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Houston’s 2014 God-given “Vision” (Part 2): The Father, Son and “Pioneer Spirit”?

22 Thursday Jan 2015

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Before reading Brian Houston’s sermon, (printed in its entirety below), we think it wise for our readers to first read the following article.

Houston’s 2014 God-given “Vision” (Part 1): “New grace” scrutinised

The above article demonstrated that Brian Houston was deliberately and deceitfully using God and His infallibility to peddle his own pagan ideas as though they came from God’s infallible decree.

However, Brian Houston further used God through another means to control and groom people to embrace straight out wickedness. This article will try to expose the technique Brian Houston uses on his congregation. We will leave you with the full unedited sermon and the transcript. We had to transcribe this piece just in case Brian Houston and Hillsong try to hide their lies again.

HILLSONG FORCED TO DRINK A SPIRITUAL PEDOPHILIC  COCKTAIL?

The best way to think about the following sermon is to liken it to a spiritual cocktail.  The tasty and intoxicating ingredients used to make a drink may satisfy your pallet, but the potency of the cocktail can vary. Likewise, Brian Houston uses very manipulative tactics to undermine his church’s “Christian” ethics in order to portray his father, Frank Houston, in a divine light, the end result of which diminishes the glory of God.

To accomplish this task, Brian Houston “pours” Frank Houston, Hazel Houston, God, biblical characters, (including the Apostles), Hillsong members and himself into one big “Pioneer Spirits” cocktail. The problem with what Brian Houston does is that he portrays God and Frank Houston as being one and the same in spirit. This is God’s glory we are talking about. Why would God want his spirit being touted as the same spirit as a serial pedophile? Why would Hillsong members want their spirits seen as the same spirit of a child molester?

If anything, someone who has a “pioneering spirit” usually leaves their past behind them in order to search for something new. They want to start over, and probably for a very good reason. So why is Brian Houston so driven to have his church embrace the same “pioneering spirit” of his deceased pedophile father? Why go there at all?

At the 22 minute mark in the sermon video below you can see/hear Brian Houston showing/talking about Frank and Hazel Houston pioneering Hillsong/CLC church at Sherbrook Hall in Double Bay.

“they were in their mid 50s and they moved to Sydney and just in summer here in Australia… I went to the little hall in Double Bay, the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney, where they pioneered…

… So look at what big things, more than what we could have imagined at this point, came out of one little decision and a tiny little hall to pioneer, big things come out of a pioneering spirit, praise God that we have that opportunity in our own lives to believe God to see new and to see big things.”

From this point in the story, you can see the tactics Brian Houston is playing on his audience. Why would he compare his serial pedophile father (who had a pioneer spirit) to Jesus’ Apostles. From a Christian worldview, this is simply wicked and evil.

The point is that this cocktail is lethal. Brian Houston is encouraging people to drink this poison by tempting them with his tasty light shows and dramatic presentations. The audience has not realized that they too have drunk the dangerous idea that they are pioneering alongside a serial pedophile. And this is the cocktail that they are forced to drink. The cyanide is Brian Houston’s claim that God has given him a vision for his church, and if the congregants don’t drink it then they believe that they are refusing to believe God.

It is important to remember, there is nothing lawful using God as a means to hide or downplay the crimes of a serial pedophile. Brian Houston should be publicly shamed by Christianity for using God in such a way where he knows his “vision sermon” cannot be questioned. (Remember – you are not questioning Houston’s vision, you are questioning God’s vision.)

When you witness the cult-like control and brainwashing methods used in Hillsong sermons like this, it explains why you get Hillsong members defending Frank Houston. Pray that Brian Houston repents for his crimes against Christ and His Church.

TRANSCRIPT: Hillsong Church – Vision Sunday 2014 

[Words on screen] il-lu-sion – something that deceives the eye by appearing to be other than it is. Something that deceives by producing a false or misleading impression of reality.

[Words of screen] “The Drum Major Instinct” – Martin Luther King Jnr 1968

[Voice of Martin Luther King Jnr] ‘That is deep down in all of us, an instinct, It’s a kind of drum major instinct. A desire to be out front, a desire to lead the parade, a desire to be first. This quest for recognition, this desire for attention, this desire for distinction, is the basic impulse, the basic drive of human life. This Drum Major instinct. Oh I see… you want to be first? You want to be great? You want to be important? You want to be significant? Well you ought to be!’

[Words on screen] There’s far more here than meets the eye…

The things we see now are here today, gone tomorrow. But the things we can’t see now will last forever. 2 Cor 4:18 (The Message)

[Voice of Martin Luther King Jnr] ‘Oh, I see you want to be first, you want to be great, you want to be important, you want to be significant, well you ought to be! Don’t give up this instinct; it’s a good instinct if you use it right. Keep feeling the need for being important. So Jesus gave us a new norm of greatness if you want to be important, wonderful, if you want to be recognized, wonderful, if you want to be great wonderful, but recognize that he who is greatest among you shall be a servant. That’s a new definition of greatness.

Keep feeling the need for being first; but I want you to be first in love. Yes you want to say that I was a drum major, say that I was a drum major for justice and say that I was a drum major for peace, I was a drum major for righteousness.

Yes, Jesus, I want to be on your right or your left side, not for any selfish reason. I want to be on your right or your left side, not in terms of some political kingdom or ambition. But I just want to be there in love and in justice and in truth and in commitment to others, so that we can make of this old world a new world.

 [Words on screen] Whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, And to give his life as a ransom for many. Mark 10:43-45 NIV

[Words on screen] In 1978 a young couple left their homeland of New Zealand and settled in Australia. By 1983 they pioneered a new church in the Hills District of Sydney. Today we live in the legacy of all that God has done.

[Voice over] ‘When has so much come from so little? The least and unlikely wed, the untested and unqualified. We were pioneers, going where not many have gone.’

[Footage of Brian Houston 1984] ‘We have so much to thank the Lord for and my wife and I have been involved in pioneering churches before and God just gave us a burning vision for the Hills and for the Western suburbs and the Northern districts of Sydney and by the grace of God I’m believing to see a mighty revival in this part of the city.’

[Voice over] ‘It was never about making something for ourselves and building monuments of legacy.’

 [Brian Houston voice over] ‘When we started this church, I was having to work overtime and extra time cleaning shop front windows and I would scrap up enough for us to pay our rent, so we could go into small towns preaching and teaching. The cost seemed so small when there was the joy of serving Jesus Christ.’

[Voice over] ‘For we didn’t do this and we never could have. We merely followed the path of the original one. If our past is a shadow of our future and a whisper of those things yet to come, then it’s only once walked that you can look back and clearly see all that He has done.’

[Brian Houston voice over] ‘I love the idea of not just pioneering once, Bobbie and I pioneered a church 30 years ago. But living with the spirit of a pioneer, we are always wanting to re-invent, you’re always believing for new things, where your always wanting to look ahead’

[Voice over] ‘These are the days for the everyone, the brave and afraid, those who wonder in the mystery, unmoved in the unknown. Still we cast our nets out into the deep. For these outposts of grace, we pioneer and pioneer again. We do not go alone, for the few are joined by the many, and the many moved by one and pioneer again.’

[Words on screen] Be alert, be present I’m about to do something brand new. It’s bursting out! Don’t you see it? There it is! I’m making a road through the desert, rivers in the badland. Isaiah 43:12 MSG

[HOUSTON STARTS “PREACHING”]

Thank you Jesus! You’ve set me free.

Happy New Year, I haven’t seen most of you yet this year so big and Happy new year to everyone. 2014 a great time to pioneer again.

We’re just linking right now not just around Australia with all our campuses. [Kisses tech guy & laughs] Just a loving pastor, just a pastor’s heart, but indeed all around the world.

Right now we are linking to 102 services across the day, in 46 locations and in 16 countries. So I guess that’s come a long way from a little school hall in the North Western suburbs of Sydney.

So a big hi to all our locations globally, of course Australia, where ever you are, I know where Australia is, I meant where abouts in Australia that you are. In London, in Amsterdam, in Copenhagen, Stockholm, Kiev and Moscow, Germany, Paris, Barcelona, South Africa, Cape Town and Pretoria and the USA, New York City and in times to come, prophetically Los Angeles. Pioneering again.

So praise God for every single one of you. [Prays] Father I thank you that you build your Church and the gates of Hell will not, cannot, shall not prevail against it. Lord I thank you that where ever people are gathered today around the name of Jesus, those who are part of Hillsong Church, those who are visiting today they’re important to you. Lord you have a purpose and you have a plan for every life and Lord you have a purpose and a plan for every room of this house of God. We thank you for all you have done, we thank you for what you are doing, we thank you for what you are about to do. Lord I pray that we will always keep that raw pioneering spirit. Not looking back, but looking forward and to all that’s ahead. We thank you for that opportunity, in Jesus name, Amen.

The Bible’s full of pioneers, I want to speak for a few minutes about a pioneering spirit. The original pioneer whose name is God, who pioneered the heavens and the earth. Throughout the Old Testament, you have Noah who pioneered boating, unfortunately, Adam and Eve who pioneered sin.

I wonder what in our lives we will pioneer. You have the chance in your own family perhaps, to pioneer a new generation. There are people you will be first generations, followers of Jesus Christ, for some maybe, historically, in your lineage, in your family, maybe just long line of divorce or a long line of abuse or a long line of alcoholism or some other thing that’s bound generations and you can be a pioneer of a brand new day that changes not only your children but the generations to come.

Pioneering can be for us each individually, where we pioneer constantly in terms of the Will of God in our life and it may be in your career, your ministry, your home, your family, in your dream, whatever it is, never lose that looking forward pioneering spirit.

