Rosebrough exposes Hillsong’s copy/paste statement of beliefs as a sham?

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Chris Rosebrough from Fighting for the Faith recently tackled Hillsong’s statement of beliefs in light of the Broadway couple controversy.

Chris Rosebrough writes,

Questions for Hillsong’s Leadership RE: Repentance & Homosexuality

I have questions regarding Hillsong’s doctrinal statement and how it relates to recent statements made by Hillsong’s leadership as it pertains to homosexual sins.

The Hillsong Church’s Statement of Beliefs (online source) clearly states:

We believe that in order to receive forgiveness and the ‘new birth’ we must repent of our sins, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and submit to His will for our lives.

Hillsong believes that a person (regardless of their sins) can receive forgiveness of their sins and the new birth through repentance and belief in Jesus Christ. This repentance then is demonstrated through a person’s submission to God’s revealed will, i.e. abandoning their sin and bearing fruit in keeping with their repentance.

That being the case, Hillsong’s Statement of Beliefs conversely teach that an impenitent sinner (regardless of their sins) does not receive forgiveness of their sins and the new birth. One of the sure signs of impenitence would then logically have to be an openly sinful lifestyle that is marked by open rebellion to God’s revealed will for our lives.

Since scripture is explicitly clear that homosexuality is sinful in both thought (Rom 1:24–27, Jude 1:7) and deed (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, 1 Cor 6:9–10, Jude 1:7), a person who claims to be a Christian who is openly and proudly participating in a same-sex relationship is, by definition, impenitent and should not be considered a Christian, yet alone a “devout Christian”.

Therefore, how can it possibly be loving to homosexuals (since dying in impenitence results in spending eternity in Hell), faithful to the scriptures and in obedience to Christ and His Word, for Hillsong to not boldly and publicly proclaim that homosexuality is a sin and call homosexuals to repent and receive Christ’s forgiveness and the new birth and then submit to God’s will for their lives, as their Statement of Beliefs so clearly says is necessary for salvation?

Is Hillsong’s Statement of Beliefs a sham? What’s the point of having a Statement of Beliefs if you don’t publicly preach and practice in accordance with what it says?

χάρις ἔλεος εἰρήνη σοι,

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Source: By Chris Rosebrough, Questions for Hillsong’s Leadership RE: Repentance & Homosexuality, Fighting for the Faith,http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2015/08/questions-for-hillsongs-leadership-re-repentance-and-homosexuality.html, Accessed 19/08/2015.

Timeline of events: The Brian, the “church” and the closet

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For years, Hillsong has been vague on their stances on various issues. Whenever questioned or confronted on clear Christian stances, they play word games to weasel their way out of giving direct biblical answers. Even before the controversial story of Joshua Canfield and Reed Kelly broke out, Hillsong have already created distrust among Christians due to their postmodern obfuscation tactics.

So when this story broke, it wasn’t very surprising for many Christians to find that Hillsong had homosexuals in positions of leadership. However, this did confirm to many Christians that both homosexual, Christians and the global community cannot trust Hillsong, even if their life depended on it.

Josh Canfield Reed Kelly Hillsong United

The main issue here isn’t that there are homosexuals leading worship at Hillsong, (although that is a byproduct of it). The problem is the fact that Hillsong still refuses to handle God’s Word faithfully and stand for the things God stands for. And worse still, because of Hillsong’s rejection of the bible, they still have the audacity to call themselves a ‘church’ or ‘Christian’.

The reason why Christiansor non-Christians, homosexuals or heterosexuals are abused and destroyed by Hillsong is because of their lack of transparency, integrity and honesty. Putting it bluntly – truth is absent. And because the spirit of Hillsong is not based on the Spirit of Truth, the abuse will get worse.

The issue in all this is that Hillsong is a house of liars, being built on liars and being defended by liars. And when you see how they reacted against Christians, the facts, the biblical stance on same sex issues and how they went behind the scenes to save face over the recent same-sex controversy – one help can’t wonder if anyone can hold them accountable to future sins or crimes.

We put this timeline together to ask these glaring questions:

1. Would Hillsong have been in this mess if they were upfront and honest to begin with?
2. Do you think Brian Houston really had the homosexual couple in mind when he wrote that media statement, or do you think he was trying to save his own skin?
3. The secular media reported on the same sex couple attending Hillsong and when they got engaged. Hillsong was silent when that broke. But when Christians discernment websites accurately reported it using the information available and confronted it using clear Biblical passages, Hillsong was quick to condemn them. Why were they so quick to issue a statement against the clear Biblical responses?
4. If Brian does lean towards traditional Christianity and to the teachings of the Apostle Paul, why issue a statement at all? Why not just apologize and deal with it using Biblical standards?
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Why did James White, Dr. Brown and Saiko Woods believe the information available was wrong to begin with? (It looks like the common factor between the three is Carl Lentz.)
6. Why was the Christian media (EIC) so slow to write about this; and when they did, why were they so quick to cast stones at those who were doing the Christian media’s job?

TIMELINE

29/07/2015 at 8:50 Date the article was given to us on FaceBook.

FaceBook Post

29/07/2015 Date we broke the article.

Now THIS is sexy entertainment!

29/07/2015, 8:05 Date and time Chris Rosebrough broke the story.

“Famous Gay Couple, who attend Hillsong NYC claim to be devoted Christians, volunteer with Hillsong’s choir AND say they’ll remain abstinent until marriage.” [Edited]

29/07/2015 Date and time Chris Rosebrough broke the story on radio.

The Absalom Spirit? **Link Fixed**

02/08/2015 Date when NowTheEndBegins (NTEB) broke their story.

Hillsong NYC Church Has An ‘Engaged’ Openly Homosexual Couple Leading The Choir

0Date Stand Up For The Truth (SUFTT) shared the NTEB story.

UPDATE: Hillsong issues statement 8 months after worship leader announces his upcoming homosexual marriage

(No date when update was made.)
We noticed what SUFTT noticed: “Today, less than 24 hours after this story published, finally, Hillsong issues a press release.)

03-04/08/2015.. Hillsong released their press release.

Hillsong media statement.

04/08/2015 Date and time Chris Rosebrough continued the story on radio.

Mike Murdock Likes Onions On His Tacos

05/08/2015 Date Jordan Hall released story on his blog.

Rosebrough on Hillsong and Homosexuality

05/08/2015 Date James White came onto the subject.

Seer Stones, Hillsong Church, and KJVOnly Deceitfulness

05/08/2015 Date SamSame published an article on the Broadway Couple.

Hillsong Church “surprised” by engaged choir couple

06/08/2015 Date Chris Rosebrough further researched this story on radio.

Postmodern Language Games

06/08/2015 9:30am Edited Date & Time Michael Brown launched smear campaign against Christian (Charisma News).

Hillsong, Homosexuality, Internet Rumors and Spiritual Clarity

07/08/2015 Date Jordan Hall weighed in on this issue.

Hillsong and Homosexuality: The Real Story

07/08/2015 11:31am Date & Time Michael Brown launched smear campaign against (Christian Post).

Hillsong Homosexuality, Internet Rumors, and Spiritual Clarity

08/08/2015 Pulpit and Pen add further commentary.

Oh, You Didn’t Know? Hillsong and the Broadway Boyfriends

08/08/2015 Pulpit and Pen break news on Homosexual couple’s statement.

Homosexual Couple Contradicts Brian Houston

08/08/2015 Pulpit and Pen Discuss Hillsong controversy on radio.

Podcast: Hillsong and Discernment

09/08/2015 Date Jordan Hall called out Brian Houston on his media statement.

The Smoking Gun: Brian Houston Acknowledges Ministry of Gay Couple at Hillsong NYC – on video – Back in 2014

10/08/2015 Date Jonathan Merritt promotes Carl Lentz lies and smears Christians.

Why Survivor’s ‘Broadway Boyfriends’ will keep singing with Hillsong Church

There are some articles in the above timeline we know we have missed. If you have any articles and dates you would like to add to this timeline that you think are important, please email: c3churchwatch@hotmail.com.

*Twitter conversations not included.

Rosebrough’s interviews with ex-Hillsong insiders Elisabeth & Tanya Levin

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While his Pirate Christian Radio conference was on, Chris Rosebrough (from Fighting for the Faith), had two insightful interviews with two ex-Hillsong members.

His first interview was with Elisabeth from Oslo, her testimony how her church was taken over by Hillsong.

The Power of the Pulse?

Click Here to Download this episode

Program segments:

• T.D. Jakes and the Power of the Pulse
• Nicole Crank and You’ve Got a Dirty Mind
• Steven Furtick – Uses and Abuses Mark 5
• Interview with Elizabeth from Norway RE: Her Time at a Mega-Church that Joined Hillsong

Source: Chris Rosebrough, The Power of the Pulse?, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2015/07/the-power-of-the-pulse.html, Published 27/07/2015. (Accessed 05/08/2015.)

You can read Elisabeth’s series of articles here on ChurchWatch Central:

Hillsong Insider (Part 1): “My exit out of a mega church… Never to return again”
Hillsong Insider (Part 2): “The Hillsong Takeover of a Norwegian Charismatic Mega Church”
Hillsong Insider (Part 3): “Secrecy is a Hillsong trademark”

His second interview was with Tanye Levin from Australia, her testimony how her church was taken over by Hillsong.

