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Why Pat Mesiti is still a Hillsong/C3 “Pastor” Pat Mesiti (sermon review included)

18 Monday Jan 2016

Posted by Nailed Truth in Brian Houston's Beliefs, Hillsong Associations, News Headlines

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A'Bell, arrest, Brian Houston, C3, Hillsong, Hillsong Church, houston, Joel A'Bell, mesiti, Pat Mesiti, steve west, West, wifebeater

People have started asking the question: “Is Pat Mesiti is still a pastor at either Hillsong or C3?” (Due to his recent arrest after beating his wife.) Even though Pat Mesiti was exposed in a scandal that expelled him from his position at Hillsong, evidence shows he is STILL considered a pastor in the Hillsong and C3 movements.

The proof of this is the fact he is still able to travel between Hillsong & C3 churches AND apparently speak in a pastoral context from their pulpits, (remember, the official role of a church pastor is to teach/preach from the pulpit). AND we are yet to hear an official statement denying that Pat Mesiti is a Hillsong or C3 pastor.

As we’ve written earlier,

“Just like Phil Pringle and Brian Houston, Mesiti wanted to be seen as a motivational speaker. He talks about how Hillsong and C3 have helped make him into someone who wants to make him a better pastor and business man in “evangelism, crusades” and “business functions”. Another article also informed us how Brian Houston was also there to guide, counsel and support Pat Mesiti.”

HILLSONG “PASTOR” PAT MESITI

You can read our article here, covering Pat Mesiti preaching at Hillsong London in 2010.

Money-Making Mesiti ‘Ministering’ At Hillsong London In 2010…

We also know that Senior Pastor Joel A’Bell from Hillsong , as early as 2010, defended “Pastor” Pat Mesiti from critics.

 

On the 13th of October 2010, Joel A’Bell posted this tweet, which came through on his FaceBook wall,

A genuine leader will never exploit your emotions or your pocketbook. Matt 7:16 MSG.

proof_Twitter-JoelA'Bell-7-16MSG-MesitiSteveWestResponse_18-01-2016

In reality, the Message is NOT a valid translation of the bible. It’s a paraphrase that is filled with pagan and new age references. Nevertheless, Eugene Peterson did capture  the nature of today’s false teachers rather well –  they DO “exploit the wallet”. This particular scripture attracted Hillsong critic Steve West and others to protest the fact that Hillsong pastor Pat Mesiti DOES exploit Hillsong member’s emotions and their “pocketbook”.

Steve West was the first to respond,

And thus will likely not have offerings at every meeting, conference, cell group and college chapel service.

This led into questions as to why Hillsong’s disgraced pastor Pat Mesiti was acknowledged as a pastor at Hillsong London on Joel A’Bell’s wall. Many people, including Hillsong attendees, were surprised he was reinstated at all and protested other sins of Mesiti to Joel. By this stage, Mesiti was rapidly earning the reputation, world-wide, as an international con-artist from 2009 onwards, with his ongoing endorsement of men renowned for their dubious integrity.

The fact that Mesiti endorsed notorious con-artist “AussieRob” did not help strengthen his reputation as a con-artist. Read more here:

Aussie Rob – Lifestyle trader
LifestyleTrader.com.au (Aussie Rob) Review

This did not stop Joel A’Bell from defending AND endorsing the apparently restored Hillsong “Pastor” Pat Mesiti from speaking at Hillsong London.

Joel Abell Quote

So why was Hillsong allowing Pat Mesiti to speak at Hillsong London – in spite of critics pointing out how Mesiti fulfilled the scripture that Joel A’Bell put up on his FaceBook wall? In fact, this snippet of Pat Mesiti in 2009 was put up in the conversation on Joel Abell’s wall back in 2010:

Source: By speakercoach, Pat Mesiti Millionaire Mindset reveals the best tips on public speaking and presentation skills, YouTube, https://youtu.be/fldjYzfLUxw, Uploaded 16/04/2009. (Accessed 18/01/2016.)

