to outwork you hatred for Brian and Hillsong.”
As if Brian Houston isn’t using Christianity as an excuse to get rich. Get real man.
If by “the event that happened decades ago” you are referring to paedophilia, then let me assure you that the damage caused by this “event” is a “life sentence” for the victim. Educate yourself about the long term effects of child sexual abuse! And imagine how you would feel if it were yourself or your child.
To say that I hate what Brian Houston has done is an understatement. Because of evil, selfish grubs like him and Archbishop Philip Wilson who have covered up for known serial paedophiles more and more children have become victims and have also been denied the justice that would have been afforded them if their abusers had been brought before the courts.
The Royal Commission has brought about a day of reckoning for enablers like Houston. The sex offences may have happened years ago but the boot is on the other foot now and its about to start kicking. Brian Houston is no longer safe because he and others like him have been outed by the Royal Commission. Eventually, he too will be charged and brought before the courts.
If Houston was honest, he would have handed his paedo dad into the police for the punishment that his crimes deserved. He and his cronies who appeared at the Royal Commission with him are the enemies of the victims and need to be treated as harshly as the perpetrators themselves.
Houston, Wilson and those like them, those who protect monsters, need some serious gaol time and not this mamby pamby insider story tripe.
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We have been reviewing over the last few days. Looks like Channel 9 got lazy and just ran with a Hillsong-prepared media package.
It’s immoral, lazy journalism.
haha. In other words, it was positive. And this goes against the hillsongwatcher crowd who insist that everyone hates Hillsong. They love to rave on about how negative TV coverage proves how bad they are. But, people who watched this show wouldn’t have thought so at all.
Hillsong wins.
Church watchers lose! lol
Stay tuned for the increasing popularity of Brian Houston and Hillsong.
hey what’s that? Oh just the sound of gnashing of teeth and church watchers smashing the computer desks…..
God bless Hillsong. Praise the Lord. What a great TV show. I just love Brian and Bobbie.
Craig says “Stay tuned for the increasing popularity of Brian Houston and Hillsong”.
We have never doubted their popularity, Graig. It’s the uplifting of Christ that’s missing from your observation, just saying.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Brian Houston and Hillsong’s biggest problem? Their followers.
Brian’s popularity will only increase around child molesters because he protects them.
Anyone who knows about the Frank Houston multiple child sex offences and continues to support Brian supports what he has done.
“Stay tuned for the increasing popularity of Brian Houston and Hillsong.”
Yeah, stay tuned for the increasing popularity of Hillsong’s message praising worldliness & the antichrist.
“I just love Brian and Bobbie.”
All the people who will end up in Hell because of Brian and Bobbie’s false gospel will one day hate them way more than you “just love” them.
this video i saw on the hillsong website and youtube goes into detail about the child abuse.
The evidence that surfaced at the Royal Commission tells a very different story.
Hillsong are lying publicly in the media to save their public image.
“Hillsong are lying publicly in the media to save their public image.”
When will churchgoers and the general public ever learn to STOP putting their trust in brian houston and hillsong.
Just because they have a “church” front, that shouldn’t make their lies more palatable than anyone else’s.
” It’s the uplifting of Christ that’s missing from your observation,”
I didn’t see any uplifting of Christ in this article. Just more attacks on Christ’s body. Accusations against the Elect. Dissing of Christ’s bride.
Okay, uplifting.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Would you like a list of Hillsong songs that uplift Christ?
Would you like some testimonies of young people in Australia, the UK, the US who never went to church and now praise and worship God, and tell people about Christ?
Would you like some photos of people with hands lifting up singing about Christ?
Would you like some videos of young people who had NEVER been to a church who now are reading their bibles?
Would you like some stories about people once on drugs who now tell others about Jesus?
Would you like to watch a video of totally unchurched people getting baptised?
Would you like to hear people in the body of Christ talk about how blessed they are with Hillsong worship songs?
Did you know that Hillsong United sings and leads worship at Franklin Graham crusades?
Oh let me guess, that makes Franklin bad too???
Maybe you can start a franklingrahamwatch website?
A rickwarrenwatch website?
One of your “people” recently even dissed John Piper. Why? Because he shared the stage with some other person you don’t like who doesn’t hate Hillsong??
Okay, a johnpiperwatch website?
Instead of attacking Hillsong, why don’t you just list the people in the world you don’t hate.
This site is totally ridiculous. You are fighting for the enemy!
Praise the Name of Jesus. Let’s all join with Rick Warren, John Piper, Franklin Graham and Hillsong and worship the Lord and proclaim the wonderful love of God.
Jesus died on the cross.
John 3:16!
By the way, those of you new to this site might like to know that the people who run this site, don’t think the whosoever in John 3:16 includes some people who God has predestined to hell.
Think about that the next time a new anti-Hillsong article comes up.