Bobbie and I pioneered a church 30 years ago along with a team of people, some of whom are still with us today. And I’ve got in my hand a little card that we handed out in Australia, it says on here established 83, that’s when it was, 30 years ago and I’m so excited that we have never lost that pioneering spirit and were are talking now after 30 years about the next 30 and more and we’re talking about pioneering again.

Where ever you are around the globe pioneering, you can think of people who have been innovative. Here in Australia in the early 1980’s there was a Dr, his name was Victor Chang. And Victor Chang, if you were to Google his name, it calls him a heart transplantation pioneer. He was literally amongst the world’s leading transplant pioneers. Unfortunately in 1991, through a failed extortion attempt, he was murdered, he lost his life, but he was a pioneer.

I grew up in New Zealand, New Zealand was pioneered, it was discovered by a Dutch explorer, for all our Amsterdam campus, a Dutch explorer called Able Tasman. Able Tasman, he found Moraceous, a little drop in the Indian Ocean, he found New Zealand a beautiful country but not exactly the biggest place on earth, he found Tasmania, but he missed something really big, he missed Australia mainland and he missed the biggest island in the world and in fact the only one continent, sorry one county/continent in the world, but he pioneered again. And pioneering again, he came across the North West coast of mainland Australia; he came across something really big.

If we ever lose that pioneering spirit, I wonder what big thing we would never know we missed out on this side of eternity. If you ever lose that raw edge that pioneering spirit, I wonder what big things God has for you, in Jesus name. So it’s in the DNA of Hillsong Church, we are a pioneering church. Not always by having to do new things but by finding God doing fresh things, by just doing what we’ve always been called to do, which is build his church. See people connect to Jesus, disciple people, see people grow in terms of God’s purposes for their lives, it’s amazing how that doesn’t have to get stale because within it there can be that great sense always, a moving forward and pioneering which I love.

1977, my parents, they were in their mid 50s and they moved to Sydney and just in summer here in Australia, over Christmas I went for a ride on my motor bike around the Eastern Suburbs, which I don’t get too much chance to do these days and I went to the little hall in Double Bay, the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney, where they pioneered. There may be a picture we can put on your screens, there it is. That was called Eastern Suburbs Christian Life Centre. It’s interesting to me how it’s got across the doors ‘Local History Centre’, that where in many ways it all started.

There was one Sunday, in that building, if you look at it again where the care taker never turned up so there were no steel bars on the window in those days so we managed to get the window open and put a chair down their so every single person who came to church had to stand on a chair and climb through a window to get into church and then had to get back out the window and onto the chair to leave church. They were raw, rough pioneering days.

There’s something powerful about pioneering days. Eastern Suburbs Christian Life Centre became Sydney Christian Life Centre, about five and a half years later Bobbie and I, we moved out to this area where I stand right now in the North Western suburbs of Sydney and established Hills Christian Life Centre, we became Hillsong Church.

So look at what big things, more than what we could have imagined at this point, came out of one little decision and a tiny little hall to pioneer, big things come out of a pioneering spirit, praise God that we have that opportunity in our own lives to believe God to see new and to see big things.

The New Testament is just a story of a whole lot of pioneers. As the New Testament Church is established, it starts in Acts Chapter 1 verse 8, you know when you go to the movies, I don’t know what you think about the trailers but sometimes you feel like they are giving you the whole movie, and so it’s like a short, short sight of everything that’s coming. And that’s what Acts chapter 1 verse 8 is to the whole of the book of Acts, it’s called the Acts of the Apostles, it’s actually some of the acts of some of the Apostles. Because the Acts of the Apostles still is going on around the globe today.

As the Church of Jesus Christ is established, as the Will of God, the Kingdom of God is advanced, but Acts Chapter 1 verse 8 is just in one little snap shot of everything that is about to follow throughout the whole book of Acts. It says ‘you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you’ and ‘you shall be witnesses for me in Jerusalem, in Judea and Samaria and ultimately to the ends of the earth.

It’s like concentric circles when you through a rock into a pond, stepping out from Jerusalem further, further, further. And you read through the book of Acts and that’s what you start seeing happen. What starts in Jerusalem spreads to Judea, then Acts chapter 8 Phillip goes to the city of Samaria or a city in Samaria and preaches Christ and the whole city is impacted and the Bible says there’s great joy in that city. And by Acts chapter 10 Cornelius speaks to a Gentile, who then represented what was then known as the ends of the earth.

And really it’s never stopped. Still the work of the Lord goes forward, as hear I sand right now at the ends of the earth, if you ignore New Zealand, Tasmania and Moraceous. Preaching the Gospel, the good news of Jesus.

Pioneering spirit, God does big things with a pioneering sprit. Four things I want you to think about when it comes to pioneering. Here they are, the first thing:-

1. A pioneer takes territory previous considered uninhabitable and realises its potential.

That’s pretty awesome; the thought of what was previously uninhabitable, Phillip takes the gospel to Samaria. While the Samaritans the Samarians they, they were considered compromised Jews. Through mixed breading, Jews mixed with Gentiles. So because they were seen as compromised they were seen as outsiders.

And suddenly as Phillip goes to Samaria with the spirit of a pioneer, what was uninhabited, unreachable was suddenly reached, was the gospel of Jesus bringing great joy to an entire city. And then of course the Gentiles were not Jews at all but because the gospel reached them through the spirit of the New Testament pioneers, today you and I can be part of the kingdom of God. We can know the love of Jesus, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And still out there are big things to be done, there’s big things to be done as we live our lives collectively as a church and individually, with that raw edged pioneering spirit.

2. The second thing, a pioneer reaches the unreachable and includes the excluded.

I love this thought, think about this the first three individuals when the gospel goes beyond Jerusalem and Judea to Samaria then ultimately to the utter most parts of the end, the first three individuals, converts that are mentioned, in other words new believers.

The first one is a wizard, his name is Simon who confounded the people with magic tricks. They were astonished by his magic, he was a sorcerer, a wizard.

The second one, later in Acts chapter 8 is an Ethiopian Eunuch, putting it bluntly, he was castrated. Which I guess made him part of a minority group [8 sec pause to glare at audience to see if they get what he is referring too].

The third one was a terrorist. His name was Saul in Acts chapter 9. The Bible literally describes Saul as breathing threats and slaughter against Christians and not only that, he was described as being in full agreement with Stephen being put to death.

How’s that for an encouraging front row in church? The first three, what have you got? You’ve got a guy who still has his tarot cards in one hand and his astrology charts in the other hands. You’ve got a guy with real sexual identity problems; he’s not sure who he is. And then you’ve got a third person who’s a terrorist. That’s pretty encouraging for the worship team when they look down.

I love the fact that maybe, not terrorists, but I love the fact that still our church is church for whosoever will to the Lord may come. It’s never been built on superstars necessarily, or people who’ve got it all together, it’s rarely reached people at all walks of live the down and out, the up and out, everything in-between and I pray that we will always be that kind of church. And a pioneering spirit keeps that kind of sprit happening in the church.

3. Third thing about a pioneering spirit is a pioneer sings a song that is music to the uninitiated but sounding brassed to the establishment, in other words stepping forward into new ground, not everyone who represents the statuesque or the establishment gets excited about the new thing that God is doing.

In the bible you can see that the uninitiated, those who have just been literally connected to Jesus, there was great joy in the setting. Acts chapter 8, verse 7, there was great joy in the city the bible says, its verse 8 I think.

Great joy, but not everyone thought that way. Couple of chapters before in Acts chapter 6, God was doing an amazing thing, the church was multiplying. They were having quickly to keep up with all that God was doing and so there was a little bit of reorganising the way things could be done so the Apostles could keep in the Word and keep in prayer. And in the middle of that it describes Stephen, Stephen is described as being full of faith.

Listen to it, it’s in Acts chapter 6, verse 8, it says ‘Stephen full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. And then it says there arose some from what is called, it’s important you think about this, they were from what, the Synagogue of the freed man. Tells us where those people were from, so Alexandrians etc, who were disputing with Stephen. In other words they were angry about the new grace, about what God was doing and who are they? They were the Synagogue of the freed man, literally former slaves who had come into new found freedom and had encountered a grace for themselves and yet were opposed to the new thing that God has done.

Often with the spirit of a pioneer you start taking new ground, you start occupying all streets and it’s incredible how often the people out there in the world that get upset about what Gods doing, in fact they’ve got a heart that’s open to it. It’s often people who experience grace themselves, who have known the freedom of Jesus Christ themselves and yet when grace goes into something new, God begins a new thing, it’s amazing how they are the people that are quite often the blindest and the ones that find it the most difficult to see.

Music to the ears of the uninitiated sounding brass, sometimes to the statuesque. I don’t what to be one who has encountered the grace of Jesus myself and misses out when God begins to do new things. I want to keep that pioneer again sprit, so I stay on the edge. I was pioneering when I was 25, 26, 29 years of age and I’m almost 60 and I want to keep looking forward and I want to keep the same pioneering spirit today. Because once a pioneer, always a pioneer.

I love the fact that in New York we’ve pioneered, in New Jersey, that in London we’ve recently pioneered in East London, that in South Africa we’ve extended to Pretoria, I love the fact that in Germany we now not only have Constance but Düsseldorf as a room in the house, because we’re keeping the spirit of a pioneer. And its powerful, it’s beautiful.

4. And the fourth thing, that to me represents the spirit of the pioneer.

Is that a pioneer defies the odds and pioneers again, bringing longevity to the season. They defy the odds. A long time ago, when our church really started to see the praise and worship, not only here in Australia but around the globe have divine favour on it, most would know that 1993, in fact many may not know, 1993 a song came out of our church called ‘Shout to the Lord’, written by a lady called Darlene Zschech. And really in many ways, that was the vehicle that God used to take our influence beyond I guess what we could have already imagined.