proof_YouTube-Mesiti-EmotionOpensTheChequeBook_18-01-2016

In spite of the evidence put up by these critics, Senior Hillsong pastor, Joel A’Bell, defended Pat Mesiti speaking at Hillsong London in 2010 in his comment section:

“I knew Pat before, during and after his moral failure. Those who don’t know him should keep their comments in closer circles or to themselves. I find these public comments about Pat to be unloving. He is well on track in his restoration…”

“I said to keep it close (or) to your self. They could put their unrelated issues on their own wall. I wouldn’t use your wall to push my pet topics. Would make more sense if I had of posted something about Pat but this just screems of immaturity…”

Throughout this entire conversation, Joel A’Bell did NOT refute the assumption that Pat Mesiti was a Hillsong pastor. His continual defense of Pat Mesiti speaking at Hillsong London only confirmed the fact that Pat Mesiti was still a Hillsong Pastor (or affiliated with Hillsong’s leadership). Furthermore, he defended Pat Mesiti as one of their own.

It is clear that Hillsong, as an organization, was NOT acting in ignorance but validating and treating Pat Mesiti as a RESTORED pastor in their movement. Otherwise, why have him speak as a pastor at Hillsong London?

We note in 2014, Mesiti’s “loyal friend,” Brian Houston said:

“Literally, it didn’t only cost him his ministry, it cost him his marriage, it cost him his home, he lost his home, it cost him everything. The only thing he had was loyal friends and perhaps that’s the greatest thing we can have anyway, is loyal friends.

And there were people who stuck with him, people who I know here in our congregation who stuck with him. I was talking with him yesterday on the phone, actually text messages, same thing these days, and ahhh he was telling me that after years of rebuilding his life, just constantly rebuilding his life that the house he lost that his sin, his shame had cost him, he is on the edge of perhaps buying back.” [Source]

Brian has made it clear. Mesiti is still alive and well as a “restored” Hillsong pastor, he still has close relations with Brian Houston. In fact, Brian Houston used Pat Mesiti an example in this sermon of how one can be restored. Restored into what?

C3 “PASTOR” PAT MESITI:

We’ve also covered how C3 “Pastor” Mesiti spoke at C3 RealMen’s Conference and had no problem speaking on C3’s Positive Hits:

C3 Continues To Endorse Money-Magnet Mesiti

But our main focus is to draw your attention to Pat Mesiti preaching at C3 Church in 2013:

Source: By c3churchtv, C3 Online – 20/10/2013 | Pat Mesiti – The Joseph Generation, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdgdrEMoAK0, Uploaded 21/10/2013. (Accessed 11/08/2014.)

proof_YouTube-PatMesitiC3_06-01-2016

In this specific sermon, not only is what Pat Mesiti saying blasphemous, he also refers to his involvement with Hillsong.

In the sermon above, Mesiti says,

“I said that at Hillsong London at the Freddie Mercury theatre.”

So something tells us Mesiti has not been broadcasting his other Hillsong “pastoral” engagements. Furthermore he states (present tense),

“I have a preacher on every single day… This year I’ve invited Bob Harrison and Pastor Phil Pringle to be our chaplains. This is where we raise the million dollars for missions… On here is Brian Houston. On here are my spiritual and business mentors.”

What is interesting about the sermon above, as Chris Rosebrough reviews it on his program ‘Fighting for the Faith‘, he clearly exposes the prosperity cult theology (and predatory nature) that Mesiti appears to have fine-tuned from his association with long term “pastoral” friends and mentors, Phil Pringle and Brian Houston.

It’s well worth listening to the sermon review to prove that this man is STILL used as an example to follow by Brian Houston. And because his life is a “success story”, one can assume that’s what qualifies people like Pat Mesiti to be pastors in the C3 and Hillsong prosperity cults.

Hee Haw

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PROGRAM SEGMENTS:

• Ed Young’s Hee Haw Sermon
• Bishop Tudor Bismark’s The Big Fish Anointing
• Jim Bakker’s Prophecy Fear Mongering For Dollars
• Sermon Review: The Joseph Generation by Pat Mesiti

Source: Chris Rosebrough, Hee Haw, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.piratechristian.com/fightingforthefaith/2015/5/hee-haw, Published 01/05/2015. (Accessed 06/01/2015.)