So tell us Craig, any thoughts or comments about Kerrie Ferguson and her experience with Brian Houston. Just to stay on topic.
Craig: Perhaps you should present yourself to the Royal Commission and refute Kerrie’s testimony? You appear to be the perfect character witness for Brian Houston and Hillsong, and you obviously have some insider knowledge as to the true facts. Therefore aren’t you morally obligated to reveal such information to the Royal Commission?
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Craig,
MANY will say to me on that day ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name caste out demons, and in your name perform many miracles?
And then I will declare to them, ‘I NEVER knew you; depart from me you who practce lawlessness’. Matt.7 v21-23
It’s not about outward appearances and spectacular works Craig. Notice he said MANY and the scripture points out that their works are miraculous and would obviously woo the masses.
Jesus tells us to watch out and not get sucked into spectacular works. It doesn’t prove ANYTHING .
“A rickwarrenwatch website?”
That’s not a bad idea. Hopefully it is in the works.
“One of your “people” recently even dissed John Piper.”
@Craig,
By “your people”, you must mean all those here who know the Bible far better than you and “your people” Brian Houston & the Hillsong Anti-Bible crowd….
This website only approves comments that the moderator agrees to.
Yet another reason why this site needs to lift it’s game.
Approve all comments not just the ones that suit your agenda.
Comments that don’t get approved are usually off-topic or obvious trolls (and yes, they’re easily recognised)
“Approve all comments”
Like those where the “guests” curse at the regulars here. I don’t think so.
“Yet another reason why this site needs to lift it’s game.”
Speaking about lifting one’s game, it looks like your game could use some lifting Fred. What are you doing to lift your game?
You didn’t respond in Feedback section; if somehow you missed it I have cut-and-pasted it here.
P.S. just noticed name “Fred” while reading recent comments https://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2015/12/17/hillsong-from-silent-night-to-sordid-night/#comment-26469
“You are dribbling Jacky Jacky. Do you need a tissue?”
“Jacky Jacky not only are you rude, but your mother also dresses you funny.”
“Get a reality check Jacky Jacky and go and share your faith with some gay people at your local gay nightclub instead of being a self righteous keyboard warrior dribbling through your cocopops.”
Was that entry from yourself or from a troll who somehow got hold of your email address and password?
It’s Fred.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch
Fair enough, you haven’t been able to show me the bible verses where God or Jesus instructs us to “make fun of, pick on, degrade and stupefy other humans beings.”
I rest my case.
https://hillsongchurchwatch.com/feedback/#comment-26451
“You are dribbling Jacky Jacky. Do you need a tissue?”
“Jacky Jacky not only are you rude, but your mother also dresses you funny.”
“Get a reality check Jacky Jacky and go and share your faith with some gay people at your local gay nightclub instead of being a self righteous keyboard warrior dribbling through your cocopops.”
Hypocrite.
Fred, if you’re on the side of paedophiles and paedophile protectors, let me tell you, YOUR GAME IS WAY, WAY out of wack.!
If that’s where you’re standing FRed you’re on very dangerous ground. Do you really think God is on the side of those devils? No he’s on the side of poor raped children and those who support them. Fred wake up and lift your game!
Amen! we can’t tread light about these subjects, we must tell it exactly like it is!
Hillswrong is convincing too many believers to lower their standards and accept the unthinkable.
There seems to be a wide gap between what Brian Houston says he believes and what the man actually does.
Whenever Brian Houston’s true colors come out, integrity seems to be entirely absent.
its seems so many people are taken in by the Hillsong brand, the Hillsong Channel. Hillsong TV 24 hours 7 days a week is going to happen soon.
plus many new Hillsong churches in Darwin, Zurich, Newcastle UK. theres no stopping these people.
http://hillsong.com/channel
the question is will the victims be able to recover and pick up theirs lives from all this mess.
Yeah – it’s a slick business franchise- like Gloria jeans or mcdonalds They’ve honed the formula to perfection; their product is religion and they know how to attract people and how to get their money. And now all they have to do is keep duplicating the model – then sit back and wait till all the $$money$$ pours in.
Actually Hillsong is a far superior business model to GJ and Maccas- actually it’s a business man’s dream machine ! Get this: you don’t have to pay your workers wages! -and the workers actually pay YOU!! (The tithe). Not only that, but all the money that comes in is TAX free!! Now that is some business. it’s a no fail system certain to bring the money in.
Yes it’s fantastic isn’t it. Clearly God is blessing
Hillsong and Brian, I hope they continue to open churches the world over. I also pray they
continue to raise millions for his Kingdom.
Typical prosperity gospel response – “blessing” seen as a sign of God’s approval.
“I hope they continue to open churches the world over.”
Correction: you mean stealing members from real Christian churches.
“I also pray they continue to raise millions for his Kingdom.”
Correction: you mean stealing from the Body of Christ and from the poor, and lining the pockets of Brian & Bobbie.
