Calvary Chapel’s founding pastor, Pedro Garcia has recently been removed from ministry due to ‘lifestyle issues”. Before looking at this, we think it is important that readers look at Garcia’s association with Hillsong and what Brian Houstons says his ‘Hillsong Family’ is.
WHAT IS THE HILLSONG FAMILY?
Calvary Chapel was assimilated into the Hillsong Family a few years ago. Ken Silva from Apprising ministres observed the assimilation happening:
ONE CONFERENCE BRINGS TOGETHER CALVARY CHAPEL & HILLSONG CHURCH
Brian and Bobbie Houston with Pedro Garcia:
This is a screen grab from today (01/08/2016):
We have the screen grab back in 09/02/2015 to prove that Pedro and his wife are legitimate pastors in the Hillsong Family.
Brian Houston explains what the ‘Hillsong Family’ is (although you can’t trust a man who is known around the world as a compulsive liar):
About Hillsong Family
The HILLSONG FAMILY is a group of like-spirited, forward thinking, kingdom-building visionaries and ministries working TOGETHER for a greater cause. This group of churches and ministries are joining our ‘FAMILY’ in an effort to develop and strengthen one another – a family relationship in which to find wisdom and encouragement, spiritual accountability and support as they continue to build the church and ministry that God has uniquely called them to do.
This is not the foundation or beginnings of a Hillsong ‘denomination’, nor are they ‘Hillsong Churches’. The spirit behind the HILLSONG FAMILY is empowering rather than controlling; with each of the churches listed below maintaining their own name, autonomy and identity. In trying to express what this looks like – we are simply formalizing a relationship that has already been communicated through culture, behaviour and word. Each of the people listed below have expressed loyalty and honour to Bobbie and I over many years and we are so excited to formalize this relationship and develop the opportunity to pour more of ourselves into their own leadership development. The Hillsong Family members will each be contributing to Hillsong’s global mission endeavours in various forms. These churches see Hillsong as their primary, but certainly not their only relationship or family.
Not to be mistaken, HILLSONG CHURCH is a single church with 12 global expressions. Hillsong Churches are campuses that were initially planted from Hillsong Sydney, whose Senior Pastors are Bobbie and I and whose Lead Pastors are encouraged in local initiative while outworking mutual mission and purpose within a greater framework.
The HILLSONG NETWORK is also still an incredibly valued part of our story.
We are more committed than ever to the churches in our Hillsong Network and excited to continue developing new, life-giving resources and connection – stepping up the meaningful interaction we have so enjoyed over the years. The Hillsong Network, however, is not a spiritual covering but a renewable membership; and a company of people embracing our cities and nations with the love, hope and goodness of a compassionate and faithful God as we gather annually to encourage one another.
HILLSONG’S HEART continues to be towards championing the cause of local churches EVERYWHERE – a mission and mandate we take seriously and will continue to outwork through our conferences, global worship projects and local campuses.
We have so many dear friends in ministry – some churches that we are incredibly close with, whose Pastors I see more as mentors and are not included on this list. There are also (intentionally) no other Australian churches currently on this list. However, as time moves on, we will extend the invitation for the HILLSONG FAMILY to other churches and ministries.
I am excited to watch what God will do as the HILLSONG FAMILY churches begin to work together and as we encourage our congregations towards a common vision; unite to participate in existing partnerships, global projects, missions and aid initiatives. I truly believe that when we unify, we have even greater impact.
I hope you will join me in welcoming the newest members of our family; and check out this webpage for more information on any of these churches and their ongoing ministries.
Source: Brian Houston, Hillsong, http://www.hillsong.com/family/about-hillsong-family, Accessed 09/02/2015.
CALVARY KENDALL STATEMENT
Her is the statement from Calvary Kendall about Pedro Garcia and his wife:
Calvary | Congregation Statement
Some of you may be aware that Pedro and Lourdes Garcia have been absent from public ministry since February 2016. While there has been no marital infidelity or misuse of church funds, we came to realize that there were lifestyle issues that were not consistent with the scriptural standards for those who lead the church and which disqualifies Pedro and Lourdes from public ministry at Calvary Kendall at this time. The scriptural standards by which we hold our pastoral staff accountable can be found in I Peter 5:1-5, I Tim. 3:1-7, and Titus 1:6-9.