Clearly there is NOTHING regenerate or “restored” in Pat Mesiti’s life. The signs were there even before he was charged with assaulting his wife. So why on earth would Hillsong/C3 hold onto him? Why would Hillsong and C3 have him (unbiblically) re-instated as a pastor when there are so many others who could easily replace him?

There has to be more to this than meets the eye.

NOTE: SCREEN GRAB TAKEN ON 18/01/2016.

Heavy-handed Hillsong: Houston releases his lawyers on Mr West.

02 Tuesday Jun 2015

Posted by Nailed Truth in Brian Houston's Beliefs, Hillsong Fascism, News Headlines

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Brian Houston, George Aghajanian, Hillsong, Hillsong Church, houston, Lawyers, letter, Mr West, steve west

“I got a legal threat from Brian. My original Facebook article on Hillsong was pulled.”

Source: Steve West, By Michael Fackerell, Dialogue with a former Believer who renounced Faith in God, Christian-Faith.com,  http://www.christian-faith.com/dialogue-with-a-former-believer-who-renounced-faith-in-god/, Published 30/05/2013. (Accessed 2/06/2015.)

BRIAN HOUSTON: THE BULLY

The question is often asked why we remain anonymous. This article shows what happens to those who ask too many questions publically. Quite a while ago, we looked at Steve West (formerly involved in ministry at Hillsong) and the Australian media that exposed the problematic behaviour found in Hillsong and its leadership.

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 1)
The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 2)
The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 3)
The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 4)

When Steve West Went To The Media
George Aghajanian Responds To The Steve West Media Saga

What came out of this media saga are the personal responses from other high profile Hillsong leaders:

Brian Houston Responds To The Steve West Media Saga

In Aghajanian’s response above George stated,

“This matter has been referred to our solicitors and any decision we make going forward will be made after prayerful consideration.”

We also found that Brian Houston of Hillsong tweeted back in 2010 the following:

Have been talking to lawyers
Source: Brian Houston, Twitter, https://twitter.com/brianchouston/status/19724455742, 1:05 AM – 28 Jul 2010. (Accessd 15/05/2015.)

proof_TwitterBrianLawyerTalking_15-05-2015

What did Brian Houston hope to achieve by publicly tweeting this? Is this as an act of intimidation towards Steve West?

We recently came across this letter that Steve West received from Hillsong’s lawyers back in 2010. The articles that Houston has personally responded to in the letter are the articles we have posted from Steve West (listed above).

THE LETTER

The letters reads,

Mills Oakley
Lawyers

Mr. Steve West
By email

Email: knightontherock@hotmail.com

Dear Sir

HILLSONG CHURCH & BRIAN HOUSTON

We act for Hillsong Church and Pastor Brian Houston.

Our client has referred us to Facebook postings lodged by you and in particular a posting made on 9 July 2010 at 11.45 pm. That posting has prompted significant further chartroom dialogue from others.

In very broad terms the 9 July posting by you contains allegations that:

1. Hillsong loses half of its membership every five years;
2. The Hillsong culture is one of intolerance and it behaves in an un-Christian manner;
3. Hillsong is exploitative of its members of its Church;
4. Brian Houston personally profits from gifts by members of the Church to it in a dishonest and improper way;
5. Hillsong is dishonest about its financial dealings;
6. The dishonesty practice by Hillsong Church is deep and systematic;
7. Brian Houston behaves deceptively in statements he makes as the leader of Hillsong;
8. Hillsong “dupes” people;
9. Hillsong is a “con”.

The allegations contained in your post are defamatory of both Hillsong and Pastor Houston. The allegations are extremely serious as they contend that both Hillsong Church and Pastor Houston behave dishonestly and disreputably in their conduct.

Adding to the damage suffered by the making of the allegations alone is the repetition of them in chatroom discussions by other visitors to your Facebook page. The very content of your posting prompts the further defamation of our clients effectively at your request.

