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The Daily Telegraph reports,
Domestic violence preacher
A former Hillsong preacher turned motivational speaker believes he is “more qualified” to help people after domestic violence charges against him were dismissed because he was suffering depression.
Pat Mesiti, 56, was charged after grabbing his now ex-wife Andrea by the neck during an argument over a party at their family home in Glenhaven on New Year’s Eve last year. Parramatta Local Court heard Mesiti, who pleaded guilty to common assault, was struggling with the separation from his second wife and was taking anti-depressants.
Magistrate Gary Still dismissed the charge for mental health reasons and ordered Mesiti to follow a treatment plan as set out by his doctor.Outside court, a repentant Mesiti said he had learnt a lot in the past three months: “I will keep doing what I am doing and keep trying to help people.”
Source: Leigh Van Den Broeke, Domestic violence preacher, The Daily Telegraph, Published 24/03/2016.
Social worker Tanya Levin also shared her observations.
She writes,
“What Pat Mesiti failed to mention in his FB update below was that the charges of domestic violence against him were dismissed by way of Section 32, which is a mental health defense. The conditions are that he has to continue his doctor’s appointments, and keep taking his medication.
But you can’t have it both ways.
If you’re mentally ill, even temporarily when you find out your estranged wife is having a NYE party without your knowledge and you have to attack her verbally and physically in an intoxicated state, then we have to ask when else this episodes descend and whether or not you were ill when you were claiming to hear from God.
Or you’re not mentally ill and you lied in court because that’s what frauds and abusers do. Being drunk is not a mental health condition. Neither is being a wife beater.
So which is it? Do tell me, exactly which illness do you have, Pastor Pat, that causes drunken fits of rage that police find you in? Because I can’t see it in the DSM anywhere. But there’s a whole lot here on pathological liars and narcissism. And there’s no pills for those either.
I’m sorry that all these systems failed you, Mrs Mesiti. I hope you are safe wherever you are.
Here’s a pic for those of you who are unsure whether or not Pat considers himself a man of the cloth.”
Source: Tanya Levin, FaceBook, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154731456678957&set=a.56428403956.81849.612613956&type=3, Published 23/03/2016. (Accessed 23/03/2016.)
Hillsong Church Watch 
Next thing you know robbers will be getting away with robbery simply because they were “depressed”….
What a joke this man is.
A tare he may be, but he’s certainly NOT a true follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Sometimes they do. Depression is real . Lots of people have reduced sentences or are given understanding because of suffering with depression. If someone did something wrong and said they were suffering from depression because of what they endured in the Hillong Cult, they would probably be treated like a hero here.
Christian Lady,
Severe depression is serious and deadly and highly correlated with sexual assault in childhood. Deceit however, is not correlated with depression and Pat Mesiti has lost a lot of credibility by using the body of Christ to deceitfully fund his prostitution pleasures. Understandably, that’s why people are having a hard time buying his depression story.
Spiritual abuse is also very real and can be very debilitating. It is a recognised psychological syndrome and has many serious effects ( including depression) across many domains of functioning. If. a person came to this site, after leaving a cult, they would be validated and helped because many people on this site have been on the same recovery path. To leave a cult is very difficult, with many losses, so they are in a sense ‘heroes’ as you say.
Pat is my life coach, I want to be just like him.
Thanks to Pat, I can now choke and beat women and feel ok about it and I have learned from Pat that it will even make me a better person if I blame my depression!
Thank you Pat!
I don’t like Pat Mesiti, but Tanya Levin… she needs to get a new shtick. She has nothing to do with this story and her opinion is no more relevant than anyone else’s.
Including yours?
As a social worker, Tanya has given some interesting insight on Section 32 and Mesiti’s credibility. Another observation – “it is pretty ironic how churches treat mental illness, until they can use it as an excuse to get out of a situation.”
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
In the context of a discussion about Christianity I don’t see her opinion as valuable. I’m just a bit tired of seeing her name in so many articles. She is an atheist, does not understand Christianity and does not know Jesus. There are plenty of other people who could give far more valuable commentary. The only reason she is in the article is because of her controversies with Hillsong, not for her experience as a social worker.
The only professionals more likely to work with mentally ill people are health professionals and the police.
A social worker certainly knows more than the average Joe.
Uppercut
“I don’t like Pat Mesiti, but Tanya Levin… she needs to get a new shtick. She has nothing to do with this story and her opinion is no more relevant than anyone else’s”
I 100% agree she needs to move on.. Although, I don’t think she will she has books to promote and sell.
“I 100% agree she needs to move on.. Although, I don’t think she will she has books to promote and sell.”
There’s a few reasons why people like Tanya Levin can’t or wont move on.
1. They are still trying to let go of their experience because they were heavily indoctrinated into a cult. Tanya Levin goes to great lengths expressing her mind and heart how this happened in her book ‘People in Glass Houses’.
2. She loves people and is publicly warning them as a social worker the dangers fo families and friends getting involved in Australia’s biggest and most dangerous cult.
Frankly, we think she falls into the latter category. And sadly, she shows more love, compassion, integrity, truth and justice than you do Dave. You do a very good job encapsulating the Hillsong spirit on this site. Keep it up chap.
“I 100% agree she needs to move on..”
Dave, just like you felt the victims should move on? “Time to move on now, run along little children. You don’t have real pain. Time heals all wounds. It’s over now.” Your attitude is the same as Brian C. (for “I Don’t Give a CRAP”) Houston.
