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Hillsong is famous all around the Christian world for their worship music. But what god does Hillsong worship? What god do they serve? Does your church sing Hillsong music? Do you find the songs generally vague and lacking scriptural substance in contrast to hymns?
Recently, Brian Houston stated that Christians and Muslims serve the same God. Watch him say it:
Brian Houston says,
“How do you view God? In a desert there’s two types of birds: there’s vultures and there’s hummingbirds. One lives off dead carcasses, rotting meat. The other lives off the beautiful, sweet nectar in a particular flower on a particular desert plant. In the same desert, they both find what they’re looking for.
Do you know – take it all the way back into the Old Testament and the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God. Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God. And of course through history, those views have changed greatly. But lets make sure that we view God through the eyes of Jesus, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the beauty of a Saviour, the loving open inclusive arms of a loving God. And that way we’ll lead out of that and you’ll be purposeful about your leadership and you’ll draw people just like the Lord Jesus always does through the power of the Holy Spirit.”
Source: Brian Houston, Hillsong TV // Living For The Master’s Well Done, Pt1 with Brian Houston: 11:52, Sermon: Living For The Master’s Well Done, YouTube, Pt1, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVE2j_aeZ8M, Published on Jan 5, 2014. (Accessed 17/03/2014.)
If Brian Houston does indeed preach the Christian gospel as he claims, then he would know that the Muslim and Christian faiths are incompatible. But we know that he can’t preach the Christian gospel because he doesn’t know it. Brian Houston’s comment is just as offensive to Muslims as it is to Christians and is essentially doing more unjust damage to both faiths.
We think it is important to contrast Brian Houston’s inclusive god to Christianity’s exclusive God. Unlike the Hillsong god, this is our God:
We plead with Christian leaders and Christ’s church to wake up and start speaking out against this dangerous movement.
We hope to examine this issue further in later articles. However, if you would like to understand the differences between the Christian and Muslim faith, please visit James White’s ‘Alpha & Omega Ministries‘.
NOTE: If you want to see what Brian Houston says in the broader context, watch the full sermon below:
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Did you know that Muslims originate from the bloodline of Ishmael – the half brother of Isaac? Genesis 16 v 1 to 12 and 21 v 8 to 13. Listen to his words of the video. He is not saying modern day Muslims and Christians serve the same God. He’s going back to the roots of their faith…..the rejected son Ishmael and the promised son Isaac. I did not hear him say they worship the same God TODAY.
Didn’t say Muslims and Christians today serve the same God?
Houston’s own words: ” we actually serve the same God. Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God.”
He said it and he believes it!
HE THEN SAYS “then through history those views have changed greatly.” It is a fact that Islam uses the old testament. The whole beef that muslims have with christians is that they think we went to far. The new testament is a sham and Jesus was nothing more than a prophet. They think we wrongly deify Jesus. So, to speak in very human and not spiritual terms, (at least in the muslim’s view) we serve the same God (The Father in Christianity) and we mess up by throwing in the whole new testament Trinity thing. He might have worded it a little awkwardly, but I think his actual point is not heretical or damaging, he’s just been misunderstood here. He’s human, he made a mistake. He could have worded it better, but that’s no reason to crucify him. The pharisees had the same idea that many here have when Jesus healed on the sabbath, they looked at his actions but He is altogether concerned with the heart. Because that’s what matters anyway. 2 cents.
How on earth does a statement like “the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God” pop out of Brian Houston’s mouth? I couldn’t imagine ever saying it. Could you? So maybe Brian had a senior’s moment.
Then, in case you didn’t get it the first time, Brian makes it clearer: “Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God”. So, it’s not a senior’s moment.
Then you add grace and a loving and “inclusive” Jesus …. Inclusive of what?
The seed has been planted.
Kyle, Brian is talking to Christians. How do you think Brian should have worded it?
How’s he been misunderstood? I think what he said was plain. It is also plain he showed a lack of historical and biblical knowledge as well as little understanding of the differences between Islam and Christianity.
Brian Houston is speaking to many thousands. He needs to do his homework and be more responsible as a teacher. If he made a mistake, then why was this video uploaded and kept there since Jan?
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you have a very good analysis of his message. Once is an event and twice is a trend, but 3 times he has reinforced his message. Not one of evangelizing to the muslim world, but preaching chrislam mixing darkness and light…Jesus Christ the son of the living God is the only true God.
Pastor Houston said according to the history of the Old Testament. Muslims history started with Abraham and his son Ismael and Christianity started with Isaac. Abraham worshipped God. Pastor Brian has also said that Jesus Christ is Lord and God. Muslims do not believe that is Jesus is God. So the Muslims need to believe that Jesus is God
On the service pastor(?) Hudson is extolling the good attributes of Christ: tender, loving, forgiving, all inclusive. This is all true but in the overall context he is actually misapplying those attributes to service his message of becoming like Christ, but not to evangelise to the unsaved but to embrace the lie that Christians and Muslims serve the same God.
Isolating Christ’s attributes from the message is not apologising for the misleading message of pastor(?) Hudson.
Dear people.
to know your history is to know your future. Now Mohammed married Khadija, when he was 25 and she 40 years old, and she was a Catholic NUN. her cousin Warhguah was a Roman Catholic meccan. Mohammed Mustafa was born in 570 A.D. died in 632 A.D. fled to Madina in 622 A.D. after Khadija’s death. He march on Mecca in 630 A.D. tow years before he died. and 4 years before Omar become Caliph. the Koran was compiled in 650 A.D. Mohammed could not read or write. so the Catholic side of things wrote the Koran, and has been used to deceive them ever since. proof you say?
Hitler used them in the 2nd. world (many photos on youtube) and by the way the people from Abraham do go back to Ishmael, BUT the Islam religion only goes back to 650 A.D. just like the Jewish Hebrew Torah is from the start, and the Catholic church only goes back to say, 340 A.D. the Hebrew goes back to God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jesus and His disciples were first called Christians, NOT the Catholic church. in 1965 the Catholic were called ‘Roman Catholics” and they were told to say that they were now called Christians and many were very upset, because they were always called ‘Roman Catholic” and as far as Brian Houston is concerned, he does NOT have a Bible foundation church because he has allowed into his church, the deceptive and Satanic corrupted Catholic manuscripts, of Westcott and Hort , who were into Satanism, (they were very big on GHOST SOCIETY in the 1850’s) God bless you all. He is coming very soon people, and you better have your heart on Jesus Christ for their is no other But He. it is NOT church that you are saved, But in Jesus Christ Only. (john 3;16)
Ernie – that is ridiculous to say Khadija was a Catholic Nun. I have just been googling it and on Muslims forums about it. It comes from that fraud Rivera fellow, who is responsible for encouraging Chick into publishing that rubbish in Chick publications…that gullible people lap up and believe because they want to.
Khadija and her cousin were supposedly some form of Christian, most likely apostate otherwise Mohammed’s Qu’ran would sound more like the bible. It is not acceptable in any Muslim circles to say that Khadija was a Roman Catholic Nun which would have made her in their eyes an idolater. I think you could drop that one. You’ve been reading too many Chick pubs.
Amen Brother!…No way is Allah and God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost the same. Allah is not even in the game when it come to Salvation…Brian Houston has finally drank the Kool Aid ! ~ He is preaching Blasphemy when he compares Allah to God Our Father.
His statement is no surprise to us and our children. Hillsong in Cape Town South Africa has started to do even a “monkey dance and song” that is purely from satan and Hell. The Hindus serve a monkey as a god and monkey also stands for sexual perversity. Satan also tries his best to rob the church of its effectiveness. he tries to make people “worship” our Holy God in any way BUT true worship. We as true children of God must start to shout out and warn everybody as much as we can against the false “worship” and false prophets among us. Jesus Christ is THE ONLY WAY, TRUTH AND LIFE and whosoever says otherwise is not of God and is the anti-christ. Stand strong true sons and daughters of God. We will have to be like a Daniel and Shadrach Meshach and Abednigo and refuse to bow before false gods and a false way of “serving” and “worshiping” the living God.
It was a clumsy and incorrect statement to make. The Christian is New Testament, after Christ and the Muslim not until 600 years later, so neither are present in an Old Testament context. While Muslims have rewritten the Old Testament citing Ishmael as the chosen one and stating that Adam’s religion was Islam. Any pastor or student of The Bible would spot this a mile away.
allah does not exist. Made up god. Even fools know that.
Amen
Kenneth, your lack of education is really shining here. Allah simply is Arabic for God. Even Arabic Christians use it in reference to the God of Jacob. Not specific to the God of Islam or the God of Christianity. The point is, they are the same God but do both Islam and Christians worship the same way, use the same text, and on the same path to heaven, no, Islam rejects Jesus and without Jesus no one is saved. They also have their own book that is not Biblically accurate and cannot lead them to Jesus.
I was under the impression that islam was the perfect form of satan worship, women are property, all non-believers can murdered, used as slaves, whatever, with no reprissal, it is ok to lie and cheat to non-believers if there is only a few muslims, and on and on about being selfish, taking for yourself, others are dirt below your feet, that is the islam that is talked of in the koran. I think that brian is talking about chrislam, not Christianity.
Jeremy, you said “The point is, they are the same God …” Simply because Arab Christians and Muslims both worship a God they call Allah does not make it the same God simply because they share a common name. Read an article I wrote that addresses this thought.
http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/115-christians-and-muslims-do-they-worship-the-same-god
Dear sir, in regards to your comment that what I said was of Chick publication is not true. it is good that you read from them, But what I said is history like it or NOT, I have all the history proof that shows that what I have said is history, and I received it from people that know and it was before the internet ever was, and probable before your time. anyway, the message is Religion is NOT of God of the Bible, NO tent peg, NO church, NO candle, NO beads, NO Pope or Pastor, or Teacher, or Rabbi, opens the way the Heavenly Father, to lean on anything BUT Jesus Christ and His Grace, is a NO SHOW. for there IS NO other way But Jesus and His Sacrifice. as I said know your History is to know your future. Let it be known, That all those that do NOT believe what Jesus Christ said, and mock, and curse His name, proves that Jesus IS alive and well, because you ONLY Curse the Living, you NEVER Curse the Dead, because the Dead have long time parted and cannot defend them selves, so you ONLY curse the Living, and every time someone Curses or Mocks Jesus Christ they are proving to the world that Jesus Christ IS alive and will. Bod bless you all.
P.S. Jesus NEVER brought a Religion, But He Brought KINGDOM, thank God. for Religion and Traditions of men waist you time and energy, and makes the NICOLATIONS wealthy. and God Hates that (Rev.2;6 + Rev.2;24-25 + Rev.2;20)
‘Allah’ was a pagan moon god. The very essence of Islam is satanism. To suggest that Allah… a satanic entity… and Abba are the same is vile.
Teen Challenge Training Center teaches that Jesus and Allah are essentially one in the same, Jesus being God, and Allah being God. I thought that concept was crazy then, this was 1970, and I think it’s crazy now. Comparing Jesus to Mohammit is like comparing a German Concentration guard with Mother Teresa.
Islam did not exist until around 740 CE. The Qu’ran is very clear on this subject: Jesus is NOT the Son of God, and he was NOT crucified on the cross. That is what THEIR god told them. Somebody is lying. But this proves we are not worshiping the same God and never did.
Many comments below are very disturbing. There is no way to excuse Brian’s words. They are what they are. No way to misinterpret. If a strong, faithful Christian can actually talk themselves into excusing Brian’s statements, then one must wonder how firm S/HE will be in defending Christ if/when they are threatened. How much will it take for you to denounce Jesus, oh ye of little faith?
jesus said if you don’t believe that I am from the father then believe in the works you , see me doing, healing delivering miricals. some came to belive through those things and some did not. jesus came to show us the one and how to pray to the one. also jesus spoke Aramaic and the word used for the one is alaha. sound a bit like allah dosnt it. also muslims believe that jesus was not crucified and was taken straight to heaven and is still alive and is returning in the end times. sounds familiar dosnt it.the Koran states that allah made it appear that he was crucified but he went straight to heaven. jesus the only prophet with no natural human father,concieved by the spirit of god. sound familiar. I personaly believe in god and try to follow jesus as my savior but I dob also believe muhamed was a messenger of allaha as well. the aposles probably left Arabia out of their direction to take the gospel and god had to send someone to these brothers and sisters of ours as well. maybe humanes and pride got in the way of god as we all have it within us. on some thing we agree to disagree and even today a lot of Christian churches have become more like clubs than places of reverence for god. don’t get me wrong I love the church no matter which one because we all believe in savior and master nd teacher jesus who was sent and came from the one to show and teach us that we can speak with him. most churches disagree with other churches but we all believe in Christ. it is no wonder that most would say muslims cannot believe in the same god as us cos we cant even agree with each. other yet. do you think jesus would be happy with bhis church today. maybe there are some people that will never enter a church because of being abused in a church when a child. they may still be seeking god and find jesus in the Koran. jesus said those who lookb for me will find me and in a sense thev Koran could be that word where they find him and come back. the most highs ways are much higher than ours and we just need to let god be god try to do good for others less fortunate and love people.
I am gobsmacked by your comment.
Where to begin?
Do you know how Islam came about? Do you know its history?
Did you know that there were Christians and Jews living in Mecca at the time of the prophet, and some say that his first wife was an Ebionite Christian, but definitely that her cousin was an Ebionite priest copying the Gospel of Matthew to the Hebrews into Arabic at the time. (Ebionite apocrypha)
Mohammed was a pagan polytheist who worshiped at the Kaaba of Mecca.
An angel came to him in a cave as he meditated. It pressed on him so hard that he thought he was going to die. This happened 3 times. It ordered him to recite. He ran home terrified that he’d seen a jinn (devil) or been possessed. It was the Ebionite priest and his wife, who convinced him that this being was Gabriel even though this demon like behaviour was never shown by Gabriel in the bible. The way she proved it was by having sex in the presence of the angel. She concluded that because the being disappeared [according to Mohammed] when she disrobed and acted sexually that it was holy.
Absurd conjecture there!
The beginnings of Islam are no different to the beginnings of the cult of Mormanism. Joseph Smith also saw an Angel who gave him a new message, a new book and denied the deity of Jesus.
Islam is a cult offshoot of Judaism & Christianity, taking some of each and melding it into a doctrine and a religion, saying that it now supercedes all that went before it.
There are similarities in the Koran, but that is all it has. It tells us that our bibles are corrupt, but that the Holy Spirit – the Comforter in John is Mohammed predicted to come into the world. Yet in the Koran the Holy Spirit is Gabriel the Archangel.
Islam blasphemes the Holy Spirit – an unforgiveable sin.
Isa of the Koran, was born under a date palm, Joseph is never mentioned, Mary went on to be a single mother under the care of Zachariah. He spoke at the age of 2 months!! Isa is just a man, the 2nd last prophet to Mohammed. He is not God. He is not the Son of God, he failed in his mission, so much so that Mohammed had to be sent to fix it up. Isa is going to come back and break all the crosses [destroy Christianity] and kill the pigs [destroy Israel] and live for 40 years – marry – have children and then die. Isa will lead the army of Muslims and perhaps he will, but it will be as the Anti-Christ or false prophet.
The Cult is dangerous, it is full of lies, of blasphemy against both Jesus and the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Their Allah has NONE of the attributes of our God, he is not a father, he is impersonal, and is called the great deceiver.
They reject Christianity, all of our truths, they loathe the cross and deny its power, and they say we have committed shirk – blasphemy – by saying Jesus is the Son of God.
For that we should be beheaded.
Do not be fooled by Western Muslims who want us to convert to Islam. True Islam is found in the Middle East in Muslim Dominated countries, where becoming a Christian is punishable by death for Apostasy.
Isa is not Jesus. My Jesus comes back as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the First and the Last. Without beginning and without end. He is the fulfilment of all the Messianic prophecies of which Islam has no understanding at all, even though they call him Messiah.
In Islam Messiah is an empty word.
Do not go there: Read the bible. Before you study anything about Islam you MUST know who Jesus is. Once you enter a cult a spirit of blindness will cloud your eyes and your mind and you will no longer see.
Read up, study the world of God. Know who Jesus is, his claims of Messianic Prophecy. He fulfilled all of them. He is the Son of God, He is God.
Please heed these words of Paul in Galations 1:8
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”
“…. also jesus spoke Aramaic and the word used for the one is alaha [sic]. sound a bit like allah dosnt [sic] it.”
Using your logic two different people who have the same name means they are the same person.
also muslims believe that jesus was not crucified…”
*NOT* crucified. Islam directly contradicts the bible and therefore Christianity. Read the 4 Gospels chapters RE JEsus’ crucifixion. If Jesus did not die on the cross for your sins then you are still in your sins and you are still condemned.
“…dosnt [sic] it.the Koran states that allah made it *appear*…”
Allah is a deceiver then and not the God of the Bible if Allah made it seem like Jesus died if he (allegedly) didn’t. It clearly states that God cannot lie (e.g.Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18)
” jesus the only prophet with no natural human father,concieved [sic] by the spirit of god. sound familiar”.
You need to visit a good Christian apologetics website RE the TRINITY doctrine and Islam’s distortion of that doctrine ASAP. e.g. http://www.aomin.org
You do realise that Islam formed in the *7th century* AD by an illiterate self-proclaimed prophet who believed in the 2nd and 3rd century writings of Gnostic heretics instead of the apostles’ writings in the New Testament – who walked with Jesus HIMSELF in the first century AD – don’t you?
The rest of your comment clearly reveal how lacking in spiritual wisdom you are. Today’s preachers and pastors will have a huge amount of “explainin’ to do”. SO many people like yourself are taught by them to seem loving and accepting AT THE EXPENSE of biblical truth.
As well as reading the Gospels again please return to the Book of Proverbs in a GOOD bible translation. (A chapter a day is very therapeutic for any Christian really.) Biblegateway website has many bible versions available.
Ummm…we still gotta stick with 1 John 4:2-4.
Justice, so glad you responded the way you did, it says it all!
The line of Ishmael got involved in Pagan moon-God worship. Allah is the shortened form of Al-llah. Muhammad was brought up in this Cult. Islam has the same symbol-crescent moon, same name of God-Allah, same rites & practices- cutting themselves & slaughtering “infidels” as a sacrifice to Allah. It really appears that Islam is going to be that last one-world religion. What other Cult decapitates you if you refuse to convert?
While the West looks for a European leader, and 10 Euro nations and “Left Behind” Scenarios, Islam waits in the wings pretending to be benevolent and peaceful, all the while it hides within its doctrines that infidel should be beheaded.
You are so right Salem.
Islam will not succeed! Christ is to return and set up his Kingdom from Jerusalem. There has always been a Plan. The Lord keeps his promises to Abraham. Christ’s Kingdom is not in heaven but here, on earth. The Temple will be rebuilt on the Temple mount and there will be war no more and all peoples will know the Lord.