David,
Yes MONEY, MONEY,MONEY! Yes that’s what it’s about for you guys! I think the name is MAMMON!
WHERE ARE MY COMMENTS??????????
This place is rigged.
I doubt this comment gets approved either…..
Seriously? Ok, readers, who sees Fred’s comments? And in the interest of full disclosure, Fred’s comments and those of others ARE moderated before approval as some of them are way off topic.
“WHERE ARE MY COMMENTS??????????”
What a selfish nerd.
@ Doggie – can you see any of Fred’s comments? He claims they’re not there.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
‘What a selfish nerd’
What a rigged website.
Just approve what suits you guys. That’s what it says in the bible huh?
“@ Doggie – can you see any of Fred’s comments? He claims they’re not there.”
This “Fred” has always made a lot of claims.
None of which has ever proven to be true.
“@ Doggie – can you see any of Fred’s comments? He claims they’re not there.”
Furthermore, this “Fred” appears to have many personal problems.
Time and time again I have written and submitted comments and they never get approved.
It’s a one sided story on this blog.
“We would like to be factual as we can on HillsongChurchWatch. If there is any information on HillsongChurchWatch that you think is not accurate, please contact c3churchwatch@hotmail.com. All constructive criticism will be appreciated.”
Big fat lie.
As factual as we can? Rubbish. Only allow the comments that suit your agenda.
Please show us a bible verse that says this is the right behaviour?
This comment won’t get approved either.
There you go, Fred. Now off you go, troll.
What about the other one with the links?
Didn’t think they would come through. Exposes too much truth about this website.
Come on seriously.
You can’t keep hammering Hillsong when you don’t want to be held accountable yourself.
Have the guts to show your names and faces if you really ‘care’ so much about the lost at Hillsong and exposing the lies.
Otherwise your website is just a ‘whisp of fog’.
So you think we’re accountable to the “dark side”, (i.e. Facelift, just one of his many, many aliases) Fred? You’re welcome to beat that “drum” of yours over there. 🙂
“HAVE THE GUTS to show your names and faces if you really ‘care’ so much about the lost at Hillsong and exposing the lies.”
Giving your identity has nothing to do with anything.
Fred the Coward himself didn’t “HAVE THE GUTS” to give his own name / face. Fred has been the biggest Hypocrite of all.
Fred reminds one of his also-hypocritical cult leader brian houston telling ben mccormack to “HAVE THE GUTS” to go get a coffee without bringing a camera. Like father, like son. Two hysterically funny Hypocrites. Two of a kind that don’t understand scripture (much less abide by any obviously), yet try to instruct everyone else on how to live biblically!
“Otherwise your website is just a ‘whisp of fog’.”
Actually Fred, your posts are just a “whisp of hot air.”
How dare you talk about other Christians in this manner. This blog is appalling.
We are supposed to be one big family and you guys are so disrespectful.
I tithe 20% every week to Hillsong because Bobbie asks me to. It is doing great things unlike this blog.
“I tithe 20% every week to Hillsong because Bobbie asks me to.”
Why?
“How dare you talk about other Christians in this manner. This blog is appalling.
We are supposed to be one big family and you guys are so disrespectful.
I tithe 20% every week to Hillsong because Bobbie asks me to. It is doing great things unlike this blog.”
Tithing 20% to Hillsong is like foolishly handing money over to the Devil.
You should be typing “because “I CHOOSE to tithe 20%” instead of “because Bobbie asks me to”!!!! And Christians are siblings of other Christians, not people who claim to be Christians (but their conduct and beliefs prove otherwise).
Jesus said “if you love me, keep MY commandments” (John 14:15).
1. Jesus’s own commandments, not another person’s, or group/s’, or church/es’.
2. Since Jesus is second person of the Trinity, His commandments are from Old AND New Testament.
3. Keep – present tense, not past or future tense.
Not once, not sometimes, not when it suits you/ impresses other people, keep always.
Does Hillsong teach and keep all the commandments- including what the unsaved world hates to hear -not just what fills the offering plate/ church’s bank balance?
e.g. Does Hillsong preach what the following passages say?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-11&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+6%3A14-18&version=KJV
Or does Hillsong blow raspberries and call bible-believing Christians “intellectual Pharisees”, “trolls”, and most up-to-date insulting label that Hillsongees also use?
e.g. at end of blog entry see Brian Houston’s response to correction RE Houston’s no theological knowledge of heresy! http://pulpitandpen.org/2014/09/18/pp-transcript-brian-houston-asks-if-modalism-is-a-made-up-word/
Does Hillsong resort to attempted guilt trips on Christians who do not condone/ tolerate UNREPENTED sin in other self-proclaimed Christians e.g. Hillsong church still seems to have engaged GAY couple attending despite media coverage? https://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2016/02/10/broadwayfiances-to-become-hillsonghusbands/
Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5 for yourself Samantha. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+5&version=KJV
Would Hillsong be praised for letting a homosexual couple remain in their midst when the Corinthian church was so strongly rebuked by the apostle Paul for letting a self-proclaimed Christian sleeping with his MIL stay in their church?