Tanya Levin Hillsong Brian Houston

Tanya Levin – author of People in Glass Houses

Here is the interview between Chris Rosebrough and Tanya Levin.

The Absalom Spirit? **Link Fixed**

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Program segments:

• Prophecy Open Mic
• Jim Bakker & Bishop Ron Webb and the Absalom Spirit in Leadership
• Kelly Dykstra Twirls the Story of the Fall
• Hillsong NYC’s Famous Gay Couple
• Interview with Tanya Levin

Source: Chris Rosebrough, The Absalom Spirit? **Link Fixed**, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2015/07/the-absalom-spirit.html, 29/07/2015. (Accessed 05/08/2015.)

You can read more on Tanya Levin’s ongoing stories here:

Denton Interviews Levins On Hillsong: “I was detoxed from toxic Christianity”
Is Hillsong A Cult?
The LiveLoveLead Society versus the bible-wielding Tanya Levin over the mole’s Hillsong
Brian Houston’s Inclusive Jesus rejects Tanya Levin
Hillsong’s “trespasser” releases information on charges
Which “tabloid trash” do you believe? (UPDATED)
The Issues With Hillsong
Rumblings and ramblings in the Royal Commission

Discussions with Carl Lentz

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Recently we posted an article explaining how we are concerned that Carl Lentz had made misleading statements to Dr. James White about Hillsong’s position on the acceptance of gay people within the Hillsong Community. Our unease stemmed from a recent episode of The Dividing Line in which Dr. White discusses some email interaction he had with Carl Lentz, and his concerns about a recent statement made by Brian Houston about the inclusion of unrepentant homosexuals as congregation members of Hillsong Church.

Source: James White, Seer Stones, Hillsong Church, and KJVOnly Deceitfulness, Alpha & Omega Ministries, http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/2015/08/05/seer-stones-hillsong-church-and-kjvonly-deceitfulness/, 26:17-27:50, Published 05/08/2015. (Accessed 10/08/2015.)

In this episode, Dr. White demonstrates that both Brian Houston and Carl Lentz have made contradictory statements about Hillsong’s position (e.g. that gay people are not allowed to be in positions of leadership, yet current news reports show that they are in fact in leadership positions). The transcript of Dr. White’s program is at the end of this piece.

Carl responded to our article with the following comment at ChurchWatch Central:

Hi! I actually don’t have a YouTube channel, so that’s unfortunate here in regards to your attempt to discredit me. Hard for me to upload videos on a site I don’t actually have. Make sure you do just a little bit of homework before you build your attack, might make it a little more believable. James white is a respectable man, who actually called to check facts. What’s funny is he actually talks about people like you the podcast you posted! Hilarious. In your eagneress to tear down, don’t rush the fact checking part. God bless you!

Carl Lentz: guy who has no YouTube channel.

Source: Carl Lentz (guy who says guy who has no YouTube channel), Church Watch Central, http://churchwatchcentral.com/2015/08/10/did-carl-lentz-mislead-james-white-of-alpha-omega-ministries/, Published 11/08/2015. (Accessed 11/08/2015.)

Carl Lentz also sent the following tweet to his followers on Twitter:

I don’t have a personal YouTube channel. If there is one, I have zero control of what’s on there and have never looked. God bless America!!

Source: Carl Lentz https://twitter.com/carllentzNYC/status/630950093252919297, Published 10/07/2015 (Accessed 11/08/2015.)

proof_TwitterLentzProtestsYoutubeAccount_11-08-2015While we make every attempt to be accurate in our articles, we are more than willing to take on board Dr. White’s exhortation to research carefully and check facts. Therefore we accept Carl Lentz’ assurance that he does not have a YouTube channel. [Doing further homework we found that Carl Lentz responded to another person back in June saying he doesn’t have a YouTube account.]

That’s Funny I don’t have a YouTube channel, a podcast or anything! But I’m glad you were encouraged by it, God bless!

Source: Carl Lentz, Twitter, https://twitter.com/carllentzNYC/status/614268539596189696, Published 25/06/2015 (Accessed 11/08/2015.)

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The YouTube channel in question does bear Carl Lentz’ name, and clearly has fooled a number of people who have left comments and even tweeted to Carl how much they appreciated his sermons. Due to this confusion we would like answers from Carl Lentz to the following questions:

1. Since you claim not to own a youtube channel, why are you discrediting Church Watch rather than going after the person (or persons) posting videos under your name?

2. On 25/06/2015 you posted on Twitter “That’s Funny I don’t have a YouTube channel, a podcast or anything! But I’m glad you were encouraged by it, God bless!” There is someone posting videos in your name and falsely representing you. It is currently the month of August. Why have you not fixed this problem yet?

3. It’s not uncommon for a pastor to give the job of creating a youtube channel and uploading the Pastor’s sermons to someone else. Our homework has always taught us to parse your words. Is it not reasonable to conclude that although you do not have a personal youtube account, someone else you know runs it?

4. Our most important question to you is this: When will you speak or write about your Biblical stance on homosexuality in a clear, unambiguous way that is backed up by Scripture thus proving you believe it by not having unrepentant homosexuals in positions of leadership or in any position within any and all Hillsong churches?

5. We would encourage you to start doing your own homework. Have you investigated what has emerged in the Royal Commission involving Brian Houston and his father’s crimes? Click here for homework.

We apologize for any error made in regards to this matter.

However, what is gravely concerning is that Carl Lentz chose to focus on this error rather than address his own grievous sin in allowing unrepentant homosexuals membership and leadership positions at Hillsong NYC. We are also amazed that he would raise such a minor error, rather than address what came to light in Dr White’s program. That is the blatantly contradictory and deceptive statements currently being made by both Carl and Brian Houston in relation to the context in which unrepentant homosexuals are allowed to participate in the Hillsong Church community, worship and leadership. Hillsong claims to be part of the body of Christ, and claims to hold to the biblical position on marriage and homosexuality. But their practices clearly show that this is not at all true.

This is the real issue: If Hillsong pastors such as Carl and Brian allow homosexual people to be church members, without calling them to repentance, then they are leading people to hell for eternity.

Josh Canfield Reed Kelly Hillsong United

It is grievous to us here at Church Watch Central, and to the body of Christ at large, that Carl and Brian would allow people to remain dead in their trespasses and sins, believing themselves to be reconciled to God when they are not. That is why we are raising these issues and exposing the deception that continues to abound in the Hillsong empire. We care deeply about the souls of these people who are being deceived by Hillsong and its “pastors”.

If at times we err in our zeal to warn others, then we are truly sorry and take to heart Dr. White’s rebuke. But sadly, Carl Lentz has chosen to ignore these issues and instead has just created a distraction from matters far more egregious and soul destroying than whether he does or doesn’t have a YouTube Channel.

Because we cite all of our sources we fail to fall into Dr. James White’s category. However, we would encourage you to start doing your own homework.

We look forward to Carl Lentz’ response.

God Bless.

James White

TRANSCRIPT – Dr James White: Alpha and Omega Ministries || 5 Aug 2015.

Dr James White: “Popped in the channel and there was a discussion about what was going on in Twitter. And what was going on in Twitter was a discussion of Carl Lentz and the Hillsong Church in New York. And of course there’s the stuff of Brian Houston, who is the big Hillsong leader out of Australia. And basically the two sides were talking past each other unfortunately.

Um, what I was concerned about the whole thing was the accuracy of the articles that have been distributed. I started seeing them a few days ago and they came up every once in a while but there was a new spate of them in regards to Carl Lentz and comments about homosexuality.

Now I’m a Reformed Baptist. My ecclesiology is significantly more developed shall we say, and traditional, and historical than Hillsong ecclesiologies, as we are going to see here in a moment.

I am obviously not a fan of ‘seeker sensitivity’ or anything like that at all. The church is the Body of Christ, it is where God is worshiped in Holiness. There is to be church discipline. There is to be a call for Holy living. The church is not to look like the world, act like the world. The world should be very uncomfortable as Paul said, an unbeliever comes in should be convicted by whats going on.

So what really bugged me about the Twitter debate that was going on, was one side was saying, ‘look you need to check the sources. You need to be accurate in the facts that your using. You may be right in your conclusions, you may say you know these folks, they’ve got some serious problems here and we need to be careful about what’s going on here and this seems to be symptomatic of that. That’s one thing, but you have to do so accurately, you’ve got to make sure of your facts, you can’t be making, ‘well it looks like I think they went to a Conference one, this person was there and therefore…’ And-‘ you’ve got all these connections being made.

No one should be surprised that I’ve got a problem with inaccuracy and use of information because, am I not the guy who sits here for half an hour talking about being careful in talking about Muhammad and Niesha, or the history of the Koran or etc, etc, etc?

Yeh. That’s- that’s me. The same guy.