Through Abraham and Hagar and their son Ishmael is the ONLY tie between Christianity and Islam..they were cast out of the tribe for causing so much strife..BUT THEY DO NOT SERVE THE SAME GOD. Allah means god…..god is NOT A NAME BUT A PRONOUN, like doctor, lawyer, pastor. Christians who constantly refer to either Jehovah or Jesus as God, have obviously lost who they are praying to or speaking of…..God is not a name…all other gods have a name, in ancient Egypt there’s Horus, Greek myth Thor, etc…..or even wealth or success can be your god.. IDK Allah’s name
The God of the Old Testament was the Most High God, Jehovah, and He gave His most Precious Son, Jesus, to save the world. GOD IS NOT A NAME, and Jehovah’s name is mentioned in the Old Testament 1-4 times depending which version you read. Everywhere you see Lord God in the Old Testament, that is where the Original Text Jehovah was located. Somewhere between 400-200 BC, the Hebrew scribes took His name out as they felt they weren’t holy enough speak His name nor write it w/o multiple cleansing rites.
IDK what Allah’s name is, but if you still question what I’ve said, Google Mohammed, read about Islam’s most holy prophet, he was a violent pedophile….do you think Jesus would accept him as a prophet….THE ANSWER IS AN ABSOLUTE NO! and His Father told you to HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.
Ishmael is Abraham’s first son and his progeny is not forgotten. Ishmael is the father of the Arab nations (Bedouin). In the Kingdom age, the Arab and the Jew will be brothers. The line goes thru Isaac to Jesus Christ.
“Go ye into ALL the world, preach the gospel to everyone, and make disciples of ALL men. He that believes/obeys and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes/obeys not will be damned.” ~ Jesus (Mark16:15-16) Not “nit-pick” other people’s beliefs to death – simply LIFT UP THE LORD JESUS CHRIST (as He told us), and He will draw ALL men unto Himself. It is not at all hard to lift up Jesus – He is far greater, the creator of true/pure Love, an unmatched majestic super-power of goodness, mercy, and salvation than anyone – ever. Only Jesus has the Words of eternal life. Only Jesus has the authority to raise us out of death and the grave!
Knowing God isn’t about Isaac nor is it about Ishmael; IT’S ABOUT JESUS!
When are “religious” people going to stop bickering about stupid stuff and find the only thing that really matters: Love and serve God and love your “neighbors” as yourself (regardless of faith).
Stop the self-righteous judgments that only hurt people and listen to the Savior’s commands. Every skeptic deserves to see Jesus’ Holy Spirit in you who call yourself by His name: “Christian”. To fully love and obey Jesus; this is the only Way the world is going to know Peace.
Imagine … PEACE.
KRBeel says:
“To fully love and obey Jesus; this is the only Way the world is going to know Peace.
Imagine … PEACE.”
but the *Bible* says:
‘While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.’
St Paul fought wrong doctrine and disciplined the first church when it went wrong. Galatians is all about reprimand. We need to know Islam to speak about Islam. Apologists like David Wood, Sam Shamoun, Brigitte Gabriel, Robert Spencer are debating the Imams of Islam. They NEED to know why it is Isaac not Ishmael. And we also in today’s state of War both within and without our country, need to know our enemy. The Muslim is not our enemy, but Islam is. An Anti-Christ in our midst. Whether THE Anti-Christ remains to be seen. Islam denies the death, resurrection and deity of Jesus Christ. Denies the Holy Spirit and calls him Gabriel in the Koran. And calls the Comforter in the Gospel of John, Mohammed.
Most Christians do not know what Islam stands for. Its end time doctrine calls for the destruction of every person who does not convert to Islam. By beheading. Sound familiar to anyone who has read Revelation?
For some are called to be the ones who love by action, some are teachers and some are evangelists, etc. The church is broad and everyone has a place specially built for them. Find it and work with a passion at your assignment, but don’t tell someone else who has a different role, that there is only one role and that is yours.
You are going out with A gospel. BUT is it the true gospel or a fake one.. Lots of fake gospels out there today.. The feel good get rich quick gospel, which fills up the mega churches with greater sons of hell than the people were before they went there. And Houston’s saying that Islam and Christ are the same Gods. You call that the true gospel?. ALSO Houston promotes the Roman Catholic cult from the pulphit and you think that is fine. ? What about contending ernestly for the faith ? Did you know that is part of the true gospel too. I guess the Mega churches wouldn’t dare preach on that? Bad for the tithing bags?
I read in the book “The Cross and the Crescent” about a convert from Islam to Christianity. He said that post his conversion, he didn’t see Allah much different to God. Obviously their “view” of what Muslims call Allah is different to how we view Jehovah.
BUT – Mohammed was a “prophet”. He was not the Son of God. Jesus is the Son of God. Mohammed is not the narrow road that leads to life, Jesus is. Jesus is the Sacrifice for the sins of the world, Mohammed is not. That is the difference. And on that basis, I am unable to understand how anyone other than a Christian can have a relationship with God, because it is through Jesus. I don’t know what Muslims have with God – it can’t be a relationship. Maybe’s it’s an ideal, an emotional connection. But as Jesus Himself, no one comes to the Father except through the Son.
P.S. On another note – I do not believe Christianity is “under attack” from Islam. I don’t believe that Australia or Islam is going to fall under Sharia Law etc. There is very little chance the Muslim religion would become mainstream in countries like Australia, the US etc. Just look at how parliament works etc.
However – I believe the greatest threat to Christianity is atheism. Atheism is based on science, which is apparently never wrong. Because Atheism is not define as a “religion” so to speak, our Parliament could be full of them, therefore coming against religion – Christianity and also Islam. And when you have some of the most intelligent people in the world aggressively promoting atheism and slaughtering Christianity, we have a threat.
You are not aware of what is really going on if you do not believe Islam is a threat to Christianity around the world and even in the U.S. and Australia. Do yourself a favor and subscribe to http://www.counterjihadreport.com for a while and you will see the way the Muslim Brotherhood is working within Western nations, and the way western leaders are promoting them. Also check out http://www.understandingthethreat.com to learn from former FBI agent/counter-terrorism expert who implemented the created and implemented the FBI’s first Counterterrorism Training/Education Program. Also, check out Bill Warner’s articles. And then there is Walid Shoebat’s articles, investigations and books at http://www.shoebat.com. Walid also has End-Times teachings showing that every nation spoken of in last days prophecies is today Islamic.
Americans and all westerners need to wake up.
EXCELLENT, Christine! Thx.
Christine, you are absolutely correct!!! The West is sleeping. I actually made the statement in 1998 in a class at Liberty University that Allah was the same as YHWH. The professor asked me to make sure…I wasn’t. I did a paper on it. I read the Koran and even in the Koran, Allah says of himself, “I am not the light, I am the one beside the light”. Allah says of himself that he is hateful, prideful…many attributes that Allah says of himself are are actually opposite of our God. Jihad is a pillar of Islam…trust and believe that. They ain’t playin! Open your eyes!
Yes Christine, you are correct. I personally know Bill Warner and have chatted with him on the phone and via email.
I have been exposing the lies of Islam and shedding truth on this subject since 1999, before it became popular on 9/11. I’m considered somewhat of an expert on the subject by many, and I teach at colleges and churches on the subject of Islam. Regarding the topic at hand: Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God? I have written an article that compares ten attributes that show without a doubt they are not the same.
http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/115-christians-and-muslims-do-they-worship-the-same-god
Then you need to read more often…Open Doors cites more than 60 Muslim-dominated countries presently persecute Christians daily!
Where have you been? Apparently, you have no clue as to what is happening all around the world on a daily basis!
For further insight, go to jihadwatch.org and LEARN!
As a retired pastor, I find this pastor’s comments heretical and apostate. He exhibits a profound degree of ignorance of both the Bible, the Gospel as well as the Quran. He must be rebuked publicly for spreading false doctrine!
The singular claim that Christians do not “deify” our Lord Jesus automatically disqualifies him to occupy a pulpit because he is not a true believer. Let’s be clear! No person (in either pulpit or pew) can, rightly, claim to be a Christian if they do not worship, or deify, the Lord Jesus Christ!
This is absolutely right. The threat of Islam is very real. In fact, the word Lucifer in Isaiah 14 is Helal ben Shachar, which is understood to mean “crescent moon, morning star”. It’s the Spirit of Antichrist from go to woe.
Islam certainly CLAIMS to be Abrahamic and some Muslims claim Yahweh (Father specifically) and Allah are the same. However, even a cursory glance at some Quranic verses tells you this is not true. To consider that God is Triune, or that Jesus is God, or that the cross is our redemption is blasphemy in Islam.
I wonder if he was trying to say that Muslims initially thought they had a better way to worship God and perhaps thought they were worshipping Yahweh. Nice thought but again that’s not right either – Mohammed was clear that Jews and Christians did not worship the same god.
You all ought to lighten up a bit on that kangaroo jumper Pastor Houston. He’s not a Biblical scholar, probably does his own mechanical work. I mean he’s in Australia. He’s country. He has a band. Cut the poor guy some slack. So maybe he’s not playing with a full deck? Who knows? People say prolonged exposure to loud music clouds your thinking. Maybe that’s it. He’s in the out-back, drinks cold Australian beer…so what if he isn’t an expert on Islam? I just think everybody should lighten up a little bit. Pastors have a hard enough time without a bunch of yahoos jumping up and down about issues even they are fogged up about.
“so what if he isn’t an expert on Islam?”
Then he needs to shut up if he does not know what he is talking about. He needs to step down if he can’t teach the Christian faith or even defend it.
“I just think everybody should lighten up a little bit.”
On what? Secularism is not neutral towards Christianity. It is against it. A secular church is not neutral towards Christianity. It is Pastors who “have a hard enough time” putting up with false teachers like Brian Houston who do more damage in their false gospel, false doctrine, ignorance and pride. The secular push behind the pulpit from men like Brian Houston is what is giving pastors a hard time. Look how confused Christians are over the issue on distinguishing the difference between Islam and Christianity. False teachers who are spreading secularist ideologies and methods in the church are the ones who are doing more damage in the church than good.
Pastors have a hard time with Brian Houston. Biblically qualified pastors who are trying to lead Christian’s into the fullness of Christ in both wisdom and maturity are being hammered by the waves of ignorance flowing from the pulpit of Houston. When Brian Houston decides to step down, intellectual Christianity will finally return to the churches of Australia.
In reply to Marshall. Better believe that Islam is out to take over ALL countries.. Their Mahdi can not return until the WHOLE world is converted to Islam. Why don’t you go to the mosque at Lakemba in Sydney or listen to the sermons and see what they think of Australia. Take a trip to Saudia Arabia with a bible in your bag and see how far you get. And Have a close look at America ,, It now has a Muslim president who has total power over the congress. Obama has promised to end Christmas in America before the end of his second term.
Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Brian Houston leads a suburban megachurch in Sydney; not a small rural church. It is “Hills Community Church” but most people refer to it by the name of their music label “HillSong”.
I am shocked by his ignorant statement about Islam. The god of Islam is indistinguishable from our Satan.
My church mostly uses songs from “HillSong” now. I miss the days when we used at least occasional hymns along with old choruses like “Scripture in Song”. The theology in the typical “HillSong” song is shallow, the grammar is often faulty (misleading; contributing to confusion of theology) and the music is hard to play. The singing from the congregation becomes perfunctory and is often drowned out by our (skilled) music teams. I would prefer that the congregation participated more, as happens with well-written hymns which have singable words and regular rhythms.
If u don’t believe Islam is a threat to the western world, you are blind…. Why do u think they are here (and our weak leaders let them in)! They breed fast, they will elect their own reps and by a majority change our Constitution, bring in Sharia law and rule with an iron fist and it will be, “convert or die”, as it has always been since 7th century. That maybe their Plan but, it will not succeed as there is God’s Plan.
I’m certainly not one to defend Houston but since being challenged on twitter he has posted a disclaimer…
“Yes it is what came out but no it’s not what I meant. Meant that Islam descends from one of Abraham’s sons…Ishmael”.
But as was well said elsewhere “the Muslim people trace their religion back to Mohammed, who had a vision from an “angel” in 610 A.D. Islam is not an Abrahamic faith. The people descending from Ishmael were pagans who chased after many other false gods – but they were not Muslim.”
Wowsers! I don’t have the theological background BH has, or his money, or his….whatever – but gee even I knew that. It started with the vision Mohammed got post-Jesus. Which is why it’s a well-thought out religion. It’s even got a sacred text!
Now, remember it wasn’t just Mohammed who got a special revelation. Remember good ol’ Joey Smith? And the angel Moroni (sounds like an Italian espresso machine, don’t it?) visiting him and giving him some gold plates? How about the Mormon’s pathetic example of how Old Testament Scripture about the two sticks of Israel and Judah joined together – how they turned that into using the Bible and the Book of Mormon?
All these impostors reckon they have some special revelation from God. Wow, I wasn’t the recently-passed Bob Jones able to instantly ascend into the Third Heaven? He tells stories of sitting at the dinner table and doing it. At least he didn’t proclaim to be the Way. So anyway if it’s been established by human will or careful planning by Satan himself, good ol’ Mohammed ain’t got nothing on Jesus, neither does Joey Smith, not Anne White, nor, um, John Lennon, Buddha. Good try though peeps.
Having said that, maybe it’s the hardening of my heart from my social interactions, I’m not into heinously slagging other religions, as I wouldn’t like them to do it to Jesus.
As for the conspiracy theories – I have one too – a popular, best selling book, “88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be in 1988”.
Oh and two words – Harold. Camping.
God bless ya’ll, even the Muslims.
‘I’m not into heinously slagging other religions, as I wouldn’t like it done to Jesus” Well it is done to Jesus, the worst being when Jesus was nailed to a
cross. We are called to proclaim Jesus and to abhor false gods.
No Annette what I mean is – to the Muslim sitting in the next pod at work, I’m not gonna say to him, “Your religion is evil and bent on killing people and that’s your secret agenda.”
Doing so would be particularly unproductive for Christianity. Nor would I say to the gay lady I work with, “You’re gay and going to hell.”
The shock tactics don’t work. It just builds a greater resentment towards Christianity and this turns into a society-wide attitude where Christianity gets so reviled no one is interested and in the process the Good News gets clouded. Lifestyle evangelism works, not door knocking and handing out tracts; maybe in the 50’s, but not now.
@Squidaloopa – You should find a time travel machine and let Paul know he did it all wrong. He probably offended some people… Christianity could be way bigger if he wasn’t such a jerk!
This video has been up since early Jan. Why was it not taken down or corrected? Is truth important? Maybe BH should hire some critics to help improve quality/truth control.
It seems with all the thousands of people who listened to this sermon, no-one in the Hillsong world was able to point out the boo-boo and have the mistake rectified. Where’s the leadership team here?
Is Brian going to make a formal correction showing the mistake? The correction will need to be a very clear and educated statement about the differences between Islam and Christianity.
Making a twitter disclaimer does not fix it.
Agreed. The fact remains that many Christians are uneducated concerning Islam, its history and its mandate to dominate all others-as well as the tremendous strides it is making in the world and the horrific atrocities it is committing against Christians worldwide–as well as its place in Bible prophecy as all the countries named int he end times prophecies are today Islamic. Worth someone’s attention.
Since Brian Houston is a long time supporter and promoter of the Pope in Rome , we should not be overly surprised. Pope Frances has stated that Muslims are his brothers, Houston i simply clarifing his stand for the Ecumenical movement. Jesus says “when HE returns will be find faith on earth? ” Jesus never says HE will find mega churches all over the earth. This point alone should be a clear warning that Houston and his doctrines are people pleasing ear tickling doctrines of demons.
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Brian made the original statement statement in a mid-morning session at Hillsong Conference. At the lunch time Q&A meeting he was questioned over the statement. He clarified to all pastors and leaders present that God and Allah are NOT the same, that he pointed to the prophesy over Ishmael in Genesis 16:11-12 whose rebellion ultimately against the God of Israel would lead to the foundation of Islam.
Thanks Harry. Pleased to hear pastors and leaders questioned the statement.
Why would they have put the video up without correction? Or up at all. Why did Brian Houston not make it that clear in his “apology”.
I agree with Chris Rosebrough. Brian needs to make a clear statement about where he stands.
Brian, unfortunately your “clarifying” statement does not clear up the matter:
1. The “clarifying” statement you made above does not address the issue. The
points you made were:
a. “Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God”
b. You clarified your point with “Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God”, then,
c. “And of course through history, those views have changed greatly.”
So it is reasonable for people to understand you meant Allah and Abba father are the same, and then people would assume Christians and Muslims have much in common (same god), as the god defines the worshippers (not the worshippers define the god).
You followed with: “the loving open INCLUSIVE arms of a loving God”. I thought I was listening to an Emergent speaker. So we have Rick Warren and Rob Bell overtones in a few sentences!
2. Please make a very PUBLIC and CLEAR statement (not here or on twitter) correcting what you said and remove some of the confusion, especially in light of the “Chrislam”/Rick Warren controversy and your association with him. This association has probably caused people to try and connect the dots, worrying how churches like yours are becoming more like the world when attempting to be relevant, or blurring the lines when tip-toeing around culturally sensitive issues.
In a climate of compromise, there remains that niggle in the back of people’s minds – was it a mistake or not?
So, what is the difference between the Christian God and Allah; the exclusivity of Christ (ie. the only way); and where you stand? Tell us. At the end, there is no confusion.
James White is a leading and reputable Christian expert and author in this matter, has studied the Quran, debates/discusses with Muslim leaders and has fantastic resources that may prove useful. Maybe he can even speak at Hillsong.
Truth matters and there is no reason for this not to be cleared up. As a pastor you probably share this concern, unless you are softening your audience for a Rick Warren adventure.
You have a unique position and the ability to reach millions. May God give you wisdom with this.
If that is what he meant, why did he say “we serve the same God…Allah to Muslims.to us Abba Father God”. Plain as the nose on your face what he is saying. He is back pedaling now because he is getting flack.
God loves people who repent, apologise and who are not to proud to retract their words. Think the best, hope the best and keep no record of wrong. I am concerned with your agenda, but only God knows your heart. Oh ya only God knows Brians heart also. Good thing He is the judge.
Then he needs to make a very clear and public retraction and restatement of what he really meant, because Rose is correct that it seems very clear that he said we serve the same God. When someone has a following, this is important as it informs many either for good or for bad. Ignorance of the truth about Islam is not bliss–it is death. God does require us to judge what teachers say–whether it is the truth. It is a cop out to just say “Good thing He is the judge.” He has given us the responsibility to discern the truth or error according to His Word. We are not judging whether or not the man is a Christian, but the truth about Islam vs Christianity is a life and death issue around the world. Christians are being murdered in droves in horrible ways by Islam, and Islam is making great inroads by other methods in the U.S. and other Western countries, they have made their intent plain–they say it all the time. Here: http://www.raymondibrahim.com/; this man can tell you.