I’ve got a pastor friend, still my great friend today, but way back then I remember him as he looked at the blessing and favour on the music and so on and conferences starting to grow, he said ‘Brian you need to understand that this is just a season’. And I’ve always believed that, that this is just a season.  However it’s turning into an extremely long season, it’s a long season where in fact the favour and blessing on our praise and worship, all of a sudden we are pioneering new ground.

That song Oceans, such a powerful song and its reaching ground that we’ve never reached before with anything we’ve ever done. And so I love the fact that it can become a long season especially if you think generationally.

You see with this pioneer again spirit we didn’t stop with just what God was doing in 1993, even as recently as ten years ago, not just a worship band but a worship movement, represented a youth movement called ‘Hillsong United’ came out from our church and breathed fresh wind into the season, brought longevity to the season.

Then in more recent times, not just a worship band called ‘Young and Free’ but a great revival youth ministry, a youth movement called ‘Young and Free’ has emanated from this place and again is taking new ground.

So through keeping the pioneer spirit, you keep fruitfulness alive in your life. I don’t want to die on the vine. I don’t want to pastor a church that dies on the vine. I want us to be people of a pioneer spirit, amen [audience applause].

I’m so excited about Los Angles and what God’s about to do in that city. But it’s not just Los Angles, it where you are, as we all sow in where God has placed us, that we can collective be part of a fruitful season , that often times has an impact back into our own families and lives. So fruitful, so wonderful, so blessed, thank God for it.

You know in the middle of all of this, what I love is Philip. He’s the guy, he’s the guy that God uses to go to Samaria, reach a whole city and then after that he goes out on a desert road because an Angle spoke to him and he hooks up with, meets up with an Ethiopian Eunuch, points the Eunuch to Jesus, that’s what the Bible says, he preached Christ to him. And through that, this ordinary guy, can I tell you something about this ordinary guy, his name is amongst some amazing names.

In Acts chapter 6 where it talks about Philip, right before him it talks about Stephen, full of faith and full of the Holy Ghost. Well Stephen, the name comes from Stefan or Stefanos. Stefanos literally describes the victor’s wreath, a winning athlete. You think back to Greek Olympic times, the wreath around the winner’s head.

Think about Caesar or Astrix, comics, the green wreath around Caesar’s head, winner, victor. And after him comes Peter. Peter means rock, he’s got Rocky on this side he’s got winner on this side and as Philip Dooley, our Cape Town pastor likes to remind us, Philip means ‘lover of horses’.

Winner, Rocky, over comer, lover of horses. It’s usually little girls that grow up wanting to pony. Phillip’s just a gentle soul, he’s an ordinary guy. And not only is he an ordinary guy that God uses, he’s an ordinary guy doing ordinary things.

The reason that I’m encouraged is because this church has always been built just on ordinary people, who God has caused to do exceedingly, abundant and above, to be overachievers, simply by a pioneering spirit that trusted God, lived by faith and tried to live by consistency. Just watch what God can do.

Ordinary guy doing ordinary things. This is a different Phillip than one of the twelve disciples of Jesus, this Phillip, the first we hear of him is in Acts chapter 6 where, well the church was growing so fast that problems started to arise.

There were people called ‘Hellenists’, they started to cause hell in the church because these Hellenists started saying ‘well, you’re neglecting widows’ so they just reconstructed things a little and they got seven people. Seven people whose job it was to keep the peace. Look after the widows, serve on tables, and distribute food.

Hillsong City Care, their job was just ordinary people, Phillip. In those days it wasn’t Phillip the Apostle, Phillip the, just Phillip. They named seven people he’s one of them. The first one Stephen full of faith, full of the Holy Ghost, Phillip – lover of horses. Ordinary guy doing ordinary things.

If you want to be a pioneer, sometimes it’s not going somewhere, doing something else; it’s just doing ordinary things, being faithful where you are. We started our Vision Sunday presentation with an incredible narrative with one of the worlds, histories great poet’s in my mind, Martin Luther King. And Martin Luther King, he talks about the spirit of a drum major in the front of a parade.

And he talks about ‘you want to be great’, ‘you want to be first’, ‘you want to be important’, ‘you want to be significant’ then he says ‘don’t lose that’ he said ‘don’t lose it, be first in love, be first in generosity’.

And then while he’s talking about it the depiction of a tower being built, the tower of Babel, people wanting to build something for themselves. And then wonderfully it all turns around when we realise by just sowing our lives together in the work of Christ, we can see the kingdom of God established. We can see the work of Jesus established and to me it’s a beautiful, it’s a powerful picture.

Matthew chapter 20 is where he was speaking from, if you want to be great, learn to be a servant. The spirit of a pioneer is not an isolated, individualistic spirit; in fact try to do things on your own and you perish alone. But when we decide that we are going to be part of something bigger than ourselves, but then not only does that greater thing flourish but our own lives can flourish as well.

Ordinary guy doing ordinary things that God used in an extraordinary way, to reach cities for Christ. To see the Gospel through an Ethiopian Eunuch for the first time, the Gospel of Jesus go toward the continent, the great continent of Africa. Amazing, beautiful.

You should be witnesses unto me first then Jerusalem, then Judea, then Samaria, then to the ends of the earth. Sound good? Well let me tell you this part, within the context of the meaning of ‘witness’ there, that word witnesses actually means martyrs.

I remember one time hearing a guy when it came to people being giving and being generous. He’s talking about saying, “God doesn’t want much from you. He doesn’t want much from you.” Try telling Steven that. Full of faith and full of the Holy Ghost. And he was a martyr. It cost him his life.

To Bobbie and I this has never just been a job. And it will never be just a job. As a matter of fact, the day it’s just a job, that raw edge faith-filled pioneering spirit goes, that’s the day you might as well put me six foot under. It’s not just a job, it’s our life. We built our family, with that in mind today we’re blessed to see our children and our grand children serving God, now at different places but serving God, part of the house of God.

This church has not just been built on Bobbie and I seeing it as putting our life into this, in fact that’s been the spirit of our team, it’s been the spirit of so many people in this church. And I can tell you a lot has been the grace of God but also has been that pioneering spirit in people who have really put their life.

They have been sacrificial of their time, sacrificial of the giving, sacrificial in so many ways and literally put their life into this and by God’s Grace many have seen the fruit of that in their own homes, in their own families, in their careers. The greatest compliment that anyone can ever give me is when people say, they’ve got a business that may be succeeding, all we’ve done is taken the principals that we have learnt from church and applied them to our business. I love that

I’m going to tell you one story, we started 30 years ago and I’ve got to be telling you those first few weeks, as some of you have heard many times, it wasn’t going good, things were getting smaller every week and to be honest those first few weeks, no one, no one was responding giving their hearts to Jesus, no one was making decisions for Christ.

 I used to fast every Sunday, really believed God. For the first few weeks it was a little disappointing, I mean after four weeks we started to grow. Way back then I was 29 and I was preaching one Sunday night, we only had Sunday night services and right where I preached in that little school hall hung two gymnastic ropes. And I guess I got a little too excited preaching, so I grabbed one of those ropes and swung out over the congregation which wasn’t hard cause they only went back two rows, swung back again and just kept preaching.

I didn’t think anything more of it, but there was young guy their whose name was Kuta-ho-hepa?, you don’t forget names like that Kuta –ho-hepa, ‘Kuta’ went out that week and talked to a whole lot of his friends and man you guys should come to church, the Pastor swings on a rope like a monkey. True story and that week he brought nine of his friends to church and all nine of them committed to Jesus.

The second week, he went out again and he invited eleven more people to church and all eleven of them connected to Christ and in three weeks Kuta-ho-hepa lead thirty people to Christ. And at the end of that three weeks, after three weeks of that kind of fruitfulness he was riding his motorbike home from the Naval base where he worked, lost control, hit a tree, was killed. But you know the fruit of Kuta-ho-hepa’s life has never stopped from that day to this.

In my memory I can never remember one single Sunday in those last 30 years where somebody hasn’t given their lives to Jesus. Of course most weeks across our church, here in Australia alone, it’s hundreds of people who connect with Christ every single weekend.

And I don’t believe for one minute that God killed him, but I do know that the fruit of his life has never stopped. I want to live my life so the fruit of my life lives long beyond me, and for that to happen I believe, we’ve got to keep that pioneering spirit. Having a pioneering spirit, never underestimate what God can do, can you say Amen?

There in Copenhagen, Stockholm can you say Amen? Let’s stand together shall we? So much more wonderful, wonderful presentation to come, whatever you do, stay to the very end.

— we wish to acknowledge the person who transcribed this article. Thank you for giving up your time in transcribing this. Your work is greatly appreciated.

The infallible profits of Hillsong

06 Tuesday Jan 2015

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Brian Houston recently revealed just how badly the Good Weekend affected him with their article, ‘The lord’s profits‘. Right after the Royal Commission in October, Brian Houston stated in his sermon that Sunday that the below article was written in 1994.

Brian Houston Hillsong theo-jelly-cal

Later in another sermon on the same topic, he stated it was written in 2002. He links the article being written in these times because he says that his church finally grew to a noticeable size, therefore he received media criticism.

This is not true. ‘The lord’s profits’ was published in January 2003.

Before reading the article, see his response to the article in the video (or read the transcript underneath):

“Don’t let anyone put shame on you. Way back in 2002, this building where I’m standing right now was brand new. And there’s something about us getting this stake in the ground that put Hillsong above the radar. We were known because of our worship all around the world. But in secular Australia, we were well and truly under the surface. My next door neighbour’s probably didn’t know we existed.

And then suddenly we came up above the surface. And I’ll never forget it because [shifts uncomfortably] at that time, what was apparently the largest read publication in Australia was the magazine in the middle of the newspaper. And one particular Saturday, that magazine come out and the whole front cover was a full length picture of Bobbie and I. And it said, ‘The lord’s profits’. But it wasn’t spelt P-R-O-P-H-E-T-S. They- kind of got the spelling wrong.