Further, we understand that you have been speaking to media organizations in relation to Hillsong and that in part you have repeated some of the allegations contained in your blog posting.

The allegations referred to above are all false as we are instructed. We understand that the material posted by you has prompted further publication of allegations in media outlets in relations to our clients. These further publications are at least in part based on the matters set out by you. Your conduct in the publication of these false allegations has prompted further false matters to be published by media organizations.

Our clients have suffered and continue to suffer significant reputational damage from the post made by you.

We are instructed that both Hillsong and Pastor Houston do not seek to censor or otherwise limit you making observations or criticisms about Hillsong, the Church, the principles it espouses and its conduct generally. Hillsong and Pastor Houston acknowledge your right to disagree with the Church and its followers.

However, both Hillsong and Pastor Houston do not accept the publication of false allegations about them by you in the terms set out above or at all.

We request on behalf of our clients that you immediately withdraw the post of 14 July 2010 and to the extent possible remove any further reference to that post in any response you have received on your Facebook page so that none of this material is available on the internet or at all.

Further, our clients instructs us to demand that you refrain from repeating these allegations in the future. You should not repeat these allegations either in matter you post on the web or in any interview or conversation you have with a journalist or member of the media.

Again, our client does not seek that you make no further comment about Hillsong or Pastor Houston, but that you make comments that are factually accurate and do not contain false allegations.

Whilst our clients reserve their rights in relation to the matters published by you in the past, they have instructed us to send this letter in the expectation that you act appropriately in the future after having these matters brought to your attention.

If you have any questions or require further information please do not hesitate to contact Damian Ward on 61 2 8289 5862 or dward@millsoakley.com.au.

Your faithfully,

DAMIAN WARD
PARTNER 

Source:

Hillsong Threat 1 Hillsong Threat 2

“Whoever walks in integrity walks securely, but he who makes his ways crooked will be found out.” Proverbs 10:9 

George Aghajanian Responds To The Steve West Media Saga

15 Friday May 2015

Posted by Nailed Truth in News Headlines

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Aghajanian, Board, cult, elders, General Manager, George Aghajanian, Hillsong, Hillsong cult, Hillsong NY, Manager, steve west, West, word games

Quite a while ago, we looked at Steve West, and the Australian media, expose the appalling systematic and problematic behaviour found in Hillsong and its leadership.

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 1)
The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 2)
The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 3)
The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 4)
When Steve West Went To The Media

What came out of this media saga was Brian Houston’s personal response:

Brian Houston Responds To The Steve West Media Saga

While this response was for his church members and external audiences, Brian Houston’s friend George Aghajanian also responded to the media by writing a letter specifically to Hillsong members.

There were a few sections in the letter below that caught our eye which we will respond to in future articles (some in relation to the Royal Commission) . However, this got Steve West’s attention:

“If you have any questions or concerns, I would encourage you to speak to our leadership or pastoral team. Our website contains further information on our church governance policies and you can always speak directly to me or my team.”

Steve West exposed the facade of George Aghajanian and the “Elders and Board of Hillsong Church”.

I noted dryly that George said in the letter that Hillsong doesn’t refuse to meet up with people who want to see the books.

That was never my allegation.

I met up with George, yes.

But he showed me NOTHING.

Source: Steve West (Emblazoned), Hillsong’s Snailing Love for Brian Houston, Signposts02, https://signposts02.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/hillsongs-snailing-love-for-brian-houston/#comment-12447, Published 9/08/2010 AT 10:47 PM. (Accessed 15/05/2015.)

The point is, no one can trust Hillsong’s leaders when they resort to postmodern obfuscation and word games. That is, unless you have been conditioned by this type of trickery you are about to read.

Signposts02 writes,

Now I was emailed by an anonymous person what George Aghajanian was doing in Hillsong. He is the Hillsong general manager and he has snail-mailed this letter during the week about the Sunday Telegraph article.

hs-ga1 hillsong letter lies bully

hs-ga1 hillsong letter lies bully 2

Source: S&P, Hillsong’s Snailing Love for Brian Houston, Signposts02, https://signposts02.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/hillsongs-snailing-love-for-brian-houston/, Published 09/08/2010. (Accessed 15/05/2015.)