Why should other Christians remain quiet when they see a (supposedly Christian) Church tolerating false converts/ unrepentant sinners and potentially leading many other people astray?!!
Why do people like yourself think that telling the truth is hateful? Do you consider it loving to tell lies?
Thinker – we’ve noticed your comments are automatically going into moderation. It’s probably because of the attached links. It’s better to post only one at a time. We really appreciate your comments, they’re always very respectful, thoughtful and biblical.
No worries. I thought that was happening even with no links though!
Don’t know why that’s happening Thinker. But we check regularly so keep up the good posts.
You guys bite easily
Hi Samantha – can you give some in-context scriptures where tithing is required of the New Testament believer? If you CHOOSE to give 10-20% each week that’s your prerogative but it’s not necessary and certainly no guarantee of “blessing”.
“You guys bite easily”
Can’t let pure stupidity go unnoticed.
Bobbie says 20%
You’re a troll “Samantha” – your other comments didn’t get through. Shame on you, get your own site.
Passages for a troll to read: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+6:16-19
Note verses 20 and 24. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+6:16-19
“Samantha” is Fred. As if there aren’t enough gender issues troubling the church today. But Fred is also a troll, so thanks for those scriptures, Thinker.
So Fred/ Samantha also masquerades as new commenter/s in addition to name-calling, hypocritical corrections and calling for other people using nicknames and non de plumes (like myself) to identify themselves….
do online Hillsong supporters have any idea of what a poor PR job they are doing for Hillsong? Do any of them have any emotional maturity at all?!!!! Teenagers have an excuse, the mentally challenged have an excuse for such foolish words online… intellectually competent, adult Christians NEVER have an excuse.
(Holy) Spirit-filled Christians are supposed to have self-control. No wonder the world mocks Hillsongees if their behaviour online is any indication of what they’re like in person.
Thinker – Samantha/Fred has aligned himself with another site whose author is a well-known apologist for all things C3, Hillsong, WOF, you name and claim it, he’s endorsing it. This same site author has used numerous IP addresses for years on various sites, and is a serious cyber-bully. Now it seems Samantha?Fred has been given some “inside info” on how to attack/spam this site. Not surprised, it’s lonely over there in cyber space when no one really pays attention anymore.
Interesting how they claim to love Christ and His church but seem to despise those who have found themselves drawn out of these false movements by the Holy Spirit. Despise those who want to warn others, even when scripture (Jude 1-25)says they are to.
Are we wrong to think they hate the work of the Holy Spirit in doing this for His beloved sheep?
Of course they hate the work of the Holy Spirit. Christians who prefer lies to truth will reject Him and embrace another “spirit”, especially when words are seductive and pleasant like the woman in Proverbs chapter 7.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+7&version=KJV.
It’s hard enough for many Christians to see there’s spiritual deception “in action” when obvious examples pointed out to them e.g. footage on youtube “Kundalini Warning ” (Andrew Strom).
It’s even harder to convince people there’s spiritual deception “in words”, using our own words. That’s why I make a concerted effort when communicating online with people who claim to be Christians to show them exactly what the bible says on the matter. A true Christian may reflexively reject those words at first, but if they are a child of God the Holy Spirit will bring those bible verse/s to remembrance and they’ll eventually repent.
A fake/ almost Christian will do whatever they need to reject the truth. The least educated will probably just “forget on purpose” and call names when “meanies” hit a nerve. The highly educated ones will play “Twister” with bible verses until up becomes down, night becomes day etc.
I actually visited the blog of the person i think you’re referring to several days ago. I quickly skimmed and then shook my head. It brought back memories of my “too curious for my own good” days. It was a book that had recorded messages received from a series of seances from early 20th century. Back then lots of bible verses almost in context were needed to convince listeners they were hearing from “good spirits”. They must have had a real Christian upbringing to need that to ease their conscience somewhat.
Now in the 21st century it seems any positive-sounding message no matter how unrelated, if they’re being used in a positive matter it must be from the Holy Spirit and we must not question the speaker, even when the speaker/s’ history, conduct and associates are highly questionable. Early 20th century seance attendees had more discernment than most 21st century Christians today. Now THAT’S tragic.
Thinker – that site is a ‘black hole’ that sucks in anything (or anyone i.e. Fred aka Samantha) drifting too close to its edges – easily ‘gathering mass from the dust and gas around them, material that is plentiful.’ Sad but true, these folk are addicted to experiences and mysticism, easily sucked in. It’s a black hole that pulls people into a well-refuted false theology, but, praise God, a false theology gradually losing control over the hearts and minds of our Lord’s precious sheep as He takes the scales off their eyes.