So I would think you would need to be just as careful in talking about these issues – (And what had happened was, I almost talked about this on Monday but we did we did the Radio Fee Geneva, so I couldn’t fit it in) – but I had seen a quote attributed to Carl Lentz, in one of the articles going around saying, ‘ah see Hillsong’s collapsing on homosexuality and here’s how it’s happening’ and so on and so forth and when I read it, it was the standard ‘Jesus never said anything about homosexuality stuff.’ And I’m like, I have decimated that argument so many times on this program and I’ve told people, I’ve said to people that if you hear anybody saying, ‘Jesus never addressed homosexuality’, that person is either deceptive or ignorant or both, but it can’t be neither.

And. So. I don’t always do this, I don’t have a big black book of contacts and email. But some of you will remember that September of last year I think, almost a year ago, Carl Lentz contacted us. I made some comments about something I had seen, it was actually a video as I recall at that point. I played the video and I said, ‘I’ve got a problem with this and here’s why.’ Well somebody sent it to Carl Lentz and he wrote through the contact page.

And so I had an email. We had actually exchanged some emails back and forth. And so I, you know, did the standard search thing and pulled up an email and I said, ‘Yeah! I’m going to ask him,’ because there was no attribution in the article.

He didn’t say where it was from.

It had a ‘he said’ at the end.

Well okay, I don’t trust it. Especially the sources, you know if it’s like Huff Post, CNN and whatever else, ‘he said’ means nothing. They may have strung those words together from three hours worth of conversation, but anyway.

Other host: “That Contact by the way, came through on October 28 2014”.

Dr James White: “Okay. October, so last year.

And so I wrote. And I said- I gave the quote and said, ‘Is this accurate?’

And he wrote back fairly quickly and said, ‘Who is this?’

And I wrote back and said, ‘Well you contacted us last year. Alpha Omega Ministries. We saw this quotation. It’s unattributed. Before I comment on it, I would like to know if you actually said this’.

And he was very appreciative of that and said, ‘I’m taking my girls to their dance lessons [or whatever it was], I’ll get back to you,’ and said, ‘I’ll get back to you faster than that’. And so he did. And we’ve gone back and forth.

And in fact I have here- this is from yesterday- you know- I- we went back and forth and I said, ‘Can I quote you as saying- ‘quote’ (and this is a quote from him):

‘What Jesus often did explicitly outline as you well know, is marriage between a man and a woman. I made that point clearly in an interview and that was edited out. Our church has never wavered, ever on our clear stance on what is Biblical marriage or Biblical sexuality for that matter.’

Alright? Now we’ve continued [inaudible] going back and forth cause I found some more quotes.

And he said, ‘Look I would not say it the way that I said it. You know this was CNN.’ And I’m like, ‘Yeah! I know CNN now! Been there done that! Got the t-shirt. And man, you’ve got a- you’ve got to go straight for the heart, if your on CNN. You can not try to make yourself look nice to these folks, it’s not possible. You’ve got to go straight to it and press it.

And- so we’ve gone back and forth.

I basically said, ‘look Jesus did address this issue when He used the term porneia. There is no-one that I have ever found anywhere- I don’t care if it’s Boswell, [inaudible names], it doesn’t matter who it is, Vines, I’ve never found anyone who’s even started to make a meaningful argument- that in the context of second temple Judaism, in the context of the Gospel writers, that porneia would not have included homosexuality. I’ve never seen anyone even try to argue it because anybody who knows anything about that time period, knows that porneia when it was written by Paul, when it was written by Matthew, was written by Mark, included homosexuality. There’s no question about it! None!

So when someone says, ‘Jesus never addressed this issue’, they’re just ignorant, they just don’t know what they’re talking about.

And Carl says, ‘I know that. I agree. It was a combination of my not speaking clearly enough and them not following up with what I said afterwards where I said those things.’

So, you know. Okay I hear you. Got it. Alright.

I tried to be- if I’m going to criticise, I want to try to be fair, and I want to try to be accurate. And the fact is, there are sources amongst conservative Christians that are trusted that shouldn’t be. We re-post stuff that isn’t always overally accurate.

And my concern was exactly that. My concern was exactly that. Because, these are important issues. And when we are not- when we don’t do our homework and we just go with the twelve-gate shotgun blast from the start, we may think we are doing the Elijah thing. But in reality we are only hurting ourselves. Because then people can just focus on that and not focus upon what the real issue is.”

Now I’m not saying that even when you focus upon the real issue that people are necessary, sadly going to listen to what you have to say but it’s worth the shot.

But then in the middle of all of this, Brian Houston who speaks more for Hillsong than Carl Lentz does, puts out- I think yesterday- […] an article called ‘Do I love gay people?’.

[Quoting Brian Houston’s statement] ‘Because I also live by my own convictions, hold to traditional Christian thought on lifestyles and gay marriage…’. Now could I just say, if we, if we have a passionate love for God’s truth, if we really believe that it is divine truth, (that God has made us in a certain way, that we have the owner’s manual, that the Creator has specific purposes and therefore our lives would be experienced, there’s basics here, you know if you don’t get the basic’s right there’s not going to be anything up the road), if we really believe that, it’s going to influence how we speak.

And it seems to me, that we need to really be putting some thought into how we can speak with more clarity about these subjects. It sounds like, well yeh I’ve got my convictions, I do the traditional Christian you know. It’s like we’ve already been beaten into the ‘I’m sorry don’t through things at me’, rather than ‘I believe in actual marriage and I believe that this is divine truth and this is vitally important and this is exciting and it’s worth living for’. There’s a big difference between those two, big difference. But anyways.

‘…The writings of the apostle Paul in scripture on the subject of homosexuality are also clear…’ Good to hear! Lot’s of folks are telling us the opposite of that. Just the opposite of that.

‘…as I have mentioned in previous public statements. Hillsong Church welcomes ALL people but does not affirm all lifestyles. Put clearly, we do not affirm a gay lifestyle and because of this we do not knowingly have actively gay people-‘ (now here’s where I’m confused), ‘we do not knowingly have actively gay people in positions of leadership, either paid or unpaid.’

Foul, blow the whistle, what?!

See here’s where ecclesiology comes into view. Here’s where your doctrines of church comes into view.

Because later on, here’s what it says later on, ‘… so if your a gay are you welcome at Hillsong Church? Of course! You are welcome to attend, worship with us, and participate as a congregation member with the assurance that you are personally included and accepted within our community. But (this is where it gets vexing), can you take an active leadership role? No. This won’t make everyone happy and to some, this stance may even be seen as hypocritical. We are a gay welcoming church but we are not a church that affirms a gay lifestyle…’

Excuse me! Time out! The poor little Reformed Baptist is confused. [laughs]

Yeh, um, so do you have a church membership role? Do you have a Statement of faith? How can you be a member of the congregation, a part of the community, while living a lifestyle that the church says is sinful and just won’t allow into leadership, but will allow in the church? Is that what I’m reading?

If it is, here’s where ecclesiology comes into it, because you see, there are some people who view church incrementally. You bring people in. We’re inclusive. Open. We’re loving. You bring people in. And then over time you sort of hope that they are going to start seeing that selling those drugs is a bad thing, the gang-banging is a bad thing. You might loose a few members in the process. You know before they really get that idea, but hey you know. It’s this inclusive, incremental thing slowly get them, you know.

The church is called holy!

It’s made up of Saints!

I mean again, 1 Corinthians verse 5: “you have a man who’s had his own father’s wife.” It’s incest. You should have known better. It’s right there in Leviticus 18. CAST HIM OUT! Right?

So do you bring people into the congregation in incestuous relationships? Hey your part of the community, have some Lord’s supper, hey you know. But you can’t be in leadership until you stop that incestuous stuff. What??

Ok maybe this is just a really, really badly written thing and I’m completely missing. But it seems to me that um we have a really fundamental problem here in um- ‘worship with us.’

Well I thought we were to worship in holiness and that there was to be repentance. Doesn’t the church gather, repentance, proclamation of God’d truth, brings repentance and holiness so that we can worship in spirit and in truth? Do we want people who are unrepentant? Isn’t the constant prayer, ‘may your words shine into our hearts to show us what we need to repent of?’

So if you don’t tell people what you stand for then how can there be any meaningful unity in worship? I’m completely lost at this point. I really am. I don’t get it.

So, ‘worship with us and participate as a congregation member’, what does that mean? Sing? partake of the Lord’s supper? Are unrepentant, practicing homosexuals allowed to partake of the Lord’s supper in Hillsong Church? Baahhh but you can’t be a leader! So what? Who cares?

I think leadership is drawn out of the congregation anyways. I mean if you start making up rules like this to where- have we not seen this in so many of the mainline denominations?You know whats the big thing-? You know, all these half way measures where, ‘Well, you know as long as your a celibate homosexual, then you can be a Bishop.’ And how long did that last? You know before, ‘well we can’t do that, they have to be able to express their love and blah blah blah blah’.

You’re creating a Clergy Laity distinction that New Testament knows nothing about here in [glitch] moral standard here.