The leadership and Board of Calvary have been working with Pedro and his family to take practical steps towards restoration. We hope and pray that with time, we will be able to see fruits of restoration.
While it is our hope that Pedro will be restored to service in ministry, Because of the disqualification for service the Board had no other choice but to remove Pedro as Senior Pastor. The Board and Staff Leadership are in agreement that this is the best course of action for the church. This will allow the church to move forward with the New Testament principle to fulfill the vision of reaching the lost, helping the hurting, and building the church locally and globally.
The leadership is focused on the health and integrity of the family of believers at Calvary Kendall as well as the spiritual health and restoration of the Garcia family.
Pedro was the founding Pastor of this church and his investment and commitment over the years to this Church is deeply appreciated. For this, we will be forever grateful. His selflessness gave way to the creation of a platform that was centered on Christ and not just one man.
We remain committed to Pedro and Lourdes’ restoration to ministry and what lies ahead in terms of service is in God’s hands.
In all of these matters, the Board and pastoral leadership have sought to act in grace, wisdom and love in this situation and will continue to do so.
The future of Calvary Kendall continues to be clear and certain with leadership, solid teaching and a strong vision to fulfill its mission of bringing people to life through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We believe Jesus is building the Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. We are grateful for all of our teams, leaders and volunteers, and together we will continue to build this Church. We are a community; a family and we will continue to lift up the name of Jesus in Kendall, Miami, and across the globe. We press on because the harvest is ready and Calvary will continue to do what it has always done for the building of the Kingdom, and we believe that the best is still yet to come.
Pastor JP will continue to lead the staff in day-to-day operations and serve as the church’s Executive Pastor. Pastor Alex Sagot will serve as the lead teaching pastor with a team of teachers to support the church.
We will continue as a Hillsong Family Church, and will be seeking their guidance and support working through this time in our church. We are thankful for their support during this process and look forward to a long lasting relationship.
We ask that the congregation of the church remain faithful. Please avoid any speculation and be confident that the leadership team that has been part of this church for many years remains intact.
Please join us in lifting the Garcia family in prayer. We all love them deeply and are convinced that their future is bright.
Let’s continue to keep our eyes on Jesus, our Lord, who has promised to build His church and who will continue to enable our pursuit of the mission and vision of Calvary Kendall.“
Source: CalvaryConnect, http://calvaryconnect.com/Up-and-coming/congregation-statement, Accessed 01/08/2016.
EMERGENTWATCH BREAK THE STORY
Below, EmergentWatch broke the story of Ps Pedro Garcia and his wife for being removed. EmergentWatch writes,
Pedro Garcia Removed From Calvary Kendall Pastorate
“A recent comment on my EmergentWatch.com blog has informed me that Pastor Pedro Garcia, of Calvary Kendall, has been removed from his position as head pastor, on account of : “Lifestyle issues that were not consistent with the scriptural standards…”. Not sure how long the statement has been posted, but from responses I was getting on my blog, it seems many people were unaware of what had happened. The comment on my blog says that Pedro was “caught doing drugs and abusing alcohol”. If this is true, it fits the category of “lifestyle issues” vs. other types of ‘issues’.
See: http://calvaryconnect.com/Up-and-coming/congregation-statement
In any case, I feel very sad for the congregation(s) of Pedro’s affiliated churches; Especially as some people weren’t even aware that (apx. 2 yrs. ago) what used to a Calvary Chapel affiliate morphed into a “Hillsong Family Church”! Also around this time – in a thoroughly un-biblical move – Pedro had his wife ordained as a co-pastor.
The church statement continues: “While it is our hope that Pedro will be restored to service in ministry, Because of the disqualification for service the Board had no other choice but to remove Pedro as Senior Pastor. The Board and Staff Leadership are in agreement that this is the best course of action for the church”.
It is my hope that the church board and leadership would realize that the ‘Best course of Action” would be to dis-affiliate from Hillsong and return to biblical foundations.