1 Cor 5:12 “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”
We are to judge those inside the church…
Oh My Lord!!! We used to say that sometimes ignorance is a Bliss. In this case, I would like to ask the Hillsong people, one question: Do you guys read ARABIC? Do you know the 99 names of ALLAH in the Quran? Do you know that one of those names is AL GHADDAR, which means the traitor, and another one AL MOUZELL, which means the giver of Disgrace, AL MOUTAKABBER, which means the self glorious, AL DARR which means the one who harms….Do those names fit with OUR LORD JESUS-CHRIST? Do they describe JESUS? Hillsong PEOPLE…YOU have a VERY big apology on your hand. HE is returning…
Totally agree with you, Squidaloopa, I would never be rude to someone, on purpose, and would not speak so judgementally and harsh to anyone for their sin. We are all under sin, and God tells us clearly to speak the truth in love. God is Love.
Squidaloopa you said, “Lifestyle evangelism works, not door knocking and handing out tracts; maybe in the 50′s, but not now.”
I have to disagree with you there.
Jesus’ disciples “door knocked” in every sense. They did not practice “lifestyle evangelism”.
Lifestyle evangelism does not produce converts because the Gospel message does not go forth.
I can assure you…
Your excellent and holy lifestyle does not bring people to Christ.
Only the Gospel message does that, and that comes by preached God’s Word.
Hi Liz
As opposed to vehemently defending my position, am happy to divulge my reasons as to why I think it does work….
My reference to door-knocking not working in contemporary society – refer Jehovah’s Witness’, door-to-door salesmen etc. Even on my lunch break today I saw an Asian Mormon attempting to strike up a conversation with other young Asians. It didn’t end particularly well.
I am not convinced cold-calling evangelism as such is effective, as per the examples above.
As per lifestyle evangelism, refer Matthew 5:16. Also Gospel references to being salt and light. Of course I fail at this spectacularly, as we all do, but in this day and age I think it is a much more effective tool for evangelism.
Having been physically out of a church building for around 12 months, I’ve got my own conclusions regarding the “contemporary” church. Are big TV’s going to bring people? Is cool music? Are people gonna wake up on Sunday morning with a hangover and say, “I might just go to church today!”.
Marrying my perspective with your comments, I believe Jesus’ mandate of “GO!” has slowly become one of “come!”; not to say people aren’t GO-ing to say “come” to Jesus, nor do big community events not bring people, but just building a fancy building with TV’s and a free coffee probably isn’t going to get the average punter out of his house and into a pew. And having spoken to people from different denominations, I have found that the attitude and focus of the individual church (ie community focused or internally focused) is a key player in Kingdom results.
I might also add my own website as a resource. I have been teaching Islam to churches for several years and have studied Islam academically at the post graduate level. I wrote an article that addresses this very topic:
http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/115-christians-and-muslims-do-they-worship-the-same-god
John 14:16 Jesus says ” Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”….. enough said.
Have been reading a bit about James Randi – a worshipped leader of the organised atheist cult. Seems far more dangerous than a Christian who misspoke then apologises.
This is a witch hunt, the very problem with most “Christians”! Brian is speaking of the Old Testament context, context is everything, yes the Muslim religion began with Muhammad after Christ but it’s origins and beginnings Are with Ishmael. Notice afterwards how he talks about the cross
And the resurrection. Get over your selfs people. Always looking to discredit someone with credibility. Brains message is a great message and a great church! Stop talking about others and do something for the kingdom.
Hi RH,
can you lease explain why BH brought muslims and allah into the sermon?
Is it just another view of the same God?
The 3rd servant didn’t know his master. So BH saying Christians and muslims serve the same god is not helpful teaching.
Why did BH hammer the “critics” so emphatically soon after? Is it a way to shut down critical thought and ensure no-one says anything. Looks like it worked.
The video has been up since early Jan.
BTW, what was the purpose or point of the message?
first of all you need to check your Old Testament History. It was a side point in the message. The Muslim faith has its origins with Ishmael, the son Abraham had illegitimately. The Muslim faith we have today didn’t start until Muhammad came about after the time of Christ. The birth-right as Abraham’s first born Ishmael but was passed over for Isaac is the source of the tension between Muslims and Jews today. In the beginning of Islam going back to Ishmael and his clan they worshipped the God of Abraham but referred to him as Allah rather than Jehovah. Brian is only saying that filters and judgments can lead us to an erroneous view of any and everything. The point was he was instructing leaders and pastors to lead from the place of the heart of Jesus. He spoke quite a bit about the cross the resurrection and the holy spirit. I was a member of this church for a number of years before I returned home to the US. This entire site is a misguided smear campaign against the CHRUCH, by a group of peopled so legalistic they are blind.
What ‘kingdom’are you talking about RH? The Kingdom of God and His ONLY begotten Son Jesus Christ…..or the false doomed kingdom of Satan..the kingdom of heresy and Lies? Hillsong is NOT a ‘church’ it is registered as a corporation.
I do not serve or worship Allah, the moon God. I worship and serve the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of Israel who sent His only Son to be the propitiation of our sins, even Jesus Christ the “ho antrhopas”, the unique God Man of the Universe our only Savior.
The current antichrist doctrine is.
“All religions are just different ships headed toward the same island.”
THIS IS EVIDENTLY WHAT THE POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON D.C. BELIEVE.
..If Rev Huston has subscribed to this He is a part of the falling away ..
.2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Interesting Rick Warren’s the USA WOF ‘teacher’ started in 2012 a new effort /document dubbed, the King’s Way, about ‘we serve the same God’ heresy.Houston has just stolen the material and ‘used/plagiarised’ it 2 years later. So……WHEN will we see Houston attend the local Mosque? will hillsong TV cover the event? Perhaps bobbie houston would attend in a burqa? Back up your own ‘imaginings’ houston.
dear brothers and sisters in Christ, the falling away is at hand, but let us all cleanse ourselves (get right with God) , and fear Him who, after He has killed,
has power to cast into hell! (Luke 12:5). believe God is separating the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the tares. We all must be mindful of our calling which is a high calling in Christ Jesus! And most of all humble ourselves! Let’s love one another. Amen?
Are you a Christian Susan? Do you believe in calling Almighty God by another name? [thou shalt have NO other gods before Me]..? When God demanded the Jewish people conquer land and peoples, would you have ‘played the Harlot’ and said ‘let’s just love one another’? There are 2 very big camps of Christianity today…one is Biblical and believes the Living Word of God-The Holy Bible, and there is another camp of American inspired heretic mega-pastors and followers calling themselves apostles like Houston/ Pringle,Furtick, Jakes and Warren..who claim the Word is old and dead..[THAT is why islam thinks Christianity is a joke..The Apostles Peter and Paul would have drawn their swords at this modern-day outrage]. Either Houston knows and defies the Holy word of God..or he is completely ignorant and a false teacher. I suspect he is both. Will Jesus Christ come in Judgement and say ‘let’s just love another’ or will He divide good and evil with a 2 edged sword?
Will you fight evil with a guitar, cafe, useless books,dvd’s or a song? Or will you choose the Absolute, Infallible LIVING word of God?
Amen!
Double Amen
Jesus said,”I AM the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father,but by me.” The Lord Jesus made it so simple, even a child gets it. Why can’t these ‘so called’ leaders understand. The spirit of antichrist is alive & well…even deceiving some who claim to follow Jesus. concerningthetimes.com
As an ‘authentic follower of Yeshua”, I am amazed at the gullibility of so many….it is a document biblical fact that ‘allah’ is not the God we worship….have read and heard a few muslim converts make the very same declaration! No wonder so many will be and are being deceived today,
Check out Nabeel Qureshi’s book, “Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus.” It is the best book out there on what Muslim’s believe and how it compares to what Christians believe.
If you “take it back to the Old Testament” like he says, Islam believes they are descendants from the rejected son, Ishmael. This is what is told in the Bible about Ishmael,
(Genesis 21:13, 18-21) “13 And I will make a nation of the son of the slave woman also, because he is your offspring.” …
18 Up! Lift up the boy, and hold him fast with your hand, for I will make him into a great nation.” 19 Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water. And she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. 20 And God was with the boy, and he grew up. He lived in the wilderness and became an expert with the bow. 21 He lived in the wilderness of Paran, and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.”
…….There’s one God, and the Bible shows that he is the God of the descendants of Isaac as well as Ishmael, because of Abraham.
Carol, yes the God of the descendants of both Isaac and Ishmael is the same God of Abraham. But that statement does not answer the question: Is the God of Islam the same God Jews and Christians worship? I have been studying Islam academically for many years at the graduate school level and teach on Islam in both churches and colleges. Here is an article I wrote to address this question:
http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/115-christians-and-muslims-do-they-worship-the-same-god
There is one thing that God does not know,
He knows no other god
Ah wait…. The Qu’ran is very clear on this subject. Jesus is NOT the Son of God, and he was NOT crucified on the cross. That is what THEIR god told them. Somebody is lying. But this proves we are not worshiping the same God.
Maybe He is trying to build a bridge, WE are all so quick t judge, but God looks at the heart!!!!
There are no bridges with Islam. Neither should we try to build one. We can converse with them, love them, but there is nothing that connects us, nor should it.
2 Cor 6:14-15
“What fellowship can light have with darkness?”
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Allah and the God revealed through the Bible are two different personalities. Allah is a pagan god who was worshiped by Quresh tribe along with 360 other gods. Muhammad , the prophet of Islam, never heard Allah directly. A black stone is the main deity of this Allah. YAHWEH has nothing to do with Allah.
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This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be…blasphemers… traitors…Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY.
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
(II Timothy 3, I John. 2, Matthew 24, kjv)
Take a listen to Dr. Andy Bannister’s sermon (http://www.kilcona.org/content.cfm?id=213&download_id=69) on four major differences between the god of Islam and the God of the Bible — helpful and to the point.
Lover Andy Bannister. Here is an article that articulates ten different points of comparison between the God of the Bible and the Allah of Islam.
http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/115-christians-and-muslims-do-they-worship-the-same-god
You have taken an excerpt from the Brian Houston out of context. His point of both faiths being incompatible I agree but that is not Brian Houston’s point. Historically as Anon just pointed out, is rooted out of the same bloodline. I am not sure if this was a lack of studying or done with malicious intent, however I expect an apology. The same force you wrote this article with, you should write an apology for your error. If you have a issue with your brother, you should leave your gift at the alter and go reconcile with your brother. Without an apology you cannot worship. A true sign of a believer is repentance.
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To me it sounds like he is saying this is the Muslim’s view, not the Christian’s.
Surah IV: 157 and 158 “And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of conjecture; they slew him not for certain, but Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was every Mighty, Wise.” So one can easily see how different the Holy Bible is from the Koran. Allah per the Koran says Jesus did not die on the cross and God per the Holy Bible says Jesus died on the cross. How can Allah of the Koran and God of the Bible be the same?
Educate me on how Islamic Muslims are for peace and harmony with Christians after watching this; http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/christians-throats-slit-in-pagan-slaughterhouse/
How can we trust any of them if we do not know what they believe? If they are radical or not?
The politcally correct are never Christ correct. It is my opinion he is saying this to appease the Muslims.
You’d have to think there were very few Muslims in the Hillsong Leadership Conference he was addressing.
And the context was always to have your focus on the New Testament, not on the Old Testament, which is still viable as a set of examples, but only when filtered through the New Testament.
He was telling everyone to filter their understanding of God through the New Testament teachings. Is there anyone here who would actually disagree with this, or are you just going to point your fingers at something Brian Houston has since clarified as an error on his part?
By the way, the Abraham didn’t know God as YHWH, or as Jehoshuah. He knew God as El Shaddai. YHWH didn’t reveal Himself as The I AM until Moses.
Are you, also, saying that Indonesians and Christian Malays are worshipping a false God when they call Him Allah, as they do?
In fact, Malaysian Christians are currently being persecuted through Malaysian law for calling God Allah in their Bible translations and Hymns. What will you be saying to them on this?
Jews also deny Christ, or that Jesus is God, but they certainly do worship the same God, the God of the Old Testament.
Finally, at least c3churchwatch shows the entire segment, which is fair, but Appraising Ministries, on his site, cuts it down to a 37 second clip, which is both misleading and misses the context of what Brian Houston is saying.
The sermon has been taken down. We will try to give Apprising the sermon.
Well Gordy,
I actually did mission work in Malaysia for 10 years. I asked a pastor from Johor Baru about his teaching in a church full of Indonesians who were supposed converts to Christ. I asked him if he had clearly explained the difference between Allah the moon god and Jesus Christ of the bible? HE said he couldn’t do that or most of the congregation would leave. So are these Muslims genuine converts ? NO! They are being conned into believing Allah and Jesus are the same God.. Otherwise known as Christlam. And this deception is done so the church can appease Islam and escape persecution and also to get money and church numbers.. It is outright fraud.
I was going to leave it at that, but Paul Ryan’s comments are so far from the truth that they require a response.
There are more than 20 million genuine Christians in Indonesia who all call God ‘Allah’, and definitely know that, in their eyes, this Allah, as God and Jesus, are one. I have spent many years travelling there on ministry, so my experience completely counters yours.
Perhaps you asked the wrong person. Why not ask the Christians in Kupang, known as the city of churches and predominantly Christian, if they agree with your rubbish statements?
As for government funding, it rarely goes to Indonesian Christians, whether that call God ‘Allah’ or not. It is just a language thing. God in Indonesian is ‘Allah’.
A reply to Gordy
So it is clear that you agree with Brian Houston’s teaching.. I am sure Islam will love you. Unless the church makes a VERY CLEAR distinction between the God of Islam ( Fake Moon God Allah and the true God , Jesus Christ ) Then Christlam will continue to expand. And I guess they don’t use the name Jesus Christ in these churches? And who brought up Indonesia? I NEVER mentioned that country. By the way Jesus says, “When He returns , will HE find faith on earth?” Never says he will find mega churches and whole villages becoming Christian. Better read your bible more carefully and stop following the doctrines of the ” Word of Faith ” pastors like Brian Houston who is a wolf in sheep’s clothing..
Paul Ryan, you are missing the point. As I have posted numerous times in this thread, in order to correct misunderstanding, simply because Muslims worship a god they call Allah, and Christians of various languages also call the God of the Bible Allah does not mean they are worshipping the same God, nor are they engaging in Chrislam. Good grief. My wife is named Christine, so am I to suppose if I were to meet another woman also named Christine, she would be my wife simply because she shares the same name? I hope you see how ridiculous that thought is.
Gordy is correct. There are indeed Christians around the world, Arabic speaking Christians, Christians in Malaysia, in Indonesia, who call the God of the Bible Allah, because that is the only word available for God. They are NOT Muslim; they are Christians.
We must move beyond focusing solely on the name and examine the attributes of the Allah of Islam and the God (also called Allah in some languages) of the Bible. This is the focus of this article I wrote a couple years ago, and recently updated for the current dispute.
http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/115-christians-and-muslims-do-they-worship-the-same-god
Thanks Joe, that just about sums up what I would say i response to Paul. I think he has been a little presumptuous about what I’ve said, too.
Paul, I think that, if you are in missions in Malaysia, you may have the wrong approach to their understanding of faith in Christ and it will prejudice your witness if you condemn them for the use of their word for ‘God’. The important issue is their relationship with Christ.
You say you ‘guess they don’t use the name of Jesus Christ these churches’, but you don’t seem to know, yet you claim 10 years experience in missions amongst these people. What were you teaching, then? What did you find out about them? How dod you go about sharing the truth if your assumptions are correct?
Those in Indonesia, as I have said, who use ‘Allah’ for ‘God’ definitely use the name of Jesus Christ, and understand that there is no other name under heaven by which they can be saved. There are some major churches and denominations in these nations who are without question preaching the gospel. It just so happens that, in their national language, the word for ‘God’ is ‘Allah’.
That is the question I am posing for everyone here. How do you deal with this in the context of your criticisms?
How do you, in your missions thrust, deal with the issue of the local language and the people’s understand of their word for God?
Incidentally, the word ‘Tuhan’ is used as often in their teaching and hymnology.
Incidentally, the English word ‘God’ comes from the pre-Christian pagan Germanic ‘Gott’, so are you now going to condemn us English speakers for using a teutonic term to translate ‘El’, or ‘Elohim’? ‘El’ and ‘Elohim’ are Chaldean terms for the deity, which predate Hebrew. ‘Theos’, used to describe God in the New Testament, is a pre-Christian pagan Greek term for ‘God’.
Semantics, eh!
Just a question…isn’t ‘Allah’ an Arabic word? If so what place does it have as the language of Asia’s equivalent to ‘God’ ? Isn’t there a Malay / Indonesian equivalent?
There is firm evidence that ‘Allah’ was in use by Arabic Christians before Islam was even begun. Arabic Christans still use ‘Allah”.
It’s a shorted form of ‘al ilah’.
The Dutch translated ‘God’ as ‘Allah’ in Malay translations around about the same time the King James Bible was being translated in the 16th Century.
Chrislam – the blending of Christianity and Islam is heresy. Islam follows a false god, a false prophet – a pedophile prophet. They follow the Koran and do not believe that Jesus Christ is LORD and Savior, died on the cross for their sins – and that He was resurrected from the dead. This is the spirit of the antichrist.
Rick Warren, Brian Houston and others in the emergent movement spreading th life of Chrislam are woefully deceived. No, friends, the God of the Bible is clearly not the god of Islam.
Sharia law, the ideology behind Islam is oppressive and evil. They bring death – and no surprise – they abide in the teachings of the prince of darkness – satan.
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life – and no one goes to the Father apart from Him.
I did a blog about such deception here: http://abundantlifeliving.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/the-spread-and-lie-of-the-emergent-chrislam-religion/
Well said…abundant life. The moon god allah and the only true God (Jesus Christ) are diametrically opposite. One is the Truth and the other a lie.
Yes, Howard. Praise God that we can find truth and discernment in the Word of God! We are free in Christ! We must be discerning of false teachers as they are increasing as the devil knows he will be squashed under the foot of God Himself.
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Christians worship the One True God, and definitely do not worship the god of Islam. Friends, I find the following proclamation by Brian Houston very disturbing – but it is a sign of the times. Chrislam is a false religion – the blending of Christianity and Islam.
I did a blog post about it before – and it is worth posting again here.
http://abundantlifeliving.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/the-spread-and-lie-of-the-emergent-chrislam-religion/
Those in the emergent movement pushing for such heresy are headed on the path of destruction – and sadly bringing many with them. We’ve been warned in scripture: “My people perish for lack of knowledge” and that many false prophets have gone out into the world – preaching destructive heresies and even denying God. We are seeing this happen, friends, more and more – because Jesus is coming again soon. We’ve been warned that there will be a great falling away, even amongst God’s elect, before Jesus returns for His Bride.