Are those who want to stay ever truly His? That black hole a foretaste of a very dark eternity? Another spirit?
Definitely.
Matthew 7:22-23 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 2″And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
That site’s author must be quivering with excitement to be getting some attention here so now we go back to just ignoring him.
Just noticed second link was incorrect. Note verses 20-24 of ” walk according to the Spirit, not according to the flesh” passage.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5%3A16-26&version=KJV
It was obvious from the gitgo you aren’t capable of having any serious conversations at all. You are just another example in the long line of them constantly at the door here further proving the frivolousness of the Hillsong mindset.
Samantha, you are proof that brainwashed Hillsong members would rather not think at all, you let Brian Houston do all your thinking for you.
Samantha is a troll – he/she is using various IP addresses and names to comment here. The tithe comment was a ruse.
“Samantha is a troll – he/she is using various IP addresses and names to comment here. The tithe comment was a ruse.”
Which should prove to all that Hillsong is not a true Christian church. The fact that Hillsong cult devotees feel that much pressure they must provide various sorts of trickery just to prop up their fake mothership ministry, it all further shows their foundation is built on lies.
This particular troll hates to see people set free from false teachers and false movements. This particular troll has their own agenda.
“hehe”
And Hillsong cult devotees also consistently exhibit their common level of immaturity.
Brian Houston has been an opportunist who has capitalized on impressionable youth that he realizes do not yet have the level of spiritual nor mental maturity to recognize a fake pastor.
You are presuming Samantha was a troll against Churchwatch when she may have been a troll against Hillsong supporting your agenda. Her comment ‘because Bobbie asked me to” is very suspicious.
And because someone trolls let’s paint the entire Hillsong church with the same brush. You are reaching….
We know exactly who “Samantha” is, David. And “she’s” a “he.”.
And this troll is definitely against our sites.
And like I just said David, the fact that Hillsong cult devotees (such as yourself) feel that much pressure they (you) must provide various sorts of trickery just to prop up their (your) fake mothership ministry, it all further shows their (your) foundation is built on lies.
B.Layeckmeyer – in all fairness we don’t assume David attends Hillsong, neither should you unless he says he does.
Churchwatcher, fair enough. I will agree to that.
Compare our IP address before making accusations. I can assure you I am no Samantha.
The comment wasn’t addressed to you David, it was addressed to the troll “Samantha”.
No worries..
I have a story for you guys. 10 years ago Brian was photographed wearing CK blue socks. Now, I have been told OJ Simpson was seen wearing the same type of socks (although they were dark blue and Brian’s were light blue) about a year ago. Let’s do Hillsong scandal story with the headline “Hillsong scandal Brian Houston implicated in OJ Simpson murder against Nicole Brown” then we can explain because they were wearing similar socks it proves Brian was culpable in the murder of Nicole Brown. This is perfect and has so much credibility like all our stories.
David, the “victim” comments here on this site. Perhaps you should be aware of that?
This is tongue and cheek and is not directed at the victim in any way shape or form. It’s directed at my view that I have made in the past that your stories are at times reaching in there implication of Brian’s association or guilt.
Perhaps because the guilt by association is very telling. A lot of Brian’s responses really come down to a lack of biblical integrity. We recommend you listen to some sermon reviews over at “Fighting For The Faith”
http://www.piratechristian.com/search?q=brian%20houston&f_collectionId=55de6923e4b0316f2d24335c
I am well aware of Chris and his website I’m also aware of the fact both Chris and CW have taken Tanya’s word (an avowed atheist) and used it to attack Hillsong. I will say I appreciate you letting me post I thought I would be cast aside.
I think any preacher who has preached thousands of times over a 30 year period will regret some of things they have said, it makes it harder when everything you say has been recorded.
All preachers make mistakes including Chris Rosenburg.
Chris Rosebrough would be the first to admit that David. He does warn people to listen to him “with an open bible, not an open heart”.
He has interviewed Tanya and is well aware of her atheism, but has it ever occurred to you (and others) that our response (and Chris’) to Tanya just might win her to Christ? Do you seriously think that Brian Houston’s treatment of her will win her? There is so much you don’t know going on behind the scenes.
I think there are better ways of winning Tanya to Christ that ganging up with another critic to attack one of the leading Christian ministries on the planet. I’m sure there are other ways of witnessing.
I don’t think Brian’s treatment of Tanya is wrong, from his world view anything he has said to her has been taken out of context. Many Hillsong attendees have held an olive branch to her over the years is just difficult dealing with someone who write’s books in an attempt to destroy your ministry. Look I have been around for a long time don’t mistake me as deluded blind follower of HS.
It’s my opinion that if Brian tried to reach out to her it would be used against him.