And uh- I remember feeling so- ashamed. So embarrassed because we were in Bondi that Saturday morning and if you know anything about Bondi, it’s the beach. There’s the cafes. Everyone’s out. Alfresco dining on the- on the pavements. And so what everyone reads the same Saturday paper. A long slow Saturday morning everyone’s reading the Saturday paper and everywhere I went I was thinking- c- I could see- see the- see I was there. I could see us there. And I could see us there.

I remember walking along feeling so humiliated, so embarrassed. The article was several pages. It was a misrepresentation. It was a nasty article. Completely misrepresented our motives and so on.

And I just remembered- I’ll never forget that feeling. And so ultimately though we went into a cafe ourselves to get breakfast. And we’ve been in there lots of times. And the waiter- I asked for an orange juice. And he comes out and he brings me this orange juice like you’ve never seen. Instead of just a normal orange juice, he had all this garnishing and decoration on the top and all the beautiful things on it. Different fruit around it and all these other things. I’ll never forget it- and he just looked at me and said, “You’re a good guy”.

And he spoke into my soul. It’s amazing what God can use. Everyone else around the place reading their papers going [Houston imitates readers pointing at Houston and examining picture in paper].

I was back in Bondi yesterday. I refused to allow shame to rule me. [Applause] I refused to allow shame to be put on me. I walked down the street, walked along the beach. I was meditating on my message today. And that’s where I love to do that so- I just walked along looking straight ahead not feeling arrogant. But refusing to allow someone else’s sin to become my shame. [Applause]

Source: Hillsong Church, Hillsong Church – 12 October 2014, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq7M0JWw9dc, 42:47-46:34, Published 11/10/2014. (Accessed 25/11/2014.)

In due time, we will look more at this message to expose the lies and manipulative techniques Brian Houston use to brainwash his congregation to shun criticism with the evidence that emerged from the Royal Commission. In the mean time, we would greatly appreciate it if people could transcribe the above message.

The SMH reports,

The lord’s Profits

Hallelujah ... Prime Minister John Howard at Hillsong last year and right, the church's senior pastors Brian and Bobbie Houston.

Hallelujah … Prime Minister John Howard at Hillsong last year and right, the church’s senior pastors Brian and Bobbie Houston.

The music is catchy, the mood euphoric and the message perfect for a material age: believe in God and you’ll be rewarded in this life as well as the next. Greg Bearup reports.

A sexy young Christian, a walkie-talkie clipped to her hipsters, greets us on our walk from the car park. “Hiya, howya doin’?” she says, with a flick of her mane and a smile. “Welcome to God’s house – what an awesome day!” She points us in the direction of God’s pad, a massive Olympic-style stadium up on the hill, and returns to conducting traffic with a fluoro stick.

All around, beaming young folk (and they are mainly young) are decked out in their coolest threads – no Amish-skirted Christians here. Hundreds walk with us, and beneath the awnings and in the foyer of the building – all tubular steel and glass – thousands are milling excitedly. By the end of the weekend, almost 12,000 people will have made this walk. Once inside, the first thing the faithful strike is not a crucifix or stained-glass window (the building is devoid of Christian symbolism), but a vast bookshop, of sleek frosted glass and wood, where dozens wait by the till for books and tapes and CDs – or, as they like to call them here at Hillsong Church, “Christian resources” – from around the world. Most prominent, and with almost half the shop to themselves, are the titles by Brian Houston and his wife Bobbie, Hillsong’s senior pastors.

As 6pm approaches, the crowd spills into the church, a massive 3500-seat auditorium in Sydney’s Baulkham Hills. Australia’s newest, wealthiest and largest single church, it holds almost twice as many people as that city’s St Mary’s Cathedral, its closest competitor (which has total weekend attendances of fewer than 2000). They are crowds no one can afford to ignore and, the day after he returned from visiting the scene of the Bali bombings in October, Prime Minister Howard put aside his war on terror to open this house of worship.

Today a 12-piece band with five back-up singers and a choir of 50-odd youngsters literally bounce into action. Behind them, three massive screens hang from the walls – the middle one morphs through different shades of red and blue, only the message, “Glory to God”, remaining constant. The momentum builds with the tempo of the band as the packed stadium sings along to the words flashed up on the screens, swaying in a one-armed, open-palm salute to the band, to the Lord.

After 20 minutes, the warm-up pastor takes to the stage, chiming in with the band – “Come on, church, you can groove” – and then segues into his spiel. Our God, he says,

is a God who delivers miracles, a totally awesome God. He rattles off stories, true stories, from this very congregation, of cancers cured, of cripples healed, of sinners saved. Why, the Lord even saw his way to finding $4000 for one student to pay his fees at the Hillsong Bible college. The congregation hoot and clap; a young fellow beside me has his eyes closed and as each miracle is proclaimed he shouts, “Amen, man. Awesome.”

But you, too, should honour the Lord, the pastor tells his flock, and He will deliver these miracles, because the Bible says so, right here in Proverbs, chapter 3, which says that “if you honour the Lord with your possessions, and with the fruits of your increase, your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will overflow with new wine”. He makes the point numerous times, lets it sink in, then informs the throng that credit card facilities are available, and cheques should be made out to Hillsong. “Amen,” shouts the pastor, thumping the air with his fists. “Amen, let’s pass those buckets along.”

And the faithful oblige – last year they filled the Hillsong buckets to the tune of $10 million. The church’s music arm also bought in a tidy tax-free $8 million, and one of its albums, Blessed, debuted at No4 in the pop charts, above Shakira, and stayed there for weeks. Hillsong has bought into medical centres. Its Bible college has close to 1700 full- and part-time students, some paying annual fees of more than $4000. It has a staff of almost 200, including 70 pastors. It has built a state-of-the-art conference centre-cum-church worth $25 million. No fewer than five television cameras are mounted in the auditorium; the services are recorded and then televised in more than 80 countries.

Let’s not be coy, Hillsong is not a church that is afraid of money – its spiritual leader, Brian Houston, is also the author of You Need More Money: Discovering God’s Amazing Financial Plan for Your Life. Is that what makes this the seemingly fastest-growing Christian church in Australia? The census reveals that while millions identify as Catholic, Anglican or other Protestant denominations, few of them actually go to church. There are, for example, 3.9 million Anglicans, but only 180,000 attend church. (The Anglicans are like South Sydney rugby league club supporters – plenty of guernseys, but hardly any go to the games.) The Catholics are way out in front with 875,000 attendees from their 4.7 million flock. But with almost 200,000 people attending Pentecostal services each weekend around the country, they have nudged ahead of the Anglicans. The Pentecostals have a truancy rate of almost nil. What brand of God are they selling that sees the Almighty walking off the shelves, when the traditional churches struggle to give Him away?

Brian Houston, 48, saunters over to greet me, a tall, tanned man with a deep, radio man’s drawl, and a silver and gold Breitling watch shimmering on his wrist. The pastor drives, among other vehicles, a Harley-Davidson Fatboy that a friend from overseas gave him. After emigrating from New Zealand, he and his wife, Bobbie, started this church in Baulkham Hills almost 20 years ago, preaching to a couple of dozen people in a hired school hall. Brian’s father, Frank, had already set up a similar fundamentalist Pentecostal church (which has since joined with Hillsong) in the inner-Sydney suburb of Waterloo. Brian grew up with the church, while Bobbie got saved and “met Jesus” at the Auckland Town Hall at the age of 15. The couple met at church camp when Bobbie bought Brian an ice-cream (“He was the first boy I ever kissed,” says Bobbie with a girlish giggle. “Can you believe I’m telling you this?”), were married when Bobbie was 19 and are now Hillsong’s senior pastors.

They work out regularly and look like an advertiser’s dream couple. Bobbie, 45, is blonde, busty and beautiful, and speaks in an airy, suburban earth-mother tone – part Phoebe from Friends, part Kath & Kim.

When asked to explain their roles in the church, Bobbie says pleasantly: “We are seen as one entity but obviously our roles will differ in that we kinda, we are united in this together so we are not afraid of that, yeah, so, so, we are not a kingdom divided against ourselves. So, we are yoked together in this, I mean, they are biblical words, we are yoked together, obviously his roles, I defer to him, I respect his role. Do you know what I mean?”

Brian and I leave Bobbie and go for a drive.

So why does he think the church has been so successful? “I think the biggest issue is relevance, I really do,” he says, as we tour around the bland suburbs – row upon row of enormous, identical houses – of the Hills District, which surrounds his church. “We are scratching people where they are itching.” This is the nearest thing Australia has to a Bible belt. Houston says that when he and Bobbie set out to build a church, he wanted to build one that he and his family would want to attend, with good music, good sermons and a positive message.

So, at Hillsong services, the music is modern and uplifting and the presentation theatrical. The show stopper is the communal baptism, held every few weeks. The giant stage rolls back and beneath is a baptismal pool. The faithful line up at the side to be dunked, fully clothed, while the onlookers cheer and clap.

Then, there’s the message, which is simple and alluring. It says that if you embrace this brand of God you will be rewarded financially and spiritually in this life, as well as the next. It is religion for our material age. And there, as an example of what is possible, is the handsome, charismatic pastor, his bubbly wife and their three beautiful kids (Joel, 23, the oldest, is lead singer in the Hillsong rock band). All this comes with Brian’s guarantee – from More Money – that “anyone who puts the Kingdom of God first (rich or poor) can expect bible economics to work in their life NOW”.

Many of the young people I meet at the services volunteer their stories of financial success since joining Hillsong. “I was living in a housing commission house, working in a factory job and struggling to pay my bills,” says Brian Griffiths, aged in his early twenties and still sweating from dancing in the bleachers. “Since I started coming [in 1999], great things have happened.” He got a job selling insurance over the phone, with someone he met through the church. “God made me meet him.” He is more than happy to give

10 per cent of his wage back, as most are. “Granted, many people have a life that’s going great without God, yet I think that God probably had a whole lot more in mind for them.”