No, the standard for membership in the church is called regeneration, ah isn’t it? Repentance, baptism you know that stuff. So are these folks baptized? Will you baptize unrepentant practicing homosexuals? How else do you become a member of the church? Or is there no membership role at all? I mean that wouldn’t surprise me because that’s the Calvary Chapel model. The Calvary Chapel model’s no membership, that’s why you have no church discipline. I’m not sure how your suppose to shepherd the sheep that you don’t know who are in your flock, but there you go. Umm… wow.

This is what happens when you don’t have a Statement of faith, when you don’t have a sound ecclesiology. It’s um- it’s a mess.

So I don’t get it. I don’t get how you can say on the one side one thing and then on the other side you turn around and your saying, ‘Hey! You know, you’re welcome to come to Hillsong church, participate as a congregation member with the assurance that you are personally included and accepted within our community, only thing you can’t do is be a leader.’

Would that count for shacking up with your girlfriend or girlfriends, boyfriends, girlfriends whatever? So the only difference between the people of the church and leaders is that leaders actually have to be repentant, people of the church don’t? I don’t get it, I don’t get it, but there you go. There you go. Great confusion. […]

Host voice: ‘The next step in being a member as I understand it is, you have a say in calling of leadership’.

Dr James White: ‘Maybe’.

Other host: ‘Would they be allowed to vote for leadership and calling of a Pastor’?

Dr James White: ‘I don’t know. I do not know, I do not know. But there you go’.

So what I’m calling for. Katie Hall said to me, ‘I don’t understand why all these reformed people are defending Hillsong.’ Katie, it’s not a matter of defending Hillsong. It’s a matter of saying you need to be accurate in your criticisms for them to be lasting and meaningful criticism, that’s the point.

We can see the problem but isn’t it interesting that on both this and the prior situation, who got to actual heart of the matter by being careful about the criticism [raises hands]. That’s my point. That’s my point. Got to be careful. You’ve got to do your homework. That’s my point.’

Source: James White, Seer Stones, Hillsong Church, and KJVOnly Deceitfulness, Alpha & Omega Ministries, http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/2015/08/05/seer-stones-hillsong-church-and-kjvonly-deceitfulness/, 26:17-27:50, Published 05/08/2015. (Accessed 10/08/2015.)

Brian Houston exposes Brian Houston lying

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“For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” So let no one boast in men.” 1Corinthians 3:19-21a

Not only did we catch Brian Houston lying again in his media statement,

Brian Houston admits he can offer “no great answer” on gay stance (Part 1)

not only did gay couple Reed Kelly and Joshua Canfield expose Brian Houston lying in his media statement,

Ben Gresham exposes Houston lying in his media statement

not only did Ben Gresham catch Brian Houston lying in his recent blog article,

Josh Canfield & Reed Kelly expose Hillsong leadership lying about their stance on same sex issues

but Brian Houston has exposed himself lying back in in his media statement.

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Not Your Granddad’s Church: Hillsong Church Mixes Sermons With Rock Concerts

Every Sunday, thousands of people gather in New York City to get in line for a church service that is full of hand-raising, heart-thumping, hipster-style Christianity.

That is Hillsong Church. Their followers, which include celebrities like Justin Bieber and Kevin Durant, are mostly 20-somethings, many of whom grew up in church, but are drawn to Hillsong’s style and substance. In this “come as you are” congregation, tattoos and leather jackets are welcome for a 90-minute experience that’s part rock concert and part gospel.

The pastor leading Hillsong New York is 36-year-old Carl Lentz, who comes with Brad Pitt looks and Billy Graham theology, and has enough tattoos to make a rapper blush. He is even the New York Knicks’ official chaplain on the road.

“We aren’t trying to have this cool trendy packed church,” Lentz said. “The story is not the clothes people wear. It’s the lives they lead.”

In short, this is not your granddaddy’s church.

Hillsong New York was started four years ago and is now the church’s United States flagship. They host close to 8,000 people over six Sunday services in a rented New York City theater, but in years past, Hillsong has met in nightclubs.

With very few paid staff, the church relys on an army of 20-something-aged volunteers. Some members said Hillsong helped them overcome addiction or reconnect with their faith. Others said the weekday community service work and small group meetings provided both a connection and purpose.

“This generation has seen multiple wars, seen things no one expected,” Lentz said. “It seems like a pretty tumultuous time in culture, and I think the response to that has been the really shallow world of social media. A real smoke and mirrors way of living … so you come into church and there is a realness to it.”

Hillsong Church was started in Sydney, Australia, 30 years ago by Pastor Brian Houston, and has grown into a worldwide Christian phenomenon, with satellite outposts across the globe from London and Paris to Kiev and Cape Town.

“If you walked into all of them you would see a similar demographic of people,” Houston said. “You could close your eyes and think I am in any one of our Hillsong churches anywhere in the world.”

For many in their flock, the church’s Christian rock music group, Hillsong United, is a huge draw to come to services.

“Definitely the initial draw for many, many people,” Houston said. “We started singing and writing songs in our church and we were surprised when they started singing them in other churches in Australia and then suddenly for those songs to be sung all around the world like they are now… it’s something that God has given us as an arrow to a bigger message.”

Hillsong United is one of the hottest bands on Earth. With hits like “Oceans,” and “Break Free” Hillsong United has sold over 16 million albums worldwide, playing to packed venues across the globe and is now nominated for its first American Music Award this year.

Joel Houston, the son of Pastor Brian Houston, is co-lead pastor in New York but also guides Hillsong United.

“Music has the incredible ability to break down walls and to reach people’s hearts. It was given to us by God for the very purpose of worship,” he said.

But when asked how vital the money is that the music brings into the church, which is a non-profit, Brian Houston didn’t give a straight answer.

“To be honest I really genuinely can’t answer the exact amount [of annual revenue],” he said. “Of course we are a non-profit so all of the finances come into the non-profit and are used for the ministry.

Like many mega churches, Hillsong is shy about discussing their finances and how much money they bring in. At the service “Nightline” attended in New York, they asked us not to film the offertory.

“The fact that these lights are on, these chairs are here, it’s because single mom’s young couples, young people, single people, older couples, believe in the cause,” Lentz said. “So the collective sacrifice of many is what you see in our church.”

And also like many mega-churches, Hillsong has not escaped scandal. Fifteen years ago, Brian Houston discovered that his father, who was also a pastor, was being accused of sexually assaulting a child.

“We received a complaint that my father had abused children, males, and you can imagine that was the hardest day of my life to find out that my hero was a pedaphile,” Houston said.

As a leader for his denomination, Houston said he removed his father from the ministry immediately. He said he later came under attack for not alerting the police. Houston’s father died in 2004.

Brian Houston recently testified before an Australian commission investigating institutional sexual assault to try to prevent it from happening.

“It brings all of that rawness back to the surface pretty quick,” he said. “Just accepting that my father has devastated and destroyed the lives of children is just a really hard thing to accept.”

While Hillsong seems like a “hip and modern” church, some of its beliefs are quite Christian conservative. One area critics, both liberal and conservative, have seized upon is the church’s stance on social issues like homosexuality.

“We see it as a conversation,” Brian Houston said. “It’s quite clear in the New Testament the apostle Paul describes homosexuality as a sin and I can’t un-write the bible… but on the other hand we are not a church that can just make big blanket sweeping statements that dismiss people.”

When asked what the pastor would say if a gay couple walked into Hillsong, Houston said, “the short answer is I think all of us need to be changing. So that’s what serving Jesus does.”

“We would never be the kind of church who when people joined the choir asked them are you heterosexual? Are you homosexual? We will never be that kind of church,” he added. “I think it was Billy Graham who said it’s the Holy Spirit’s job to convict. It’s God’s job to judge and it’s our job to love.”

Another part of Hillsong’s job, as Pastor Brian sees it, is growth. His son Ben Houston just opened Hillsong Los Angeles, and already long lines are forming for Sunday services they hold in a rent theater on Sunday.

“You don’t have to sell a good party,” Lentz said.

Source: By Byron Pitts, Ely Brown, Laura Ramirez, and Lauren Effron, Not Your Granddad’s Church: Hillsong Church Mixes Sermons With Rock Concerts, abcNEWS, http://abcnews.go.com/US/granddads-church-hillsong-church-mixes-sermons-rock-concerts/story?id=26898474, 5:03, Published 13/11/2014. (Accessed 10/08/2015.)

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“Dr” Brown weighs in to Brian Houston & Carl Lentz controversy

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Dr Brown writes,

Does Dr. Brown really want to defend Hillsong cult leaders?

Hillsong, Homosexuality, Internet Rumors and Spiritual Clarity

Brian Houston’s answer about gay members at Hillsong was a little fuzzy. (BrianHouston.com)

There’s a lot we can learn from this week’s viral internet accusation that Carl Lentz, pastor of Hillsong NYC, allowed an openly homosexual couple to participate in and help lead a church choir.

The report was posted on Saturday, and by the next day, everywhere I turned, people were asking, “Is this true?” (My ministry team then reached out to Hillsong NYC for clarification.)

Others, not waiting for verification, believed the worst and went on the attack, not just blasting Hillsong in New York City but also across the globe.

On Wednesday, Brian Houston, leader of Hillsong and Carl Lentz’s pastor, issued two statements.