No it’s time for YOU to move on from Hillson, Dave.
Tanya Levin is a VICTIM just like the sex scandal VICTIMS. You show the same amount of compassion towards her as you showed towards the sex scandal victims… ABSOUTELY NONE!
What kind of ‘Christian’ are you? Oh, that’s right, the Hillsong cult type. That explains much really.
Doesn’t it just get you- people making millions from books and “resources”.
Tanya’s book, “people in glass houses” is probably the best “resource” to ever have come about because of Hillswrong.
It has exposed the fruitless deeds of darkness and the wolf antics of those who dance to the tune of the pied piper of Bilk’em Hills.
By the way, Me$iti is Hillswrong to the bone whether you like it or not. His buddy Brian goes on Mediterranean holidays with him and shares the Amway circuit with him and even preaches about his “restoration” losing everything and about to buy his old home back. His public sacking 13 years ago was not a disassociation, just a show for convenience sake.
A mirror shows your face, but your friends show your character. Kind of makes Brian ugly inside & out.
I think you’re getting a bit melodramatic there churchwater. Yeah it’s not nice to be caught up in a place like Hillsong but it’s not even close to the “most dangerous” cult in Australia. I went to Hillsong for years and it was nowhere near my worst experience. In fact I enjoyed a lot of my time there and made a lot of good friends despite the heresy and other failings of leadership.
And Lashonweiss… likening Tanya’s experience to sex scandal victims is pretty poor. It’s not even close to the same thing. Please keep some perspective.
ChurchWatch
“As a social worker, Tanya has given some interesting insight on Section 32 and Mesiti’s credibility. Another observation – “it is pretty ironic how churches treat mental illness, until they can use it as an excuse to get out of a situation.”
The truth is this has nothing to do with Hillsong so why is it posted on a Hillsong Blog site? In my opinion Tany’s view of Hillsong is distorted because she is only interested finding negative information.. This actually reminds me of a website I know..
“The truth is this has nothing to do with Hillsong…”
This has everything to do with Hillsong. Looks like you have ignored all articles and evidence that reveals Mesiti is still involved with Hillsong as a Hillsong pastor. Hillsong have deliberately and wilfully remained silent on Pat Mesiti’s position with Hillsong, hoping it will all blow over.
They rely on people like you Dave to give them the benefit of the doubt. That is how wolves get away with corruption. They capitalise on Christians ethic.
“In my opinion Tany’s view of Hillsong is distorted because she is only interested finding negative information.”
Jesus said,
“And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” John 17:3
Why is it that Tanya knows your faith better than you? Why is it she can discern Christianity from Hillsong? Why is it that Tanya expressed her offense on Fighting for the Faith when Brian Houston refuses to preach the gospel on Good Friday?
She is offended because such a fraud is defended by such people as you.
If there is anyone who is distorted Dave – it’s you. You sound more like a goat defending a goat herd than a sheep loving and defending Christ and his Word. If you really are a sheep that hears Christ’s voice, why do you keep lying, slandering and distorting the Christian faith to defend one of Australia’s biggest cults?
“They rely on people like you Dave to give them the benefit of the doubt.”
Not only that, but Hillsong & Mesiti rely on people like Dave to spread misinformation.
“If you really are a sheep that hears Christ’s voice, why do you keep lying, slandering and distorting the Christian faith to defend one of Australia’s biggest cults?”
It’s sad but true that Dave is a pathetic excuse for someone who calls themselves a ‘Christian.’
ChurchWatch
“Frankly, we think she falls into the latter category. And sadly, she shows more love, compassion, integrity, truth and justice than you do Dave. You do a very good job encapsulating the Hillsong spirit on this site. Keep it up chap.”
You don’t know anything about me or my character, what statements have a made that reflect negative character? I could show you a few comments that were very insulting towards me and not once have I responded with vitriol.
I may have a different opinion that should not be mistaken for a negative character.
“You don’t know anything about me or my character,”
Don’t insult people’s intelligence by throwing out such a cry-baby response.
“I could show you a few comments that were very insulting towards me”
They are only insulting towards you because you know they are true. Truth hurts chap.
“I may have a different opinion”
Unbiblical, unChristian opinions that lack compassion, wisdom and understanding. Just like the angel silenced the mouth of the lions in the lions den, the Word of God has come and completely snuffed your worthless opinions. You’re not qualified to utter your garbage since you are not presenting a case from the scriptures. You just devour anyone that questions your pride.
“… that should not be mistaken for a negative character.”
Your “opinions” have clearly demonstrated that you are an unrepentant, reprobate. Your opinions are invalid because they oppose Christ and his teachings, let alone make you look like a fool before others. We’ve even exposed your claims to be blatantly false and you insist we and other critics are in the wrong.
David,
We know plenty about the condition of your heart.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, or in your case, types.
Your typing reveals you to be blindly following the blind guide Houston, siding with the perpetrators rather than the victims and a defender of the end time harlot scribes and pharisees.
We are reading you loud and clear.
“I may have a different opinion that should not be mistaken for a negative character.”
You do have a different opinion, not the one expressed in the Bible. What should your opinion be mistaken for then? How about something not found in the Bible.
As a matter of fact, concerning the Scriptures…. you have proven many times you do not understand the Bible. Now up to most likely 200 posts and still counting, still you have yet to display any working knowledge of the Bible. No verses correctly applied by you after all these posts?