“If you believe in Jesus,” Houston tells me, “He will reward you here [on earth] as well [as in Heaven].” It is this prosperity gospel teaching that puts him at odds with people like the Reverend Tim Costello, the former head of the Baptist Union of Australia.

“The quickest way to degrade the gospel,” says Costello, “is to link it with money and the pursuit of money. It is the total opposite of what Jesus preached. These people have learnt nothing from the mistakes made by the American televangelists.”

Not so, says Houston. When Jesus said it was harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, he didn’t mean rich Christians, because all you need is “God as your foremost priority. Jesus talks constantly of people’s attitude to money but he never talks against money.”

Costello, says Houston, “likes what we do generally” but has a problem with Hillsong’s success. He, like those from some of the more traditional churches, is simply jealous of it, Houston tells me. “The irony is, Tim Costello is a pretty successful guy himself. The big difference between us is that I like to teach other people to be successful and not just enjoy the success myself.”

Hillsong, he says, has moved with the times, while the old churches are stuck in the 19th century. “What good is a vow of poverty?” he asks. “A person who has more is able to help more. That’s what we are all about, giving people a handout.” The multi-million-dollar church’s charitable arm, Hillsong Emerge, according to ASIC documents, has an annual budget of just a little over $400,000.

That’s not to say that Houston’s views on some other matters aren’t conservative. He believes in speaking in tongues. He would like to see creationism taught in schools and abortion banned. Homosexuals are, of course, unwelcome, but Houston says he’s not a Fred Nile-type fanatic on these matters. Picketing outside abortion clinics achieves little; a more pro-active approach is to help teenage girls through their pregnancies. The church partly funds a hostel, Mercy Ministries, for young pregnant women and other troubled girls (there’s another for troubled boys at Bankstown) who can live there free for a year, on the proviso that they attend church. Another of the Hillsong Emerge projects, Young and Gorgeous, sees young Emerge women going into schools to teach 12- and

13-year-old girls about skin care and make-up, to help them learn, an Emerge woman told me, “that each and every one of them is unique and precious”. Houston takes me for a drive past the youth hostel, in a bush setting near his church, and then on to a medical centre the church has bought in Baulkham Hills (they own another at Blacktown). It is all part of healing people “body, mind and spirit”, he says, explaining the Hillsong approach.

The medical centres are small, but with plans for expansion. And while they may be helping the converted, they’re also causing ripples among those outside Hillsong. Local doctors are angry that they will have to compete against a business that is exempt from all the normal business taxes – such as payroll tax – just because it is a religious organisation.

It is a matter the AMA intends to scrutinise.

Max Wallace, a sociologist at the Australian National University, is writing a book,

The Purple Economy, about the tax-free godsend enjoyed by the Australian churches. He says that while the traditional churches are “immensely wealthy”, Australians had better get used to the “astronomical wealth growth”

of young, corporate churches such as Hillsong, which haven’t the burden of maintaining ageing churches and small congregations (some don’t even have the burden of charity). New churches are also moving into a host of new business ventures that have nothing

to do with religion – turf farms, fruit juice manufacturing, furniture making – often sending their competitors broke along the way.

Tim Costello wants to know how much of the Hillsong wealth is going to Brian and Bobbie. “The churches have an enormously privileged position in society – not only do they not pay tax, but they are exempt from many of the fringe benefit rules as well. As a result, they need to be open and fully accountable. Anyone can walk into my church and find out exactly how much I earn, what car I drive, whatever, including any other associated monies I might earn from being a minister. I would like to ask the same of Hillsong.”

So I do. Brian Houston’s open, good-guy demeanour disappears. No, he will not tell me what he or Bobbie earns. “All you guys [the media] want to know about is the money,”

he says. “You don’t want to know about the church.” Well, it’s a bit like walking into Rose Hancock’s house and not noticing the chandeliers – the money at Hillsong just leaps out at you.

Houston says that while he draws a wage, he donates it back to the church. “I want to make it clear that I cost this church nothing, I want that on the record.” He earns some of his money, he says, as a property developer, “being a silent partner with a couple of guys from the church in building developments”, but he gets “the vast majority” of his money from overseas speaking engagements at other charismatic churches. He and Bobbie also get the royalties from those “Christian resources” out the front of the church.

Phillip Powell, a Pentecostal preacher and a former general secretary of the Assemblies

of God (the umbrella group of which Houston is now president), says Houston’s overseas speaking engagements are at churches whose own senior pastors are “on the circuit”. Powell, who has set up a “watchdog ministry”, Christian Witness Ministries, in part to monitor Hillsong, says, “They get paid huge amounts of money to speak at each other’s churches. The money goes to Brian, but his profile comes from Hillsong.” It is a bit like the Pope charging for speaking engagements, and then keeping the cash. (Houston says Powell’s sentiments are “pitiful comments from a pitiful man who knows nothing of Hillsong or of me”.)

The Hillsong church structure is tightly controlled. The general manager, Brian Aghajanian (also an elder), says the elders are nominated “by Brian or the other elders”. No elections? “No, we feel that people might stand who don’t have a great understanding of the way the church works or have the same vision we have for the church,” Aghajanian says.

What we do know is that Houston wears a watch worth thousands of dollars, he owns an enormous house overlooking a bush valley, in a suburb of other enormous houses, at Glenhaven. He also owns a picturesque spread on the Hawkesbury River, near Windsor, just west of Sydney, gets paid handsomely to speak overseas and is a property developer – and he’s not ashamed of any of it.

“Look,” he says, “I can tell you that if I was in business, and held this sort of position, I would be earning three times as much. I don’t do it for the money.”

So, you couldn’t see Jesus running into Hillsong and overturning the cash registers,

as he famously did with the money changers in the temple? “Absolutely not,” he says. “Absolutely not. Because the spirit of those people was … the house of God wasn’t even about God any more. It was about, you know, it had become a marketplace inside the temple – it wasn’t about Christian resources, resources that are helping people. It [the books and tapes and CDs] are not just about making money, it is about putting tools in people’s hands.

[But] I have no problem if it makes a profit.”

So, what exactly is in those Christian resources? One particularly irresistible title

is Bobbie’s three-tape boxed set Kingdom Women Love Sex ($22, also available on CD). In it, Bobbie explains why it is important for Christians to be good at “it”. “We need to

be good at sex ourselves so that if the world happens to come knocking we can tell the story of God in our lives,” Bobbie says, on the tape. “Without being lurid or untruthful

– hello! – we can say [she whispers], ‘I have a great marriage and a great sex life’ – wink wink, nudge nudge. Yeah, truly.”

Bobbie also offers some practical advice.

Fat is out. Do some exercise. “If I carry weight I feel like a retard … How are you going to do anything to surprise your man when you need a hydraulic crane just to turn over in bed?” Have plastic surgery, if it makes you feel better and it is for the right reasons, and “girls, pelvic floor exercises – can you believe I am saying this? – you know, I have heard that orgasm is not as strong if you are really sloppy in that area”.

As Bobbie says, “When you are doing what is correct in God there is a protection over your life. Like – hello! – it is just there. So it is a very powerful thing. Amen. Yeah, fully.”

There have been some dramas in the House of Camelot in the past few years. Houston

had to sack one of his senior preachers and good friends, Pat Mesiti, after it was revealed he’d been visiting prostitutes. And then Brian’s father, former minister Frank Houston, confessed to being a pedophile.

Finding out his father had abused a child back in New Zealand was, Houston tells me, “like the jets flying into the twin towers of my soul”. It was, understandably, one of

the hardest issues he has ever had to deal with. “Basically I received a complaint, so

I confronted my father and he admitted it.” Houston removed his father from all roles in the church, but did not contact police in New Zealand because the victim was old enough to do that himself. He said that he was candid with his congregation, although he has been criticised for not acting quickly enough.

“I told our church what had happened [several months after he found out], but as soon as I found out I told the elders of this church and the Assemblies of God,” Houston says. “To my congregation, when I told them, I used words like predator and sexual abuse and so on – I did not try to hide it.”

It is a matter that appears unlikely to go away, and Houston tells me that, since the initial allegation was made public, other alleged victims have come forward. Good Weekend understands that another alleged male victim of his father is “extremely unhappy” with his treatment by the church and is currently considering civil action.

Bobbie says that the sexual abuse claims were the hardest thing her husband has ever had to confront. “But the leader in him rose and I think that is what endeared the congregation to us. This issue is rampant through society and you don’t have to be Blind Willy to see that – sorry, blind Freddy, I always get my sayings wrong – but as a church we are dealing with those issues.”

Phillip Powell, the watchdog, says he doesn’t believe Brian Houston has dealt adequately with a whole range of issues within his church regarding accountability, and says he will continue to monitor the work of Hillsong. “There are alarm bells and people need to ring them,” he says.

On one of the Sundays I attend a Hillsong service, Anne Luckwell, a 36-year-old administration officer with the Harvey Norman retail chain, is excitedly waiting to be baptised. She joined the church six months ago and is now ready to “dedicate my life to the Lord”. She has a child and has been through a rough time. “I lived with a man for 15 years and we were splitting up – he said he was not going to give me anything from the house [he owned] in the settlement.” She says that now, since she found Hillsong, she has come to an agreement with her former partner for a share of the house. It has as much to do with the law as it has with the Lord, but still she attributes the agreement to Hillsong. I call her up a few days later to see how she feels, post-baptism. “Not too good, actually,” she croaks. “I’ve got the flu. I think it’s because of the wet hair.” Still, she says, she’ll be back in church next Sunday, ready to hear the word of Brian – and, of course, willing to give in order to receive.

Source: By Greg Bearup, The lord’s profits, Sydney Morning Herald, http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/28/1043804401241.html, Published 30/01/2003. (Accessed 06/01/2015.)