Also see my EW video here: https://emergentwatch.com/2016/01/19/calvary-chapel-alert-pedro-garcia-double-agent-in-the-church/
Source: Published by 4philemon, Pedro Garcia Removed From Calvary Kendall Pastorate, Eublished 30/07/2016. (Accessed 01/08/2016.)
Hillsong Church Watch 
Hard to call this a “family” when the head of it is a heretic & a dictator!
You guys are doing a great job.Keep it up.
I love people who are judgemental and condemning.That’s the true Biblical spirit.After all ,without the Pharisees the Jesus story would have been incomplete. You are doing a fantastic job.
“I love people who are judgemental and condemning.”
Then you must be a very big fan of Brian Houston (since hes completely condemning of true Christians who actually do try to follow the Bible).
However Brian Houston is NOT one of the Lord’s people.
He DISTORTS the Scriptures with his false teachings in order to USE the Lord’s people.
He LIES to the Lord’s people. (And is a BAD liard at that since he can never keep his false stories straight.)
He has gotten RICH off the Lord’s people.
Do NOT be ignorant and simple minded and so gullible and so undiscerning.
ROMANS 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
EPHESIANS 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Brian Houston is a HUCKSTER making MERCHANDISE of the Gospel.
He also LIED about tithing.
He has also sold his LYING books.
He teaches a false “gospel”.
He is TREACHEROUS.
2 CORINTHIANS 2:17 You see, we are not like the many hucksters who preach for personal profit. We preach the word of God with sincerity and with Christ’s authority, knowing that God is watching us.
Yeah ..but not as much as I love this blog whose job description is identical to that of Pharisee dudes.
Identical? http://www.gotquestions.org/Sadducees-Pharisees.html
However… if rejecting Hillsong through complete unbelief in Hillsong and seeking to rescue naive Christians from Hillsong makes me a Pharisee according to Hillsong then I am prepared to be labelled a Pharisee if only Hillsongees are calling me that name.
In fact as proud as when an online Scientologist called me a Suppressive Person one time.
Zeeboo
Just picture Jesus in the temple and what He did to the money changers, and what He said to the Pharisees (i.e. the ones who were selling junk in His house and big shot leaders who were leading the people to hell). He wasn ‘t mealy mouthed with those vipers.
That’s all these guys are doing here – that same type of work for God.
“Grace is the answer yeah?”
If false teachers use this as a license to promote sinfulness, lawlessness and criminality, not at all!
This is why biblically illiterate Christians (who are really not Christians at all) are such a threat to Christianity: they prostitute themselves before men and follow their desires rather be disciples of Jesus.
Grace is only grace if you appreciate and receive the gift of grace. People like Garcia and Houston are nothing more than non-believers, using Christianity to live their best life now. These men are goats and are not of Christ’s flock.
Don’t get angry with us for stating this – Christ is very clear who He says are His and who He says isn’t.
“People like Garcia and Houston are nothing more than non-believers”
So true, they are counterfeit ‘christians’. Just like all their on-stage associates at all their counterfeit ‘christian’ conferences — steven selfish furtick, judah jumbled-up smith, bill bogus johnson, robert rollin-in-dough morris, ed egotistical young jr, etc.
Theres nothing real about any of them, theyre all abunch of phonies.
Its amazing people still fall for all these clowns.
ZeeBoo
Don’t blame me! Take Jesus to task for His behaviour in the temple! I’m just copying Him ( but without the violence). ” Be imitators of me as I am an imitator of Christ’. Yeah?
Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’[a] but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’[b]”
Imagine if Jesus entered Hillsong this week and upturned the “resources” table and yelled at the leaders for misusing his house.
Brian would have called him a ‘hater’ and called security forthwith- don’t you think, yeah?
“Brian would have called him a ‘hater’ and called security forthwith- don’t you think, yeah?”
Yes. Brian Houston hates Jesus, this is obvious because liar fake-christian Brian Houston disregards Jesus’ Word.
http://pulpitandpen.org/2016/08/11/hillsong-and-pedophilia-cover-ups-galore-down-under/
“Live Love Lead LIE.”