You express the opinion of man, and of Hillsong. Not the opinion found in the Bible.
How can you have a “positive character” without backing up what you say by the Bible?
You imply “man is good.” That man can have a “good opinion” apart from the Bible.
To the contrary, you have shown time and again your un-scriptural opinions are the basis for your defending an un-biblical cult, instead of defending what is said in the Bible.
Without using the Bible to express your views, you imply “man is good.” However man and man’s standards are “not good” in and of himself. As departed from, and devoid of the Bible as your arguments are, and as unwilling to compare Brian Houston to the Bible as you have been…. one can believe anything, follow anyone, follow any wind of doctrine, follow any satanic teaching, follow any false teacher. You are proof of this.
Romans 3:10 “as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;”
Stop expressing your opinions, and Brian Houston’s opinions. Start using the Bible as the basis for your arguments chap.
“You don’t know anything about me or my character, what statements have a made that reflect negative character?”
We know you better than you ‘think’ you know Brian Houston.
ChurchWatch
“why do you keep lying, slandering and distorting the Christian faith to defend one of Australia’s biggest cults”
Wow the accusations are flying. If you are going to make such harsh accusations you need to back them up with facts.
Please point out exactly what I lied about? Who I was slandering? Please tell who I have slandered ever on this site ? Please tell me when I have distorted the Christian Faith? I may have a different opinion this does not reflect a distortion.
If you are going to make such harsh accusations you need to back them up with facts.
(Notice that I have not retaliated by firing off hurtful allegations towards you, every time someone has taken a personal shot at me, including wishing I was raped I have never responded in anger or with a personal attack)
Regarding Pat he was not even ordained at Hillsong (Tanya’s video above) let alone a Hillsong pastor. When you say Pat is a Hillsong pastor you are implying that he
A. Is employed by the church
B. Is under the leadership of the church
C. Is a representative of the Church
The facts are he is none of the above so I’m not the one being misleading. Pat was fired by Hillsong 13 years ago and has not been a Hillsong pastor since. Yes he was ordained again but as you can see he was ordained by another church. If he is a Hillsong pastor why didn’t Hillsong ordain him???.
Yes he has preached twice at Hillsong church’s around the world in the last 13 years, that does not make him a Hillsong pastor. TD Jakes, Joyce Meyer, Joseph Prince and other preachers have spoken at Hillsong way more than Pat, does this make them Hillsong pastor’s? NO.The truth is Pat is an itinerant preacher who speaks at many different church’s and definitely is not a Hillsong pastor.
“Wow the accusations are flying.”
Yes David – you haven’t stopped.
“If you are going to make such harsh accusations you need to back them up with facts.”
But you have come to our site clearly not open to see the facts, even if we source them, document them and let the sources speak for themselves.
“(Notice that I have not retaliated by firing off hurtful allegations towards you…”
You’ve got to be joking.
“The facts are he is none of the above so I’m not the one being misleading. Pat was fired by Hillsong 13 years ago and has not been a Hillsong pastor since.”
The onus is on Hillsong to clarify. And because you seem to be so insistent that he is, you need to prove this to be true. Not us. We can only report on what Hillsong has given us in spite of their silence. Did you not listen to the sermon review of Pat speaking how he was/is involved in Hillsong?
Your argument is silly David. Hillsong can put this to bed by releasing a media statement to say that Pat Mesiti is not a pastor. We can most likely accept that (considering that Hillsong have deliberately been dishonest in past media statements).
Hillsong has not done this. Their silence is deliberate and deafening. Why don’t you try to prove that he is not a Hillsong pastor? We will listen to your argument if you present a reasonable case with actual evidence.
ChrurchWatch
1.The burden of proof is not on Hillsong
2. Hillsong fired him 13 years ago, since nothing has changed why make an announcement when it has nothing to do with them
3.The media in Australia reported the correct facts in that they wrote ” he was a prior Hillsong pastor”..why would Hillsong feel the need to make a correction announcement when the media has been accurate?
4.You seem to think you can go around making bold claims about institutions and then state “they have not said anything contrary, until they do we will continue to state is as fact”. It does not work that way.
“Hillsong fired him [Mesiti] 13 years ago”
As a media stunt maybe.
And kind of similar to how “Brian fired Frank right away” hahaha.
We were thinking of making that comparison soon enough.
Brian talked about how Frank was fired but it was on the table for Franl to be restored back into “ministry”. It was interesting watch Brian Houston squirm in his attempt to justify that their are two types of “restoration into ministry”. As soon as Brian did this, he categorically put Mesiti into the category of someone who was being restored into Hillsong ministry.
However, because Mesiti’s marriage fell while being apart of Hillsong’s restoration process, Houston moved him to Phil Pringle’s church (a close fo friend of Houston) to have him restored into ministry there. Brian Houston and Phil Pringle restored Pat Mesiti back to pastoral ministry – so Hillsong and C3 are 100% responsible for making Pat Mesiti a pastor again.
@David, sorry to break this to you but hillsong-type-churchianity is not Christianity.
“Wow the accusations are flying. If you are going to make such harsh accusations you need to back them up with facts.”
And you need to start backing up your opinions with the Bible, which you have demonstrated you cannot do.
“he truth is Pat is an itinerant preacher who speaks at many different church’s and definitely is not a Hillsong pastor.”