In the first statement, he affirmed that Hillsong held to the clear scriptural teaching on the subject of homosexuality and that marriage was the union of a man and woman, also stating that while gays were loved and welcomed in his church, practicing homosexuals could not participate in any leadership or ministry role.

In the second statement, he categorically denied the Internet rumors, saying that the church was completely surprised when they learned about this couple being in a homosexual relationship and that to his knowledge, they had not since been involved in any ministry or leadership role in the church. He then reaffirmed his love for them and stated that they, like the rest of us, were on a journey.

Pastor Lentz affirmed both of these statements on Twitter, and I immediately posted them as widely as I could, with appreciation to Pastor Houston for addressing these issues publicly.

But there are two obvious lessons from this week’s events.

First, as Christians, we are often all too quick to believe and then repeat a rumor rather than hoping for the best and waiting until the evidence is in. Why are we so quick to attack and accuse, especially when we don’t even know if the stories are true? Is this a demonstration of love?

How would we feel if the same was done to us—to our families, to our congregations, to our reputations—and people we didn’t even know helped spread lies about us, lies that can color people’s thinking for years to come?

With the speed with which things fly around the world today via the Internet, and with the difficulty of undoing something once it’s been done, we had better be sure that we have our facts in order and our attitudes right before making a public declaration or sharing our opinion (if there’s even a need for us to do either).

I have often been burdened to address issues in writing or on radio, and I always do my best to get all the facts in order, also trying to reach out privately whenever possible before addressing things publicly.

But earlier this year I had to apologize publicly to a national leader for relying on an article that grouped his quotes together as if they came from the same message, giving a misleading impression (even though the quotes were accurate and of real concern).

So what I write here, I write for myself as well as for others. Let’s be sure we have our facts in order before coming to any conclusions.

The second lesson is that it’s essential that Christian leaders speak clearly on the controversial doctrinal and moral issues of the day. It is possible (and essential) to have both compassion and clarity.

To use Paul’s words (from a very different context), “Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air” (1 Cor. 14:7-9).

I recently listened to a five-minute interview with one of America’s most famous pastors in which he was gently pressed for clarity on his views on homosexuality and the church, and his answers could hardly have been more fuzzy.

And that’s part of the problem with the accusation against Hillsong NYC: Pastor Lentz had failed to speak clearly to the issue at least twice last year, both on network TV and on the Huffington Post online.

In fact, as I watched the Huffington Post interview, trying to put the best construction on it and rooting for Pastor Lentz, I said to myself, “If I was this interviewer, I would absolutely believe that homosexual couples would be welcomed without restriction into the life and ministry of his church.”

That’s why I reached out to Pastor Lentz last year as well, offering help not condemnation, believing that God is using him to reach NYers with the Good News of the gospel.

The question is: Why can’t we be clear from the start? Why say things that avoid direct answers and instead lead to confusion?

I fully understand the need not to get trapped by the secular media—I’ve been in the hot seat enough times to know the drill—and I commend Christian leaders who will say what they feel is important rather than play along with the agenda of a hostile interviewer. (For Pastor Houston addressing this when it comes to “gay marriage,” go here.)

Yet there’s such a thing as speaking the truth with wisdom and in love, and throughout Scripture, honest, open rebuke is seen as a sign of love.

Unfortunately, fair questions are now being asked concerning Pastor Houston’s first statement issued on Wednesday, where he said, “So if you are gay, are you welcome at Hillsong Church? Of course! You are welcome to attend, worship with us, and participate as a congregation member with the assurance that you are personally included and accepted within our community. But (this is where it gets vexing), can you take an active leadership role? No.”

What exactly does this mean? Is he speaking about someone who is same-sex attracted but rejects those attractions and is living a holy life before the Lord? Or is he speaking about a practicing homosexual? If so, on what basis can he or she “participate as a congregation member with the assurance that you are personally included and accepted within our community”?

Would Pastor Houston say the same thing about a couple living together out of wedlock? Would he say the same thing about a non-repentant alcoholic? If so, what of Paul’s clear teaching in 1 Corinthians 5 about how to deal with professing Christians who will not repent?

I am cheering on Pastor Houston and Pastor Lentz, praying that they will make Jesus known even more in Australia and New York City and the nations, and like millions of others, I have been personally blessed by Hillsong’s many wonderful worship songs.

That’s why I urge my brothers and colleagues to speak with a clear, unambiguous and scripturally sound voice, not just in church settings but before the secular media as well.

If we are to be the salt of the earth and the light of the world—or, as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said, “the moral conscience” of the society—we cannot lose our saltiness and we must shine brightly and without shame, in deed and in word.

The same world that hates us is actually depending on us.

Michael Brown is the host of the nationally syndicated talk radio show “The Line of Fire” and is the president of FIRE School of Ministry. His newest book (September 2015) is Outlasting the Gay Revolution: Where Homosexual Activism Is Really Going and How to Turn the Tide. Connect with him on Facebook at AskDrBrown or on Twitter @drmichaellbrown

Source: Michael Brown, Hillsong, Homosexuality, Internet Rumors and Spiritual Clarity, http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/50900-hillsong-homosexuality-internet-rumors-and-spiritual-clarity, Published 08/06/2015. (Accessed 11/08/2015.)

Did Carl Lentz mislead James White of Alpha Omega Ministries?

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For decades we have watched Hillsong act underhanded to Christians who question their practices and towards media who do their best to accurately report on the Hillsong movement. We are very concerned seeing similar games played by Hillsong behind the scenes to respected ministers and leaders.

Dr. James White is a respected Christian man in the field of discernment and apologetics. He sometimes weighs in on important church issues and recently decided to tackle the controversy surrounding Hillsong’s vague stance on homosexuality.
James WhiteWe wish to highlight what James White recently said on his show titled ‘Seer Stones, Hillsong Church, and KJVOnly Deceitfulness’:

“So when someone says, “Jesus never addressed this issue,” they’re just ignorant. They just don’t know what they are talking about. And Carl says, “I know that. I agree. And it was a combination of my not speaking clearly enough and them not following up with what I said afterward where I said those things.”

So, you know. Okay I hear you. Got it. Alright.

I tried to be- if I’m going to criticise, I want to try to be fair, and I want to try to be accurate. And the fact is, there are sources amongst conservative Christians that are trusted that shouldn’t be. We re-post stuff that isn’t always overally accurate. And my concern was exactly that. My concern was exactly that. Because, these are important issues. And when we are not- when we don’t do our homework and we just go with the twelve-gate shotgun blast from the start, we may think we are doing the Elijah thing. But in reality we are only hurting ourselves. Because then people can just focus on that and not focus upon what the real issue is.”

Source: James White, Seer Stones, Hillsong Church, and KJVOnly Deceitfulness, Alpha & Omega Ministries, http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/2015/08/05/seer-stones-hillsong-church-and-kjvonly-deceitfulness/, 26:17-27:50, Published 05/08/2015. (Accessed 10/08/2015.)

One has to wonder what Carl Lentz disclosed in that conversation with James White.

This is because we have the impression that Dr. James White had trouble finding the source of this quote from Carl Lentz and we find it odd that Carl Lentz didn’t give him the audio/source or apologise for his sloppy witness on the CNN program.

You can find this uploaded media presentation with the relevant quote (9:18-10:08) in the Poppy Harlow interview, on the ‘Pastor Carl Lentz’ YouTube channel.

proof_YouTube-CarlLStupidStatement_08-08-2015Below the video, you can read:

Carl Lentz 2015 sermons | Carl Lentz sermons.
Directed by Carl Lentz
Be Blessed As You Grow In Grace And Knowledge and share the videos with your friends so that they maybe blessed too.

Source: Pastor Carl Lentz, Carl Lentz | Tattooed Megapastor Carl Lentz The Next Joel Osteen Mar 12,2015, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPOKqMonUc8, Uploaded 10/03/2015. (Accessed 10/08/2015.)

So why didn’t Carl Lentz “bless” James White?

Just in case it may be pulled by Hillsong, here is another screen grab of this video from the ‘Pastor Carl Lentz’ channel (titled ‘Carl Lentz | Tattooed Megapastor Carl Lentz The Next Joel Osteen Mar 12,2015‘):

proof_YouTube-CarlLStupidStatement3_10-08-2015If Carl is protesting to James White “that it was a combination of [him] not speaking clearly enough and them not following up with what [he] said afterward where [he] said those things,” then why has he supposedly uploaded this video on his own YouTube channel?

[09:18-09:20] Announcer: “Are gay men and women welcome in the church?”

[09:21-09:24] Carl Lentz: “Absolutely. We have a lot of gay men and women in the church and I pray we always do.”

[09:25-09:30] Laura Lentz: “It’s not our place to tell anyone how they should live. That’s there journey.”

[09:31-9:37] Announcer: “Every article I’ve read about you guys says, “he declined to discuss gay marriage.’”

[9:37-10:08] Carl Lentz: “Yeah, it’s a misquote because I do discuss it just not the way people want me to. When it comes to homosexuality, I refuse to let another human being or a media moment dictate how we approach it. Jesus was in the thick of an area where homosexuality, just like it is today, was wildly prevalent. And I’m still waiting for someone to show me the quote where Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people. You won’t find it because he never did.”