Houston said to Royal Commission his father never preached again; witnesses disagree

30 Sunday Nov 2014

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Brian Houston gospel issue

Evidence at the Commission and various comments on our site have revealed fascinating insights into the dealings of serial pedophile, Frank Houston.

Recently, a commentor shared this information on our site:

I attended Hawkesbury Church (then Hawkesbury Christian Centre) in the early 2000s under its minister Ian Woods, who was then State Superintendent of the AOG and presumably also on the National Executive.

Frank Houston was parked at Hawkesbury after he was stood down and the congregation was told to treat him like royalty. Certainly there was no warning to families in the congregation that we were harbouring a pedophile. He was our National Leader’s father, and a super-apostle in our movement.

Although I do not believe there was a risk of him reoffending, still, what I recall was the total veil of silence that fell over the matter, to the extent that one Hillsong member left the Sunday service when Brian Houston was forced to say something, believing that Frank was guilty of some kind of financial mismanagement.

Brian says that his Father never preached again. I’m pretty sure that’s wrong. While he was with us, he was allowed to preach. Brian is, yet again, a liar.

Source: Truth_will_out, News reports from Royal Commission on Hillsong 08/10/2014, Hillsong Church Watch, https://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2014/10/08/news-reports-from-royal-commision-on-hillsong-08102014/#comment-10079, Submitted on 2014/10/09 at 10:12 am. 

The New Zealand Herald reports,

Child molester pastor Frank Houston was ‘still allowed to preach’ after abuse warning

Soon after accused pedophile Frank Houston was stood down by his son Brian Houston – who now runs the popular Hillsong Church in Australia – he was seen on TV preaching in Canberra, a witness has told a national inquiry.

Barbara Taylor, the evangelical pastor who told the Pentecostal movement in 1998 its honoured preacher Frank Houston was a child molester, says it took her months to get the church to take the matter seriously.

Frank Houston died in 2004 and had admitted to the sexual abuse of children in Australia and New Zealand.

She also told a hearing of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse that in June, 2000 she had written to Brian Houston about his father saying she had been told “a week after you said you were going to discipline him by standing him down he was preaching and prophetising over people in Canberra”.

Brian Houston wrote to her saying he was hurt by her letter and that Frank Houston was receiving “restoration counselling”.

He also asked her to contact him by phone in future, she said.

Pastor Taylor kept notes of her interactions with the abuse victim, known as AHA for legal reasons, and her dealings with members of the executive of the Assemblies of God (AoG) – the body to which Pentecostal churches are affiliated.

She wanted the matter settled by the church not the “secular courts”.


Hillsong Church leader Brian Houston. Photo / AAP

Brian Houston was national president of the AoG when allegations against his father surfaced.

In late 1998, 20 years after her son told her, the abuse victim’s mother informed Pastor Taylor about Frank Houston – the pastor who was treated like royalty by the devout family.

The commission on Wednesday was taken through Pastor Taylor’s notes recounting her attempts to organise a meeting between AHA and Frank Houston.

She had written to Frank Houston five months after the allegations were first raised and her many attempts to contact him failed. She said he rang and was angry “that I was pursuing” him”.

Pastor Taylor also recorded AHA was extremely distressed the matter had become known but agreed to meet Frank Houston.

AHA told the commission on Tuesday Frank Houston offered him $10,000 during a meeting and asked his forgiveness. Some months after that he received a cheque from Brian Houston.

Pastor Taylor also said she wasn’t kept informed of the actions taken by Brian Houston or the AoG but she considered: “If he (Frank Houston) confessed to Brian he would have really meant it and Brian would have brought him to a place of repentance.”

Pastor Taylor said that at a later meeting with Brian Houston he told her it was a one-off incident by his father and commented the incident was about a “little boy who walked through a room without his clothes on”.

“I took it his father had trivialised the incident to Brian”.

The hearing continues.

Source: Child molester pastor Frank Houston was ‘still allowed to preach’ after abuse warning, New Zealand Herald, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11339319%20, 08/11/2014, 4:50 PM. (Accessed 29/11/2014.)

Media and communities expressing concern that Hillsong is a cult (Part 1)

29 Saturday Nov 2014

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Two Paragraphs report,

Is Justin Bieber A Member of The Religious Cult Hillsong?

Pop star Justin Bieber is hanging out with his friend and pastor Carl Lentz over the Thanksgiving break. The Biebs posted a photo of him making a snowman with one of Lentz’s young daughters. His fans think it’s sweet.

Lentz, the 36-year-old hipster who preaches at Hillsong NYC (a spin-off of the Australian Evangelical megachurch Hillsong), met Bieber in 2008 when Bieber was just 14. “I have a special role in Justin’s life, spiritually,” Lentz told the New York Postrecently. Lentz is not your stereotypical pastor. He favors mohawks, tattoos, rap and skinny jeans. Hillsong has a troubled history including the fact that its founder confessed to molesting a 7-year-old (he was never prosecuted). The megachurch is considered by some to be a cult.

Source: Is Justin Bieber A Member of The Religious Cult Hillsong?, 2Paragraphs, http://2paragraphs.com/2014/11/is-justin-bieber-a-member-of-the-religious-cult-hillsong/, 28/11/2014. (Accessed 29/11/2014.)

We consider Hillsong a cult based on the BITE control criteria, the +-x% marks and the manipulative techniques that the below video exposes.

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Hillsong’s claptraps, cheap claps & bad raps

13 Monday Oct 2014

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Brian Houston Royal Commission hearingAfter Brian Houston’s abysmal behaviour at the Royal Commission and the emerging shocking revelations of his poor leadership over his dad, it was reported to us that only a select few of Brian’s pastors came to support him at the Royal Commission. No family. No church members.

In light of this, here was Hillsong’s response this Sunday morning to their false prophet.

You will also notice that in the above clip, Hillsong edited out Brian Houston’s second statement and sermon. (It appears they don’t want critics to get hold of it.)

In spite of this, the Daily Telegraph reports what was disclosed in the morning session,

Hillsong leader Brian Houston breaks silence on paedophile father: ‘It was wrong not to report him’

HILLSONG Church head Brian Houston told thousands of his followers it was wrong of him not to report his paedophile father to police, but said other senior church leaders also knew and did nothing.

Giving his first sermon at Hillsong’s church-cum-convention centre at Baulkham Hills yesterday since testifying last week at the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, Mr Houston said no one advised him to report his pastor father Frank after he was told in 1999 that Frank had molested a boy in a Sydney household in the 1970s.

Mr Houston told the congregation of more than 3000 that the victim, known as AHA, whom his late father tried to buy forgiveness from with $10,000, did not want the allegations investigated by the police or the church.

“You had a situation where this was the first time I had ever heard about my father’s abuses. There was victim, a survivor, who was adamant he did not want a police investigation and he didn’t want a church investigation,” he said.

“So I genuinely believed at the time, by the way no one gave me any advice to counter this, that if he wanted to go the police, he was 36, he could. Obviously if it was someone who was still a child we would have had no choice but to report it. It seems I was wrong and that will form part of the findings.”

Mr Houston also read out a prepared statement in which he said media reports of his testimony did not give the “full story” and headlines could be “misleading”.

He said paying victim AHA had nothing to do with him despite the royal commission hearing the victim had contacted him about Frank Houston failing to pay as promised.

Two weeks later the $10,000 cheque was delivered.

“There have been reports of money being paid to the victim. Again for clarification, this was between my father and the victim. It had nothing to do with me or Hillsong Church,” he said.

The commission had heard Hillsong founder Brian Houston was national president of the Assemblies of God Church from 1997 to 2009 and in charge when his father was outed as a serial paedophile. It also heard the episodes of sexual abuse of seven boys by Frank Houston happened in the 1960s and 70s. All but one, AHA, were abused in New Zealand where Frank Houston preached.

In yesterday’s sermon, Mr Houston denied the church tried to cover up the abuse.

Frank Houston died in 2004

Source: By Ben McClellan, Hillsong leader Brian Houston breaks silence on paedophile father: ‘It was wrong not to report him’, The Daily Telegraph, http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/hillsong-leader-brian-houston-breaks-silence-on-paedophile-father-it-was-wrong-not-to-report-him/story-fni0cx12-1227088167208, Published 13/10/2014 12:00AM. (Accessed 13/10/2104.)

Hillsong’s deceitful marketing gimmicks (Part 1): Replacing Jesus with ‘Hillsong’ in ‘No other name’ campaign?

17 Sunday Aug 2014

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HOW HILLSONG CONVINCES PEOPLE THEY ARE A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT

For years it has been proven that Hillsong is an unbiblical Word of Faith cult. This is what is noticeable of Hillsong,

1. They have redefined the Christian church,

2. They undermine and attack biblical Christianity orthodoxy by labelling them as “critics”, “dead”, “dying”, “religious”, etc.

3. They have redefined the pastoral office,

4. They preach a false gospel,

5. They present a false Jesus,

6. They reject the authority of scripture,

7. They elevate Brian Houston above the Word of God to an infallible Messiah-like prophet/teacher/leader/visionary who cannot be questioned.

8. They redefined the role of Christian worship in church

9. They use music as an agent to infiltrate churches by influencing youth and other less discerning people.

10. They take over churches and rebrand them into their movement.

So how does Hillsong get away with it?

Well it’s called marketing. And not just marketing – Hillsong engages with ‘brainwashing’. That is, they trick people’s minds to believe irrational concepts and contradictions. Not only is this done in their music and preaching, it’s done in their manipulative and misleading marketing campaigns. And we know how manipulative the marketing world is.

We say all this to bring your attention to the marketing of this year’s Hillsong Conference 2014 just past.