Let us be students of the Word of God and grow in discernment and wisdom. If we draw near to Jesus, we will grow in truth and grace. They go hand in hand. Be sober. Be alert. The devil seeks to devour and get as many souls to hell before the return of Jesus. Chrislam is one way he’s doing this.
I trust in His Word that says “He who seeks Me (Jesus) will find Me if they seek Me with their whole heart.” This goes for all nations – all people. God is revealing Himself around the world, amongst Muslims – and many are now following Jesus Christ of Nazareth as their LORD and Savior.
God, give us hearts to seek your truth in Jesus’ Name. Amen.
Christians worship the God of Israel. Ask a Moslem if he does too.
The answer could only be ‘NO’, Moslems hate Jews! Iran wants to drive the Israelites into the sea and, they’re building a nuclear bomb.
The above article may well be the most idiotic piece of bigoted tripe ever to find its way to the Internet. In the days before it became fashionable to stir up hatred, the three great monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) were collectively known as “The People of the Book.” Both Christianity and Islam descended from Judaism. Allah is simply the Arab word for God–and Christian Arabs use “Allah” to describe God just as the followers of Islam do.
It is ironic and sad that so many people who claim to be Christiakns are using exactly the same tactics to demonize Islam as Hitler used to demonize the Jews and for the same reason: The state needs a new focus for its collective hatred and these dupes have bought it hook, line and sinker. Anyone who believes the authors’ claims deserves our prayers and our pity.
Listen to Alistair Begg and look into James White’s research on these issues. White has dedicated his life to these issues.
You are wrong. Your statements show your ignorance of Islam. If you want to know the truth and why I have been this direct with you, here is a link where you can learn from an Iraqi gentleman (Arabic speaker of course) who grew up with Islam, had the op to study in Europe and decided to read a Bible, realized that Islam was a lie, and has now spent over 30 years studying the Quran, Hadiths, OT, NT, Arab histories and other Scriptures: http://www.al-rassooli.com/blog/ . His mission is to reach the West with the truth that Islam is a cult belief system–not a religion–that it plagiarized from both the Jews and the Christians, that the non-compulsion Mecca verses were abrogated/replaced by the fighting/killing Medina verses after the Jews would not accept Islam, and that Mohammed was a liar, murderer, pedophile. Does this sound like Judaism or Christianity to you? And, of course since Muslims consider Mohammed the perfect man, then they emulate him today around the world. For another source, this time a former terrorist/so-called Palestinian who also read the Bible and became a Christian, go read Walid Shoebat’s writings/books, as well as interesting end-time prophecy, at http://www.shoebat.com. Every nation in last days prophecies are Islamic nations today. If you will not get offended at what I said, but rather, be wise enough to go investigate these things, you will understand. I pray that you will.
Frank, you said “Allah is simply the Arab word for God–and Christian Arabs use “Allah” to describe God just as the followers of Islam do.” This is true. But simply because Muslims call their God Allah, and Arab Christians also worship a God called Allah, does that make it the same God simply because both have a common name? To use an analogy, my wife is named Christine. If I met another woman who has the same name, am I to assume she is my wife also simply because of the common name? I hope you see the problem with your argument. Look beyond the name or label and examine the attributes of both, and you will recognize they are two entirely different entities, despite the common name.
Here is an article I wrote that addresses this issue: http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/115-christians-and-muslims-do-they-worship-the-same-god
The name of the Jewish God is Yahweh, anglicised, it is Jehovah. The word, ‘God’ is an ‘object of worship’.
Frank…you are believing the political correct version that Islam is feeding the West. It has nothing to do with the truth. In Islam they are allowed to lie if it benefits their religion. And they are doing so and convincing many, including you.
You need to read the many books by converts FROM Islam who know the whole story.
The Muslims believe that their religion superseded Judaism and Christianity. That it came before both religions. That Abraham was a Muslim as was Jesus and that Jesus when saying that the Holy Spirit would come, was actually pointing out Muhammad’s coming.
They have literally stolen our heritage and renamed it Islam.
They do not believe in the veracity of ‘the book’, believing both the Jewish and Christian books to be corrupt.
All good intention verses applied to the people of the book – both Jews and Christians were abrogated, ie outdated by later issues from Muhammad, which declared Jihad against us. That is why they war against Israel on a constant basis – Muhammad told them to do so and they must obey.
Of the three – Islam is the lie, the counterfeit. It does not come from Judaism, but has stolen and perverted Jewish history, even to saying it was Ishmael who was to be sacrificed not Isaac.
If you do not sort this out now, in the end times when the Isa of Islam returns you will believe him to be Jesus. He will not be and you will be mislead.Take heed that you diligently study the scriptures. They have an end times doctrine that should make us all stand up and take notice and understand the warning in the bible to be very very careful about knowing who the real Jesus is.
Read your Bible,those who deny that Jesus is the Son Of God are anti-christ.The god they worship is the god of this world.
As usual over zealous Christians jump at the opportunity to defend Christianity. And as usual most – and not all – the posters here are uninformed on this topic.
My view is both faiths demand from us tolerance. Tolerance for someone’s faith, views. Islam – if you follow the core principals – encourages it’s followers to read, question. Muslims are actively encourage to understand the world & the grow their knowledge. Does Christianity to the same?
Read more about the core believes of Islam, it’s origins and what the faith really stands for. Much like in Christainity the faith is tarnished by crazies that latch onto a thought/ideal and then start practicing & preaching this as absolute gospel. I remind you of how American & British slavers “preached” that their way of life is God’s way? Really…? And white South Africans convinced themselves that they are defending themselves & their religions by introducing Apartheid.
I guess he who holds the whip is backed by God? Or maybe he who hold the public opinion?
But is simple:
Both faiths serve a single God. The only entity worthy of worship. Does it matter what we call him? Do you know that the Arabic word Allah means? And here is the kicker: Google to see what Aramic Christians and Christain that speak Arabic call their Christian God?
Focus rather on your own relationship with the Allmighty and stop watching some much CNN. Have your own mind, strive to have a balanced view – taking in both arguments & views. Now comment and practice your faith with full understanding and possibly deeper devotion
Anon, much of what you wrote is so ill informed. Tolerance? Are you aware of what occurs in majority Islamic nations, and the lack of tolerance toward anyone other than Muslim, and particularly directed at Christians? Surely you cannot be serious!
Yes, the word for God in Arabic is Allah. Arabic speaking Christians also call their God Allah. But so what? Simply because both share a common name does not make them the same person, anymore than a woman who might have the same name as my wife automatically becomes my wife because of the common name.
http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/115-christians-and-muslims-do-they-worship-the-same-god
You suggest we read more about the core beliefs of Islam. I have, and have been doing so for 15 years at the academic level. And you? Have you read the earliest biography of Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq? Have you read the Quran cover to cover? Have you studied the hadith, the collected traditions of Muhammad? Have you become informed of Islam’s history? What about shari’a – do you believe it is all about religious obligations only?
I agree with you that some comments here are based on lack of knowledge from the ill informed. Not me, and I could not disagree with you more.
Anon, Islam does not preach tolerance. The Qu’ran has no tolerance.
The choice for someone conquered by Islam is
1) become a Muslim
2) Become a Dimmi (lowest caste with no rights and must pay heavy taxes
3) Be killed.
In their end times doctrines it says quite categorically, that their Isa will deny people No 2 and only 1 & 2 will be available to us. The punishment in Islam for Infidels, is that our heads be struck from our bodies. That is why they saw the heads of their captives in such a barbaric fashion – because the Qu’ran demands it.
Despite the barbarous history of Christianity – nowhere in the New Testament, does Jesus preach death to anyone not believing in Him.
You must go back to what:
1) Jesus says
2) Muhammad says
Because we Christians should be doing what Jesus says to do and emulating Him &
Muslims must do what Muhammad says and emulate him. Compare the two and tell me which one is tolerant and which one killed and slaughtered millions? Which one remained Holy and was without sin and which one married a six year old girl and consummated the marriage at 9, which now allows Muslims to bring in the law in Iraq at the moment that girls can now be married at 9.
Anything Muhammad did is okay for all other Muslims. The only one he had exclusively for himself was the right to have as many wives and concubines as he liked. I think (but can be corrected) that he had 13 after his first wife Kadisha, died.
You say we worship the same God – then how come we worship a Triune God – the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but the Muslims worship the God who is alone, as the Qu’ran says, with no other beside himself. How can the SAME God send two entirely different messages to his people? How can he contradict himself?
You must study the scriptures before you fall for the lies of the enemy and are duped into believing the lie that we are all one. The lie the West is falling for.
Anon
I am listening to the debate on video at the bottom of this page presented by SoundDoctrine.
You said that Islam:
– encourages it’s followers to read, question. Muslims are actively encourage to understand the world & the grow their knowledge. Does Christianity to the same?
In it the Christian apologist in his talk, discusses this. Sura 5 1-102 Which says that if you ask questions the answers may cause you to lose your faith.
Muhammed (Al Bakhari) said: Allah has hated you for asking too many questions!
Someone had asked him questions and it says (Islamic sources) that Muhammad got so angry, very red in the face etc.
In Islam, you do not question. This has been stated again and again by ex-Muslims.
I am absolutely disgusted with Brian Huston. He can’t be that stupid. I have been told he has become a wealthy man thru’ Hillsong. Who pays him? Christ or satan?
Its about time he learnt to earn riches in Heaven and get rid of his wealth on this earth which is satan’s domain.
So basically NO Christian could possibly be rich on this earth because it is the devils domain. Pffft. God will use the rich to further his Kingdom, everything costs money…
This is the problem with Christians not knowing and using their God’s name. In our society, with all of the different cultures and religions it is important to know the name of our God.
Jer 16:21 …and they shall know that my name [is] The LORD
God wants you to know his name. It is not The LORD. What Isaiah 42:8 really says is “I am YHVH : that is my name.”
YHVH is the Hebrew word that is translated as “LORD” (all caps). Found more often in the Old Testament than any other name for God (approximately 7,000 times), this name is also referred to as the “Tetragrammaton,” meaning “The Four Letters”. In Hebrew the four letters are pronounced Yud, Hey, Vav, Hey. YHVH comes from the Hebrew verb “to be” and is the unique name that God revealed to Moses at the burning bush. “And God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM; and He said, thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you… this is My eternal name, and this is how I am to be recalled for all generations'” (Exodus 3:14-15).
LORD means nothing, has no meaning. Moses was the first person to know God by this name.
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, (El Shaddai), but by my name JEHOVAH, (Yahweh), was I not known to them.
The Jewish sages note that the four letters of the Name are used to form the phrase hayah hoveh yi’yeh, “He was, He is, He will be.”
Therefore, the name YHVH declares God’s absolute being, the source of everything, without beginning and without end. The title, LORD, falls drastically short of this. Although scholars really don’t agree on the proper pronunciation. Yahweh is accepted as the best pronunciation we have.
You may have been using it in short form already and did not even know it. The Hebrew word “hallelujah” is translated Praise be to Yah.
Hallel is the Hebrew word for praise and jah is the short form of Yahweh. There is no J in the Hebrew alphabet. It is pronouned Y. Therefore when you say hallelujah you are speaking Hebrew and you are saying Praise be to Yah.
http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/115-christians-and-muslims-do-they-worship-the-same-god
paul said. if an angel bring an other GOSPEL let it be accursed
brian?if you brake one of the commandments your prayer is an abbomination excuse spellingsi fully believe that you and yours are deceived and you may not know it if you are honest in your deception you have a chance ….do not forget that the Chatolic church who killed your relatives in the past is responcible in introdusing Sunday worship… i challeng youto make this public in your church
“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle, than for a rich man to enter Heaven”. Just saying.
In Matthew 24 Jesus tells about the false teachers and false christ’s that will come in His name – we are not to be deceived we are to be on the watch and be prepared for when He returns. The more I hear of this movement the more I see the Words of Jesus coming true.
It’s a very dangerous place to be in when you criticize men appointed by God, when you twist words and refer to them as chameleons. it’s very dangerous to come into the hands of the living God!! where’s the love?? Question, how many people have you led to the Lord today, instead of wasting your time researching the ‘wrongs’ of other people. Get a life!
The Love is in not letting Christians be deceived by Islam which practices Taqiyyah–have you heard of that term? Did you know that it is one of the main ways they infiltrate the West? It means that anything is okay for a Muslim to do or say–even if the Quran forbids it–if the Muslim is doing it to promote Islam/to deceive the infidel/non-Muslim. It is what wolves in sheep’s clothing do to sheep. And they are doing it around the globe at an alarming rate. They are literally cut-throats. It is NOT love to know this and to NOT warn others of it. The ‘angel’ who called himself Gabriel who gave many of the words of the Quran to Mohammed was none other than the Liar/Murderer/God’s arch enemy Satan himself. Do you think that those of us who know this should just keep our mouths shut? No one is twisting anyone’s words. We are simply issuing a warning NOT to fall for the lie that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. They do not. And believing that can literally get people killed in the short term and eternally lost in the long term. Again, please check out the persecution as well as teaching at http://www.raymondibrahim.com and also the facts about Islam in short audio clips at http://www.al-rassooli.com/blog/.
The Bible says clearly, “I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”. It never says that (the) God (of the Bible) is the God of Ishmael or for that matter Esau. That should settle it. The Bible, not man, is the authority Christians follow. Also, the phrase does not need some intellectual or theological interpretation. The Bible goes on to mention the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were in a covenant relationship with God. It never mentions God having any covenant with Ishmael, other than he would make a nation from Ishmael.
In literal sense it seems the same & true. The word Allah is an Arabic translation of God – for there is one God. But in spiritual sense, truth, and biblical . . . it is not the same. If the Muslim and Christian have the same God, therefore the Muslim will acknowledge Christ as God. How can a Muslim know God if they don’t recognize His Word which is the Son of God.
John 14:6 Jesus said, I am the way; the truth; and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me. He who has the Son has life but He who has not is death. He who against me is not with me. There’s no name under heaven that can save us – only in the name of Jesus. As long as the Muslim don’t accept Christ as there personal Lord and Savior, they will perish. The Good News is . . . many Muslim has been converted into Christ. The Bad News is many Christians has been converted into Muslim. All scriptures are inspired by God and right to be doctrines, reproof, & corrections. He who accept corrections is wise.
It is insane and blasphemous claiming muslims and Christians serve the same God, because al-ilah (aka allah) is nothing but a pagan moon idol. Islam denies Yeshua´s (Jesus´) devine personality and His sacrifice on the cross.
God, our loving creator is a completely different entity than this satanic cruel and blood thirsty DEMON allah!
Islam, the religion of peace?! Yes, peace of the grave yard. Islam is a sick crap growing like a cancer. We should pray for all muslims because they are deceived by satan.
I think mohammedism adopted the crescent moon as a symbol of the impending doom and apocolypse awaiting unbelievers. The mohammedan bible says (54:1) “The hour of doom is drawing near, and the moon is cleft in two. Yet when they see a sign the unbelievers turn their backs”. Also (74:4) “But when the sight of mortals is confounded and the moon eclipsed, when sun and moon are brought together – man shall ask wither shall I flee.”
This cheerful message is on their temples as a warning – which simply means – all unbelievers are doomed.
A star is also sometimes used, and the mohammedan bible says that god is “He who is the Lord of Sirius” (53:49). Meaning that he is the god of the brightest star.
I’m sorry but all this stuff about moon god is under-informed – like so many things on the internet.
As for the question is the mohammedan god the christian God – the nit-beard bible give a clear answer – NO. In fact Christian beliefs are blasphemy.
I wanted to address the issue directly myself and agree that the statement was indeed clumsy in the moment and did not clearly communicate my intention. I was simply making the point that Christians and Muslims both believe that the God of Abraham is their God. I apologise for any confusion and obviously my allegiance is to the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
Thank you Brian. I have had many conversations with Muslims in this regard, and it is true they believe they also worship the God of Abraham. But clearly they do not, because Allah (Arabic for God) as described in the Quran is not YHWH of the Bible. Thank you for the clarification.
That is great that you acknowledge that your statement is clumsy. Will you now publicly state in front of your congregation/ audience what you said created serious confusion and then clarify what Christianity and Islam believe about God? e.g. Jesus God incarnate versus mere prophet. Too bad if some people might criticize you for “intolerance” or “sounding judgmental/ unloving”. You are supposed to please God first.
Most people unfortunately do not have the time or the inclination to compare what religious speakers say with the bible. With power comes responsibility. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=james+3%3A1&version=NKJV , http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12%3A48&version=NKJV
Thank you Brian for commenting, however, you did not clear up the issue:
Do you believe the Muslim god, Allah, is the same as the Christian God?
Yes or no, and why?
The fact that you did not refute -they serve the same god- comment speaks loudly.
I’m with Thinker: “With power comes responsibility”. As you can see, the comments here and on your twitter wall show a lot of confusion.
Yes, Please clarify to your congregation Brian, as this clip is going all over the place!
Dear Mr Houston,
Is this what you said:
Do you know – take it all the way back into the Old Testament and the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God. Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God.
I am just a lay person, and I would never, never say that we actually serve the same God, because it is not true. How can you say that it was simply ‘clumsy’, unintentional confusion?
Please reply publicly, (and reveal the truth respective to your comment – and yes it won’t go down well with Islam) especially to your church, and the body of Christ, for you have that responsibility as a pastor and a leader before God.
The God of Christianity is a Triune God – Father, Son & Holy Spirit. From Eternity.
Allah of Islam stands alone. One being.
The ARABS are descended from Ishmael. Islam is not.
Islam was birthed with Mohammad’s first revelation in 610 AD. A compilation of the religions of the day. With NO history of its own despite what is said.
Islam would have us believe otherwise, but either Christianity is false or Islam is. Neither supports the other. We cannot compromise or our faith is dead.
Truth, I do not want to put words in Brian’s mouth, but this is how I understand his explanation. He said Muslims “believe” they worship the same God as Christians, because they “believe” they worship the God of Abraham. Although what they “believe” is in error, this IS actually what Muslims believe. And saying so is not engaging in heresy, or practicing Chrislam. It is simply stating the truth of what Muslims “believe.” It does not mean we believe it, or that Brian believes it.
Likewise for the fact Muslims “believe” they are descendants of Ishmael. This is, in fact, what they believe, again. Muslims are taught that Abraham and Ishmael established the Kaba’a in Mecca, rebuilding after it was first destroyed in the flood. Since the Kaba’a represents the focal point of Allah’s presence on earth, and since Muslims “believe” Ishmael helped establish the Kaba’a, they associate Ishmael with the establishment of Islam. You are correct; Islam has its origins in the 7th century, beginning with Muhammad’s first revelation. But devout Muslims “believe” Islam has always existed; Muhammad simply revitalized it. Muslims believe both Abraham and Ishmael were Muslims. In fact, they believe Adam was the first Muslim, created by Allah.