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 6)

14 Tuesday Jan 2014

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Brian Houston, Hillsong, Hillsong Church, phil pringle, steve west

Before reading the article by Steve West, it is important to understand who Steve West is.

Steve studied for his Diploma in Christian Ministry at Hillsong International Leadership College in 2001 and 2002.

During that time he served in most ministry areas – kids, youth, carpark, sound, new Christians, offering collection and ushering. He worked closely with many leaders and gave virtually all his available time and money to the church, volunteering at all conferences in that time and spending an average of six to seven days a week at Hillsong Church. He progressed to an effective pastor position at an affiliated church and ran a local young adults ministry effectively for several years.

Read his earlier articles here to see where he is coming from in the below article:

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 1)

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 2)

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 3)

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 4)

When Steve West Went To The Media

Brian Houston Responds To The Steve West Media Saga

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 5)

(Before reading, we would like offer a correction to the below article: Hillsong and C3 do not represent the beliefs and practices of Pentecostalism. These movements are cults that have hi-jacked and morphed the ideas and practices of Pentecostalism. As a result, they are leading many unknowing Pentecostal churches down their road of liberalism and neo-gnostic paganism (occultism) through their Word of Faith teachings.)

Steve West writes the following.

The Dishonest Church

by Steve West on Saturday, 28 August 2010 at 14:14 ·

“Pastors and other trained professionals of the church often have developed a system of beliefs that is qualitatively different from the faith they communicate to local congregations. Their individual faith has developed, in most cases, after an intense and sometimes painful time of questioning, dismantling, and reconstruction. For reasons that are not clear, these leaders assume that local church members are either unwilling or unable to survive a similar process. So, in an act of dishonesty that threatens to erode the core of the church’s mission, they hold one kind of faith for themselves while the literature they produce for the laity and the sermons they deliver assume another, basically different, style of faith for the non-professional.”

-Good, The Dishonest Church

Lifted from here: http://mysticalseeker.blogspot.com/2007/03/dishonest-church.html

Of course, I would observe that the Pentecostal church leaders are simply unaware of the biblical textual criticisms. This leads to their greater vitality, and ignorance.

Brian Houston only holds a diploma of ministry. I’d hardly be willing to ask him or Phil Pringle how to deal with source theory.

They’re not interested in those issues, even though for most of the Western world, these issues, plus evolution, destroyed any desire to engage with a literal reading of the text.

These Pentecostal churches aren’t the faithful remnant.

They are the uneducated remnant, using rhetoric to shield themselves from these issues.

Source: Steve West, The Dishonest Church, http://www.facebook.com/notes/steve-west/the-dishonest-church/463207876927, 28/08/2010. (Accessed 18/11/2012.)

(Disclaimer: The views of Steve West do not necessarily represent our own personal views. We have decided to publish his articles so people may witness his journey out of Hillsong.)

This is the last article of the series. We hope you have found this series informative.

NOTE: SCREEN GRAB WAS TAKEN ON THE 18/11/2012.

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 5)

13 Monday Jan 2014

Posted by Nailed Truth in News Headlines

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ethical, Hillsong, media, news, steve west

Before reading the article by Steve West, it is important to understand who Steve West is.

Steve studied for his Diploma in Christian Ministry at Hillsong International Leadership College in 2001 and 2002.

During that time he served in most ministry areas – kids, youth, carpark, sound, new Christians, offering collection and ushering. He worked closely with many leaders and gave virtually all his available time and money to the church, volunteering at all conferences in that time and spending an average of six to seven days a week at Hillsong Church. He progressed to an effective pastor position at an affiliated church and ran a local young adults ministry effectively for several years.

Read his earlier articles here to see where he is coming from in the below article:

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 1)

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 2)

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 3)

The Steve West & Hillsong Saga (Part 4)

When Steve West Went To The Media

Brian Houston Responds To The Steve West Media Saga

Steve West writes the following. (Warning: rude language is used below in his article.) Observe how people treated him and his criticisms.