You miss the biggest points in order to continue pushing semantics which is what YOUR agenda is all about.
WHAT is Pat Mesiti doing speaking at Hillsong AT ALL?
Pat Mesiti is not qualified to speak to any so-called Christian audience ANYWHERE.
WHY has Hillsong had Pat Mesiti recently speak? WHY has Brian Houston aligned himself with just another moneygrubber?
Address that point Mr. Know-It-All who looks the other way from wickedness in order to push your spiritually sick I-Love-Hillsong-No-Matter-Whatever-They-Do agenda.
“Yes he has preached twice at Hillsong church’s around the world in the last 13 years, that does not make him a Hillsong pastor. TD Jakes, Joyce Meyer, Joseph Prince and other preachers have spoken at Hillsong way more than Pat, does this make them Hillsong pastor’s?”
By this logic, Christine Caine is not a Hillsong pastor.
Hillsong hid behind C3 to restore Pat Mesiti back to ministry. You can’t escape that fact.
Churchwatcher
the only thing about Tanya Levin is she is no longer a christian. she said there is nothing strong enough to covince her that God really exsists.
And it’s very sad to see Hillsong continue to reinforce that lack of belief in Tanya’s life. Hillsong, because of their pride, and clear unbiblical stance, do NOT see Tanya as someone worthy to be ‘won’ to Christ.
Why is that? Is it because she’s a so-called former Christian turned dissenter? No longer loyal to the Hillsong ‘tribe’?
The bible clearly defines Christianity in this way. It is a total and eternal change. You go from life to death, from flesh to spirit, from unbelief to total trust and faith. Once you are become a Christian, you stay a Christian. It’s a fact. It never depends on human effort, it’s a work of God. If you leave it, you were never one of them.
Tanya never truly trusted Christ because she never heard the gospel preached at Hillsong where she grew into adulthood capable of discerning these truths had she heard them.
Tanya needs the gospel, perhaps we should see it as a great mercy that she’s no longer at Hillsong.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
I have more respect for Tanya Levin in her atheism than I could ever have for Brain Houston in his hypocrisy.
Tanya is doing her best to expose the corruption of the pentecostal prosperity charlatans and warn people away from them. Good for her.
Houston should take heed, see Tanya and fear. I hope he can hold his breath a long time. I read that if anyone causes any of the Lord’s little ones to fall, it would be better for him to be mill stoned and oceanised.
ChruchWatch
“However, because Mesiti’s marriage fell while being apart of Hillsong’s restoration process, Houston moved him to Phil Pringle’s church (a close fo friend of Houston) to have him restored into ministry there. Brian Houston and Phil Pringle restored Pat Mesiti back to pastoral ministry – so Hillsong and C3 are 100% responsible for making Pat Mesiti a pastor again”
This is blatantly incorrect. Hillsong fired Pat, I was at the service when it was announced. Brian asked all non Hillsong regulars to respectfully leave for this part of the service. The whole Church was sad and shocked. The service was at the Hub 12 or so years ago.
You claim Pat went to C3 during his Hillsong restoration because of the split from his wife. This is wrong. Pat left Hillsong straight away and started attending C3 Church. It was after attending and serving at C3 church for a couple of years he was given the opportunity by Phil Pringle to go through the restoration process. He went through the process and after four years was given the approval by Phil Pringle and as such he was ordained as a pastor. He was NOT ordained at Hillsong, again if he is a Hillsong pastor why didn’t Hillsong ordain him?
Of course Brian knew Pat was attending C3 and was aware of his restoration, nothing wrong with that, he wanted to see Pat back on his fhieet and restored and was believing for the best in Pat.
This following is the truth about Pat’s relationship with Hillsong. Pat attends Hillsong Church and Pat would call Hillsong his home Church. He attends but is not a Hillsong pastor. He has been restored back to ministry under the movement of C3 and Phil Pringle. His full time Job is motivational speaking and business coaching, he supplements his Job with itinerant preaching (itinerant preachers have a home church they attend that they aren’t necessarily a pastor of. if you want Pat to preach at your Church you contact Pat not Hillsong. Various Churches invite him to preach at there Church’s.
Joel Abel is a Hillsong pastor, he works full time for Hillsong, get’s paid by Hillsong, is under the leadership of Brian, represents the Church, preaches at other Church’s, and is introduced as a Hillsong Pastor. Hillsong publically state on there website ect..
“By this logic, Christine Caine is not a Hillsong pastor”
The difference is Hillsong publicly state that Christine is a Hillsong pastor they have not stated publicly forn13 years that Pat is a Hillsong pastor because they fired him 13 years ago.
“They fired pat As a media stunt maybe. And kind of similar to how “Brian fired Frank right away hahaha”
Wrong- I was at the service when they fired him. The fact they fired him is not up for debate. Try and get some facts straight..
David,
you are wrong.
Hillsong does not issue credentials and therefore does not operate a restoration process.
Hillsong pastors have an assemblies of god credential and if there is a violation, such as going to brothels etc, then the restoration process is handled by the AOG. Pat was being “restored” not by Hillswrong but by the AOG through Ian Woods, then state president at Windsor.
Mesiti failed under the AOG restoration process because of the marriage failure and the issue of remarriage.
C3 is a separate denomination and credentialling body
“Wrong- I was at the service when they fired him. The fact they fired him is not up for debate. Try and get some facts straight..”