Source: Pastor Carl Lentz, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJZXVdwvO8, Uploaded 07/06/2/15. 09/08/2015. (Accessed 09/08/2015.)

In Australia, Hillsong has been saying for decades that the media are great (only when they look good). However, whenever the Australian media report Hillsong peddling Word of Faith or prosperity heresy; reported on scandals; report on leadership abusing or ripping off it’s members financially, etc, Hillsong are quick to demonise, distort, defame and damn the media organisation.

When you watch the CNN media report, it is not tearing into Hillsong. This would make sense as to why Carl Lentz would record this and upload it.

proof_YouTube-CarlLStupidStatement2_08-08-2015Now that he is being rightly condemned as being “ignorant” or “deceitful” by using that argument in the report, both Lentz and Houston are now defaulting to their typical defamation statements against the media, that being that they were taken out of context or misrepresented.

Thus Carl Lentz’ dialogue with White appears to be disingenuous in regards to the media misrepresenting him. [edit 11/08/2015] If he thought they misrepresented him to begin with, why did he [supposedly] upload that video to his YouTube account? [/edit]

Dr. James White, if you are reading our site, please understand that we respect your work and are perturbed that Carl Lentz was not upfront and honest with you about his views regarding homosexuality. We believe that if you are given well documented evidence against Carl Lentz, you will confront him for his rejection of God’s Word.


[Edit: Carl Lentz has responded to this which we will be addressing:

Carl Lentz  August 11, 2015 at 3:49 am
Hi! I actually don’t have a YouTube channel, so that’s unfortunate here in regards to your attempt to discredit me. Hard for me to upload videos on a site I don’t actually have. Make sure you do just a little bit of homework before you build your attack, might make it a little more believable. James white is a respectable man, who actually called to check facts. What’s funny is he actually talks about people like you the podcast you posted! Hilarious. In your eagneress to tear down, don’t rush the fact checking part. God bless you!

Carl Lentz: guy who has no YouTube channel.

Source: Carl Lentz, Did Carl Lentz mislead James White of Alpha Omega Ministries?, ChurchWatch Central, http://churchwatchcentral.com/2015/08/10/did-carl-lentz-mislead-james-white-of-alpha-omega-ministries/comment-page-1/#comment-1871, Published 11/08/2015. (Accessed 11/08/2015.)

Josh Canfield & Reed Kelly expose Hillsong leadership lying about their stance on same sex issues

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We can see why Carl Lentz said nothing about this growing controversial in his own church but why Brian Houston on the other side of the planet did.

Because Hillsong have deliberately mislead Christians on their position on homosexuality in their media statements, many people have suffered. And sadly, both Christians and closeted homosexuals within Hillsong will suffer.

Christ’s name has been bought in to disrepute, Christians will feel betrayed with Hillsong’s lies and cover-ups. And people like Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly will suffer backlash because of Hillsong’s forever-changing social popularity contests because members will see their latest publication as an attack against Brian Houston and Carl Lentz’s spiritual authority.

Brian Houston and Carl Lentz: don’t you DARE condemn Christian’s for your spinelessness. You are the spineless cowards who have rejected the bible, hidden behind word games and created this apostate mess. And don’t you dare insight your Hillsong members to demonise, sledge and bully this poor gay couple for sharing their experiences publicly.

What is disclosed in these below insights has only confirmed that Brian Houston over the decade has been duplicitous behind the scenes to groom Hillsong church to be a gay-affirming church (See links at end of article). We will be reviewing the serious implications of what was said in another article in light of what we know of Hillsong.) For now, in light of the statement,

“This only confirms to us that personal relationships are transformative. This isn’t difficult to accept after one looks at this through the lens of personal relationship being a foundational tenet of the Christian faith,”

please understand that we created the below graphic for a soon to-be-released article. We think it is an appropriate graphic to release so you can see the dynamics at work in Canfield’s below response:

Kingdom Love Hillsong LGBTIJosh Canfield writes,

To our friends…

We’re writing this post in response to so many of you who have kindly reached out. You’ve been wondering why we have been getting so many hateful comments on all of our social media in the past week, in which some of you have been tagged or engaged.

The drama that is unfolding at the moment all revolves around the fact that we have been heavily involved in our church, Hillsong NYC. Josh has been with Hillsong for eight years in a variety of ways: choir director, vocal director, and worship team. I’ve been there since the beginning of our relationship, over three years ago, and eventually began singing in the choir and opening my apartment as the gathering place for a connect group for Hillsong members in the Broadway and theatrical communities.

We have been open and forthright about our relationship from the get-go.

Due to our openness and very public appearance together on CBC’s “Survivor”, we have been in conversation with Hillsong NYC’s lead pastors regarding the church’s non-LGBT affirming stance. Hillsong has many campuses around the world, many in places where gay marriage is now legal, so this has been an ongoing dialogue trying to figure out how and where we, as part of the LGBT community, fit in. As a church family, we have been wading through these uncharted waters of shifting culture and social change.

Several days ago some faceless, end-of-days blogger decided to attack us and our church for allowing us to serve when we are “unrepentantly embracing [our] sin” as homosexuals. Sadly, yet unsurprisingly, most super-conservative news sources picked it up and ran with it — giving this man’s voice worldwide amplification it never should have had. Not to mention it worked up Christian communities around the world, as many look to our church as a model of modern Christianity to be emulated. (We’ve never been harassed in so many foreign languages before … and we live in NYC!)

This has now forced our church to globally reaffirm their hard stance as a non-LGBT-affirming institution and disallow any gays from being in a position of leadership within the church. It’s been frustrating and a bit crushing that one crazy person could interfere so easily with the healthy and steady dialogue we’ve been having, but in a new world of social media and instant exposure, we are left unsurprised. Thankfully we are led by pastors who are grace-filled and committed to continuing to try to discern God’s will on this matter.

All this being said, many of you ask: “why are you staying somewhere that doesn’t fully accept you?” This leaves us with a tough decision. If we, as gays, pack up and leave every church we feel less than welcomed in or where we feel spiritual resistance, how will there ever be growth? The flip side of this is: why would we, as part of the gay community who have been primarily outcast for all our lives, willingly subject ourselves to more marginalization? It’s been a lot to personally work though.

Many try to discredit biblical scholars and laymen alike who have shifted their stance from non-affirming to LGBT-affirming by saying “the only reason they have changed their mind is because they know a gay person”. This only confirms to us that personal relationships are transformative. This isn’t difficult to accept after one looks at this through the lens of personal relationship being a foundational tenet of the Christian faith.

After we inadvertently and unintentionally became public representatives for gay Christianity, we feel like we have been called and have a responsibility to continue to stand authentically in our truth — especially within the church family that we call home, Hillsong NYC — we are seeking the Lord, we are Christian, we are gay, and this is our journey.

We thank you for your concern, your prayers, and your support.

Big Smiles and 110% …
Reed and Josh

Source: Josh Canfield, To our friends…, TwitLonger, http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sn7km8, Published 07/08/2015. (Accessed 09/08/2015.)

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Source: 09/08/2015

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Ben Gresham exposes Houston lying in his media statement

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BRIAN HOUSTON PROTESTING TOO MUCH

Althought we have exposed him on this issue, Brian Houston has been emphatically trying to convince people that Hillsong Church has not changed its position on same sex issues. He tweeted,

There has been absolutely no change to Hillsong Church’s stance on homosexuality and gay marriage. Statement pending.

Source: Brian Houston, Twitter, https://twitter.com/BrianCHouston/status/628482424591118336, Published . (Accessed 06/08/2015.) (Archived.)

In that statement he said,

“Hillsong’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture.”

This article will prove through the writing of Ben Gresham (a close gay friend of Brian Houston) that Houston is still following through with his promises to Ben Gresham after his meeting with him back in 2010 to bring changes to Hillsong.

In other words, Brian Houston has been caught lying… again.

hillsong lgbtqi gay homosexualALONG CAME A GRESHAM

Later, Brian Houston tweeted his blog article on Hillsong’s stance towards homosexuality (an article we will review). Ben Gresham and Houston exchanged the following:

Do I love gay people? My thoughts and my heart toward gay people and Hillsong Church. LTL blog:

Source: Brian Houston, Twitter, https://twitter.com/BrianCHouston/status/628576173493108736, Published . (Accessed 06/08/2015.)

not an easy subject to write about. Thanks for being clear and upfront so gay ppl know where you stand. So important.

Source: Ben Gresham, Twitter, https://twitter.com/bengresham/status/628659863413919744, Published . (Accessed 06/08/2015.)

Thanks Ben. This means so much to me. B.

Source: Brian Houston, Twitter, https://twitter.com/BrianCHouston/status/628661707343171584, Published . (Accessed 06/08/2015.)

proof_Twitter-GreshamAndHoustonOverStatement_06-08-2015Ben Gresham decided to write an article about Brian Houston and Hillsong’s latest stance on same sex issues:

Check out my latest blog about recent Hillsong statement on gay people –

Source: Ben Gresham, Twitter, https://twitter.com/bengresham/status/628765865148747776, Published . (Accessed 06/08/2015.)