Don’t confuse what Muslims “believe” with fact. And refrain from denigrating others for simply pointing out what Muslims believe. I don’t think there was any suggestion Brian shares with Muslims their beliefs.
Yes I agree with you Joe – Muslims do believe they worship the God of Abraham and are descended from Abraham who was Muslim. This is what they are taught. And what they teach the West about their religion, and we have fallen for it and encourage them as brothers in the faith in the same God.
Brian didn’t however say that Muslims believe they worship the same God. Or am I mistaken. If I am, I apologise. I have quoted him above. It is pretty clear to me, unless I really have only half the story – which is possible – I accept that.
This argument is not about what Muslims believe. We all know what they believe and on this forum are stating that. There is no heresy in stating what others believe to be true – you are correct.
The Heresy is with Chrislam. What this forum is aiming for is an outright denial of or agreement to Chrislam beliefs by Pastor Houston so we know where he stands. I totally understand and accept that Pastor Houston does not believe in the doctrines of Islam, neither am I suggesting it.
Chrislam is not about believing in the doctrines of Islam after all.
It is not too much to ask in this day of confusion of doctrines and confusion of church direction.
See below:
A number of Christian leaders today are attempting to bridge the gap between Muslims and Christians. While perhaps well intentioned, the foundation of this new mantra, often called Chrislam is that “we all worship the same God”.
Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2014/March20/201.html#63txyqKZACdF76qD.99
He goes on to talk about Brian Houston’s part. See the article for full details. It is very enlightening.
ps. I have enjoyed reading your posts BTW
Hi Joe,
This is what Ps Houston said:
“…we ACTUALLY serve the same God. Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God.”
Actually means: “used for emphasizing what is really true or what really happened”
So what he said was in fact: We really do serve the same God. He is Allah to the Muslim and Abba Father to us.
Using his apology, you interpreted him to mean:
He said Muslims “believe” they worship the same God as Christians, because they “believe” they worship the God of Abraham. Although what they “believe” is in error, this IS actually what Muslims believe.
Nowhere does Ps Houston say that he believes that they are in error. They are your words alone, not his – and yes you did put words in his mouth joe.
I quote from another area on this site about Ps Houston saying:
“Yes it is what came out but No it’s not what I meant Meant that Islam descends from one of Abraham’s sons.. Ishmael.”
As I said above, the Arabs descended from Ishmael, but Islam did not. They make the claim but cannot back it up. Same as some cults make claims about coming from the one true church, but cannot back it up.
Joe you said to me:
And refrain from denigrating others for simply pointing out what Muslims believe. I don’t think there was any suggestion Brian shares with Muslims their beliefs.
I apologise if I have denigrated anyone – that is not my intention.
I am not here taking my time to write because someone has simply pointed out what Muslims believe…I have countless books on my shelves pointing that out, including 3 Qu’rans.
He has said what he said into the public arena, and he needs to qualify it. Many are saying that he has a Chrislam affiliation. We want to know if it is true. Not a hard ask and not denigration either I think.
Any muslim who does not worship Jesus as God is not worshiping the same God at all.
Disappointed with Chris Rosebrough. He rightly covered this and called out Brian Houston for saying it. But he failed to mention Houston’s subsequent explanatory posts on Twitter, nor Houston’s apologetic comment here. Some 12 hours before he did his radio program I emailed Rosebrough pointing him towards Brian Houston’s comment here – but he totally ignored it.
We notified him very early on. He may have done the recording earlier on before the twitter post. Nevertheless, the twitter post was very vague.
We are hoping to cover these issues soon as this has been very messy for both Brian Houston and ourselves. We hope to represent Houston fairly in all this and also highlight our concerns that are not being addresses.
New Taste,
Brian Houston’s clarification here and on Twitter will be discussed on Monday’s episode of Fighting for the Faith… And here are the problem’s with it.
1) Because of the seriousness of Houston’s gaff (since that’s how he’s treating it) is so great that what is absolutely necessary for him to do is to issue a public statement, preferably both in writing and from his pulpit. It is not sufficient for him to have left a comment on a blog post or make a brief statement on twitter.
2) The brief clarification that Houston has given only adds more confusion to an already convoluted statement. This is due to the fact that Islam DID NOT originate from the descendants of Ishmael. Islam didn’t even show up in human history until 2,700 years AFTER Ishmael was born.
3) To clarify his statement by saying that Islam claims to worship the same God as Abraham is, again, a statement that causes even more confusion. Mormon’s claim to worship the same God as Abraham and so do Jehovah’s witnesses. Yet, the gods that the worship have nothing in common with the YHWH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
In order to properly repair the breach that Houston has created by his statement he MUST PUBLICLY, in a high profile way, repudiate his own statement and must make it clear that Islam does NOT worship or serve the same God as Christians OR Abraham. He must make it clear that Allah is an idol and an false god and that salvation cannot be found in Islam but only in repentant faith in Jesus Christ alone.
Until Houston does that, it is my opinion that he’s only attempting to engage in political damage control.
Probably not going to happen, houston would have to admit that not everything coming from his lips/books/cd’s etc is Biblical or Bible Based. These ‘teachers’ would have to let their people know that they have made room for egotistical ‘vain imaginings’ and ‘man-made additions’ in teaching the Word of God.They are absolutely unafraid of the warning and curse in Revelation for “adding to these Words” and have NO fear of God.
HE will NOT be mocked.
On a personal note, I can’t believe his lack of knowledge concerning historical Christianity and the 600 years later ‘point of the sword’ conversions of Islam..EMBARASSING ! I still want him to go to the mosque and back it up.
Well, with respect, Chris, that is just your opinion, as you say. Opinions do not translate to fact, necessarily. Neither do you set the standards, despite your popularity. Just about every statement Brian Houston makes these days in a public setting is, er, public! His tweet, basic though it is, is public.
He has apologised for his ‘gaff’, as you call it, and ensured he takes full responsibility for it.
I think Brian Houston has probably done enough to state that he was clumsy in his very brief remarks, and that he is fully engaged in promoting Jesus Christ, which is what counts in the great scheme of things.
Of course, we can argue over the semantics and the theology of what he hinted at, and that is the prerogative of every believer, but to headline his ‘gaff’ and now declare that, unless he fulfils a set of Rosebrough rules he remains a target for critics is bordering on persecution, frankly.
Are we now all subject to Rosebrough rules? Should I ask you permission for anything I might preach? Should we forward our notes before we minister in future for your scrutiny to save us the trouble of being hounded for some ‘gaff’ later?
I think your ‘Christian fascism’ charges for certain ministries are a major gaff. Should we write out a set of conditions for you to follow before you can be treated with any credibility in your current line of enquiry on any given ministry you criticise, or are you entitled, as a prominent apologist for Lutheranism, to continue with your ‘opinion’ despite the weakness of your ‘Christian fascism’ claims?
I think Brian made a theological error in what he said, but we should give him time to set it right rather than say that we’ll continue with this line of attack unless he makes a major statement of whatever Rosebrough rules state as if they count for anything. He has been moved to apologise. This is good. Let him have time to revise his position and restate his theology.
Further, the context of the passage in question was clearly that everything we read in the Bible, including the Old Testament scriptures, should be filtered through the New Testament, and this is the crux of the matter.
What do you say about this. Is Brian correct to point us to the New Testament as our filter for all Scripture and truth, or are you opposed to this line of thought?
Gordy,
Houston is still not clear on this issue. He does seem to be operating under damage control. His corrections are far from clear. Please check out James White and hear his qualified views on the Islamic faith in contrast to the Christian faith.
Houston has bought serious damage to the Christian faith in regard to this statement. This is a serious public issue and offense where the ramifications are huge if he does not address this on a wider scale. His comments have already surfaced on Christian TV programs where he has been publicly rebuked by pastors and ministers. They are rightly opposing him on this error unless he makes himself as clear as possible on this issue. They understand the danger of this teaching if it is not opposed or corrected as soon as possible.
We hope you understand.
Hasn’t it gone on enough? A preacher from Down-Under makes an uninformed comment about Islam? Is this something new? Teen Challenge Training Center, David Wilkerson’s drug and alcohol rehabilitation center in Rehrersburg, Pennsylvania, teaches the same, teaches that Jesus, being God, and Allah are one in the same. Chuck Colson, before he died, expressed sentiments much like Houston. Until the Body of Christ is able to clearly decide on this issue, the confusion will continue. I say cut this muddled kangaroo fellow a little slack
Strengthen the wobbly knees, and no TAKE UP the slack, and get some zeal ..
get some acts 17:11 in your spirit…
So now an apology and a reversal is ‘damage’ control’. I think, again, this is an attack of semantics.
If I say sorry to you for saying something the wrong way round, will you accept my apology and explanation, or say that I am just applying ‘damage control’, which gives you, then, the free pass to continue to slam me for the original error, which I conceded?
And it is clearly being built out of proportion. It is an issue now, yes, but mainly because a number of people have taken advantage of a ‘clumsy’ explanation on why we shouldn’t view our present world through Old Testament glasses.
There is a debate to be had, as some have said, about whether Muslims consider Allah to be the same God or not. I personally would disagree with this, but, as has been pointed out, there are other schools of thought, and some from within the same global denomination as Brian Houston, who have stated at some time or other that we identify the same God but from a different perspective.
So let’s have the debate of you like, but there seems to be wholesale condemnation of Brian Houston for saying something many Christians would disagree with, whilst others would find acceptable. I think he may even go away and research it and come back with a revised opinion, and perhaps make a statement, although I would say that he is probably more likely to continue to preach that the only way to the Father is through faith in Jesus Christ, and continue to his work as a co-worker with Christ in building the Body of Christ.
Why alienate Muslims from converting to faith in Jesus Christ through the preached gospel for the sake of proving to Chris Rosebrough that he really does think Allah is a false god? Waste of time. Get on with the gospel. Leave the critics to their criticism. What do we have to prove to Mr Rosebrough? In the end, nothing, really. Our repentance, when we repent, is to God not Chris Rosebrough.
Brian has apologised, and corrected himself publicly. Whether we find it acceptable or not is another discussion, true, but why are we spending so much time condemning Muslims and Asian Christians for using the word ‘Allah’? Surely they need the gospel not theological raps over the knuckles. It’s the name of Jesus that saves, not Allah. We have testimonies that Muslims and Buddhists are being saved by the hundred in some of these nations through visions and dreams of Jesus.
Te only damage that need sot be controlled is the argument Christians are having with themselves over the correct name of God. Meanwhile he has exalted his Word even above his Name.
Arguing over names of God is a waste of energy. Preaching the gospel of Christ actually works.
Wise as serpents, gentle as doves.
Does Rosebrough think Muslims are more likely to convert because we preach the good news of Jesus Christ, or condemn them for following Allah?
Horse. Cart.
Gordy: truth should still be [every] Church’s top priority. Look at how much was written regarding false teachings/ teachers in the New Testament.
Did Jesus/ apostles make his message easy to accept (in order to keep the crowd happy)? Is Hillsong following Jesus’ example when it makes its message/s more appealing to non-Christians?
Answer: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6&version=NKJV
Did Jesus say it was easy to enter the path of faith? Isn’t Hillsong trying to widen that path by removing all controversial components of the Gospel? e.g. explaining why IN DETAIL the need for Jesus’ death on the cross (sinful mankind), not a glib mention in the footnotes.
Answer: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+7%3A13-14&version=NKJV
Does Christianity and Islam agree on the Trinity in ANY aspect at all? Does Hillsong ever explain the extreme importance of this doctrine (and therefore its opponents CANNOT possibly worship the same God)? e.g. Islam’s perspective on Jesus’ deity? Note especially verse 12.
Answer: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+john+5%3A6-13&version=NKJV
Did Jesus /apostles say there were alternative paths to God or that doctrinal differences were of no importance? Is Hillsong’s extreme ecumenicism pleasing to God?
Answer: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+10%3A1-5&version=NKJV, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=galatians+1%3A8-9&version=NKJV
Note: that last passage has been a prophecy for several religions. e.g. Islam. http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/history/prophet.htm
There are some good points in all of the comments here. Those for and against.
If the end times are truly upon us, (something many believe – tho not all) then there will be a great apostasy, a one world gov’t and one world religion. This is what Revelation declares to us. What form that takes is an interesting conjecture. It has to be one that everyone will adhere to either by coersion or desire, regardless of the many books out there that create something new and sometimes silly.
For Muslims to adhere to it, as well as Christians (depending on Rapture theories) and Jews and Hindus etc etc without world wide rebellion, then it must therefore and logically be an offshoot of one of the main religions, that is inclusive of all, for a time at least.
It can’t be Solely Catholic Church based, because the Muslims would retaliate whole heartedly and declare Jihad.
The only real options out there are:
1) Chrislam
2) Islam
In every Western country right now are laws that do not allow us to say anything condemnatory nor discriminate about another’s religion (especially Islam). Is this a taste of what is to come?
Muslims, just by birth alone, will overtake the population of Britain by 2050. (prophecy news watch) And as more and more immigration of Islam to the West takes place, as well as conversions, this number will accelerate.
What am I trying to say?
There is an agenda happening in the world today.
We have to be awake to see it happening right before our eyes.
If we aren’t, we will fall into the one world church which is where Chrislam and the Emergent Church today are heading.
Christianity is exclusive. There must be no compromise for the sake of conversions.
If we have to compromise to spread the gospel, then we are already defeated.
The Western Church is bending over backwards to be concilliatory to Islam, including putting the Qu’ran alongside bibles on pews, going to Friday prayers with the Muslims, having Muslim guest speakers, sharing our buildings, but I do not see that the reverse is true in Islamic Countries.
We will wake up and find that Islam has snuck past us in the night while we were sleeping, and Chrislam will stand up and applaud in the name of brotherhood and political correctness. But Islam will turn on it in the end and reveal its true face.
Jesus told us not to sleep…to be alert…and not to be fooled. That the Antichrist will come and fool even the elect if that were possible.
This argument is more than did Brian Houston really say this or that…
This whole argument is about where the Church is heading. Where are our leaders taking us?
Into apostasy? Or into persecution for its stand for truth.
Brian Houston, I expect as a senior pastor – his message on the Internet and being so well known, as well as having known detractors – would know better than to make a ‘gaff’ of this nature if he didn’t believe what he said. A mistaken reference?
No offense intended, but I find that hard to believe.
He either believed it when he said it and is leaning toward Chrislam. Or the man simply didn’t believe there would be such a backlash to his statement. It he truly didn’t believe it, he would have been up on the pulpit the following Sunday and state the truth as we are declaring it here. That he only apologised is only half of the equation.
Replying to Truth Please: EXACTLY. Well-explained.
The purity of the Bible/the Gospel must be maintained/stood for, or it is another Gospel. Everything in our world is working together right now toward a one-world religion ‘meld’–passivity, political correctness, cowardice, Emergent church, Chrislam, easy-believism, “don’t judge” anything or anyone etc. etc. It’s the lukewarm ‘church’ Christ was speaking about that He would spew out of His mouth. I am speaking of the sum total here, not just Brian Houston/Hillsong–but a church that size and popular certainly has an even greater risk of compromise.
I challenge all reading this to subscribe to 3 newsletters at least for a month: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org; http://www.raymondibrahim.com; and http://www.counterjihadreport.com. Between these, it won’t take long to see why many of the commenters here are concerned.
Thank you Christine. One thing this site has done for me, is to make me aware that there are Christians with their eyes open. Who are not asleep. It is very encouraging.
I encourage everyone to read Christines articles above. They are truly very interesting.
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The God of the Bible never contradicts himself,
HE is never in conflict with himself.
His chosen people are the jews, they are the apple of His eye.
Because of this obvious fact, that the Lord God Almighty never is in conflict with himself, it means that the God of the Muslims will have the same special chosen people, and the same apple of his eye as the Lord God almighty of the Bibel, otherwise the Muslims and the Christians dont follow the same God. God’s character never change.
The God of the Bible never contradicts himself;
He is never in conflict with himself.
His chosen people are the jews, they are the apple of His eye.
Because of this obvious fact, that the Lord God Almighty has never been in conflict with himself, it means that the God of the Muslims will have the same special chosen
people, the same apple of his eye as the Lord God almighty of the Bible,
otherwise the Muslims and the Christians don´t follow the same God.
Gods character never changes.
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Go back to the Word of God…..
Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.” When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
Genesis 17:19-22 (NIV)
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Romans 10:9-10 (NIV)
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
John 14:6 (NIV)
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
1John 4:8 (NIV)
This will clear it all up. A must watch!
Islam is the servant of Satan who’s aim is to destroy Christianity!
Praise God for Jesus! The God Christians serve is the God who Blessed both Isaac and Ishmael however the promise is through Isaac the linage that Jesus Christ, Gods only begotten Son came through.
Put it this way its like two sons coming from the same father, both brought up with the same beliefs then a short time after went separate paths to do life, Ishmael his way not too sure what happened after Abraham died and Isaac his way who was raised by Abraham and Sarah which the Bible shows and leads us to the Lord our Saviour Jesus Christ who makes himself available to all humanity.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 9:9;10 (NKJV)
Hillsong is part of the Body of Christ, the Church, part of the House with many rooms. Hillsong preaches about God who is Love and this is Jesus, the Word who came to this earth in flesh. To the World it may be famous being in the spot light but know that it is the Grace of God that shines over whoever is obedient to our Heavenly Father through Jesus Christ (not through works but through the pure heart & faith).
“Hillsong is part of the Body of Christ, the Church, part of the House with many rooms. Hillsong preaches about God who is Love and this is Jesus, the Word who came to this earth in flesh.”
Hi Happy Kitiona,
The misconception people have is that Hillsong is part of the body of Christ. Sadly, evidence says likewise. They in fact counterfeit Christianity and are theological cult. Just like Mormons and JWs they have a teach a different Jesus, different gospel, different spirit and different faith. Furthermore, they fulfill the popular BITE model, a model that helps identify if you are involved in a cult.
However, just like Mormon’s and JW’s, Hillsong has Christians within it’s movement. If Christian’s left Hillsong, Hillsong teachings and practices would be much more easier to spot.
Lastly, when we say ‘cult’, we are not wanting people to think they are murderous. We simply want people to understand that they present a counterfeit Christianity, are dangerous to one’s mental and emotional health and tends to destroy relationships with family members and friends.
We say this not because we hate Hillsong or wish for Hillsong’s destruction. We say this in love to warn first and foremost Christians who are enticed by the movement and secondly to the community at large so people do not get hurt.
Praise God that he has blessed his Holy Spirit within us to be closer to the truth than anything in this world.
Known not to judge this or that but only to be the Love to others and shine the light onto the darkness so that it may also see and become that same light.
Truthfully to say…..
Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:12 (NIV)
But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Corinthians 13:16-17 (NIV)
Peace be with you to the one who reads this.
@ Gordy – “No skin off my nose either way, but is there any reason for not being up-front with who you are?”
You wouldn’t be known by many other names around the internet by any chance? Gordon Bennett, Facelift, Faithlift, FL, etc etc?