In that link, that’s a good HONEST RE-name for Brian Houston’s book.
Who in their right mind would EVER buy a book by this dishonest man brian c houston??
It baffles the mind. It truly does.
Whomsoever has any sense whatsoever…. STAY AWAY FROM SUCH A MAN.
Do not even give him 1 small opportunity to pollute your mind with his garbage.
They follow after all things Hillsong because they are brainwashed to believe that millions of backsides on seats, tens of millions of dollars pouring into Brian’s hands, flashy music performances and glitzy, glamourous stage shows are evidence of the Holy Spirit. They see those things as God’s of Brian’s ministry. So what if Brian protects paedophiles or pockets huge chunks of the money? Nobody’s perfect yeah? Look at all the good he’s doing , yeah?
“We want to help you find the best group that works for you!”
No they don’t. Enough with all the lies. Brian wants to make money. Hillsong wants to make money. They want your money.
“Sounds like most churches doesn’t it?
Is this not where the heart of the church is?”
Not hardly.
No most churches weren’t formed by paedophiles and paedophile protectors.
No most churches aren’t after your money.
Stop pushing their lies ZeeBoo.
“So what do you suggest Brian Should be doing?”
stop from calling Hillsong a “church”
We don’t need to go to Hillsong. We need to listen to Jesus in Matthew 7. The fruit is rotten at Hillsong and you’ve fallen for their sheep-skin disguise.
“Is this not where the heart of the church is?”
No. The church exists to preach Christ and Him crucified. The church is not about your best life now and finding your purpose. Those are Prosperity or Purpose-Driven cults.
And this is sure proof that you cannot tell the difference between the teachings/fruit of Christianity and the teachings/fruit of cults.
In answer to your first question, Brian Houston needs to become a Christian first before he can preach.
ZeeBoo
So we just let paedophiles run rampart in the church ( like Brian did) because God can bring good out of evil? Yeah?
Incidentally I was a Hillsong (CL C) lay pastor for about 10 years and heavily involved in Hillsong missions work, and to answer your question about what Brian should be doing – in a nutshell : teach what Jesus taught, follow in his footsteps, rightly dividing the word……oh there’s so much I could add here but you read the bible and it will tell you ! It’s not about how to protect paedophiles, raise millions of dollars from Gods people for lavish lifestyles, or put on Vegas style entertainment shows.
zeeboo you really seem confused.Are you supporting hillsong or opposing them?You’ve created confusion in the comments section.Can you be clear?
“Educate yourself.”
ZeeBoo.. pls put your money where your mouth is and now demonstrate that you have educated yourself on Brian Houston.
1. What is YOUR OPINION of Brian Houston. (ESPECIALLY does he correctly teach the Word of God or not? Yes he does or No he doesn’t.)
2. GIVE FACTS to back up your opinion.
Thx in advance.
“When you can do this your personal relationship with God can only get better.”
So is your relationship with God up a certain creek without a paddle?
Because you can’t seem to tell the difference between light and darkness; what is of God and what is of Satan. What Paul said to the Corinthian church can be applied to you – you put up with Satan and his false Jesus, gospel and spirit easily enough. Don’t lecture us on your hypocrisy if you are beguiled by fraudulent ministries.
So what is the definition of being saved?
That is a good question for you ZeeBoo. Can you answer your own question? If not, then what does that say about yourself? What is the Gospel ZeeBoo? Brian does not know it, consequentially he does not teach it. Dont you even know it? That is only the starting point. If you dont know that then you dont know anything. Hmmmm?
Appears like you are high on making opinionated commentss, but low on supplying any useful information.
What is the Gospel ZeeBoo?
“Jimmie just for you. That is how can you be saved Jimmie.”
As if I didnt know.
Not thorough at all.
Wheres your answers for everybody else? to: church watcher, boris, debra? You dont seem to know much of anything.
An why cannot you discern right from wrong?
do you realize your answers are not much better than brians honestly. Pathetic really.
An you have been too selective in the quesrtions you can answer, Too many gaps in your knowledge the whole time ive been reading your posts.