NO OTHER NAME CAMPAIGN

If a group is trying to look Christian, they tend to blend in so as to look as orthodox as possible. They will often try to use fallacious arguments (which Hillsong uses), convince you that your ‘feelings’ are God telling you to join their movement (which Hillsong uses), rewrite their history to look more legitimate (which Hillsong does) and use other distracting means to convince you they are a legitimate movement.

Rather than take any form of biblical stance to give the impression they are orthodox, Hillsong simply uses mass media to mislead people into believing they are an orthodox Christian movement. Hillsong again is showing this to be the case in their latest ‘No Other Name’ campaign.

You may think we are overreacting. “You’re being harsh!”

Perhaps. But are we wrong?

When a Christian thinks ‘No Other Name’, what do you think might come to their mind?

1. Jesus     2. God     3. Hillsong     4. Stuart     5. Brian Houston

Every Christian shoud say ‘Jesus’ as their answer. The answer is implied if you know the sciptures,

“This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:11-12 

But is this how Hillsong marketed Jesus? We monitored the very slick Hillsong campaign operating at the conference and we demonstrate why their marketing was so misleading with their ‘no other name’ slogan. Below is an image that illustrates the deceit of this campaign. Do you think they are implying Jesus in their slogan… or something else?

NoOtherName_18-08-2014Bear in mind, the slogan backdrop was marketed everywhere at the Hillsong Conference. To anyone watching online, you were continually bombarded with the implication that there was no other name but Hillsong.

proof_HillsongConference_18-08-2014A very clever marketing strategy – in Christ alone, or in Hillsong alone? This is a carefully crafted marketing campaign. And this would have been given a lot of thought. (Looks like Jesus was not worth putting on their.)

If you can’t prove theologically that you are a legitimate Christian movement, bombard Christians with misleading advertising gimmicks to make them think you’re orthodox.

The bottom line is that if a church is saying ‘No Other Name’, you would think that they would be promoting Jesus, not their church brand. They are putting links that should not be there.

You have to ask the question, why replace Jesus with ‘Hillsong’?

Hillsong embracing Roman Catholicism and the false social gospel (Part 1)

30 Friday May 2014

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The Sydney Morning Herald reports,

Thousands flock for God and rock

AUSTRALIA’S biggest congregation proved the potency of Christianity with a pop-culture twist by drawing thousands of people to the opening of its annual conference last night with a high-volume pop-rock beat and a call to end poverty.

More than 24,000 Christians from 21 denominations around Australia and 70 other countries will attend the five-day 22nd Hillsong Conference at Acer Arena, taking part in workshops on church leadership, the creative arts and evangelism.

Last night’s opening began with a light show, choirs and the public debut of the soloist Katherine Vassalakis, singing U2’s One against a backdrop of a throbbing red heart.

Bible in hand, Hillsong’s worship pastor, Darlene Zschech, and the Hillsong band brought the stadium to its feet with their brand of energetic worship.

The event served as a warm-up act to World Youth Day, heralded by the arrival on Sunday of Pope Benedict on his first visit to Australia. Although they are miles apart in theology and musical tradition, the Catholic Church is borrowing Hillsong’s headline act for World Youth Day in its own attempt at mass youth evangelism. Ms Zschech and her band will perform at a concert held after the Stations of the Cross on Friday, July 18.

The first winner of Australian Idol , Guy Sebastian, who came from Adelaide’s Pentecostal Paradise Community Church, has written World Youth Day’s theme song.

Hillsong, accused by some of preaching self-absorbed Christianity, focused for the second year on the scriptures’ call for social justice – traditional ground of the Catholic Church.

Tim Costello, chief executive of World Vision Australia, welcomed conference delegates.

Mr Costello, who has just returned from Burma, praised Bono as a prophet of the movement to eliminate global poverty. “Bono understands we cannot make poverty history unless the church rises up.”

He said Australians had won the lottery of life by being born in a country with ample food, opportunities and universal health.

The senior pastor of Hillsong, Brian Houston, said the word justice and the responsibility it implied was a key message of the conference.

Source: By Linda Morris Religious Affairs Writer, Thousands flock for God and rock, Sydney Morning Herald, http://www.smh.com.au/news/worldyouyouthday/thousands-flock-for-god-and-rock/2008/07/07/1215282747305.html, Published 08/07/2008. (Accessed 30/05/2014.)

 

Mega-fail: Mega-church hiding under mega-rock

20 Sunday Apr 2014

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Please look after your forehead. Wear a helmet when reading this article.

The Bible Society reports,

The Hillsong song that every Christian can sing

It all started on Facebook.

In January, John Dickson, co-founder of the Centre for Public Christianity and senior Anglican minister in Sydney, sparked a storm of responses when he posted on Facebook, “Can someone with real Hillsong contacts please urge their brilliant songwriters to put the Apostles’ Creed to inspiring music. They’d be doing mainstream Christianity an enormous favour.” At the same time he directly tweeted the same request to Hillsong.

His appeal reached the ears of Cassandra Langton, Hillsong’s Creative Director, who tweeted her reply to John within 24 hours, “We shall have a go!!!” This began a production process for Hillsong’s new song This I believe, sung at Hillsong campuses at the beginning of March and by over 17,000 women at Hillsong’s Colour Conference.

Here are some of the lyrics sung from the song at the conference (though these are still being finalised at time of writing before ‘official release’):

I believe in God the Father
I believe in Christ the Son
I believe in the Holy Spirit
Our God is three in one

I believe in the resurrection
That we will rise again
For I believe in the name of Jesus

Ben Fielding, one of Hillsong’s leading songwriters, also heard John’s appeal. A month later, when the team were preparing to write, he suggested looking at the Apostles’ Creed. “We pulled it up and it was such an incredible text. We thought it would be amazing to be able to put music to it and give it new life.” Ben felt that taking Hillsong’s platform and putting the words of the Creed to music to reach contemporary churches was an incredible opportunity.

“In an age where there is so much division it’s powerful to declare something we all believe is true, emphasising our core beliefs,” says Ben. “I love anything that has the power to unify the church. Song does that. And so does this Creed, and it has for close to 1700 years.”

Ben feels his responsibility as a Christian songwriter. “The words we’re writing are becoming the liturgy and creeds of today. As the songs travel, we’re putting words in the mouths of the church.” He reflects on the history of the Creed and also hymns which, for hundreds of years, have brought people back to core Christian beliefs. Songs with biblical lyrics are the best, he observes.

There is an awareness at Hillsong, Ben says, that their church is not isolated, but built off an incredible heritage of churches in Australia and the history of the Christian church. In a similar way, Ben speaks gratefully about the interaction with John Dickson in the production of This I believe, and would like to see more ecumenical interaction, to enable the church to come together.

“It’s such an enriching experience. It’s sad to think we wouldn’t be able to have that dialogue because of denominational barriers. Perhaps working on things like the Creed would be a great way forward, to open dialogue and engage on that level that we have in common.”

This I believe will be officially released and available to churches in July at the Hillsong Conference. Hillsong are also planning to release a new song for Easter, Calvary, which will be available for free download for all churches.

Source: By Karen Mudge, The Hillsong song that every Christian can sing, Eternity Newspaper, published on Bible Society, http://www.biblesociety.org.au/news/hillsong-song-every-christian-can-sing. (Accessed 20/04/2014.)

Why Can’t Hillsong Admit They Are A Word Of Faith Cult?

08 Saturday Mar 2014

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Whenever Hillsong try to distance themselves from the destructive Word of Faith movement they are being dishonest with the general public.

Hillsong IS a Word of Faith cult and should never be understood to represent the historical Christian faith. Believe it or not, the Word of Faith teachings at Hillsong are more akin to that of the occult and new age spirituality.

Recently at Apprising Ministries, they exposed the following dubious conference Brian Houston of Hillsong Church spoke at:

T.D. JAKES PRESENTS WORD FAITH LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE

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Apprising Ministries continues covering a growing syncretism within apostatizing evangelicalism as it wanders further away from belief in the all-sufficiency of God’s Word and succumbs to silly superstitions derived from tis embrace of charismania and Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism.
While I told you that James MacDonald Was A Bit Late In Mainstreaming T.D. Jakes, even so, co-hosts James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll of their ecumenical Elephant Room 2 (ER2) would chose to use ER2 as a vehicle to place their blessing upon Word Faith mogul T.D. Jakes.

At ER2 MacDonald and Driscoll allowed Jakes to affirm both trinitarianism and modalism simultaneously and never did address Jakes’ Word Faith heresies. One of the basic principles of both ER1 and 2 was supposedly the adherents would demonstrate to us how to properly dialogue about differences.

However, the fruit of these conferences has been an emerging self-appointed Evangelical Ecumenical Magisterium (EEM) comprised of most of the multi-site megachurch pastors who participated in ER. EEM’s  James MacDonald would later imply that he’s continued private dialogues with T.D. Jakes.

MacDonald gave the impression that Jakes was now supposedly moving away from the Word Faith prosperity gospel at the core of his corrupt ministry. I recently discussed this further in T.D. Jakes Repents Of Word Faith Heresy And Mythology? You’re about to see further evidence that he has not.

The following is a clip from “Throw It Back,” which was Jakes’  New Year’s Eve 2013 message to hisPotter’s House. Same ‘ol T.D. Jakes heading into 2014:

Then, as you can see from the graphic above, Jakes’ Branching Out  (BO) conference, which begins tomorrow, proudly features Word Faith preacher Brian Houston of Hillsong Church, BO will also be giving us the notorious WF “Apostle” Frederick K.C. Price; and they don’t come anymore committed to WF heresies than Price.

Yet in spite of this T.D. Jakes’ Conference Will Feature A Saddleback Church Leader, which you are likely aware is the church headed by EEM member Rick Warren. In closing this, for now, let me remind you that Price:

received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in 1970 and soon began to develop a “faith” ministry. In 1973 Price founded an independent church in Los Angeles called Crenshaw Christian Center. Price was ordained by Kenneth Hagin Ministries in 1975.