Due to the censorship this site exercises, I withdraw. Statements supportive of the Catholic Church are not appreciated. Also the amount of anti-Catholic sentiment on this site is appalling. Pope Francis is a great Christian brother, the Catholic Church is the true Church. Brian Houston is a bozo. OK. that’s that.
Doug, i don’t think it is anti-catholic..anyway i hope not. Are muslims afraid of pentecostals? no. AOG..no.JW’s..no. Mormans…no..Bubblegum ‘churches’ such as Hillsong and C3 ? no. Independent churches mean nothing to them. If you have ever been to the Middle East there is something that absolutely terrifies Islam and is ingrained in their culture..the Crusades. Ever wondered why islam has never declared a jihad on the Catholic church? Because it would be a walkover and islamists know it. Personally i would not like metrosexual ‘appeasers’ like Houston or pringle to be my ‘leaders’ facing a threat to Christianity. Anyway..stay true to the Holy Bible and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Dear Doug
Please forgive those who can’t help but post their anti-Catholic diatribes. Like antisemitism, it is alive and well. I personally am Baptist now, but my roots are in the Catholic Church and I don’t go along with bagging it in any way, after all I came to a relationship with Jesus Christ through the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in the 80’s. I still support the Catholic priest who mentored my salvation.
But there are a lot of Anti-Catholic sentiments in the general Christian Community – like Ernie above who listens to that tripe put across by Chick publications and all the negs about the RCC. So on any forum you will get some anti-Catholic bias. Rise above it and try not to take offense. They are blinded by what they are taught and by what they read, or by what they want to hear. There is good and bad in every church because none are perfect.
The true church is not a denomination – it is made up of people, you and me and those who belong to Jesus Christ. In the end times, we must look past denominations and petty differences if we are to survive. We must unite as Jesus told us to, but unite under the truth and not falsehoods like Chrislam. If a church, any church preaches Chrislam we must be very, very careful.
TRUTH PLEASE/or Dear Doug? Please don’t put words in my mouth. if you read what I said and understood the word of God, you would have understood about the history of the matter of what was said. so you are a Baptist (Religion again) it is NOT ant-catholic, but anti-Religion that is the problem. and if it is good and bad in all churches then you are saying that even Occult, Satanic churches are in respect of love in Christ? as I said I have NEVER used chick publications as my sause. and as a Religious Baptist and Catholic, ‘that the word says come out of her’ Religion that is, We are in Grace and Truth now and NOT into shadows of the old Testament. and the new Pope might be a great block, But he bows down to Marry and is a Merry worshipper and was poor old John was, and as well they were top Masons. now I am and old man of some 75 years and have been through the lot and I say do NOT embrace Religion, read the Bible (K.J. only for it goes back to the Hebrew and NOT the Catholic Alexandrian scrips) The Baptists once was the only church that had all history of the Reformation, in the southern hemisphere and were Bible Believing men of God. and now they have let the Jesuits destroy the history, and do NOT teach it to their people. sad But TRUE. so I say to you it is NOT hate to the people of different believing people, But different believing Religions. For who is the liar, the One that denies the Father and the Son, they are the Antichrist. (1 (John.2;22) Christianity is NOT Churches, Lodges, Temples, Catholic, Baptists, Buddas, they did NOT die for your salvation, NO. But they, take your money, sexual problems, mislead, and all in Jesus Name? and the Saved Christians that were put to the stake for Jesus Sake, by Religious False Prophets, etc; and Why dose God HATE the NICOLATIONS? because they are liars and do NOT Preach the TRUTH of the Gospel of Grace and TRUTH, Binding my people Says the Lord. (Rev.2;6+2;24-25+2;20) wake up, Religion will NOT save you, But Jesus Christ (ALONE) WILL. Now I did NOT say I hate Religious People, BUT I HAT RELIGION. Jesus IS the door to enter to the Father and NO one else. and it is NOT emotions that saves, But heart and soul Believing what Jesus has said, IS TRUTH, so if you do NOT have the decrement, to know the difference between Religion and God’s Word, than you need to ask the Lord for help and understanding. God Bless, and understanding in the Lord. P.S. Man is NOT god, that he will save you.
It is sad that we have gone off track.
We need to be mature about what we display on here this is not the battlefield the world is facing remember its a spiritual warfare not a physical one.
Speak words of wisdom, don’t discourage one another, even Jesus had the same problems with his own disciples, fighting and quarrelling amongst who was the favourite.
The true church we all know is the Body of Christ! So why is it that we say we love God when we cant even Love each other, the eye cant do without the hand and the hand cant do without the foot. Followers of Jesus form the Body now get over it we all need each other in order to get this moving!
No wonder non believers look sideways at Christians its because they cant sort their own issues out, humble themselves and put their own selfishness aside so that Jesus can work through them in order to get what needs to be done.
Now we are all at different levels with our faith walk I get that, but respect one another and to the person who said Brian has gone soft on homosexuals, well praise God that someone is thinking about them, if Jesus forgave a prostitute and a murderer such as Paul then there is Hope in this world after all.
Remember theres only one Sun in the sky and he touches all, everyone and everything.
Meditate & challenge yourself to carry out the duty of this scripture:
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
John 4:8 (NIV)
Peace be with you all, In the name of Jesus I pray that with the Grace of God our eyes will open, our ears will hear and our hearts will break for what breaks his so that we will know love more. Amen.
John. 4;8 in the NIV is not the same as the King James John.4;8? pleas explain? and this is why Christians who believe in a scriptural deceptive bible are confused? and yes God loves unconditionally, But Salvation is conditional, Jesus only, and His Word from Antioch Hebrew. to say that you are under a Biblical foundation, and lift up the NIV as Holy is an abomination to the Lord. for Hort and Westcott were Spiritualists and destroyed the King James Bible to bring in heresy of the worst kind. Denying The Father and The Son. and those who lift up the NIV as Scripture are denying Jesus and the Father. (1 John.2;22)
Hi Ernie
sorry brothers and sisters its 1John 4:8
be blessed have a good night 🙂 The world awaits some work done tonight 🙂
Yes that is the NIV version.
Just believe the Holy Spirit is with you 🙂
Dear Ernie
Yes I read what you said:
You are an adherent to KJV only.
Anti-religion (not Anti-Jesus Christ or person)
Anti-Roman Catholic Church
The Jesuits are responsible for more things than is possible, including destroying the Baptists (like the Jews theory – they have a finger in every pie)
And believe anyone in the RCC, and who uses the NIV etc is in heresy.
Oh and the Pope and Catholics worship Mary.
I get that, but you are fixed in your ideas and you are wrong to condemn people you don’t know.
I may be presently worshiping in the Baptist Church, but it is not because I am now a strict adherent to the Baptist traditions. No, I go because the Pastors are accountable, preach the word, and give very good sermons. My last church was Pentecostal.
No, I am not saying anything about Satan Churches etc Huh???? I am talking about Christian denominations Ernie.
Whether you have read the Chick Publications or not, the diatribe that comes from them is coming in loud and clear from what you write. So whatever you ARE reading is a product of that. From someone who originally was a very angry man full of resentment toward a church that he perceived had wronged him. It comes from a wrong spirit.
I use the NIV but I can can say categorically that: Jesus is God.
I have read up on the differences, on Westcott and Hort since your letter, and yes there do appear to be some differences according to the site I read. I agree. But it was an anti site that I read from. But I still agree that Jesus Christ is God.
As for the Pope being Masons – not possible.
You at 75 should know what my father knew (maybe) that you can be EITHER a Mason OR a Catholic, but you cannot be both. He lived thru that very clear distinction when it was all the rage.
As for the Pope worshiping Mary – you do not understand Catholicism. He doesn’t worship Mary and neither did I – it is against the doctrine of the faith. The only people in the Catholic Church who worship Mary are those who don’t know any better or the Hindus in India.
My daughter who is Anti-religion and an athiest now, sprouts exactly the same stuff you do. I see in her a rigid view implanted in her head, full of bitterness and hatred. Did you know this – That whoever is feeding you is feeding vulnerable young people too and destroying what little faith they held as kids? It is vicious and consuming. I lost my daughter to this stuff. So how can it be good?
I don’t know which trough you are feeding from, but please Ernie, get your eyes back on the bible, find a mentor who is Godly and stay away from all that extraneous stuff you are reading – it creates a bitterness of spirit and is unhelpful for the body of Christ. It comes across as lacking in love and full of judgement. If you want to win a Catholic or anyone to Christ with what you are saying, you will fail.
Jesus instituted the church Ernie – a place of fellowship and safety among like minded believers. You sound like you are out on your own and that is not a good place to be.
Happy K – I loved what you had to say. Thank you for making the effort.
Truth please–thank you for posting with so much consideration for the person you are speaking to.
I know Brian Houston well . I used to be in his father’s church in Lower Hutt New Zealand. Brian was a young guy then and I used to have him as a passenger on the school bus I was driving. It is quite painful for me to hear him say, “We actually serve the same God “. How in the world could you possibly say a thing like that ,Brian ?
I am sure your father would never say a thing like that . This is an insult to our God and His Holy character. Allah is an old Arab idol and his true name is Sin or Nanna. He is the moon god also know in ancient time as Bel or Baal .Gideon fought against this idol. Judges 6:32, also ” and Gideon took the crescent shaped ornaments that were on their camels necks” Judges 8: 21 . What a mistake for Brian to make seeing he is the superintendent of the Assemblies of God in Australia .I do hope that other pastors in this denomination will stand up against this wrong and abominable teaching.
Otherwise we might see a great falling away in the Pentecostal church.
Sadly, I think the great falling away is already happening… You can’t call this a Christian, Bible believing church because they’re more concerned with numbers and not offending people. He’s going soft on homosexuality too. Is he truly a believer? does he truly love God and seek to please Him because if he did he would speak the truth of God’s word and not want to please man.
You are talking about the supernatural. you are talking about he spirit that we Christians understand is the spirit that rules Islam, Baal. However Brian is talking about common theology. Its common knowledge and all muslims will tell you that
Muslims believe they serve our God the Father who originates from the Jewish Faith we share the same forefathers.
We see him as The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. and we believe the promise in Genesis and we believe Isaac is the son of the promise, however muslims believe that the Son of the promise is not Jacob but Ishmael. the son of the mistress of abraham.
BRIAN clearly estates that all people need to look at God through Jesus which is what the New testament teaches. “No one comes to the father but though me.”
PAY ATTENTION TO THE CONTEXT FROM WHICH HE IS SPEAKING : He says we need to look at God through Jesus which is what christian’s believe. There is nothing wrong with his doctrine it is absolutely true.
Jesus changes everything.
“BRIAN clearly estates that all people need to look at God through Jesus which is what the New testament teaches. “No one comes to the father but though me.”
We have clearly presented the facts what Brian actually said. He deceitfully pushed an “inclusive” Jesus, which we pointed out through the sermon of Alistair Begg is a different Jesus. If you wish to believe that Muslims and Christians worship the same God, join the pagan Roman Catholic Church.
Will God find faith on the earth?
After spending time in Amazon trying to tell Christian readers that a certain 5 book series is NOT Christian Fiction because it denies the deity of Christ, that in it Christ is not worshiped, is some form of demi-god and the Holy Spirit is used for Rocket fuel, I have lost faith in the ability of Christians to discern the truth. Instead they rave about it and recommend it to other Christians. I have been like a lone wolf crying out, but no-one hears.
I agree with Lizard – the falling away is happening. Hang onto the truth with both hands, heart soul and mind, because they are trying to pull the rug out from beneath our feet and make us feel guilty for saying something!
Agree with this article. Here is my own breakdown on what he is saying:
http://stuffaboutgod.com/hillsong-church-brian-houston-promotes-chrislam/
Good article Craig.
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There is no scriptural evidence that Ishmael is the father of Islam. Why Christians get caught up in this amazes me. I wish people would get the facts correct rather than take up a claim someone has preached for the past 20+ years and claim it as truth. God took care of Ishmael and his mother, but the roots of Islam are from Mohammad and there is no evidence linking him to the true God of Israel. Stop listening to men and check out the word. The beginning of antichrist as told in scriptural is close by. Let us not be surprised that anti christ will come from within church and not from without. You keep the faith and if it ain’t in the word of a God, dismiss it.
Amen P. Carol. You are right in what you say.
I think it comes from the Muslim’s themselves. I recently watched a you tube debate posted here somewhere, where the Muslim guy defends his position by saying that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba together. And that all the running around now done on pilgrimage is done in honour of Hagar and Ishmael. That it was Ishmael that Abraham was going to sacrifice, not Isaac.
So it is Islam that has instigated themselves into the old testament, but that in no-way makes it true. There is no proof.
The proof is in what the God of the Christians, and Jews say, verses the God of Islam. They contradict. They cannot therefore be the same God.
I think that to discuss on Islam ya’ll need to read the Koran and understand that it’s not the Bible,this conception is a legend passed on but those who don’t read it and heard it said by whoever. And, the Muslims are not the descendants of Ishmael, Mohammed came in the late 500’s to early 600’s and he forced conversion from Jews, Caucasians, Greeks, Chinese, etc. His doctrine and his god is more gnostic than anything, and his doctrine is based on his whims, what was convenient at the time. Yes, the later Caliphs put together the information in a box in any order. And if Muslims say that he was married or not to a nun, I don’t believe them as witnesses, they don’t even know what the Koran says. And, yes, it says that they are to protect the people of the book, but then another sura (verse) says not to, and the later verses abrogate (make of no effect) the previous ones, so, yeah, kill the people of the book. And, beware, it also says that you can lie to those that are not Muslims, with impunity, no sin on you. Through the ages, they forced conversions to many, Syria was one of the most Christian areas by the year 290, they sent missionaries everywhere. Under Islam they were the intellectuals, the readers, the ones that kept math alive. When the taxes under the Muslims that allowed them to live without converting got to bad and they could not stomach conversion, many left. The ones that stay, well you can see what they have done to the Christians in the last couple years.
To hear a Pastor like Brian Houston say this from a pulpit is not a shock to me at all. First we need to consider how and why he would make such an elementary mistake of putting Christ Jesus together with a Muslim God. I remember Brian answering a question on TV in Australia about homosexuality, a presenter on this program asked Brian directly if “homosexuality is a sin”? Brian Houston answered ” Any sex out of marriage is a sin” He does not want to offend homosexuals because they give a lot of money to Hillsong. Brian is afraid of bad publicity or damaging Hillsong brand name.
I have no personal problem with Brian Houston or his wife but I was a member of his fathers church Frank Houston when they were in Darlinghurst Sydney. I attended Brian Houston’s church back in 1988 when it was called Hills Christian Life Centre.
Brian has completely changed, He is now all about personal influence, prosperity, leadership, achievements, self promotion, church influence, growth and power.
It is very sad to see so many pastors and God loving people be misled and deceived by Brians teaching. I will say this to anyone who read this comment,
Christ clearly said you can not serve both God and money. Christ used the word hate to illustrate how he strongly wanted to get his point across to us. I do not care how anointed or how smart you think you are, PHd, Professor..etc If you ignore Christ word you are in for some serious problems.
Pastors who covet money, position, fame, celebrity wana be, and belief of entitlement will fall prey into this false and misleading teaching. If you take time to think and consider this properly then you will understand what I am saying here. Please consider this, Pyramid scheme is illegal in Australia but it is widely practise in Hillsong because they go under the radar of religion. Only the people at the top of the pyramid gets the money.
For more than 30 years I have have never come across anyone more cold hearted,greedy and self serving than pastors I personally know in the pentecostal movement.
Many people who associate and support hillsong are not there because they love God but because they want to copy Brian and Bobbie Houston pyramid scheme that brings to them what they covet.
They believe they are the new priest send by God to collect and receive tithes or money on his behalf, lol what a con. the bible teaches that Jesus was not allowed to be a priest when he was here on earth because only Levites were allowed to be priest.
Jesus is from the tribe of Judah, following Jesus does turn us into Levites or Jews so we can collect tithes and offering under the law of Moses taught at Hillsong.
All followers of Christ are under the new covenant of Grace not by trying to keep the law of Moses where only Levities are allowed to be priest.
I seriously think Brian must go back to the basics and examined what a true follower of Christ believes first before he preaches another sermon.
praise the Lord Brother, unfortunately we are at a time in God’s history, of the falling away, and he is coming soon, and not only the Antichrist is to be revealed, but all who are in the Religion of self and traditions of men I to have been through the church system of traditions and self made men. and through the system of college and pastor. but was pushed out because of the unwillingness to be a part of the greed and self worth of the pastors that rule over God’s people. “The Nicolations” that God hates.
(Rev.2;6 + Rev.2;24-25 + Rev.2;20) it is very close and we see the so-called big churches, having cracks appear in the woodwork. The NIV (and I have the first copy of the N.I.V 1878 Hort and Westcott) denying Jesus and His Sonship etc; and they were ‘Ghost Society” and into spirit world things and more; Yet I hear from the so-call Christians, defending the N.I.V. ? Yet they are very quiet on defending the God-ship, and His Grace and Truth that only the King James, with the 400 years of persecution of the saints and righteousness have produced? (1 John.2;22) who is the liar? I to know brain and his father when he was alive. sad, yet bad. unless Brian and others like him Repent and stand up for those who follow him, and tell the truth of the word and grace. What each person sows, is what you will receive as your lot. Those who belong to these ungodly churches also should seeing the truth of the matter have a responsibility to stand up as well for the sake of Jesus and His word, and for those who are in error.
and if Allah and God were the same god/God, why do we have to convert to each side if we do so. and why dose the Koran say we are to be killed if we are NOT Muslim? stand up, stand up for Jesus ye, soldier’s of the cross, NOT soldier’s of the lie. How can we as Christian’s say we love Jesus, yet, deny him in the things we do.
Don’t worry Pearl…the Muslims don’t believe that Kadija was a nun. Not in the least. She was a successful trader, with caravans of camels. She was however a gnostic or arian as was her uncle, not a pagan, as such she had an influence on Mohammed’s eventual beliefs.
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Brian Houston is a Traitor to Jesus Christ by preaching that Allah and God are the same God.
He says that we come from the same God which is true. History tells us and muslims will tell you. however he says we need to look at God through Jesus which is what christian believe there is nothing wrong with his doctrine it is absolutely true.
Jesus changes everything.
Muslims believe they serve our God the Father who come from the Jewish Faith we share the same forefathers. The God of abraham isaac and jacob. however muslims believe that the Son of the promise stated in the Torah is no Jacob but Ishmael.
He clearly estates that all people need to look at God through Jesus which is what the New testament teaches. “No one come to the father but though me.”
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it is very clear what he said “We serve THE SAME GOD” , to muslim it is ALLAH to Christian Abbah Father God..
how could Christian and Muslim SERVE THE SAME GOD?…
He says that we come from the same God which is true. History tells us and muslims will tell you. however he says we need to look at God through Jesus which is what christian believe there is nothing wrong with his doctrine it is absolutely true.