We know they fired him, BUT IN NAME ONLY. HE STILL TEACHES AT HILLSONG. THEY STILL MARKET CD.s WITH HIM ON THEM. Hillsong still associates with him DIRECTLY, and INDIRECTLY through back door of C3.
“Try and get some facts straight..”
What is wrong with you?? Personal problems?? “Brian DID NOT fire Frank right away” though YOU explicitly stated Brian did.It is You who needs to get his facts straight, lest you appear as an even bigger hypocrite as you already do.
Where are your Bible verses?? There is Nothing but childish arguments coming from you. No Bible, just gibberish.
So, Tanya Levin, did you read that? Your friends at hillsongchurchwatch say that you were NEVER a Christian.
Any, please write a book about this website. They say neither you, and any Catholics are Christians and that you are going to burn in hell when you die. They also would rail against you if you became a Christian and preached in church – just because you are a woman.
So the only thing you have in common with these people is that you both hate Brian Houston. Even though you haven’t been a church member for 10 years? 20?
Tanya Levin will be bashing Hillsong as long as the book sales keep coming in.
Tanya is a friend, “Christian Lady”. And as to her salvation? That’s entirely up to the Lord and His electing her to salvation (which is our prayer by the way). Her book sales, we’re sure she might be able to afford a loaf of bread and some milk this week, God willing. She certainly doesn’t expect a “care parcel” from Hillsong any time soon, the $$$$ tithes have to pay for the cost of running all those Colour Conferences and their accompanying lighting costs etc etc.
As for Catholicism and women pastors? Read your bible, (just make sure it’s not The Message Bible).
https://carm.org/should-women-be-pastors-and-elders
https://carm.org/roman-catholicism
Christian lady,
” Tanya Levin will be bashing Hillsong as long as the book sales keep coming in”.
Ooh evil Tanya…..making legitimate income from a legitimate book, not sucking the Body of Christ dry with tithes and offerings, book sales,music CD’s etc etc.
Brian & Bobbie Houston would never make merchandise of the Body of Christ like that now would they?…. Oh that’s right Brian calls them “resources” and “opportunities to give to God”.
Talking of false teachers 2 Peter 2:3
” and through covetedness they (false teachers) shall make merchandise of you, whose judgement now of a long time lingereth not and their damnation slumbereth not”.
Tanya Levin will be bashing Hillsong as long as the book sales keep coming in”.
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“Ooh evil Tanya…..making legitimate income from a legitimate book”
Good point Debra, not only that but Tanya is making legitimate statements about a fake church AND providing online documentation every step of the way, but “Christian Lady” failed to mention that part.
Tanya Levin’s bashing is accurate no matter whether it’s an atheist making it or not. And Hillsong deserves the bashing.
“and any Catholics are Christians and that you are going to burn in hell when you die.”
Christian Lady, point out where Hillsong Church Watch stated that all Catholics are going to hell. That statement has never been made on this website. They acknowledge the true Christian sheep scattered nearly everywhere, but need to get out from under false teachers. You are making things up out of your ignorance and mixing up reality with fiction, as David often does.
It’s interesting you say she’s making statements about a “fake church”. What would be a “real church” in her mind I wonder?
The thing I find bemusing about atheists arguing against Hillsong, is that the premise of their argument tends to assume God exists in the first place, by attempting to hold Hillsong to a standard from the Bible they don’t believe in. To take a purely atheistic view, what Brian and Bobbie do is not much different to your average company or celebrity providing products there is a demand for. People go to Hillsong for the atmosphere, motivational speech and concert, and happily hand over money for the latest books and albums. Not much different to going to a nightclub or buying some celebrity endorsed junk you have no need for, or even handing over your money to a casino designed to rip you off.
Yes there is a faith element to it that Hillsong exploits, and people give money to further the cause of Hillsong and line the pockets of their celebrity pastors. Christians in legitimate churches give money also, to further the cause of their churches. The atheist doesn’t believe in the god of any church, so both are equally as meaningless in their mind. They really can’t make the distinction between Hillsong and any other church if they are genuinely atheist. It’s why I don’t have any regard for the opinion of people like Tanya Levin.
Christian Lady, the bible says believers who become unbelievers never were genuine believers in the first place.
[referring to little “antiChrists”] 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Pray that Tanya Levin stops throwing the baby out with the bathwater i.e. rejecting Jesus as well as Hillsong/ refusing to hear true biblical Gospel as well as Hillsong’s counterfeit “gospel”.
“Pat Mesiti, 56, was charged after grabbing his now ex-wife Andrea by the neck”
Sounds as if a restraining order is long overdue.
Captain Dilleysaid
“By the way, Me$iti is Hillswrong to the bone whether you like it or not. His buddy Brian goes on Mediterranean holidays with him and shares the Amway circuit with him and even preaches about his “restoration” losing everything and about to buy his old home back. ”
This so inaccurate it hilarious. I’m sure you just make things up and state them as fact..The notion that Brian goes on the Amway circuit with Pat is a complete lie..This simply does no happen. You seem to imagine things and state them as fact.
Brian did speak about a friend of his getting his house back, although Brian did not mention Pat’s name…Nothing wrong with that.
“His public sacking 13 years ago was not a disassociation, just a show for convenience sake”
Another bald faced lie that’s full of deception. Pat was fired by Hillsong !! ChurchWatch agree with me…End of story.
Now that I have debunked these lies why don’t you move along and invent some other fantasies..you have a great imagination..
