Before we return to refuting Brian Houston’s bogus clarification, please read the article that started the Hillslam controversy:
Brian Houston: “the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God”
When we deconstruct what Brian Houston is actually doing in his “clarification”, are we witnessing a man operating just as deceptively as the serpent himself? We say this in light of our previous article here:
“Pull the Allah one, Brian” (Part 1)
What makes the entire “clarification” unreliable is the time line leading up to us revealing the clip and the behaviour of Houston that followed. Here is the time line of the events:
1. A commentor on our site gave his witness about the comments Brian Houston made last year in a mid-morning session at Hillsong Conference 2013:
“Brian made the original statement statement in a mid-morning session at Hillsong Conference. At the lunch time Q&A meeting he was questioned over the statement. He clarified to all pastors and leaders present that God and Allah are NOT the same, that he pointed to the prophesy [sic] over Ishmael in Genesis 16:11-12 whose rebellion ultimately against the God of Israel would lead to the foundation of Islam.”
Source: Harry, Brian Houston: “the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God”, Hillsong Church Watch, https://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2014/03/17/brian-houston-the-muslim-and-you-we-actually-serve-the-same-god/#comment-1977, March 23, 2014 at 9:52 am. (Accessed 18/07/2014.)
What does this mean? Brian Houston does not understand Jewish/Christian/Islamic history when supposedly correcting his views.
2. Brian Houston, with his film department, edited and published that specific mid-morning session at Hillsong Conference on the 5th of January, 2014. They DID NOT edit out Houston’s controversial comments.
What does this mean? Well in spite of being asked to clarify his position earlier, Brian Houston did not edit out the Allah claims for YouTube.
3. When we did break the story, the following tweet exchange occured:
@BrianCHouston, actually did say that #muslims & #Christian worship the same God: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frnSIOhlobQ&sns=em … Did he mean it? @hillsong
Source: Matthew Johnston, https://twitter.com/iMatthewJ/status/445644310742958082, Twitter, 12:34PM – 17 Mar 2014. (Accessed 18/03/2014.)
Brian Houston responded:
@iMatthewJ @hillsong Yes it is what came out but No it’s not what I meant Meant that Islam descends from one of Abraham’s sons.. Ishmael.
Source: Brian Houston, https://twitter.com/iMatthewJ/status/445644310742958082, Twitter, 12:55PM – 17 Mar 2014. (Accessed 18/03/2014.)
What does this mean? Brian acknowledged what he said on the day to be, “Yes it is what came out”. In his original session Houston said Muslims and Christians “serve” the same God. This means he sees no problem with people saying he said Muslims and Christians “worship” the same God. (This is important to note.) His tweet also indicates that he still has not decided to research or understand Jewish/Christian/Islamic history. Instead he continues to hold to error.
4. Brian Houston/Hillsong Church then copied and pasted this peculiar response on our site and other places on the internet that were reacting to his controversy:
I wanted to address the issue directly myself and agree that the statement was indeed clumsy in the moment and did not clearly communicate my intention. I was simply making the point that Christians and Muslims both believe that the God of Abraham is their God. I apologise for any confusion and obviously my allegiance is to the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
Source: Brian Houston, Brian Houston: “the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God”, Hillsong Church Watch, https://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2014/03/17/brian-houston-the-muslim-and-you-we-actually-serve-the-same-god/#comment-1903, March 21, 2014 at 10:39 am. (Accessed 18/07/2014.)
Brian Houston/Hillsong Church even went so far as to respond to individuals who took issue with what Houston said. For instance, on Facebook “Hillsong Church” responded with the following to a woman by the name of Sandy Miller:
Hillsong Church Hi Sandy, this is not a belief that Hillsong Church holds. Here is Pastor Brian’s response “I wanted to address the issue directly myself and agree that the statement was indeed clumsy in the moment and did not clearly communicate my intention. I was simply making the point that Christians and Muslims both believe that the God of Abraham is their God. I apologise for any confusion and obviously my allegiance is to the Lord Jesus Christ alone.”