Although Houston protested that “There has been absolutely no change to Hillsong Church’s stance on homosexuality,” Ben Gresham praised Brian Houston and Hillsong for bringing change towards embracing same sex people and same sex issues. In other words, Ben Gresham accidentally exposed Brian Houston of lying once again to the general public in his media statement.

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Ben Gresham – Met with Brian Houston in 2010 to discuss what changes Hillsong can make over same sex issues.

Remember that Ben thanked Houston for “being clear and upfront” and how Houston thanked him for it, saying, “This means so much to me?” Ben decided to point out the positive changes and developments he saw in his journey and discussion with Hillsong’s Brian Houston in this below article.

Although we have pointed to these changes ourselves, it is good to have Gresham reveal the changes he has seen behind the Hillsong machine in regards to how it has slowly changed it’s stance on same sex issues.

We willhighlight the lines where Gresham exposes how Hillsong CHANGED their stance on same sex issues.

Gresham notes that Hillsong has changed, saying:

  • Hillsong has taken some steps forward in the past few years.
  • The church is now talking about the issue more
  • they no longer support or refer gay people to harmful ‘ex-gay’ or reparative/conversion programs and therapies.
  • the church will allow gay and lesbian people to attend and you won’t be kicked out for having a partner […]

He concludes,

“This is a step forward, no matter how you look at it!”

And he is right. No matter how you look at it, Brian Houston is STILL not calling homosexuality a sin and he is still not using the bible as the ultimate authority.

Gresham writes,

Gay people and Hillsong Church? At last… some clarity

Early this morning, Brian Houston, the Senior Pastor of Hillsong Church, issued a statement in response to the controversy surrounding reports that Hillsong NYC had an engaged gay couple leading the church choir. Many people on both sides of the fence (right-wing Christians and left-leaning LGBTs) quickly spread the word that “Hillsong was now gay-affirming” without really checking the facts or asking anybody in senior leadership at Hillsong church what their position really was.

Hillsong’s position on homosexuality has been rather murky and misunderstood by many. Pastor Brian Houston and the church have done a better job in recent years communicating with the public, however, they have often been wary of discussing their stance on homosexuality, marriage equality and gay people in leadership.

In an effort to clear up the matter once and for all, Pastor Brian Houston issued this statement today – “Do I Love Gay People”. This statement answers the questions that many of us have been asking for some time. I have quoted parts of the statement from Pastor Brian Houston below some key observations.

Hillsong still views homosexuality as a lifestyle choice:

“Hillsong Church welcomes ALL people but does not affirm all lifestyles. Put clearly, we do not affirm a gay lifestyle and because of this we do not knowingly have actively gay people in positions of leadership, either paid or unpaid. I recognise this one statement alone is upsetting to people on both sides of this discussion, which points to the complexity of the issue for churches all over the world”.

Hillsong reaffirms its position against same-sex marriage:

“I also live by my own convictions, and hold to traditional Christian thought on gay lifestyles and gay marriage. I do believe God’s word is clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. The writings of the apostle Paul in scripture on the subject of homosexuality are also clear, as I have mentioned in previous public statements”.

Gay people can attend Hillsong but not be part of leadership roles:

“So if you are gay, are you welcome at Hillsong Church? Of course! You are welcome to attend, worship with us, and participate as a congregation member with the assurance that you are personally included and accepted within our community. But (this is where it gets vexing), can you take an active leadership role? No”.

My thoughts:

I understand that this statement can be upsetting for many people, particularly if you are gay or lesbian and part of Hillsong Church. I know that there are many of you hoping that the church will move forward on this issue and one day welcome you to participate fully in the life of the church. Although I am upset too, it’s important to remember that Hillsong has taken some steps forward in the past few years. The church is now talking about the issue more and they no longer support or refer gay people to harmful ‘ex-gay’ or reparative/conversion programs and therapies.

This statement includes a really important note from Pastor Brian confirming that the church will allow gay and lesbian people to attend and you won’t be kicked out for having a partner – “So if you are gay, are you welcome at Hillsong Church? Of course!”. This is a step forward, no matter how you look at it!

If you are looking for an affirming church, then sadly Hillsong isn’t the place for you but thankfully there are a growing number of welcoming churches who fully support and include LGBTI people and recognise that being gay is not a choice, nor is it a sin. There are also a growing number of support and social groups like freedom2b in Australia and the Gay Christian Network in the United States that can connect you with other people like you and support you on your journey.

Keeping the conversation going:

It can be easy to dismiss this recent statement from Pastor Brian and Hillsong and label the church as homophobic, but I think that does a disservice to other LGBT people in the church and to those in leadership who are trying to handle this the best way that they know how to. It’s important to acknowledge small steps and to encourage leadership to keep moving forward. We owe it to the many gay and lesbian people who call Hillsong church home and to the many church members who have a gay son, lesbian sister, transgender daughter, etc. The conversation must continue and it must always be full of grace, on both sides.

After reading the statement this morning, I took the time to send a quick tweet to Pastor Brian just to thank him for his clarity and to keep the conversation going. We may not agree 100% but I won’t let our disagreements get in the way of a friendship or an important conversation.

Have a great week. Lots of love!
Ben

Source: Ben Gresham, Gay people and Hillsong Church? At last… some clarity, BennyGresham, http://bennygresham.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/gay-people-and-hillsong-church-at.html, Published 05/08/2015. (Accessed 06/08/2015.

Why is Brian Houston SO hellbent to reject the “writings of Paul [which] are clear on this subject” on homosexuality and instead follow the journey and discussion with a young man that cares only about his hormones? (Hormones can’t save you.)

You have to wonder what Brian Houston will be teaching people at Bill Hybel’s Leadership Summit.

How to leave your bible in a coffee shop? How to exchange the bible for an opinion?

The bible that Houston left behind with Ben Gresham back in 2010…

Brian Houston admits he can offer “no great answer” on gay stance (Part 1)

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“Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.” – Jesus, Matt 5:37

This is a two part series exposing Brian Houston’s stance on same sex issues. Read part two here:

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BACKGROUND

Thanks to our online ChurchWatch FaceBook community, we were alerted to an article which we published on Church Watch Central.

Now THIS is sexy entertainment!

It was the last paragraph that caused the major controversy:

“In their own lives, both Canfield and Kelly are devoted Christians. They attend Hillsong Church in New York City, where Canfield is a volunteer choir director, and despite the two being demonstrative on camera while filming “Survivor,” Canfield said in a diary interview that the two are remaining abstinent until marriage.”

A flurry of tweets, articles and headlines emerged around the article that was published by Broadway Tour. Of course, Chris Rosebrough was on it (as was Stand Up for the Truth):

Famous Gay Couple, who attend Hillsong NYC volunteer with the choir AND say they’ll remain abstinent until marriage.

Source: Chris Rosebrough, Twitter, https://twitter.com/piratechristian/status/626378046124093444, Published 29/07/2015. (Accessed 05/08/2015.)

In this article, we will publish:

– Brian Houston’s media statement that supposedly addresses this controversy (which we will critique in this article). – Brian Houston’s blog article that addresses his relations to homosexual people (which we will also address in this article).

In spite of his double-speak, Brian Houston has historically and more recently shown where he stands on same sex issues.

MEDIA STATEMENT: HOUSTON’S LIE # 1:

Because Brian Houston is vague on these issues, this shows where he does stand, although he comes across as a “double-minded man, unstable in all his way” (James 1:8). However, we are openly calling out Brian Houston. He said in this media statement:

Hillsong’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture.

If this is true, then Brian Houston needs to be upfront with the meeting he had with gay activist Ben Gresham in 2010. We covered Ben Gresham reporting what Brian Houston and himself discussed in that 2010 meeting and the changes that were going to be taking place at Hillsong regarding same sex issues:

“A discussion then progressed that went for over an hour and Brian was more than happy to answer most of my questions and concerns and possibly even learned something himself. Here’s a bit of a breakdown of what happened in three categories:

Ex-Gay? • Brian stated clearly that Hillsong church (and himself) no longer support ex-gay ministries • Brian acknowledged the involvement of Hillsong church in ex-gay ministries in the past such as Exit Ministries, Living Waters and Exodus. Brian mentioned that he was never truly convinced of the idea of ex-gay ministries, although his father Frank Houston supported them. • Brian does not want an ex-gay message preached from the pulpit of Hillsong. • When questioned about Sy Rogers, Brian responded by saying “I think Sy regrets his previous involvement in Exodus”.

Brian’s Commitments • More training and education on sexual orientation and sexuality (particularly amongst youth leaders) • Commitment to read and explore theology and resources on homosexuality. • Discussions with other pastors (such as Rob Buckingham of Bayside Church, Melbourne) • Position statement on homosexuality which can be easily accessed on the Hillsong website”

Source: Ben Grasham, Breakfast with Brian: Hillsong, Homosexuality and the Future, BennyGresham.com, http://bennygresham.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/breakfast-with-brian-hillsong.html, Published 24/05/2012. (Accessed 05/08/2015.)