“Feel free to share what else is required.”
dont play dumb. answer all the questions from everybidy.how many times do i have to say it. stop selecting which questions to answer & which ones to avoid.
zeeboo you have made such a weak effort answering peoples questions it is laughable an continues to display your astoundngly blatant ignorance
Jimmie,
“zeeboo you have made such a weak effort answering peoples questions it is laughable an continues to display your astoundngly blatant ignorance”
He answered your question. The least you could do is respond politely. Politeness does not exist on this blog.
You just attack it with “Not thorough at all.”
It looks thorough enough to me. Oh you saying CARM is not thorough enough for you? That’s where the definition looks to have come from. You don’t know what you believe you even attack definitions from your own side of the fence.
You just comment for controversy.
Hey churchwatcher – how come you let this guy troll comment – but ban others? Isn’t Jimmie a troll under YOUR definition?
Typical attack from the GOATS hanging out with Churchwatcher.
Greg – a reminder of the “house rules”
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Say what you like about us; disagree as strongly as you like; beat us up or slap us around verbally with near-total impunity. But keep within the parameters of Christian civility. We’ll automatically delete comments with profane or unwholesome words, including abbreviated or otherwise disguised ones.
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6. Don’t feed the trolls.
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Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
ZeeBoo – if you want to comment on a ChurchWatch Central article, do it over there.
Cheers, Team Churchwatch.
“Jimmie,
“zeeboo you have made such a weak effort answering peoples questions it is laughable an continues to display your astoundngly blatant ignorance”
He answered your question. The least you could do is respond politely. Politeness does not exist on this blog.
You just attack it with “Not thorough at all.”
It looks thorough enough to me. Oh you saying CARM is not thorough enough for you? That’s where the definition looks to have come from. You don’t know what you believe you even attack definitions from your own side of the fence.
You just comment for controversy.
Hey churchwatcher – how come you let this guy troll comment – but ban others? Isn’t Jimmie a troll under YOUR definition?
Typical attack from the GOATS hanging out with Churchwatcher.”
gregg this is gettin annoying. you are getting annoying. you are a worse than zeeboo. first off you dont even know what “hypocrite” means. christians maybe were born as hypocrites but now you are supposed to grow as christian and change. which you havent done. everyone else here has including me and churchwatcher.
second DID NOT READF my posts AGAIN. READ. i said he did not ansewr EVERYBODYS posts. THAT was what wasnot thorough. he only returns comments to 1 of every 3 posts to him! just like you! because you both have no answers. all you do is just fingerpointing. worse, you dont finger point at brian houston the biggest liar of all.
YOU TWO are the trolls greg. you came here to cause trouble, not me. i am not the “TROLL”. in fact you two are trolling the CHURCH.
dont tell me i dont know what i believe on CARM, im not talking about CARM. it is you who doesnt know ANYTHING including the BIBLE! just like your father the liar brian c houston. thats NOT controversy its FACT and all clearly DOCUMENTED here!
YOU TWO are the GOATS.
also your stupid statements “were all hypocrites”, no we are not! some of us practice what we preach, but NOT YOU. by your logic paul was a hypocrite too and therefore he should not even have written the new testament! how stupid! we ARE called to speak out and be the light of the world not shut up!
go grow up.
ps: what i said had NOTHING to do with CARM. how dense was your comment. unbelievably pathetic dude.
last, NEWSFLASH for YOU: stop getting 5 responses and responding to 1 sentence out of 5 posts to you. your far far worse than zeeboo.
Suggesting that God is a liar and a hypocrite is blasphemy and says a lot about your relationship with God ZeeBoo. You are proof that the fruit of Hillsong is rotten.
“Suggesting that God cannot bring good from evil is limiting God.”
So by your own admission — Hillsong is evil.
You took Joseph’s words (who is pictured as a type of Christ), and applied them to Frank. In other words, you twisted God’s Word to paint Frank Houston as some divine figure.
NEWS FLASH: Joseph was no paedophile.
Joseph WAS called by God to go to Egypt.
Frank Houston was never called by God to Australia to start CLC/Hillsong.
The evil was done to Joseph so that Joseph could save His people.
The evil committed by Frank was to further his own worldly passions.