Jesus changes everything.
Muslims believe they serve our God the Father who come from the Jewish Faith we share the same forefathers. The God of abraham isaac and jacob. however muslims believe that the Son of the promise stated in the Torah is no Jacob but Ishmael.
He clearly estates that all people need to look at God through Jesus which is what the New testament teaches. “No one come to the father but though me.”
Well, saying we come from the same god doesn’t really mean anything does it? Might as well say we all come from the same earth, or solar system or come from female mothers.The point is WHICH God do we serve? The Muslim god is NOT the Christian God.Jesus Christ is not the Divine Son of God according to islam..end of story.
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please explain….////above…???
He says as history dictates that we came from the same theology but he is talking in a context where we are to always look at God trough Jesus.
This article is very hateful, there is no need to attack good doctrine and a faithful servant to create division.
He very clearly states we need to look at God through Jesus.
Sorry Ana, but Brian Houston does not teach ‘good doctrine’, and neither does he appear to be a ‘good servant’ either…
Anna we don’t even come from the same God. Mohammed plagiarized the scriptures for his own ends. Then added the pagan worship of the time, ie the kaaba and their chief god, saying it was the Abrahamic God.
Anna, Allah of the Koran says that He did not have a son, that Jesus did not die on a cross. Allah’s words. A different gospel.
Who is Allah – who is the entity that would deny Jesus is God, deny the saving power of the crucifixion, and deny the the Sonship of the Lord Jesus? It would hardly be Yahweh.
Even the Muslims deny that the God of the Christians and the Jews is the same God as Allah. Only the Moderates consider our God the same. The ones who don’t read their Koran and the liars who are trying to cosy up to us – for now! Mohammed did the same thing until he got powerful enough to crush those same people as Islam will do to the West. That is what the abrogated scriptures are about. Moderates quote scriptures prior to lull us into a false sense of security, but the rest of the Koran says that we are idolators and worship 3 gods. Oh and deserve death.
So any inference whatsoever that we worship the same God, is blasphemy of the highest order, and if we mere mortals know it, then how could Brian Houston make a gaff of such a serious nature, unless he believes it to be true?
I should have written we don’t even come from the same theology…
Perhaps Ana is been reading too much of this Gordy man?
Si this something doctrine Gordy teaches?
Samir, I believe that such thingsas are taught, come out of an eccumenical spirit.
God only wants unity based on Bible truth and not on a false unity where everyone involved has compromised their position It seems they have been overcome by massive decptions, and the false doctrines and practices that accompany such deceptions…
Poor old houston…i have just seen hillsong’s ‘No other name’ devotional, cd or whatever. And i keep thinking…no other name…didnt he just say allah was o.k.?
Guys,
did you ever consider that there are a lot of different ways to look at a complex world? Maybe we all can learn from each other. I believe in god and I kinda think that he wants us to live together peacefully. Perhaps there is one specific way to go and I think we will find it by putting our trust in god. Fear leads into darkness.
“Fear leads into darkness.”
Believing things that are not true lead people into darkness.
@jidonno “Perhaps there is one specific way to go and I think we will find it by putting our trust in god. Fear leads into darkness”.
There is no ‘perhaps’ brother..and there certainly is ‘one specific way’…the Holy Bible is there waiting for you to read it. Then you will be in no doubt when hearing false teachers.
Jesus asked Christians are to preach the gospel nationwide not to waste time criticising others. This blog is just up to destroying the image of brian houston and the hillsong church.
Better we also watch WHAT gospel we preach, We don’t want Muslims teachings from church pulphits do we? It seems Brian Houston would have NO problem with that idea> . Houston is also on record as saying that the popes are great men of god. So he will have no problem accepting Catholic priests from that cult to teach in Hillsong cult.. Better warn these churches built on sand that they will be swept away when the trouble comes,, Hillsong is certainly not built on the rock who is Christ.
We must warn the church. I just read a Muslim who is in a group that goes to both mosque and church to pray and read. The priest supported the building of the Mosque and gave money for it.
Folks, if you didn’t know this yet – it’s called “Chrislam” and apparently Rick Warren is right behind it – here’s the link:
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366
Please note that I am not endorsing the website, the rest of its content or the website owner’s beliefs.
What is on that page doesn’t look like a theory or a nasty rumour to me – it looks like it’s already happening overseas,and the usual suspects are right in the thick of it – be warned. Looks like these false prophets are wearing camel skins as well, not just wool…
Rick Warren has been a keynote speaker at Hillsong in the past and that may indicate that it is his influence behind Brian Houston’s so called “gaffe” about Allah and the Lord our God being the same deity – heresy and blasphemy!
well said, How long is the church going to let anything be taught ? About time the members stood up for the truth as you are doing, GBU.
Austin – Thank you for the website – it is a valuable resource.
I came across another one while browsing the one you gave us…
http://www.faithshared.org/index.html
I couldn’t help myself, I had to write to them and ask them “What on earth are you doing guys!!” I was a little more polite of course…but if I could shake them I would.
https://hillsong.com/media/2014-march-correction
In his “sermon”, Brian said:
“Do you know – take it all the way back into the Old Testament and the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God. Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God.”
And in the “correction” at the link provided, Brian Houston states:
“Recently there have been false claims on social media that I believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God. This is incorrect.”
The lie is blatant, which makes it a trivially simple matter to spot the liar (who, it seems, has already booked his ticket to the place where all liars eventually go).
No doubt Brian will be travelling “business class” to that destination as well…
America, America Will You Be Heard
The Caliphate will come to America, after ISIS dominates the Eastern Countries and moves on to Europe, then America. So why not let the Muslims kill one another off? The problem lies in the fact that many, many innocent lives die in their destructive path, coupled with the fact that once they take over Iraq, they will not stop there but move on to Israel and Jordan and other countries, then America. Wahhabism, is on the move and is well alive among the Islamic. Just look it up.
The recent release of the 5 terrorist leaders of the Taliban has almost been forgotten, with recent events. Rest assured they will plot a worse 9/11.
Remember Anwar Awlaki, who was an Inman at a local Mosque in Virginia, he preached violence and hate, an American born terrorist, known Al Qaeda terrorist leader who preached to 3 of the 9/11 hijackers and was linked to the Fort Hood massacre with Nidal Hassan. Now we have over 2400 Mosques in America, how many of them preach hate and violence toward America folks?
In fact one of his followers Ism Suhaib Webb worked alongside of Awlaki and also joined Al Qaeda,(according to an FBI report) is now teaching the future Islam leadership at a college in Claremont, California. Unbelievable to say the least.
At one point in Eastern Europe there were over 1.7 million Christians, now there are less than a few hundred thousand, the rest were slaughtered by the Islamic militants or took refugee elsewhere.
Something is definitely going wrong in the World and the America that we once knew and cherished. Our children, and grandchildren and future generations may be growing up in an America, that no one will recognize, all in the name of “political correctness, or for fear of being labeled”. Radical Islam and Sharia Law must be stopped from making any further inroads into America. Just look at Dearborn, Pennsylvania for one example. Immigration of refugees is a whole other subject coming across our borders that no one will close.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, perhaps said it best “Violence is inherent in Islam”. She speaks from experience as a former Muslim.
Enough is enough people, when Jews, Christians, priests, and non believers are being murdered, and churches are being burned to the ground, it’s time to stand up, and voice your free speech opinion and be counted folks.
Months ago in a Mall in Kenya, anyone that was not of Islam faith were gunned down and murdered. There was some outcry, but certainly not enough. When it happens in a Mall in America, it will be far too late. An American citizen was recently savagely beaten by “Muslim Sharia Law Patrols” in London, while on vacation.
The majority of Japanese did not approve of the bombing of Pearl Harbor, but they were silent and the minority got their way. The majority of the Germans, did not believe in Hitler, but they were also silent and the Holocaust occurred. And now the majority of so called moderate Muslims are silent as 15-20% of the minority, control the majority of them.
We need our leaders and everyone, to speak out in a uniformed voice and condemn this type of violence everywhere it occurs. We no more can simply hide from this issue in the 21st century, and just expect it to go away. It will only gain in strength and numbers and more violent acts will occur and more innocent people will be murdered as a direct result of this kind of radical violence.
“Political correctness” is causing the spread of Sharia Law in America, where honor killings are far too common and women are treated as sub-human slaves. It is a fact that over 50% of Islam are illiterates and 80% are ignorant of the Qur’an. All over Europe there is no political will to stop their conquests. In fact, Germany, Australia, France, Belgium, England and now even Russia are facing serious bankruptcy, due to the massive immigration of Muslims. Most of the immigrants live off public assistance and simply do not want to integrate into society, but rather want to dominate and establish Sharia Law where ever they immigrant to.
I know that there are good Muslims out there that do not follow a strict interpretation of the Qur’an, which when read calls for the killing of all infidels. Many Muslims are silent for fear of their lives; in fact if they leave their religion, they are subject to death.
Prayer and love for sure, are the good things to do for mankind, but much more is needed.
I want to give my children and grandchildren and future generations a better America and World that exists today. How about you?
When good men and women are silent or do nothing evil will always win, simply don’t let that happen, speak out loud and clear.
Simple Google searches on the Muslim Brotherhood would reveal their hidden agenda. They have recently went underground and have become a hidden stealth front organizations here in America, via over 200 political organizations and are making inroads into every America, town, city, universities and government, mostly at taxpayers’ expense.
Recently, they have been successful in re writing many social and history books in all schools, to put Islam in a more favorable light. This should never be allowed to happen, but again, due to political correctness there is no political will to stop them, so they succeed.
Would very much like to hear your recommendations as to how to improve America, stop the violence and Sharia Law from being imposed on our judicial system.
Most of American families are simply far too busy, trying to raise a family, and many work two jobs, and quite frankly have no time to get involved or research any of the violence and causes of the violence in America and the World today.
They must rely on the mainstream media, which quite often is bias and under the “political correctness doctrine” can never really tell the “true” news for fear of repercussions. Thus their fear becomes an indirect endorsement of the violence, by way of default.
Whatever happened to our first amendment right of free speech folks? It is long overdue, to stand up for America and be counted in one voice against the spread of radical Islam and Sharia Law in America. Can we count on you?
Thank you, for you, your children, your grandchildren and future generations of America.
Well said.
With Obama Muslim by being Born to a Muslim father, accepting Muslim Brotherhood members on his staff to oversee defence, and Muslim women in our airports, what hope do Americans have?
Too many people are apathetic.
It might take another 9/11 which of course was a Zionist consipiracy – not, to wake us all up in the West and start to take off our blinkers.
God bless us all.
Have been on You tube discussions / arguments and worse. Been interesting to hear how brainwashed Muslims are in their knowledge of their own religion let alone ours.
Can you believe that Mary the Mother of Jesus has been promised in Marriage to Mohammed in Paradise (in the Koran ) which of course means she will be having sex with Mohammed who will have the prodigious appetite of 100 men!
Did anyone ask Mary?
What kind of god sentences a woman to eternity with Mohammed as a sexual deviant?
Ah…I know! They usually picture him with horns!
And article By Debbie Schlussel
I don’t know how a TSA screener could possibly be “unaware” that his metal detector was unplugged. It’s impossible, unless he has the IQ of a mushroom, in which case he shouldn’t be employed. Every screener knows that the machine goes off with regularity, even if passengers empty everything out of their pockets and remove their shoes and belt buckles. And, so, it is beyond credulity when Alija Abdul Majed, a Muslim TSA screener, claims that he was unaware that his metal detector at New York’s JFK Airport was not plugged in. Hey, whatta concidence! What’s more believable is that he knew exactly what was going on and that he probably deliberately unplugged it, himself. He probably also tipped off some jihadist buddies of his to go through Lane No. 1 in Terminal 7. Majed should be under investigation if he isn’t already. But, hey, we can’t discriminate against Muslim TSA employees and applicants. After all, the men who took boxcutters on planes and flew 3,000 Americans into buildings and to their deaths were Zoroastrians, Wiccans, and Hindus, right? The TSA is treating this Muslim terrorist-enabling TSA screener as if he were “clueless.” Yeah, right. As clueless as Mohammed Atta and his 18 buddies. This was either a dry run/testing of the system to see if he could get away with it and for how long, or the actual enabling of a terrorist trying to smuggle something onto a flight.
I can’t find the article on the Muslim women who were doing a similar job and had to be reinstated.
Another interesting site re ongoing issues in America regarding rights, or lack thereof.
http://www.danielpipes.org/358/are-muslim-americans-victimized
I think Brian Houston should look at what the Quran says about Allah and then revise his theology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLMcZysHhqM
I think its great to be cautious and to warn others of the discernment to be made in this matter, but also keep in mind that this guy may have been making a general statement out of a sensitive conscious or ignorance of the bigger picture, and until you have verified exactly what he meant, it would be wise not to assume what exactly he was implying. food for thought
That is what the German church in the 1930s.. He doesn’t really mean what he says about the Jews.. Well Hitler did mean what he said.. And Houston has called the Pope a great man of God,, but Pope Francis says that Muslims are his brothers. Houston and Hillsong are already part of the one world church of the anti-christ, and yes,, Brian knows quite well what he said in relation to Islam and church serving the same god.. The German churches supported Hitler to avoid persecution..
Abraham had Ishmael with Sarah’s handmaiden first because Sarah got impatient with God and ask Abraham to do this to beget an heir. Then Sarah did finally get pregnant and have the son God promised them who was Isaac. So both sons father was Abraham but as God told them, Isaac would be the choosen one.Now both sons went on to form twelve tribes I am told, Both were blessed with land given them, That was until the tribes of Ishmael strayed from Abraham’s God. They choose to worship a false god they call Allah. At this point I doubt the true God continued to bless them. They choose to leave Him and become pagans and worship an evil god. After that happened then nothing to do with their religion can be called good.This is a false, made up god, religion who’s people are doomed unless they turn back to the one true God named Jehovah. End of story. Christianity in no way resembles any other religion because their gods are all false therefore so are all their beliefs and teachings. So QUIT SAYING THEY ARE THE SAME. IN FACT THEY ARE ALMOST OF OPPOSITE BELIEFS.
Exactly Dorothy! Just because Abraham is the father of both children does not mean that both children (and all of their descendants) worship the same God as Christians.
For instance, if Ishmael, or his seed, had taken up idol worship, would anyone mistakenly believe that he was still a worshiper of Jehovah?
And that is exactly what happened. Whether Allah worship started out as idol worship or as the worship of another spirit (as in, the god of this world) they definitely are NOT worshipers of Jehovah.
I do not understand how anyone who has taken the time to compare even a few of the practices of Islam with what we are taught in the Bible could ever seriously consider the possibility.
For Brian Huston to teach that Allah is the same as the God of Christians shows his lack of walk with the God of the bible, and regardless of what he preaches, does it not show his lack of knowledge of the Bible and spirituality.. It also explains why there is so little context of spirituality in his hill song stuff, but boy one has to acknowledge it sure has been a massive money making machine, they have even BROUGHT churches here in Queensland..
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Mohammad was an evil, terror causing killer, and even skited that he chased the Jews off their land, killed their men, took their wives for sex and took all that they had, he was a man who went on many raids, and ordered hundreds of others, killing, raping and terrorising, all ordered by the god of Muslims, Allah and allah/mohammad tells his followers to do so until the whole world is for allah as allah wants no rivals, Mohammad and his merry men were just pirates on land.. how dare anyone say that the God of the Christians is the same.
The God of Christians is not the same as the God of Mohammad..
Arab historians, like Vaqqidi, have revealed that Allah was actually the chief of 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Muhammad rose to prominence.
Professor A. Guilluame, an expert in the studies of the Islamic religion, says the worship of the moon god was rampant in Arabia at the time of Muhammad. According to him, the moon god had several names — one of which was “Allah.”
It is wrong for any translation of the Bible in any language to use this word ‘Allah’ to refer to the God of the Bible.
since the word ‘Allah’ pre-existed Muhammad and if it was common word for God then, why didn’t Moses use this word interchangeably or even appropriating it? If ‘Allah’ is the one Abraham was worshipping, why didn’t the Apostles use this word in the New Testament writings? If it was ‘Allah’ revealing Himself to the Jews, why didn’t the Jewish writers use this word ‘Allah’ in the Jewish Bible? God’s original revelation was written in Hebrew related to the Jewish history and not Arab history. Why in the first place did not “Allah” reveal to the Arab people in Arabic but to the Jews in Hebrew?
The miraculous virgin born, perfect life of Jewish Jesus is antithetical to the imperfect, sinning, political, blood shedding warlord, Arab Muhammad.
Jesus never married and taught monogamy referring to the Genesis account of creation but Muhammad taught and practiced polygamy and sex with little girls.
The prophecies of Jesus’s first and second coming and at least 333 prophecies of The Coming of Christ that were literally fulfilled. 109 of which could only have been fulfilled by Jesus.
It then makes one wonder how the Quran/Mohammad who himself is never mentioned in the bible can then say that Jesus is only a prophet-messenger inferior to himself.
Well said!
gordy does not worship God. gordy worships gordy.
and gordy only comes on here to play his little word games. once he gets someone playing, then he always twists the rules to his liking.
i have YET to see him fess up to ANYTHING C3 or Hillsong has ever done. all gordy does is gives excuses for them. like on that “we all worship the same God” issue.
gordy’ll be held responsible for his own actions. he treats the Lord with contempt. he won’t be able to wiggle his way out with the Lord during judgement, the way he always has here.
nobody here can answer your the real questions you need answered gordy, because as i’ve seen stated here at least twice, you should seek professional counseling.
My local 7/11 was managed by a Muslim. His brother also worked there. They were a great encouragement to me as a Christian. No alcohol, no gambling, no sex before marriage, and their women were glorious – gentle, submissive, godly. To be honest, I believe we serve the same God. But “Who am I”? I couldn’t be right could I? And the way some Hindus talk about God …
As for Brian Houston, let’s be honest, the thing he’s hated for more than anything else – Come on, let’s be honest here; Come on … besides not believing what your particular denomination believes – is his SUCCESS. He makes us look like losers. “An envious, a jealous person is more spiteful, wicked, and dangerous than an angry, violent man.” Prov 27:4
Come Lord Jesus!
Seriously Mark, I don’t think that Brian Houston has ANYTHING that I would be jealous of – anything at all. According to Geoff Bullock, who toured the USA with Brian back in 1988, it was the bright lights and big mansions/mega church settings that changed Brian’s perspective on what “church” should be like.
That’s why ‘you need more money’ Mark, because Brian needs lots of your money too – so don’t you forget to give it to him, now won’t you…
I believe that Brian is the victim of the following:
“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.” (1 John 2:16)
…and that his whole false religious system is not to be envied due to the obvious fact that it is not based on the NT pattern, as taught by Christ and the apostles.