““Try and get some facts straight..”
“You seem to imagine things and state them as fact.”
“Now that I have debunked these lies why don’t you move along and invent some other fantasies..you have a great imagination..”
David, you are talking about yourself once again.
Brian DID NOT “fire Frank right away” though YOU explicitly stated Brian did.It is You who needs to get his facts straight, lest you appear as an even bigger hypocrite as you already do.
You cannot admit you are wrong. You are the one in the fantasy world.
David – we find your consistent use of the word “fired” very revealing. Of course this is very much the word used in the corporate world, isn’t it. And of course we realize that Hillsong is a corporation, not a church, and as such, Mesiti being “fired” was the appropriate thing to do.
The reality is, in a true church community, character is a priority. Mesiti, being part of a “corporation”, clearly demonstrated that his talent/leadership skills were ultimately a substitute for character. They (Hillsong) rather than exercising biblical discernment, allowed Mesiti’s popularity rule the day.
Finally, instead of placing Mesiti under church discipline, stood down, not “fired”, they cast him off, depriving him of a community (if truly biblical) that could give him the opportunity to be restored back in to the congregation as a repentant forgiven brother. All this says as much about Hillsong’s leadership character as it does about Mesiti.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Churchwatch
“Finally, instead of placing Mesiti under church discipline, stood down, not “fired”, they cast him off, depriving him of a community (if truly biblical) that could give him the opportunity to be restored back in to the congregation as a repentant forgiven brother. All this says as much about Hillsong’s leadership character as it does about Mesiti”
How do you know they cast him off? As far as I am aware there was an option for Pat to stay at Hillsong for restoration. The issue was Pat found it very difficult being in an environment when EVERYONE knew he stuffed up so badly, there was also the issue of Pat’s wife wanting to remain at Hillsong which presented further problems. Pat went to Pringles church because it gave him some space and there weren’t a thousand people staring at him. I don’t blame him.
Nothing in this world that black or white..
Seriously David? You’re the one claiming to have been there at the time and constantly reiterating he was “fired”.
Some commenting here know Mesiti and Andrea personally. Just saying.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
“David”, Explain why are you arguing on a Bible-based website after you have demonstrated do not understand the Bible?
What has become clear, is, the only reason you are here is to argue your talking points.
Do all a favor and try something Brian Houston never tried.. go study the Bible for a couple years. Then come back, after you have something worth arguing.
David,
I know that Brain “sacked” Me$iti but he didnt end his friendship or association with him, Brain has even boasted of that.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
Its pretty clear to me that he should have dropped him like a hot tater. It was a well known fact that both Brain & Pat spoke on the Amway motivational circuit. This did continue after the “sacking”.
Everything Brain does is for his own benefit & convenience. The AOG & Houstonites have had a solid history of unbiblical restoration of wolves that have left the restored wolf indebted to them and the system.
Im afraid that you are as blind as a bat when it comes to things of a biblical or spiritual nature. You are one of the many that are under the strong delusion that comes from having your ears tickled.
Lashonweisss
“It’s sad but true that Dave is a pathetic excuse for someone who calls themselves a ‘Christian.’”
This above is a perfect example of a statement made by a Hillsong Critic that shows where there heart is at. It’s Mean, belittling, rude, disrespectful and judgmental. Congratulations on demonstrating what kind of person you are…
“It’s Mean, belittling, rude, disrespectful and judgmental.”
It’s also very well-deserved.
“Congratulations on demonstrating what kind of person you are…”
What?? You can’t be for real!! That’s coming from you who said dozens of posts back noone can know what kind of person you are from your hundreds of posts, yet from 3 posts you say that?? How childish!
“Another bald faced lie that’s full of deception.”
Seriously??? You’re trying to point out deception, at the same time you can’t even figure out Brian Houston has deceived YOU?? Can you even tie your own shoes? Congratulations to you, yes you are pathetic but not only that, you also get the Retard of the Year award.
Why are you defending Brian Houston anyway?? What did he do for you? Speak sweet lies into your deceived little itchy twitchy ears??
Major Dilly is 100% right, you are blind as a bat!! How much money has dumb you given towards Brian Houston’s personal financial empire?? Did you buy him some gold-plated faucets for his mansion, you idiot? Why don’t you go buy him a gold-plated kickstand for his harley? And another Valentino suit. He needs a new one badly so he can do more of his cheesy pushups on stage, to fleece more people, who are biblically illiterate just like you.
Heres a thought – Stop posting. You could spend that time getting a 2nd job to throw more money into Brian’s mansion upkeep and against the Gospel.
And start a campaign to raise money to purchase golf lessons for Brian Houston with Tyler Woods. Imagine how much that would help spread the “gospel”!!
“It’s Mean, belittling, rude, disrespectful and judgmental.”
You may feel these things but is it false?
Churchwatch
“Seriously David? You’re the one claiming to have been there at the time and constantly reiterating he was “fired”.
Perhaps its a poor choice of words and yes I was there remember like yesterday…
Churchwatch
“Some commenting here know Mesiti and Andrea personally. Just saying”
That’s fine I’m not the one putting his name in lights and regurgitating his past failures. Also, I have no issues with Pat or Andrea reading my comments as they are the truth, nothing I have said is disparaging towards them.