Post Article Discussion (FULL ARTICLE IN COMMENT LINK)

by Steve West on Monday, 26 July 2010 at 12:49 ·

So, the Telegraph article from Adam Shand (thanks mate, you did a great job and you were a pleasure to interact with) has been published.

And life goes on.

The online version is short, and hopefully the full version can be uploaded soon. For those who know me personally, I do have some copies of the paper if you’re bold enough to ask me for one.

In the printed version, there are two seperate two page spreads (4 pages in total). The first spread is similar in content to the online article. The second goes into more discussion and is the one that references me.

So let me describe me reaction from two perspectives; 1) emotionally and 2) rationally.

1. Emotionally, I must say it’s a cathartic release to be given something of a voice. I have spent years in a system where the pressure not to criticise is intense. It really staggers my mind that where there are reasons to have serious questions, hordes of people smother it over with “nowhere is perfect move on”. If there was childhood slavery in the suburb next to yours, would you shrug and say “nowhere is perfect, I don’t want to be a critic”. The example is extreme but the point remains. The irrationality of people telling me for years “shut up” takes its toll. My favourite messages are still those who said I am a tool of Satan, and another that said “I know for a fact you cannot worship the Christian God”. There were plenty more along these lines.

So it is therapeutic to have my voice heard at a higher level. It gives a sense that I am affirmed as not being a crazy person – that my perspective isn’t that of a fringe and lunatic ‘cynic’ with a ‘bitter spirit’. I’m just a normal guy who calls Bullshit on big organisations when I see it. I was given reason to call bullshit. I’m still waiting for any Hillsonger, be it a pastor I’ve met up with or a member, actually address my points. They still love playing the man and not the ball. It’s all up for people to see now.

2. The article demonstrates certain aspects of my case quite well. As I suspected, there is nothing illegal, but there are aspects that most decent folk would consider unethical.

Brian earns 300k, plus a slush fund for personal expenses from LMI of close to a million a year, plus use of LMI cars and properties. Someone might object to a preacher having all this – but the injustice that the article drives at is that all this is tax free. Brian is using laws designed to accomodate small religious congregations to live an essentially CEO lifestyle. If you cannot see why that is wrong, then I seriously question your understanding of how taxation works. You would object if the extremely wealthy paid no tax but the middle class paid almost 40% of their income. So here is a clergyman, his income derived from tithes and gifts of people seeking help in their life, living tax free.

It’s not illegal, but rather unethical.

Of course, I will never really be able to get over the simple fact that I was told the books were open, and they were not.

If you support Hillsong, you have to do some interesting mental gymnastics to explain to yourself how that is not Bullshit.

Why not just admit to yourself that Hillsong might not be all that you think it is? And then, look at church culture and practices. The culture that doesnt permit questions. The emphasis on giving that is far higher than other churches, and reached abusive heights of teaching that you are under a curse if you don’t tithe. Then you do the math.

As for me, the public has vindicated my voice. I spoke out for the sake of the public, I have been listened to. Now I can rest my case, and leave it to those more capable than I, and let the public be aware and informed.

PS. Joel a’bell did show some interest in meeting up, but remained tentative. I also had an offer to meet up with Chrishan, that I wasn’t able to follow up as I got overwhelmed. Chrishan had offered to meet up with me many years ago as well, but to be honest, I forgot about that. I’ve already met up with Hillsong pastors in the past, and to be honest, it doesn’t achieve much. They listen, but then are unable to confirm or deny my case about the money, and in the past never pursued it any further. So it becomes a fairly pointless exercise.

PPS. I’ve had an offer from Today Tonight. Not sure about that.

Source: Steve West, Post Article Discussion (FULL ARTICLE IN COMMENT LINK), http://www.facebook.com/notes/steve-west/post-article-discussion-full-article-in-comment-link/451266326927, 26/07/2010. (Accessed 18/11/2012.)

(Disclaimer: The views of Steve West do not necessarily represent our own personal views. We have decided to publish his articles so people may witness his journey out of Hillsong.)

NOTE: SCREEN GRAB WAS TAKEN ON THE 18/11/2012.

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