Where do we see Paul or Peter or James telling everybody in town that “You Need More Money” or the wives of these men of God writing it up that “Kingdom Women Need More Sex”??? Success, Brian Houston style – now come on… come on now Mark – what success? Hmmmm?
The man is blind to the truths of the Bible and is leading his blind congregations into the ditch of eternal damnation – is that your idea of success Mark – is it?
I have known a Jehovah’s Witness, Mormon, Bahai follower and a pagan who were outwardly as moral as the Muslims you describe.
Would you say they worship the Christian God of the Bible too?
are you serious??
godly? hindus?
i saw some hindus yesterday with one of their false elephant god statues painted in silver in a shop they owned. those statues are nothing but repulsive.
where do you suppose hindus who worship elephant gods spend eternity?
how can that be encouraging?
read Isaiah 44.
nfg
“As for Brian Houston, let’s be honest, the thing he’s hated for more than anything else – Come on, let’s be honest here; Come on … besides not believing what your particular denomination believes – is his SUCCESS.”
That’s what he tells his followers often. Even if his followers become successful, false teachers like Brian convince people that the world is jealous of their success. If not that, we are maligned by him that his critics have a poverty mindset.
So at the end of the day, we’re damned by his his members no matter what our view is on money and success. Once again, this only proves Brian Houston is a fraud considering the bible exposes him as peddling division, lies, and provoking people to jealousy.
“As for Brian Houston, let’s be honest, the thing he’s hated for more than anything else – Come on, let’s be honest here; Come on … besides not believing what your particular denomination believes – is his SUCCESS. He makes us look like losers.“
mark, another reason you are incorrect is explained by mike..
http://mikeratliff.wordpress.com/2014/08/04/do-not-love-the-world-or-the-things-in-the-world-if-anyone-loves-the-world-the-love-of-the-father-is-not-in-him/
to me, brian houston is a product of the world, who acts like the world, is conformed to the world..
i have no desire to be like brian houston. in fact i would rather not be like him. at all.
nfg
Mark, there are many very nice and pious Muslim families around. They are not the problem. Islam is. First and foremost, Islam denies Jesus Christ’s death on the cross, his resurrection and his deity. Without those 3 things our faith is dead. If Allah in his Koran denies these three things (along with absolutely countless others) and says that you as a Christian will go to Hell fire for believing what you do, when our bible says otherwise, then how can Allah be the same God as the one we serve?
Check out these guys, along with their individual ministries on You Tube: David Wood, Sam Shamoun, Acts17apologetics, Brigette Gabriel, There are many who will show you the truth of Islam. The first mistake we make is believing we worship the same God. The second is to listen to Islamic teaching without knowing what we believe.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Acts17Apologetics
Woow, a lot of comments, it took 1 hour to read through them. It’s amazing seeing brothers and sisters in God with the overwhelming knowledge about bible and history and all.
But for me, i would just come back to God’s presence each day, hungry for more of Him, cause just in His presence i got my strength 🙂
and regarding all the ‘faults’ that BH made, who are we to judge him? personally, i wouldn’t 100% trust any human, for we, humans, are not perfect.
My hope is in Jesus alone, I will just look up to Him each day, for He will provide me with words, wisdom, peace and joy.
There’s actually no time to argue about Religions, denominations and stuff, cause the time is approaching, let’s be prepared for Him and always remember who He is.
If spirit of God rests in you, you’d bring healing in your family, workplace, and your environment (matthew 5:13-16), that is my calling, and the denomination of my church wouldn’t play any role in my act on fullfilling my calling, cause it has always been our unique revelation about who God is and the gospel. There are a lot of people dying to hear the gospel, that we have hope and life in Him. And I am born for this!
Anyway, our God doesn’t need us to defend Him, for He has overcome the world!
http://radicaltruth.net/index.php/learn/radical-truth-christianity/95-who-is-allah-is-he-the-god-of-the-bible
Conclusion
The god of Islam, Allah, is not the same person as the God of the Bible, YHWH.
YHWH is a trinity, Allah is absolutely one.
YHWH can be known and seeks to be known. Allah is unknowable.
YHWH is a relational God and seek relationship with us. Allah does not.
YHWH is perfectly good and is never responsible for evil. Allah causes evil along with good.
The love of YHWH is unconditional; we cannot earn it. Allah’s love requires a Muslim to earn it.
YHWH is perfectly just. Allah is unjust because he punishes people for the sins he causes them to commit.
The relationships we experience in our families reflects the relationship with have with God, and the relationship the triune God has with himself. The relationship Muslim families also experience does not reflect the relationship with Allah.
Differences between Allah and YWH – Great apologetics – great resource. Thanks!
Are you a Muslim? a Christian? A Buddhist? A protestant? A catholic?? I DONT CARE!…Show me your faith by what you do, and I’ll show you mine by what I do..All will die and face our Creator and will be judged according to OUR OWN ACTIONs and not by the actions of others, more so by the action of Pastor Houston..
“Are you a Muslim? a Christian? A Buddhist? A protestant? A catholic?? I DON’T CARE!”
And because you don’t care, you don’t know.
Your appalling attitude is the same as that of many of Brian’s followers – it is informed by rank ignorance that is entirely wilful. Thus you will have no more excuse when you stand before God than will Brian, and unless you repent you will certainly burn in the same place that he is going to.
Matthew 7:21 [Jesus said] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, *I never knew you*: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Who should people listen to:Those who preach “deeds not creeds” or Jesus Christ Himself?
So from my observations here — this is confusing alot of good-hearted Christians. It doesn’t seem to be done out of love, rather jealousy/envy. Stop looking to Brian Houston — look to Jesus Christ, who came in the flesh as a Babe in Christ, it’s stuffing me big time as I believe God wants me in Hillsong because I have met some lovely people there. I grew up poor, below middle-class for sure but STOP HURTING US, BABES IN CHRIST. I came to the Lord in 2012 and remember, the joy I had reading the Scriptures then I found out about our dark side in the Christian world. It put me in serious bondage. It absolutely ruined me. Remember what the Apostle Paul said? If you believe your brother is wrong, go to him directly, then if he doesn’t listen, take two others then the Church then if he still refuses — cast him out. Far out. It absolutely PAINS ME to SO MUCH FIGHTING between us. So, Hillsong has money. Who cares!? Don’t you know that God has something better for those who don’t have money? There’s only so much a person can take and websites like this do not help but confuse and distort. I’ve heard so much from so many Christians and I get so angry, why are you complicating something so simple? Loving one another just as He loves us. UGH!
God bless.
I am sorry that you have been left with confusion and disappointment at the bickering within the church. St. Paul felt the same way. Even in that short time, people couldn’t get it right. We are human, and have so many and varied views on how things should and shouldn’t be. Please do not let the contention drive you away, but drive you into a closer walk with Jesus so that you can know what to listen to and what to ignore. Ask for protection from useless arguments – the bible talks about that too.
There are good people in a lot of places some people say they shouldn’t be. What matters most is that YOU are in the will of God, and are worshiping where God wants you. For some it is within the Catholic Church, much to some people’s horror. But if someone had not been there when I needed to know Jesus, I would not be saved now. God has his people in Hill Song I am absolutely sure of that. You will know when it is time to leave. God will open and close doors, speaking to your spirit. People use that verse “Come out of her” for a lot of places it was never meant for.
In today’s world the things we have to look out for are compromise of the Gospel eg allowing the world to dictate what we should believe ie. accepting ‘practicing’ homosexuals into the church and giving it the tick of approval, watering down the gospel, and the anti-Christ spirit. Exactly the same thing Paul warned about. Jesus is God. Anybody who says otherwise takes you away from the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Neither can we dwell light with darkness. So we cannot align with Islam – known as Chrislam. For within Islam – Jesus is NOT God, therefore their god is not our God.
Secret is: Read the bible daily. Pray and keep close to Jesus. Test the spirits – ie. does what someone says line up with the word of God. If not, why not? And continue to love one another.
Apostasy in the church is coming in these last days. We need to be sure of the truth and live by it. Keep short accounts. And pray. Pray. And Pray some more.
God bless.
Excellent reply and very wise ..All i can say to people who cannot believe Christians dispute with each other is that ; this is how the truth is found. The Holy Apostles disputed everything, everyone and even between themselves, to be sure they were following the Holy Word.
Many false ‘apostles’ and ‘messiahs’ have presented themselves through human history, even in the time of the True Apostles, the companions of Jesus Christ..and so the Apostles denounced counterfeits PUBLICLY, and LOUDLY ! as FALSE. It is nothing new……Read the Bible about Simon Magus.
MANY “self-proclaimed” prophets, leaders and pastors have arisen and dare to call themselves Christians..yet the Written Word of God easily exposes these evil / compromised people as counterfeits, by comparing their teachings to the Bible.
Nothing has changed in the year 2014, and we are obligated, nay, COMMANDED !!! to search the Holy Word for verification. If their ‘teachings’ and lifestyles do not match up with the Bible..it is counterfeit.
“But if someone had not been there when I needed to know Jesus, I would not be saved now. God has his people in Hill Song I am absolutely sure of that.”
We know some very beautiful, God fearing people in these cults. They acknowledge Hillsong or C3s shortcomings and desperately try to lead people to God’s Word so that people are drawn to churches that actually love people with the Word of God.
They know that eventually they will have to leave.
“They know that eventually they will have to leave.”
I was thinking the same thing…
~Andy
Caleb, the problem is, that the “Hillsong with all the money” are the ones who are “stuffing you” as you put it – not us.
We would never had known you existed until you posted in. How could we possibly “stuff you” in just a few days – Hillsong has had nearly 2 years, but you still blame us???
If you read your Bible in context, you will learn Bible truth – if you follow Brian Houston’s lead, you will end up in the ditch Caleb – he is, at best a blind guide, and no more.
Stop fighting so much! We’re citizens of Heaven.
“Stop fighting so much! We’re citizens of Heaven.”
The bible makes it clear that people who preach false gospels like Brian Hosuton are eternally damned, unless they repent. Brian Houston is not a citizen of heaven unless he repents of his false teaching.
It is cults like Hillsong that have declared war on God and His church. Just like Muslims, Mormons and JWs, they preach a differenet Jesus, different gospel and operate under a perverse spirit. They justify they are Christian by their works and not by the substance of what they biblically confess. (This appears to be why Hillsong is a non-creedal “church”.)
It is our prayer that Christians who attend the liberal, Word of Cult of Hillsong to leave. These deceitful men have opposed Christ’s instruction to think critically and judge righteously. Instead, they condemn the faithful for holding to reason, to the scriptures and to Christ-like integrity.
If these men are not held accountable to God’s Word, they can get away with anything. This is why Jesus calls false teachers like Brian Houston “lawless ones”. The very bible that gives us God laws is the very bible that Houston twists to elevate himself.
Brian Houston parades himself as a prophet-like Messiah and demands you be responsible to him. However, he is not responsible to you.
This is what makes him and his movement so dangerous. For your sake and good health, we hope you compare Brian’s Jesus to the Jesus of the scripture. We advise you to be Berean.
If Brian repents of his new age gospel and becomes a born again Christian, sites like this do not need to exist.
“Stop fighting so much! We’re citizens of Heaven.”
Stop fighting for what, Caleb? Stop fighting the good fight of faith? This is an apostolic command (1 Timothy 6:12) it is not an optional extra…
Stop contending for the faith, once handed to the saints? Jude says NO! (Jude 1:3)
Stop warning the ignorant of the dangers? Never! See Acts 20:28 – 33:
“28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel…”
Notice that last verse Caleb?
“I HAVE COVETED NO MAN’S SILVER, GOLD OR APPAREL”
Can you honestly testify here on this blog, that these false prophets don’t covet other people’s money or possessions? They couldn’t build their own ‘kingdoms’ without the ‘tithe’ money and the “honour the pastor” scams, as well as the annual “fleece-fests”, which they mistakenly call “First Fruits”. Then there’s the international preaching circuit “offerings” too… plus their normal wage and perks when at home…
Those events, which were legitimate under the Old Testament have become nothing more than money scams, which feed the Ponzi schemes that you call “churches”.
Check out this link to Scamwatch – a government initiative here in Australia, and tell me what the difference is between large mega churches, and ponzi/pyramid schemes please???
http://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/index.phtml/tag/PyramidSchemes
It’s unfair to say that Brian Houston is not already a born-again Christian. I have had my greviences with Hillsong as well but pray for him — it’s not right because many of us who have just come to the Lord are getting mixed and confused signals when I come to sites like this.
If he was a born again Christian his language would not be of the devil’s and his nature would not be so fierce in opposing Christ’s church and those who hold to the Christian faith.
He is the biggest critic against Christ’s church and insists that the church must change or die. He is always militantly pushing on churches that they must be relevant or otherwise they are dead or religious. (His attitude against the Christian faith is very similar to the Mormons.)
Quite frankly, the church would benefit if they turned their backs on Brian Houston and Hillsong. He offers nothing except a false gospel and worldly philosophies disguised as Christian doctrine.
He is the one waging the war against the Christian faith. We’re only pointing out what he is against by correcting his errors to the Word of God.
When Houston says that the Pope is a great man of God. When Houston says that the god of Islam is the same as Jesus Christ , then he is deceived and should be removed as a church pastor for promoting false doctrines and teachers. And Jesus says ;Revelation 18 ; 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Jesus does NOT say to stay there and listen to lies.
We have to keep warning the churched of the dangers of ravenous wolves who have set up churches to make themselves rich. They pervert the true gospel to get people to follow after them. And there are still thousands of followers of Hillsong who need to be warned that this, so called church, is actually a cult built on the foundation of the senior pastor and Hillsong music. Jesus Christ is NOT Lord over this so called church.
I wonder…Will Brian and Roberta Houston confront ISIS, in person, and tell them them that Christianity is the same as Islam?
alllah (the proper name of God of Muslim) and YHVH (the proper name of God/Elohim of Israel) does not same.
Interesting recent tweet from Brian Houston’s twitter account.
“The Church everywhere must pray against the barbaric beheading of children & crucifying of christians in Iraq. All under the name of Islam.” 5:27 AM – 10 Aug 2014
Where are the “therefore we don’t serve the same God” follow-up tweets Mr Houston? Perhaps that might clear the still muddy waters up too much for your own personal comfort – the PC “thought police” might come for you….
We noticed that as well. We have deliberately decided not to address this issue in Hillsong while our brothers and sisters in Christ are martyred.
Are you guys serious? Islam uses the old testament? If this was so than they would realise scripture pointing to Jesus Christ Just as Abraham and those before the beliving Israelites of our generation did.
If Islam and we Christians serve the same God like you guys claim they did back in the Old Testament. Is their proof from the Word of God?
If you claim that Islam is basically the Old Testament than Why is it different to the Old Testament?
If Muslims claim that their holy book has never changed since it was found. And If the Old Testament is different to the Quran how can you say we Muslims and Christians served the same God? How could the The Word of God be the same as the Quran?
Listen very carefully Now. Along time ago the Israelites were warned about Turning from God. Romans 11 gives you a great insight on this Truth I am about to Tell you.
If You (wild branch) should choose to believe in Teachings which have never been taught in The Word of God. Than understand that you will be Cut off. For our God who sent his Only begotten Son Our Messiah and Saviour Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for our Sins Who was than Raised 3 days later by God Almighty has a Title that we Shall Recognise Him by. He is the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob The God of Israel the True Living God. Our Messiah and Saviour King of kings Lord of lords King of the Jews King of Israel is Jesus Christ.
Can the Quran correct me? Does the Quran display the Truth? Does it teach that Jesus Christ is the Only way to the Father?
Has Islam ever announced such Great News in its History from the moment it was found? If Islam claim it has never changed than What will your response be on the day of Judgement?
The God I serve. Has never been the god of the Muslims or the Quran.
And if the Story of Genesis you claim to be the Foundation of your Claims than it has nothing to do with it. First God never said I will Build through his descendants a great Nation (and I will be their God). But It was Isaac whom God Chose. You know the Story. But my point is he said he is the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob(Israel) God specifically chose the Israelites (Humanly Speaking) Who Abraham Established. So Is God the God of Abraham,Isaac,Ishmael and Jacob? No! its Abraham,Isaac and Jacob(Israel)!
No Truths Since Islam never existed in the days of Abraham. And their were many other false gods which do not exist now which might have been worshipped. But allah? Let’s not get confused now Abba father? No! It is The God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob(Israel).
You’re addressing Brian Houston of course.
Yes! Of course I am. God has no Favourites. Although I respect his Position God has given Him as Leader of the Hillsong Church. We can’t let Our Leaders Speak things which is not True! allah has never existed in Abraham’s day so how can we say take it back to the Old Testament days Muslims and Christians served the same God? Let’s keep it Real! We never did and never will serve the same True Living God. The God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob
I honestly have no idea what you mean when you say they’re songs a quite vague. Listen perhaps to a compilation they made, Hillsong – Songs of Communion. Its quite specific that Christ is the One to look to. The first song for example is Nothing But the Blood (of Jesus). Truth be told he could’ve been a little more tactful in how he phrased that, but we are in fact from Abraham, Christian through Isaac and them through Ishmael. Of course they lost the plot long ago. In fact how the Q’uran is set up its very similar to the old testament bible except they’ve “edited” it in a way
Problem is Allah is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He’s a pagan idol from the Kaaba that Mohammed worshiped all his life and picked up as the one true God. He added Christianity, Judaism and various other isms to his mix and none of it is Kosha.
As for Ishmael – Mohammed himself said he cannot trace back beyond so many generations, and certainly not back to Ishmael. Besides his tribe is from Yemen.
Islam is a cult. Began with an angel speaking to someone and claiming something new that he pretended was old. New book and new doctrine. And no evidence for any of it including the angel.
Exactly the same as the Mormons.
If you have not watched the full sermon by Pastor Brian Houston, I encourage you to do so, to get the full context of it. There a 15 Hillsong Churchs’ globally. Impacting & reaching out to people in various & different positive ways.
Before commenting, debating, giving opinions, reflect & ask yourself whats your goal in doing so. If you are not happy or satisfied with pastor Brian Houston or Hillsong church in general, that’s totally okay (if you don’t like a song, you don’t listen to it, if you don’t like a programme on Tv, you change it, simple). I, personally don’t agree with many comments yet will not defend myself in a way that makes me seem harsh or abrupt. I am a firm believer in my faith but am wise in the way I show it.
We so often focus on being right or correcting someone else, that we loose the significance of peace & humility.
Stay blessed awesome people!
( Chanelle, Hillsong church, Cape Town)
* The monkey dance, Youth love it. They come to church. Music/lights/dancing. It attracts them to Church/God. We love it. We still do it.
He is a fake pastor. jesus is the creator… mighty God while islam do not recignize it. So why he said christians and muslims worship the same God ? . Where he put his mind?. That is very simple.
So much information and stalking.. I wonder how your prayer life is.