Frank was never qualified to pastor, to preach or even start a church. That man was a complete and utter fraud through-and-through. And he knew it. Yet you have the audacity to suggest “God cannot bring good from evil is limiting God?”
Woe to you for calling good evil and evil good.
God can turn the lives of sinners around. However, Frank didn’t want Jesus. He just wanted Jesus’ name so he could live the life he wanted. He is the classic fraud Jesus warns his sheep about in Matthew 7 and Matthew 24. Frank simply wanted his name in lights. He got his best life now – and in the last years of his life, he was still using god (and money) to silence his victims and died not knowing if he was going to heaven or hell.
That’s the tragic life of a false teacher. Evil flourished and good men did nothing – because Hillsong doesn’t produce good men, only yes men. And this is why Frank’s son is is now in trouble with the Royal Commission.
So what you said is flat out false. Hillsong is a classic example of “error begets error.” Just look at Brian’s kids. They are too dependent on their dad’s name to make it in the real world. They can’t see past their own noses to even consider the victims of their father and their father’s father.
So God is no hypocrite or liar. His word is true. As Paul Washer stated, ‘Twist not scripture, lest ye be like Satan’.
“So suppose if just one person who is a non-Christian enters Hillsong and is saved.
Is this not good from evil or doesn’t it count?
Or is what you are saying is that every single person who attends Hillsong unsaved?”
Paul answers you very clearly ZeeBoo:
“But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.”
2 Cor 11:3-4
You’re no different to the Corinthians worshiping their Super Apostles.
What’s someone’s “continuationist versus cessationist” position got to do with Pastor Pedro being removed from his church by Hillsong?
Why have you felt the need to resort to a “look over there…. squirrel” tactic?
Well said, Thinker. And if you asked them to clearly define both positions biblically, they would be woefully ignorant.
Cheers, Team Churchwatch.
ZeeBoo. You’re not even a Pentecostal. So you can figure out what you believe first before sledging Rosebrough. At least Pentecostals and Lutherans can argue their position.
At least research Christianity before dismissing it.
“Chapter and verse churchwatcher that says I need to be labelled ‘Pentecostal’ or Lutheran.”
You don’t need to be either ZeeBoo. You are accepted regardless. You can’t do any ‘works’ to be saved.
Only on this website you need to be either a Pentecostal or Lutheran.
So Baptists, Evangelical Free, Anglican and Reformed haven’t been commenting here for years?
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
Pentecostals and Lutherans fall under the category of Christian, since they uphold the essentials of the Christian faith and continue to protest and reform the church under Christ’s authority. Charismatics don’t – since they reject Sola Scriptura and embrace Sola Apostola.
People like yourself are undoing the Reformation and are denying the teachings of Christ. Join Rome already and leave Christianity alone.
Cessationisn and continuationism has absolutely nothing to do with Pedro Garcia and his removal from Calvary Kendall.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
“I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity.
Unlike this website.”
Incorrect statement from a clueless individual.
This website is all about unity — but as is demanded by the Bible it is over the CORRECT things.
Your lying god Brian Houston is all about unity — with Rome and other liars/lies.
Seriously ZeeBoo? Drugs and alcohol = cessationisn and continuationism?
The pastor (Pedro Garcia in this case) must be a man whose character is unimpeachable, a man of good character and reputation.
Qualifications for elders (pastors):
1 Timothy 3:2 “Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach…”
Titus 1:5–7 “This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you — if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain…”
There should not be even a hint of scandal or inappropriate behavior that would bring shame to the body of Christ. Pedro Garcia failed in his office as pastor, bringing shame upon himself with his own selfishness, putting his greedy desires above that of love for those he was meant to serve.
Cheers, Team Churchwatch.
“The MOST important issue on the heart of Jesus when He prayed for us was “that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity.”
Which “they” is that ZeeBoo, Born Again Christians and the Pope?
Like I said, you are so clueless it’s not even funny.
“I will type it again for those that missed it the first time.”
And you seem to miss a lot of things others type.
Not to mention you miss a lot of things in the Bible.
Is that on purpose?
Good question. Why do you think that’s happening, ZeeBoo?
