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Money-Making Mesiti ‘Ministering’ At Hillsong London In 2010…

16 Saturday Feb 2013

Posted by Nailed Truth in Associations

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Pat Mesiti tweeted on Twitter 2010:

“Speaking at Hillsong London this weekend I’m excited and so gratefull to God and my friends” — Pat Mesiti (@PatMesiti), https://twitter.com/PatMesiti/status/24575112910, 15/09/2010.

On his own youtube account, Pat Mesiti uploaded this segment of himself speaking at Hillsong London. You’ll never guess what he was speaking on…

Mesiti writes below his video:

“http://www.mesiti.com – a short clip of Pat speaking at a conference in London. quick lesson – “Money doesn’t make you anything, money only magnifies what you are already”” – Pat Mesiti, Speaking In London – Pat Mesiti, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsyCTSLsxHk, Uploaded by mesitivideo, 22/09/2010. (Accessed 23-01-2013.)

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After his experience, Mesiti tweeted,

“Hillsong London was an amazing experience what a church what awesome leaders in Gary and Kathy Clarke” — Pat Mesiti (@PatMesiti), https://twitter.com/PatMesiti/status/25126072661, 22/09/2010.

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This only goes to show that C3 Church leadership and Hillsong leadership still consider Pat Mesiti a minister worthy enough to minister behind the pulpit. They chose to give him platforms since 2006 to September, 2010. They still might endorse him as a pastor and minster to this day. We will be looking more into this.

NOTE: ALL SCREENGRABS WERE TAKEN ON 29/10/2012.

Guess Which “get-rich-quick” scheming Pastor This Journalist Is Warning Us Against?

26 Wednesday Dec 2012

Posted by Nailed Truth in Associations, Books, Brian Houston's Beliefs, News Headlines

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Is this journalist warning us against ‘Pastor’ Brian Houston from Hillsong Church?

Is this journalist warning us against ‘Pastor’ Phil Pringle from C3 Church?

Is this journalist warning us against ‘Pastor’ Pat Mesiti who ministers at both C3 and Hillsong and is close friends with Pringle and Houston?

Houston Pringle Mesiti get rich quick scheme

Before reading the article below, please read how Phil Pringle of C3 Church mentored Pat Mesiti and restored him to be a ‘legitimate’ pastor again in 2006. It’s worth further noting that Pastor Brian Houston from Hillsong Church is close friends with Pat Mesiti and was also with him though this restoration process.

Phil Pringle ‘Restoring’ Pat Mesiti As A Church Pastor

Therefore, ask yourself these questions while reading the below article:

1. If this journalist is asking people to be wary of Pat Mesiti’s “get-rich-quick schemes,” don’t you think it is worth being concerned who restored this Hillsong/C3 pastor back into ministry?

2. If Brian Houston and Phil Pringle see themselves as motivational speakers like Pat Mesiti, use similar ‘money magnet’ language like Pat Mesiti, spread similar teaching like Pat Mesiti and still endorse Pat Mesiti, how are they any different?”

3. How are Brian Houston and Phil Pringle’s prosperity-driven churches any different to Pat Mesiti’s “get-rich-schemes” organisation?

4. Does slapping Christian language on Pat Mesiti’s work and getting people “handing their cash over taking a leap of faith,” make his content 100% authentic Christianity?

5. If Pat Mesiti provides “no audit trails, no published success rates to prove it one way or the other,” then why is it also rare to hear these success stories in Hillsong and C3 Church?

6. What are the chances that Pat Mesiti got his prosperity theology from his ‘pastor’ friends Brian Houston and Phil Pringle?

Please keep these questions in mind as Fairfax NZ News reports the following:

Just who’s getting rich quick?

BY ROB STOCK

Books have always been used by salesmen to enhance their credibility, though a new series arriving in New Zealand takes that to a new pitch.

The nine books in the Millionaire Makers series ($14.99 each) tempt buyers with promises of “$100,000 in 100 days”, achieving “financial abundance for life”, or “Cracking the million dollar sales code”.

But these are really advertisements disguised as books, trying to drum up bums on seats for seminars in Auckland’s Aotea Centre in August, November and February at which the nine authors – some of the biggest names of the Australian wealth seminar scene – will attempt to sell mentoring schemes, high-risk options trading systems, boxed software programs and even franchise-style online marketing businesses to Kiwis who want to barely work at all and yet be fantastically rich.

Each book contains a “free” invitation to a seminar “worth $1994” (a very specific sum derived by comparison to the pricing of the seminars of US motivational speaker Tony Robbins).

In effect, punters who pick the books up from the natty black display stands in bookstores around the country are being asked to buy the advertisement for the seminar.

It’s brilliant marketing really, as befits the man behind the series, former evangelical pastor Pat Mesiti, now a preacher in the secular church of financial abundance.

Mesiti is a fascinating and charismatic man to meet, not least because of his colourful background as a preacher with the evangelical and highly commercial Hillsong church in Australia.

There’s no doubting the energy of the diminutive Mesiti (who is in great nick for a man whose brows now sport receding grey locks) nor his acute awareness that any journalist he meets is a single internet search away from learning about his past.