– Brian Houston
Source: Hillsong Church, FaceBook, https://www.facebook.com/hillsongchurch/posts/10152678256965410?comment_id=36559417&offset=0&total_comments=5, Published 26 March at 13:56. (Accessed 18/07/2014.)
These were Hillsong’s two responses to Andrew Casebier:
Hillsong Church “I wanted to address the issue directly myself and agree that the statement was indeed clumsy in the moment and did not clearly communicate my intention. I was simply making the point that Christians and Muslims both believe that the God of Abraham is their God. I apologise for any confusion and obviously my allegiance is to the Lord Jesus Christ alone.” – Brian Houston
Source: Hillsong Church, FaceBook, https://www.facebook.com/hillsongchurch/posts/10152669911310410?comment_id=36559452&offset=0&total_comments=7, Published 26 March at 14:00. (Accessed 18/07/2014.)
Hillsong Church Hi Andrew, someone asked Pastor Brian about this on Twitter, this was his response “Yes it is what came out but No it’s not what I meant Meant that Islam descends from one of Abraham’s sons.. Ishmael.”
Source: Hillsong Church, FaceBook, https://www.facebook.com/hillsongchurch/posts/10152669911310410?comment_id=36452516&offset=0&total_comments=7, 19 March at 09:58. (Accessed 18/07/2014.)
5. Brian Houston then offers this correction – which should now look very questionable to anyone with a discerning mind. Here was Houston’s clarification which we will be analysing for this article:
2014 March
Recently there have been false claims on social media that I believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God. This is incorrect. Those propagating these false statements have taken one sentence from an entire message out of context. I realize that some critics WANT to believe their interpretation, but my prayer is that reasonable people will take my comment in context, accept my acknowledgment that I did not explain this sentence as I intended, and judge me on 40 years of pointing people to Jesus – not one sentence.
For further clarification, here is the context of my message:
King David said about His God in Psalm 119:68, “you ARE good and you DO good”. Who David believed God IS, determined what He Believed God DOES.
The spirit of the message was exactly the opposite of what some critics are claiming. If you listened to the message in its entirety, my point was that; who a Muslim extremist believes God is, determines what they believe God does, and what they believe God loves.
I was contrasting their harsh perspective of (their) god, with who I believe God is – (a Loving God, the Father of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ) and therefore what I believe God does and what I believe God loves. The ONE sentence that critics are drawing huge conclusions from was clearly a (clumsy) way of me explaining that though both Christians and Muslims believe they serve the God of Abraham, they are very DIFFERENT ‘entities’ or ‘deities’ in both nature and action.
I have always believed and will always believe that there is only one Way to God and that is through His Son, Christ Jesus. I also believe that anyone – irrespective of their religious upbringing, culture or background – can find grace, peace, freedom and eternal life through Christ.
Brian Houston
Source: Brian Houston, 2014 March, Hillsong, https://hillsong.com/media/2014-March-Correction, Accessed 18/07/2015.
What is clear in this timeline is:
1. When after making the original statements, Brian Houston “clarified” what he said to the pastors when they questioned what he said about Allah. So why was the video posted, knowing it was contentious?
So it is not just the critics who were alarmed. It seems the pastors were just as concerned as the critics. Does Brian include these pastors as “critics” and unreasonable people who need his prayer to understand what he is saying?
2. Before we saw this session online, lots of people watched Brian Houston say the Allah comment and did not make a complaint. This says a LOT about how biblically illiterate and lacking in discernment people are at Hillsong.
It also reveals how teachers like Brian Houston spin these errors into their sermons without people noticing until “critics” point them out. Why didn’t members of Hillsong point out this error to Hillsong or Brian? Would they be seen as critical? Too judgmental? Unreasonable? Unloving? Why is critical thought absent in these emotionally charged conferences? Why is it that there is no such thing as a critically-minded Christian in Hillsong
3. Hillsong and Brian Houston stood by his original comments on Twitter and other media sites. As a result of this, it should be clear to anyone that Brian Houston hasn’t a clue about the Muslim faith or the Christian faith. (This also comes across in his “clarification”.)