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
“Imagine the difference that would make. Imagine that.”
How about imagine if you could answer everyone’s questions. But you can’t. Because you don’t know the Bible nor do you know Right vs Wrong.
Imagine that.
So…… why are you even posting for??
Why don’t you be constructive and point out errors in our article? Did we misquote anyone?
We would like to hear your thoughts on this article Zeeboo:
https://churchwatchcentral.com/2016/04/12/applying-occams-razor-to-evangelicalism/
Pedro disqualified himself from the pastorate, leading a double life for a long time. Despite being counseled, helped etc, he disgraced the pulpit. It’s not the fault of the leaders trying to keep the church afloat after Pedro himself acted out in front of many. Typical addict behavior is to blame others and not accept responsibility. Christianity without consequences is the mindset of the Pedro followers. Enough! God will not be mocked.
“Now imagine that? Imagine what prayer might do?”
why don’t you start reading the Bible zee boo. imagine what that might do for your responses (and lack thereof).
“If you are so concerned about the behaviour of others why don’t you put a PRAYER wall on the side of your blog that actually allows people to pray for all these people that you are warning others about.”
Your prayer thingy is nothing more than your latest deflection tactic.
“If you are so concerned about the behaviour of others why don’t you put a PRAYER wall on the side of your blog that actually allows people to pray for all these people that you are warning others about.
Now imagine that? Imagine what prayer might do?”
Young man, stop attempting to be another hillsong ‘apologist’ hijacking this website for your own selfish purposes, even as if it were your own.
No “PRAYER wall” on this website is necessary. >IF< you have the Holy Spirit, you can pray as you so feel led. Nobody requires some sort of a “PRAYER wall” for instruction.
Brian Houston nastily hijacks churches. You follow in his footsteps by trying to hijack websites.
The people here haven’t fallen for Brian’s tricks, and they won’t fall for yours either.
I hear Calvary Kendall now is better than ever with inspiring teachings, with an overflow for the overflow & many getting saved & baptized. Some of these new believers don’t even know or remember Pedro because, although he thought he was the only rock star that could fill the chairs, the church belonged to Jesus the whole time. To God be the glory!
“I hear Calvary Kendall now is better than ever with inspiring teachings, with an overflow for the overflow & many getting saved & baptized. ”
That’s meaningless if it’s based on rumour and false advertising. The church probably belongs to Hillsong now. Might want to check the fine print.
“Imagine the difference that would make. Imagine that.”
How about imagine if you could answer everyone’s questions. But you can’t. Because you don’t know the Bible nor do you know Right vs Wrong.
“Churchwatcher, if only your website was full of pray for pastors, leaders, preachers or men of God who struggle around the world today and full of encouragement for others to do the same and participate online instead of what it currently does.”
@ZeeBoo, Here is the problem with your logic / your wish.
What you are pleading for, is for the Church Watchers to abandon the truth found in God’s Word, in exchange for the lies of Brian Houston / Hillsong. You are, in effect, speaking for the Devil. You have completely underestimated / misunderstood the Church Watchers. They will *never* compromise their integrity, their consciences, and their commitment to Jesus and His Word and their multiple websites’ many readers. It has been proven they would not compromise to attain your “cheap thrill” for any amount of money or accolades.
Praise God there are people like them within the Body of Christ who will not bow to false idols.
How old are you ZeeBoo?
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
ZeeBoo’s last three comments (still in moderation) have clearly identified him/her as a troll. If (or when) he/she wants to address the article topic biblically, his/her comments will be be approved.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
“ZeeBoo’s last three comments (still in moderation) have clearly identified him/her as a troll.”
It is a shame these hillsong persons always have to be so obnoxious,a nd completey unruly, argumentative. Furthermore with nothing to ever back up any of their claims. In comparison, Churchwatch always provides numerous FACTS, video clip PROOF, direct QUOTES, DOCUMENTATION, etc….
Does not give a good reflection on Brian Houston, not a good witness either.
Not sure what these “visitors” are trying to exactly accomplish? Especially when they regularly argue against the Scriptures, of which they evidently seem to know little of anyway.