In fact, Yahoo’s new helpful habit of trying to anticipate your searching requirements suggested I add the word “scandal” to my search command even before I finished typing Mesiti’s name.

Consequently, it is he who brings up his public disgrace in 2001 when he was stood down as a preacher at Hillsong for visiting prostitutes, a scandal that led him to reinvent himself on the wealth-creation speaking circuit.

It’s still a sensitive point. As we talk the phone goes. A current affairs show producer calls as we talk, asking Mesiti to front for an interview. “Are they dirt-diggers?” he asks nervously, clearly weary of constantly revisiting his sexual sins.

Hillsong church and Mesiti still have much in common, including the message that God and Jesus want their believers to be rich, and, unusually, that Jesus was himself wealthy.

Mesiti sums it up for me. He doesn’t believe Jesus was broke. If Jesus was poor why did he have a treasurer? How could he have afforded to keep such a retinue of disciples? How else could he have afforded to take so much time off work?

Mesiti adheres to the school of thought among predominantly US preachers with a penchant for the good life that Jesus was wealthy, and what’s more, the mainstream churches know it, but are keeping the truth from people in order to amass riches for themselves (Mesiti points out that mainstream churches are among some of the biggest landowners in the world).

Mesiti’s stance is not far from Hillsong head man Brian Houston’s claim that true Christians are money magnets. “If you believe in Jesus, he will reward you here as well [as in heaven],” he once told a Sydney Morning Herald reporter.

Mesiti claims that despite having left Hillsong, he has a similar mission to the wealth- dispensing God. “I tell the people, their prosperity is my passion,” he says.

The nine authors of the Millionaire Makers series share that mission, Mesiti claims. That’s handy, because it is the only way to address the key paradox of the motivational speaker/ professional mentor: If they are so wealthy and successful, what are they doing on the speaking circuit flogging their books and mentoring systems?

“Those that can, do. Those that can’t, teach,” is the old saw that comes to mind, particularly for a journalist who has met many financially successful people.

The standard response is that they have a mission to teach and to free humanity from the shackles of society/poor schooling/bad parenting, which all combine in a malign conspiracy to keep us from the secrets of wealth.

Of course, the way to break free from the shackles and achieve wealth quickly and painlessly, according to the Mesiti school of thought, is to buy the book/the mentoring scheme/the software. Such mentoring brings “wisdom without the wait”, he tells me.

For the record, this cynical journalist for one is deeply sceptical about get-rich-quick schemes. I have no doubt they work – the problem is, I think they work for those selling them, not those buying them.

There are no audit trails, no published success rates to prove it one way or the other.

That leaves those handing their cash over taking a leap of faith.

I wouldn’t dispute that speakers like Mesiti can be a powerful force to motivate people to get out there and improve their lot, but it’s hard not to see that as secondary to the sales pitch. Pick your gurus carefully.

Source: Rob Stock, Just who’s getting rich quick?, Fairfax NZ News, http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/2548780/Just-whos-getting-rich-quick, Last Updated 29/06/2009. (Accessed 02/12/2012.)

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Warning: Hillsong Music Spreads Their False Doctrine

19 Wednesday Dec 2012

Posted by Nailed Truth in Books

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Christians have often wondered if it is safe to sing Hillsong music in their churches. To answer this question, we would like to point our readers to Brian Houston’s book “You Need More Money”. On the back cover, Houston advertises that this book is about how people can “become a money magnet”.

Houston reveals in the conclusion of his book that Hillsong music does capture his false prosperity gospel. Quick reminder – although he doesn’t express this in his book, Houston believes you cannot be right-standing with God or be in God’s will unless you put him first in your finances. Keep this in mind as you read below.

Here is the conclusion of Houstons book.

CONCLUSION

MORE THAN ENOUGH

“More than I could hope or dream of

You have poured your favour on me

One day in the house of God is

Better than a thousand in the world

So blessed, I can’t contain it

So much, I’ve got to give it away

Your love taught me to live now

You are more than enough for me*

The words of this song are a powerful confession of the promise of God. Written by Reuben Morgan, a young songwriter and worship leader in our church, he was inspired to write this song by the theme of the teachings in this book and the revelation of God’s blessing in one’s life.

With the heart of a loving Father, God wants to see you blessed in every area of your life, but His provision is so that  you can bless others. You aren’t meant to hoard or contain it for yourself.

The principle is FIRST the Kingdom, and THEN all things will be added to you. As you begin to expand your thinking and apply His Word, you will see the promises of God at work in your life.

I love to see the people of our church being blessed, and I love to see the Word working in their lives, as they move forward and grow in God. I even love seeing things added to their lives, especially when I know they are building on the principle of first the Kingdom! It means that they are not only successful and blessed, but that they are unable to contain it, reaching out and making an impact beyond their own world.

My prayer is that this book releases you into a new dimension of blessing, that you are challenged to stretch and increase in all God has for your life. Yes, YOU NEED MORE MONEY – but now I trust you know why!” – Brian Houston, You Need More Money, Alken Press: Smithsfiedl, NSW, 1999, pg. 133-134. * © 1999 Reuben Morgan/Hillsong Music Australia.

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