“I’m not the one regurgitating Pat’s past failures”
Would you care to mention.. you’re the one regurgitating how great Brian Houston is, while Brian Houston spreads a false gospel and deceives 1000’s of other biblically illiterate people similar to you.
By the way liar, all Pat’s failures are not past. Pat’s drunken jerk event was recent. Stop twisting things around trying to make wicked look good. Thats what cult members do you know, you try to make wicked look good.
Lashonweiss
“By the way liar, all Pat’s failures are not past. Pat’s drunken jerk event was recent. Stop twisting things around trying to make wicked look good. Thats what cult members do you know, you try to make wicked look good.”
Are you seriously using this as a valid argument ? Of course people understand what I mean by past failures..you are twisting a simple statement to try and make people think I’m lying.. If that’s the best you’ve got then any reasonable person would think you are twisting and reaching…hilarious.
But it is a valid argument. Mesiti’s “past failure” was only in January this year. A Holy Spirit filled Christian should demonstrate longsuffering, meekness and self-control.
And stop minimizing domestic violence as “past failure” and call it what it is: ***SIN**. You’re not fooling anybody.
Why are YOU treating the word “sin” like a four-letter swear word when even a simple “sin” keyword search from “the Message” (paraphrase, NOT proper bible translation) shows 1086 results on Biblegateway website?
Thinker
I was referring to Pat leaving Hillsong which happened 12 – 13 years ago.
OK, so you were referring to what happened over a decade ago, but can you see that the behaviour of a self-proclaimed Christian (decades now?) still followed a similar pattern?
Tempted by “Lusts of the flesh” —-> gave into lusts of the flesh —-> committed SIN
Of course only God knows if Mesiti truly repented of his sin like King David did. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+51&version=KJV
RE January 2016 incident: it concerns me is that instead of Mesiti owning what he did, he used a variation of “the devil made me do it”, blaming depression and alcohol for what he did several months ago. I have a mentally fragile relative who uses the “I had an unhappy childhood (so let me get away with it…. again)”; however unlike Mesiti they have never claimed to be a born-again Christian.
I expect non-Christians to rationalize, justify and make excuses for personal shortcomings, weaknesses and “mistakes” because that is all they have to hide their shame. They cannot experience forgiveness and cleansing from personal sin because they do not have faith in Jesus Christ, who paid the penalty for our sins.
A Christian who is using the same strategy as my unbelieving relative is a sin-justifying Christian. A sin-justifying Christian should be an oxymoron. A sin-justifying Christian in Christian leadership (no matter what label, title or rank they give themselves) should be the ultimate, to the nth degree oxymoron.
How can Mesiti possibly help other Christians if he hasn’t got the spiritual strength to defeat his own sins first? He needs to have his heart sorted out by GOD, submit to God and permit God to do a complete heart transplant, using the Word of God as the operating team, team and equipment.
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Hillsongees: instead of relying on experiences to measure how saved you feel, you need careful bible study and decent sermons to strengthen your intellectual faith.
Just like the physical brain needs to be alive for the heart to function normally, you need the permanent renewing of the mind to keep your spiritual heart functioning.
If you keep your spiritual brain and heart in sync with the bible you’ll be at much less risk of falling into sin/ being deceived.
Brian’s doing 20 pushups on stage was pathetic. Fitness enthusiasts like me all over the world laugh at cheesy junk like that. The only ones impressed were impressionable children like you.
Kids are starving around the world, while Brian Houston feels the need to live in a HUGE MANSION and BE SEEN IN VALENTINE SUITS.
There’s where his heart’s at. There’s his “gospel”.
Lashonweiss
“Kids are starving around the world, while Brian Houston feels the need to live in a HUGE MANSION and BE SEEN IN VALENTINE SUITS”
Once again a lie. Brian does not live in a mansion he lives in a house. It’s the same house he has lived in since the 80’s. Banging on about Harley’s and his mansion’s you sound like ACA. And yes Brian is probably wealthy, in fact, anyone who purchased a house in Baulkham Hills in the 80’s is probably wealthy. Anyone who works hard and invests money wisely will be wealthy, Brian is no different.
He lives in an expensive apartment overlooking Bondi Beach.
“Anyone who works hard and invests money wisely will be wealthy, Brian is no different.”
Harrumph!! Now for the truth mr gullible who cant notice deception even while he trips over it…. tho you dont derseve to know the truth at this point..
TRUTH —> Any impastors who push tithing hard enough like Brian did for 30 years will be “smelly” wealthy. “Smelly” because this lie raises a stench up to Heaven.
“Brian is no different”.. Right, he is Absolutely no different,….. from his friends whove shared the coveted Hillsong Conference stage with him. Kenneth Copeland. Joyce Meyer. Benny Hinn. Joel Osteen. TD Jakes. Casey Treat. Steven Furtick. It wasnt about investing wisely, it was about propagating the lies of tithing and the prosperity gospel ad nauseum for years and years and years to hundreds of 1000’s of gullible but well-meaning persons who had no clue what was going on.. and most still dont, just like YOU. These impastors sheared the sheep and built their mega- “churches” off the backs of unsuspecting persons.
1 TIMOTHYU 3:8 In the same way, deacons are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain.
TITUS 1:7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless–not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
1 TIMOHTY 3:1-3 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
HEBREWS 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”
TRUTH —> Interesting isnt it that “Be content with what you have” is the DIRECT OPPOSITE of “YOU NEED MORE MONEY!!!”