“CW have taken Tanya’s word (an avowed atheist) and used it to attack Hillsong”
This “avowed atheist” is more valid than any of Hillsong’s leadership considering she is more concerned about the Christian faith, the bible and the Christian gospel than Brian Houston. How come she can see through Hillsong’s bible twisting but not Hillsong Apologists?
You need to read this:
https://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2015/07/18/the-livelovelead-society-versus-the-bible-wielding-tanya-levin-over-the-moles-hillsong/
Ah David…. at last perhaps a truthful explanation as why Brian Houston doesn’t adhere to the Bible’s instructions in relation to how one should behave if one knows a brother has something against him! You say that in your opinion “if Brian tried to reach out to her it would be used against him”. My Bible must be missing some verses somewhere as I don’t have that as an escape clause in my copy. Are you seriously using “cowardice” and fear” as an excuse to disobey the Bible instructions? Interesting. That is the way the world operates David and NOT the way Christians should operate. Tanya’s response or what may eventuate should not be any of Brian’s concern… all he is required to do is what God instructs.
“I think any preacher who has preached thousands of times over a 30 year period will regret some of things they have said, it makes it harder when everything you say has been recorded.
All preachers make mistakes including Chris Rosenburg.”
The problem with your line of reasoning is… Brian Houston has no history of producing biblical sermons. None whatsoever.
But Chris Rosebrough is capable of producing biblical sermons, does so, and often.
See the difference??
Chapstiche – Like this? Brilliant!
“The problem with your line of reasoning is… Brian Houston has no history of producing biblical sermons. None whatsoever”
So your telling me that after 40 years of preaching 4,5,6 sermons a week and building one of the largest church’s on the planet Brian has not once preached a biblical sermon? Tell me have you witnessed every single one of Brian’s sermon’s?
Did see all of his sermon’s prior to being on HS TV every week?
IMO you making a judgement based on sermon’s you have not witnessed, making assumptions about sermon’s you have not seen.
“So your telling me that after 40 years of preaching 4,5,6 sermons a week and building one of the largest church’s on the planet Brian has not once preached a biblical sermon? Tell me have you witnessed every single one of Brian’s sermon’s?
Did see all of his sermon’s prior to being on HS TV every week?”
He can brag about his works before Jesus Christ Himself. We’re still looking for a Christian sermon from Brian, David… Help us out. Give us a “biblical” sermon from Brian Houston and we’ll show you a self-help guru spouting lies and his own ideas rather than the teachings of God.
“I am well aware of Chris and his website I’m also aware of the fact both Chris and CW have taken Tanya’s word (an avowed atheist) and used it to attack Hillsong”
Are you saying that Tanya Levin is a liar?
“Perhaps because the guilt by association is very telling”
I disagree I think an association is just that an association. I have an old friend who wrote a death threat to someone and was arrested, I was completely dumbfounded. By your argument I can be accused of something similar due to my association.
Association and guilt are completely different IMO.
I should have put air quotes – “guilt by association”. I’m waiting for someone to respond to your comments David, that someone being better able to respond to ALL your thought processes, that person being the victim.
Please don’t involve the victim in responding to my points. I don’t fee comfortable engaging with someone who has to discuss such a painful experience, and don’t want them to drag all that up. Thanks.
She would rather be fairly heard David.
Look even if she told me the story and I have no reason to doubt her honesty it will not change my view. I honestly have no problem with Brian’s account that he honestly has no recollection. Every week after church (more so in the past) he has conversations with many people every week after most sermons. That’s 6,240 services over a thirty year period. It does not seem unreasonable that he does not recall that particular conversation.
I’m beginning to think that with some extremely brainwashed (over 10 years) cult members only divine intervention can make the scales fall from their eyes. ( like what happened with me). No amount of disgusting behaviour affects their blind loyalty apparently.
David, I am unable to allow your comments regarding the matters that pertain to me go unchallenged. I therefore will deal with them one by one.
I intend to do so as courteously as possible and with the hope that you will attempt to be objective in this matter. And I have NO connection with churchwatch other than the fact that I have posted here from time to time and the fact that moderators have seen fit to expose the story of what happened to my family as a result of these mega-church frauds. And yes, David, they are frauds. That is not said with malice or spite but is simply the fact of the matter, and I use the word, let’s be quite clear, as a synonym for pretender, hoodwinker, fake or someone who uses deceit in his/her dealings. I stand by all those definitions when it comes to many of these mega-church leaders.
1. You say, “This event happened decades ago and has been reported many times by your team”. Perhaps it would be appropriate, David, in the spirit of greater understanding, if you would specifically state how much time must pass before the statute of limitations runs out on any sin. You see, there is no such reference in my Bible to a statute of limitations on ANY sin. Sin only is null and voided by REPENTANCE and the Saving Grace of our precious Lord which flows to us from His work on the Cross.