While Houston is trying to give the impression he is tight-rope walking the issue, he has in fact made up his mind where he stands and simply lied about Hillsong’s position. The fact is this: Hillsong has been slowly grooming it’s members to change it’s stance on same sex issues slowly but surely. Houston blatantly lied in this media statement. brian houston and hillsong MEDIA STATEMENT: HOUSTON’S LIE # 2:

He writes,

As I have stated previously, I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject.

While Paul the Apostle instructs that we must preach the full counsel of God’s Word, Brian Houston has committed himself to do the opposite. As Ben Gresham wrote:

Brian does not want an ex-gay message preached from the pulpit of Hillsong.”

Brian Houston has confirmed this in an interview with Hope 103.2 Radio. He even stated that if he gave a pro-gay/non-biblical or anti-gaybiblical answer, “there’s no great answer.” Why? Because truth appears to be nothing more than a popularity contest to Brian Houston. By his own admission, the bible is not his authority, nor is not important, which sadly reflects his standing with Christ, when Christ Himself said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15).

Clare Chate: I want to ask a couple of questions about the church and it’s position in society. You’re aiming to lead a church that influences the culture but also’s culturally relevant and sensitive. [Brian: Yes.] So. And in Australia we are now dealing with the issue of same sex marriage, which is looking like it might be inevitable. How do you address issues like that as a leader in a church? And how should Christians deal with that?

Brian Houston: Well I think it’s very vexing and very challenging. The moment you get asked the question on ah- secular media in particular- ah- “What do you think about homosexuality?” or “What do you think about gay marriage?,” you’re going to lose people.

You’re either going to lose people on the one side or you are going to lose your constituency on the other side. And if you say nothing, you lose everybody. And so it’s one of those questions where there’s no great answer…”

Source: Hope 103.2, Hillsong Pastor Brian Houston on the issue of same-sex marriage, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_kBhrjlGfY, Published 26/06/2015. (Accessed 05/08/2015.)

Brian Houston has openly shamed his movement by his response in light of what Apostle Paul says:

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,e as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.” Romans 1:16-19

“For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.” Galatians 1:10

Do you think the Apostle Paul would consider Brian Houston a “servant of Christ” in light of Houston’s behaviour towards the truth of the gospel and the full counsel of God’s Word?

MEDIA STATEMENT: HOUSTON’S LIE # 3:

Houston seems to be unaware of who is in his churches these days, especially in leadership. It appears Brian Houston does not want homosexuals in the positions of Hillsong staff:

Several months ago when one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir, it was a complete surprise to us as well.

This is ANOTHER lie since in the 2014 Vision Sunday service (a special service where God gives Brian Houston an annual vision for the direction of Hillsong), he implied that the Ethiopian eunuch was part of a sexual “minority group,” linking it to someone with “real sexual identity problems.” The above quote sounds meaningless until you watch Brian Houston preach on this. He WANTS people in his church to understand what he is pushing. He knows he cannot say what he wants to say. Therefore, we urge people to watch the below video to see Brian Houston push this God-given vision on this “New Grace” teaching. (Before watching, it is important to that in Hillsong, LEADERS sit in the front row of his church. Not plebs. Leaders. Watch Houston speak about those on the front row. Where is repentance? Where is proof that the person with “real sexual identity problems” bears fruit in keeping with repentance along with the other ‘converts’?)

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Read the transcript and part of the review here:

Houston’s 2014 God-given “Vision” (Part 1): “New grace” scrutinised

So the issue is this:

When Brian Houston has been openly challenging his church to embrace unrepentant people who have “real sexual identity problems” who are part of a “minority group” sitting on the “front row in church,” how can Brian Houston CLAIM to be ‘surprised‘ to find an UNREPENTANT HOMOSEXUAL man in a position of Hillsong leadership?

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MEDIA STATEMENT: HOUSTON’S LIE # 4:

Going by the date that the image was uploaded to the article, the controversial Broadway Tour article appeared to be published in November 2014. PlayBill.Com published an article on the 29th of January, 2015, reporting Josh Canfield proposing to Reed Kelly. PlayBill.Com reports:

On his relationship with Kelly, he said, “I did my best before I went on the show to just kind of come to grips with myself and be like, ‘I want to be an honest individual,’ and that’s how I’m trying to live my life. I had only recently told my family about [my relationship with] Reed, so that was still really fresh, but it was a time where I was just letting everything down — letting all my walls down. [I thought], ‘I need to be truthful with everyone.’ I became truthful with my church. I’m a part of Hillsong NYC. I’m one of their choir directors. I also sing on their Worship team. They’ve been amazing as well. Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed. He sings in the choir as well. I found that being an honest person has actually come with a lot of benefits. People are more sincere with you, and you find out a lot more about other people when you become honest.”

Source: By Michael Gioia, Broadway Boyfriends of “Survivor” Get Engaged on Stage (Plus Video), PlayBill.com, http://m.playbill.com/news/article/broadway-boyfriends-of-survivor-get-engaged-on-stage-plus-video-340487/print, Published 29/01/2015. (Accessed 06/08/2015.) (Emphasis ours.)

Going by the time frame, it appears that Hillsong knew of this controversial relationship as early as November 2014. It appears that Hillsong leadership did not react over a period of 2-3 months when Josh Canfield came out with his partner. And this would make sense in light of Houston’s “New Grace” vision. This explains why Canfield stated “Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed”. Things may have changed when Hillsong leadership found out about the proposal. However, things still do not really line up. Brian Houston said that Hillsong reacted when,

“[…] one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir”

Why is Brian Houston surprised when Hillsong KNEW that these men were in a relationship? Now comes the tricky language. It appears Brian Houston is playing word games to present a selective truthful presentation of events. Specifically with the words “understanding” and “active”. WORD GAMES Understanding Houston states,

It is my understanding that they have not been involved in an active leadership or ministry role since.

People don’t want Mr Houston’s understanding. People want CLARITY. They want FACTS. Brian Houston’s understanding can be wrong or unreliable in this instance and that’s what people do not want. In fact, because he is offering his understanding, this gives him license to manipulate and mislead people with further word games. And this is EXACTLY what he is doing… again. (We saw him do this with Driscoll’s statement and we called him out on it… and we were right.) It’s convenient that Houston is making this statement and not Carl Lentz. Why? Well Lentz would be more familiar with the case (and less surprised). Brian Houston can be surprised and can be further surprised if his understanding of events is wrong. Active Chris Rosebrough from Fighting for the Faith said,

“When I covered the story last week, I made it clear that I had heard through channels that Carl Lentz had said they had addressed this and that the pastors at Hillsong were privately counselling the couple. And so when we covered the story, I made it clear this was a while ago, this wasn’t an ongoing thing.”

Source: Chris Rosebrough, Mike Murdock Likes Onions On His Tacos, Fighting for the Faith, http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2015/08/mike-murdock-likes-onions-on-his-tacos.html, 50:35, Published 04/08/2015. (Accessed 06/08/2015.)

If this is true, then this going against their vision from God. So what’s going on? The public news that they were a couple did not cause Hillsong to remove them from their “leadership” and “ministry role”. This means Hillsong has no problem with these men sitting in the front row. But didn’t Brian Houston say that because of these revelations that these men were no longer involved in leadership or ministry roles? The answer is no. Brian Houston said that they were no longer involved “in an active leadership or ministry role.” Big difference. At the moment, they are in “counselling”. Counselling for what? Counselling to be quiet about their lifestyle? After all, Houston has made it clear that he no longer supports ex-gay ministries. And what can Hillsong say to the couple if they have “no great answer”? Nothing suggest that Houston is being upfront with Hillsong’s dealing with this celebrity gay couple.

CONCLUSION

We can say for a FACT that Brian Houston and his movement do not show Christian love to these men. This is because they deny them the truth and the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, which calls all people to repent of their sins, homosexuality included, and be forgiven by trusting that Christ died for their sins. Brian Houston has had plenty of opportunities to explain and demonstrate how he loves someone of a different sexual orientation by preaching the truth to them, but he doesn’t. This response shows once again the absence of Brian Houston’s Christian love towards the gay community. If he and Hillsong did love them, how did one get so far into gaining a leadership position? Where is the bible in all this? We think that Brian Houston purposely left the bible back on the coffee shop table with Ben Gresham.

The bible that Houston left behind with Ben Gresham…

BRIAN HOUSTON’S MEDIA STATEMENT

Brian Houston released this media statement for damage control,

Hillsong Church Statement by Senior Pastor Brian Houston

“I wish to correct reports that Hillsong church has “an openly gay couple directing a choir” at our New York City campus.

Hillsong’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture.

As I have stated previously, I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject.

Several months ago when one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir, it was a complete surprise to us as well.

It is my understanding that they have not been involved in an active leadership or ministry role since. That said, we still love them and acknowledge that they – like all of us – are on a journey, and our role as a church is to assist them on this journey with grace and compassion.”

Source: Brian Houston, Hillsong.Com, Hillsong Church Statement by Senior Pastor Brian Houston, http://hillsong.com/media-releases/hillsong-church-statement-by-senior-pastor-brian-houston/, Published 04/08/2015. (Accessed 05/08/2015.)

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