None of this bodes well for Hillsong “Church” really imho.
“ZeeBoo’s last three comments (still in moderation) have clearly identified him/her as a troll. If (or when) he/she wants to address the article topic biblically, his/her comments will be be approved.”
What are the comments about?
Bit unfair not to let people have their say. It doesn’t look good does it?
Sounds a bit like a dictatorship. Hey hang on – isn’t that what you are accusing Brian of?
Greg – ZeeBoo is hijacking the article and disrupting normal on-topic discussion. It’s called trolling.
Cheers, Team ChurchWatch.
“It doesn’t look good does it?”
Like all of your comments Greg. Frankly none of your comments have ever looked good / sensible at all. Emergent yes, but sensible no. And without Bible knowledge. Just argumentation from a rebellious attitude.
“No I’m not. The truth is you get silenced on this blog when you get too close to the truth.”
Actually, you ZeeBoo wouldn’t know the truth even if it bit you in the rear end.
You can’t tell the difference between Truth and Error.
And now YOU are trying to (in your own words mate) ‘hide behind the veil of discernment’.
Quite the hypocrite YOU are there, ZeeBoo, lol.
D. Cherry said:
“Quite the hypocrite YOU are there, ZeeBoo, lol.”
Yes D. Cherry – a hypocrite just like all of us.
NEWSFLASH JUST FOR YOU: That is why we need to look to Jesus. (Instead of making poor comments on a hypocritical blog).
“Yes D. Cherry – a hypocrite just like all of us.
NEWSFLASH JUST FOR YOU: That is why we need to look to Jesus. (Instead of making poor comments on a hypocritical blog).”
No. As usual you Greg make very misleading comments as does ZeeBoo. 1-There is a process called “Sanctification” you have completely forgotten about, CW & I care about it but you & ZeeBoo couldn’t care less. 2-There is also some have been studying the Word of God developing the mind of Christ, while most (like you & ZeeBoo) dont’. 3-There is obedience to the Word of God, which many emergents & pro-lgbt ‘Christians’ like you disobey. 4-There is taking up one’s cross daily also, again apparently another complete failure for both you & ZeeBoo. 5-Some VOLUNTARILY CHOOSE to endorse & follow False Prophets/Teachers such as you & ZeeBoo, but many of us who actually do care what the Bible says & do try to follow it DO NOT DO. 6-Then theres the False Unity issue which You & ZeeBoo also could not care less about.
So in spite of your FUTILE efforts to group everyone into the same deficient category, some of us actually DO care/do what the Bible teaches, and some DON’T. CW does & I do, but you & ZeeBoo couldn’t care less.
1 for 3:14-15 — “14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.”
So much for your nasty ‘NEWSFLASH’ which was just another another ‘poor comment’ from you. I will ignore any more of your stupid comments, because they are not worth the effort and I am too busy for your ridiculous nonsense, or ZeeBoo’s. AND I have more interesting/beneficial things to do.
Zeboo, read whole passage.
Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 ****And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.***
Note last verse. That requires the church to be one that seeks to please God more than man.
Therefore, they must have high moral standards and sound judgement to carry out the necessary church discipline on a sinner who has remained unrepentant despite numerous rebukes from different people.
Are you demonstrating those moral characteristics by your blind support of Hillsong -YES or NO?
“D Cherry what Greg is trying to say is that everyone is a hypocrite. Him, me, you.
Matthew 18 comes to mind.”
ZeeBoo, You missed the WHOLE POINT of my long post. Done with you both.
Examples of why we moderate ZeeBoo, when his/her agenda is to promote conflict and deflect from the topics at hand.
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Examples of why we moderate ZeeBoo, when his/her agenda is to promote conflict and deflect from the topics at hand.
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Romans 16:18 “For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.”
1 John 4:1-6 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. …”
2 Corinthians 11:12-15 “And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 1And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.”
2 Peter 2:1 “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.”
You need to be more discerning ZeeBoo. Your biblical ignorance is showing.
http://www.piratechristian.com/messedupchurch/2016/2/the-brian-houston-hillsong-cornucopia-of-false-doctrine-abuse-obfuscation-and-money-generation
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