Time does not null and void sin and if that is what Brian Houston is teaching at Hillsong I suggest you get out of there as quickly as your legs can carry you! It raises the question in my mind as to whether this is actually YOUR opinion or one you have gleaned from Brian Houston himself. Surely if Brian Houston EVER offered the opinion that these matters are old or outdated you would, or at least any Bible believing, Christian would, correct him without hesitation and lead him back to the Bible. Further you might like to explain, how many times is too many times to report such a matter. I didn’t know there was a limitation on this either. I would have thought that any matter should be reported and spoken about and discussed UNTIL it is dealt with by Biblical principles. And incidentally David, you appear to be so unfortunately ignorant of the effects of child abuse on children AND their families….. the effects last FOREVER!!!! They can’t fly off to Europe or catch the wind on their Harley when they wish to get away. For them IT NEVER GOES AWAY!
2. You insult me and every person who has ever been damaged by this man and his actions when you suggest that our matters do not deserve any more attention because Brian Houston has managed to keep a “holy silence” for years. This is so unreasonable as to not dignify it with any further comment. It is only to be said that if the teaching you get at Hillsong is that if a matter can be kept quiet enough or ignored long enough, it is then acceptable practice to dispense with it all together, you should be out of there as fast as you can run.
3. I personally resent your use of the term (in referring to Brian Houston ) “made a mistake”. Don’t you just hate when that happens? “Whoops, I failed to report the matter of children being raped to the police”! Made a mistake? This kind of thinking is so immature and destructive. Made a mistake? Do you honestly see the matter of failing to report a felony “ a mistake”? May God help us all David if we ever come to view the failure to report a felony as a mistake! Thankfully the courts don’t see it that way! It is just exactly what it is …. a CHOICE, and NOT a “mistake”! It just didn’t slip Houston’s mind you know. He carefully weighed up his options and thought only of his own selfish interests and the Hillsong brand. Not a consideration was given to ANY victim David, AND WAIT FOR IT ….. and consider this carefully please ……… he didn’t even offer the victims a PRAYER! This man who loves to be photographed with his arms outstretched as if to the Heavens in order present a holy image couldn’t even take time to offer a PRAYER for people who had been so heinously violated! But you think it is excusable that Brian Houston did not report these matters to the police and excuse him by saying he “made a mistake”? I wonder if it had been one of your children raped by this monster paedophile Frank Houston, you would have swallowed the explanation of someone covering up the crime as just “making a mistake”.
4. Brian Houston “did not want to undermine the victim’s request”? Was that Houston’s intention when he told one victim that he must share responsibility for being raped! You insult the intelligence of the average reader, and any decent human being, David.
5. You should avail yourself of the EVIDENCE which was presented to the Royal Commission and cease paraphrasing for Brian Houston and altering the evidence by way of presenting a substitute story. Why is it that Hillsong members insist on reiterating “the story according to Brian” and ignoring the evidence of the Royal Commission? I think it might have something to do with idolatry and sacred calves…….. all the machinations in the world will NOT alter the truth, David.
6. David, what efforts have Brian Houston and Hillsong undertaken as of this moment to contact the victims and offer to help with their recuperation from this horrible crime? What financial compensation has been offered? $10,000 written on a dirty napkin, David? How long are you going to defend the putrid and despicable actions of everyone involved in this matter who further abused these victims as events unfolded? The residue of such crimes which prevent people from working or even create mountains of costs involving counseling and medical attention over the years are immense. Brian Houston didn’t offer any counseling back then – has he rectified that situation now? Of course, Hillsong may have difficulty coming up with a financial package since their annual turnover is only $A94,000,000 !!! Well, they should hold on tightly to that money David, because they will have little else to show God when Judgement Day arrives!
7. How grateful I am to hear that you are not leveling accusations against me of dishonesty, David. If you have any doubts as to my honesty I am perfectly willing to meet with you face-to-face and discuss the matter.
8. And now for your statement, “Although the abuse which I will ad was demonic and shocking happened at C3 NOT Hillsong you are trying to malign Brian through guilt by association. Brian’s only role in this was her claim that she asked him for help, and after 30 years and speaking 100’s of thousands after services he does not recollect the conversation.” …………
One hardly knows where to begin! Such a convoluted excuse in order to try and absolve Brian Houston from any wrongdoing. You FAILED to address a salient point, David. I did go to Brian Houston for help, not just CLAIM I did, and he accused me of lying, turned his back and walked away! I don’t’ see you addressing that point! Is that the way you expect your leaders to behave? You claim that this was a matter for C3? Well, David, haven’t you just turned a bright light on so much that is wrong with these mega churches!!!! WE ARE ALL CHRISTIANS! I had to point that out to your esteemed Pastor on the night he turned his back on me! This kind of thinking only adds to the argument that Hillsong is a CULT. The Bible does not instruct us to care for the widows and orphans of HILLSONG – at least, again, not the Bible I read. This is EXACTLY the argument Brian Houston fell back on when I asked for help. Doesn’t Houston pray for anyone who is damaged by some action which is caused by anything in life unless the damage is caused by a Hillsong member? What a disgraceful alternate gospel you must adhere to.