What lies these impastors tell for filthy mammon!!! All FAIL the basic test of ELIGIBILITY for real pastors.. All have been DISQUALIFIED by Paul the author of 1/3 the New Testaent..
Here they are Appealing to emotions and twisting the Bible.. Why would I want to attend Hillsong Conference 2016 to listen to this kind of Bible twisting “special guest”..??
Modern prosperity preachers. Modern snake oil salesmen.
Neither Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland have preached at Hillsong conf.. And hillsong no longer preach transnational prosperity ( 1$ tithe = 10$ return).
Sorry I meant transaction prosperity
“Neither Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland have preached at Hillsong conf.. “
I know that I prematurellly hit enter before I was done editing my post.. Big deal !
and I didnt finish its worse than that theres a bunch more mega- impastors who have I didnt get to add: such as Ed Young Jr, Rick Warren and several other such liars. Those DID preach there. Therefore you can drop those two off the list and add many more in their place.
Here is your problem you STILL dont get Mr blind-as-a-bat. You can only hope to beat people on your idiotic technicalities (which keep proving to be wrong anyway). you cant beat people on the Bible since you and Hillsong are Bibe-illiterates, or disprove peoples low opinions of the bad character of your cult leaders because their character is well lets be nice this time lets just say it leaves a LOT to be desired.
So you have nothing left to stand on. No Bible. No character. Whats left?? you just keep grasping deperately at straws. You have nothing. Just your cheap cult that has NOTHING to do with Jesus. brian houston has NOTHING to do with Jesus and will be in the LOOOONNNGGG line on the left come Judgement Day..
Brian Houston and Hillsong also endorse Oneness Pentecostal Bishop (ordained as bishop within the OP denomination) T.D. Jakes. Wolves of a feather etc etc.
https://carm.org/t-d-jakes
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Hey but if you really want to help poor little impoverished Brian Houston go from $30 Mil to $40 Mil, well, thats up to you we all have different goals in life..
Brian Houston is immensely wealthy. There’s no comparison between him and the average mum and dad who bought in Baulkham Hills in the 80s. I wonder what his net worth actually is.
It has been reported elsewhere that his net worth exceeds $30 million.
Oh the joys of a tax free life!
That could be the title of his next scam book:
or ” YOU NEED LESS TAX”
“It has been reported elsewhere that Brian Houson’s net worth exceeds $30 million.”
This sounds like a typical net worth for a servant of Jesus Christ, doesn’t it?
I had a look on the Hillsong website and there is a letter there Brian has witten about his and Bobbie’s finances. He said that both himself and Bobbie chose to forego their salary from the church for many years. Can anyone at church watch provide any evidence that he is being dishonest about this as this is not what a greedy person would do?
“He said that both himself and Bobbie chose to forego their salary from the church for many years.”
They sound humble and forthcoming don’t it?
However, Phil Pringle and Kong Hee use this same trick. You might want to research Kong Hee and see how these guys rort the system so they can line their pockets.
If you keep reading that article, Brian will talk about his Leadership Ministries Incorporated (LMI). What he earns from that is bad enough. After you read that, you may want to read a recent article on ChurchWatchCentral that examines the financial management of LMI.
The point is this – these “pastors” are doing a lot of things behind the scenes to hide their greed from our eyes. They need to give the impression they are humble, giving and suffering for a noble cause to be considered worth supporting.
Thanks i’ll have a read of those articles. One of the things that does concern me is some of the pastors that have been invited to speak at Hillsong Conferences a lot of them are linked to Word Of Faith movement which I believe to be a demonic deception.
Lashonweiss
Let me ask you an honest question. If you want to engage in honest discussion and get people to engage openly then why do you insist on disparaging people and putting them down? In you last post here is a list of the derogatory things you said about me.
dont get Mr blind-as-a-bat, on your idiotic technicalities, are Bibe-illiterates, low opinions of the bad character, No Bible. No character. Whats left??, You have nothing, ur cheap cult that has NOTHING..
If you want to engage with people you disagree with it would help if were not so darn horrible in the way you treat them.
“Let me ask you an honest question. If you want to engage in honest discussion”
“Honest question”?? “Honest discussion”?? You havent been honest about brian since youve been on here.
Explain why brian houston wrote a book 100% diametrically oposed to HEBREWS 13:5 !
Brian houston has NOTHING to do with Jesus Christ & the Bible !!
And Paul the author of 1/3 the New Testaent disqualified Brian houston from running a church.
If you want to “Be honest” then start “being honest” by Explaining that..
Lashonweisssaid: And Paul the author of 1/3 the New Testaent disqualified Brian houston from running a church.
Brain houston has written more books than the Apostle Paul, that just goes to show how superior he is and why he is a super apostle.
Or it just goes to show how he is making merchandise of the blind and fleecing the flock.
John o’neill: you are accurate sir. Im glad at least someone has the blinders off and is paying attention.
about super apostles yes Steven furtick and brian Houston must be, they hav written enough books and taken enough tithes to buy themselves houses bigger than all their inferior 1st century apostle counterparts combined could afford !!
Brian houston is known by the company he keeps.. another reason to AVOID hillsongs 2016 conference. Cults inviting other cults, how can anyone fall for their crap ??
See here how Furtick understands the Bible no better than Houson. Both are clueless which explain perfectly how they can be best buds:
http://wideawakechristian.blogspot.com/2014/02/emergent-monday-cult-of-furtick.html