In 1981 the congregation moved to 32 acres that formerly housed Pepperdine University. In 1989 he completed a new worship center called the Faithdome at a cost of over $10 million. The multiracial congregation now exceeds 15,000…

Price began a nationally broadcast television ministry in 1978 called Ever Increasing Faith, which is featured on more than 125 million stations in the U.S. and abroad. In 1982 he began teaching his faith message in crusades and conferences all across the U.S.

Price is the author of more than 30 books relating to the Holy Spirit and faith,…1

Christian apologist Mike Oppenheimer now shares a few of the Word Faith heresies propounded by Frederick K.C. Price. He begins with the critical information that Price is a disciple of Kenneth “Dad” Hagin, widely considered in WF circles as the very father of their movement:

Price claims that it was Hagin who had the greatest influence on his life. Frederick K.C. Price says: “Kenneth Hagin has had the greatest influence upon my life of any living man … his books … revolutionized and changed my life.”( Taped interviews on file at the Holy Spirit Research Center, Oral Roberts University cited in D. R. McConnell, The Kenyon Connection: A Theological and Historical Analysis of the Cultic Origins of the Faith Movement, a thesis submitted to the Theological Faculty, Oral Roberts University, Tulsa, OK, May 1982, p. 11).

This developed him into being the chief exponent of naming it and claiming it. Say it and frame it, speak it and keep it. Price who has become famous for his anti biblical stance of If you have to say, “if it be thy will or thy will be done- if you have to say that, then your calling God a fool.” He explains “What they told me to do was that whenever I prayed I should always say, ‘The will of the Lord be done.,’ Now, doesn’t that sound humble? It does. Sounds like humility, it’s really stupidity. I mean, you know, really, we insult God. I mean, we really do insult our Heavenly Father. We do; we really insult Him without even realizing it. If you have to say, ‘If it be thy will or’ Thy will be done’-if you have to say that, then you’re calling God a fool because he’s the One that told us to ask…. (“Ever Increasing Faith” program on TBN Nov.16,1990).

Despite all his rhetoric it’s not God who is the fool but those who say there is no prayer to say God’s will be done. If it isn’t his will its yours, and you might as well say God move over I’m your replacement. Hardly a comforting thought (see Jms.4:15, Mt.6:19, 1Jn. 514)

“If them animals belonged to, if those animals belonged ‘ to God, how come God didn’t give them their names?

Why did he leave it up to a puny man to give them the names to the animal kingdom, the plant kingdom, and the vegetable kingdom? Because they belonged under the control of Adam and not of God Why? He had dominion. Not God, Adam.” (Ever Increasing Faith program may 3, 1992) if this were true then how did God curse creation after the fall? How did man fall if we were in control of these kingdoms?

“Adam, as I said, gave it [the earth] away to the serpent, to the Devil. As a result of it he got his behind kicked out of the garden. He went out of Eden, out of the garden. He began to wander around, and he has troubles from day one. Now God was out of the business. God was out of the earth realm. God had no more stock in this earth realm. No more. None at all. Nothing He could do. Not a thing in the world He could do. The only way God could get back into this earth realm, He had to have an invitation. Ha-hah! He had to have an invitation.” (“Ever Increasing Faith” program on TBN [1 May 1992], audiotape #PR11.)

I think the words Price uses are dead giveaways to his understanding “God was out of the business” he had to be invited. But there is a heresy that is deeper than the obvious slip ups. The bible says nothing is impossible with God, but Price says it was not possible for God to control what he once did without man. Price has it  backwards. Do we see this happening in the Scripture, absolutely not.

“God the father cannot do anything in this earth realm without permission. Now again I realize that that statement is very as I say from an evangelical point of view (meaning the evangelical doctrines)… that this statement that I’m making that God can’t do is like going out and committing adultery to them, it sin, simple to say that.” Price thinks God needs mans permission to do things on earth.

“Now this is a shocker! But God has to be given permission to work in this earth realm on behalf of man….Yes! You are in control! So if man has control, who no longer has it? God…..When God gave Adam dominion, that meant God no longer had dominion. So God cannot do anything in this earth unless we let Him. And the way we let Him or give Him permission is through prayer.” (Frederick Price Quoted from – “Christianity in Crisis” by H. Hanegraaff, 1993)

Price does know his explanation is more than unusual yet he is satisfied with his own exposition for this.What kind of Bible teaching is this, God is not in control, man is. Who then is God to Fred Price?

“Yes! You are in control! So, if man has control, who no longer has it? God” (Fred Price, “Prayer: Do You Know What Prayer Is…and How to Pray?” (The Word Study Bible, 1990 p. 1178).

We are in control and God is not! So why pray to him, we might as well pray to ourselves. That’s exactly how it is put when he states don’t pray for God’s will. He explains “The way God has designed the system, we control. It’s up to us. “You see, I gave it to you before..”Matthew 18:18, “Whatever you bind on earth…bound in heaven; whatever you loose…it loosed in heaven.”

For every scripture Price seems to find to support his by faith its mine doctrine there are numerous more that clearly bring light to his erroneous conclusion. Isa.29:l6: “Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, ‘He did not make me’? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, ‘He has no understanding?”

Fred Price affirms, “Jesus said, All authority… All of it.” How much is left out of the term all? Nothing. It’s an inclusive term. It leaves nothing out. He said, All authority in the heaven and in the earth is in My hands. It has been given to Me and what do you think the purpose of Almighty God giving Him the authority in the earth was for and He’s not here to use it? It’s because He gave that authority to the Church. In essence, He was saying, I’m going back to Heaven. I’ll take care of the authority in the heavenly realm but I’m leaving you here My body …and I’m giving you, by delegation, My authority in the earth realm. Go forth and conquer. The way God has designed the system, we control. It’s up to us.” (Fred Price, Ever Increasing Faith Lesea [on audio]).

Where does the Bible say Jesus gave us the control that he has? Scripture proof- none.

The only thing Price controls is his congregation with his twisted teaching of the word. It is bondage to believe these untruths.

Price believes the control is found in all that we say, “If you keep talking death, that is what you are going to have. If you keep talking sickness and disease, that is what you are going to have, because you are going to create the reality of them with your own mouth. That is a divine law.” (Fred Price, Realm, 29)

God and Man

Price does seem to uphold the trinity however he does have an aberrant view on our birth “All he did when he came here was get a body through Mary. And that’s all you did when you got here  you were already alive before you came into your mommas womb, you  were a livin spirit, you just came into your mommas womb so that  you can get a physical body so that you can live here” (Dec., 2003 Lesea Broadcasting)

Price says we all existed before birth. Where? Where did Adams spirit exist before birth? This is nonsense and not a Christian teaching. Jesus did indeed exist before birth as spirit  because he was God. We as humans did not exist in heaven nor a spiritual realm before our conception. (source)

Finally, here is WF prosperity preacher Frederick K.C. Price below from his Ever Increasing Faithpodcast teaching the classic WF fable that Jesus was wealthy financially:

This is the kind of “leader” the EEM-approved T.D. Jakes is attempting to drag into mainstream evangelicalism.

Further reading

  • JAMES MACDONALD: PROSPERITY PREACHER T.D. JAKES “VIEWS ON MONEY” CLOSER TO SCRIPTURE THAN THAT OF “REFORMED WORLD”
  • STEVEN FURTICK: T.D. JAKES IS MY FAVORITE PREACHER IN THE WORLD
  • WF PASTRIX PAULA WHITE: AS PAUL IS TO TIMOTHY, SO T.D. JAKES IS TO ME

Endnotes

  1. Stanley M. Burgess, Eduard M. van der Maas, Editors, Ed van der Maas, Author, The New International Dictionary Of Pentecostal And Charismatic Movements [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2002],, 998. ↩

Source: By Ken Silva, T.D. JAKES PRESENTS WORD FAITH LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE, Apprising Ministries, http://apprising.org/2014/03/05/t-d-jakes-presents-word-faith-leadership-conference/,  Published 05/03/2014. (Accessed 09/03/2014.)

Kong Hee Furthering Sun Ho’s Music Career Through Hillsong “Church”?

14 Saturday Sep 2013

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In an older article, we recorded Kong Hee saying the following at a C3 Church Presence Conference where Hillsong leaders Darlene & Mark Zschech were present.

“It’s such a joy to be listening to J. John and Kelly and to see my good friend Darlene Zscheck and Mark. You know, Mark has really become a close brother because he is now a consultant of Ho Media Ministry you know, in our church. So Mark, we’re counting on you. You know, if we don’t dominate the world in the next ten years, it’s all your fault.” [Source]

So what was Kong Hee’s relationship with Hillsong? Did Kong Hee always like Darlene or Mark Zschech? Or did Kong Hee use them or Hillsong to further his wife’s music career? Does he still have a relationship with Hillsong or Darlene and Mark Zschech?

We say this because ‘CHC Confessions’ recently posted this comment,

This was originally from John Lim posted in the comments section. It is more visible to stay as a post.

Quote point#4 from the email:

“This is a personal question. There is a 40-year old Australian singer by the name of Darlene Zschech (residing in Sydney) whom Sun has known for many years. She is more a classical, inspirational-type singer like Josh Groban or Sarah Brightman, She is not Asian but has been quite competitive in her attitudes toward Sun in the past many years. Ever since she heard that Sun has crossovered into Hollywood and USA, Darlene has been rather intense in her demeanor toward Sun. There is a now a rumor circulating in the Singapore-Sydney grapevine that David Foster is collaborating with Darlene in a new album production for the US market. Question: any truth in that?”

Email screenshot (Kong Hee to Justin Herz): http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5179/oiwh.jpg

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Source: CHC Confessions, Facebook, https://www.facebook.com/CHCConfessions/posts/667873969898650, 14/09/2013. (Accessed 14/09/2013.)

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