Notwithstanding the fact that you have evidently not availed yourself of the FACTS, Brian Houston DID recollect the conversation as is proved by his response to my letter. But, let’s for argument sake, satisfy your insatiable need to protect your idol. You say “after 30 years of and speaking to 100’s of thousands” …. David, this occurred in 1988… BRIAN HOUSTON WAS APPROXIMATELY 34 YEARS OF AGE …. are you honestly purporting to expound the theory that he had been ministering since he was four years of age and had spoken to hundreds of thousands of people in that time!!!! And moreover, are you honestly expecting anyone to believe that when a person goes to him and relates a story of little boy being raped, and of Houston’s MATES, fellow PASTORS, covering it up and refusing to co-operate with the police and give evidence on the part of the child, Houston couldn’t remember it?
David you stretch the realms of credibility too far. But let’s say for the sake of appeasing your conscience on this matter that Houston DID forget (a supposition so ludicrous as to stretch even the most sympathetic among us) then SHAME ON HIM, David. SHAME ON HIM! How would any right-minded, sane person EVER forget such a conversation. You fail miserably when you try to excuse Houston’s behaviour In this matter. And incidentally, this was only one matter in which he failed to act with due diligence which affected me personally. The other I have also raised with him and he can’t remember that either!!!! I suggest you should be very concerned about your Pastor’s apparent failing memory. He often fails to remember details that the average person would have firmly etched in their minds forever had they been informed of them.
9. I await Brian Houston’s invitation to speak with me face-to face on any of the above issues! And unlike you, I don’t recognize a statute of limitations on these issues. I don’t because I know God doesn’t.
It would be so very convenient if victims of Houston would just go away but you see they have more character than your leader, David. They will keep fighting for what is right and just and fair until the day they die. And on the final Judgement Day, perhaps God Himself will be able to convince Houston to face his victims and tell the truth about the events. Because on that day God will not be interested in hearing about how much money Houston raked in, or how many thousands of people he was able to con into believing his organisation was a church, or how much Botox made him look good, or how many holidays he took or how many books on “love” he sold…… God will just stretch out his arms as He did on that Cross David, and hold all those poor damaged sheep beneath them and ask Houston “What did you do for the least of these…… my own precious sheep”.
10. Be mindful of whom you idolize, David. God is the one we serve – not these charlatans.
God bless you Kreewater. Please don’t stop telling the truth about this. As the Houstons now creep into Arizona they are spreading their heresy all over the U.S. Perhaps it’s too much to ask people to read their Bibles and discern for themselves, but everyone understands horrible behavior. They can understand that this church, regardless of who merged with whom, was birthed in wretched filth and the suffering of little children. Americans do understand that the cover-up is worse than the crime. And there is no statute of limitation on disgust. Thank you for your courage, your compassion and your commitment to helping others to understand the truth.
Kreewater. I feel prompted in my spirit to contact you. I wish from the bottom of my heart that is was for something alot nicer. I feel your pain and this pain has been a burden around my neck for over 30 years. Frank Houston and Brian Houston have been the cause of this evil pain in my life. After reading this blog it has left me wondering and reeling to the damage that this stuff does. And to think that these so called followers of Christ have the hide to defend these actions is beyond coprehention? You need to look after you health and you mental health. Im thinking of your son at the moment and you as a parent but to your son, dont let them hurt you anymore. Dont turn the hate inwards. Dont damage yourself anymore. Be strong, move forward. You are as i am stronger than the gutter trash that are against us. You make good points in your remarks as i did at the Royal Commission case study 18.The best to you and your son. The best revenge is to live well. My thoughts, my respect.
Comment edited – read your email, that person you referred to is not who you say they are.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
“Angels are watching” you simply do not seem to understand. I have NO hate for Brian Houston or Hillsong or in fact, anyone else involved in these matters. I DO, however, have HATE for the sin which was committed. I will never back away from from HATING sin. I am not damaging myself by fighting against this ugly behaviour…. I hope that the continued fight will only serve to warn others of the dangers and to bring all those involved in covering up these despicable crimes to TRUE repentance. These are Pastors (or at least they represent themselves as such) and yet seem to think that gives them a licence to lie and deceive. – this handful are not alone in this – the church today is bursting at the seams with such charlatans. The rest of us have no right to go and lick our wounds and ignore their behaviour – we are the foot soldiers and we must fight to oust these fakes from the church. God’s church – He would expect nothing less of us! The Bible leaves us clear instructions on the characteristics we should expect of the leaders. CLEAR instructions! And slinking away and leaving them all to continue on with their miscreant behaviour is NOT an option.
Wonderful reply you gave there Kreewater.
Thank you so much for giving your story – defending your position so truthfully, firmly but kindly at the same time.