4. When Matthew Jonhston asked Brian Houston if he actually said, “muslims & #Christian worship the same God” in the Allah video, Brian responded, “Yes it is what came out…”
Point 4 is IMPORTANT. Brian acknowldges he said ” “muslims & #Christian worship the same God”. However, Brian in the original video said “serve the same God” not “worship the same God”.
5. Brian Houston didn’t offer a sincere apology. Instead, faithful Hillsong followers and supporters of Brian Houston were clearly upset and critical of his comments. According to Brian in his clarification, these people are now unreasonable, slanderous critics.
All these points serve to help us understand Houston’s sinister approach to his clarification. We need to go through his clarification bit by bit.
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BRIAN HOUSTON INVENTING A FALSE CRITIC?
Brian Houston opened up with this false claim:
“Recently there have been false claims on social media that I believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God.”
This is false. We originally broke the story and claimed that Houston SAID Muslims and Christians SERVE the same God. Other popular critics such as Chris Rosebrough from “Fighting for the Faith” and Ken Silva from Apprising Ministries stayed within Houston’s own words. Frances and Friends likewise used Houston’s own words. Houston constructed a false critic that made false claims against his own words. We would agree with Houston: “This is incorrect.”
Houston continues to attack these “supposed” critics:
“Those propagating these false statements have taken one sentence from an entire message out of context.”
We can say this with confidence, Brian Houston is lying. We are confident people can come to the same reasonable conclusion if they heard the entire sermon of Brian Houston. And people like Andrew Casebier and Sally Miller did.
BRIAN HOUSTON SPREADING FALSE RUMOURS?
There is another element to this sentence that we need to address:
“Those propagating these false statements have taken one sentence from an entire message out of context.”
If people say that Brian Houston claimed that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, they have good reason too.
It was Matthew Johnston who asked if Brian Houston “actually did say that #muslims & #Christian worship the same God”. So did Brian Houston just condemn Johnston for taking that “one sentence from an entire message out of context”? Brian Houston didn’t correct this false statement. In fact Brian answered back saying,
“@iMatthewJ @hillsong Yes it is what came out”.
So Brian reiterated that he had said that Muslims and Christians “worship the same God”. It was both Brian and Hillsong who then forwarded this error to their “critics” such as Andrew Casebier.
It was Brian Houston who spread this error and then condemned even his own members for his own inability to think clearly as to what he said in the first place.
BUT WHY DID BRIAN HOUSTON PULL HIS SERMON?
Still there is a third element in this sentence that needs to be addressed:
“Those propagating these false statements have taken one sentence from an entire message out of context.”
We put up his sermon so people could see the quote in context. We had nothing to hide.
But it appears Brian Houston does have something to hide.
We didn’t take him out of context. It was Brian who pulled his own sermon thus removing any proper context of his problematic statement. To use his own words, it was Brian who took “one sentence from an entire message out of context”. If he wants people to see that the “critics” were wrong, he should have left it up. The only reason why Houston can falsely blame critics is because of his decision to remove his sermon. Once again, this is deceitful on his part.
If Brian Houston has nothing to hide, if he wanted to be clear, he should have encouraged people to look at his sermon to make up their own minds to see if critics took him out of context. The fact he has removed this sermon appears to prove that he had something to hide and that his critics might be right about his misleading claims.
(Notice also how Brian doesn’t specifically name his critics.)
THE CRITICS “OWN INTERPRETATION”?
He continues:
“I realize that some critics WANT to believe their interpretation,”
This is false again.
Brian Houston confirmed to Matthew Johnston (a critic), what Houston actually said. Go figure that one out!
Critics ACCURATELY reported what Houston said. All they did was quote him. There was no misquote. There was no interpretation necessary. Why is it the fault of the critics for accurately reporting something he, Brian Houston, said and confirmed to be true?
His defense against critics continues:
“… but my prayer is that reasonable people will take my comment in context, accept my acknowledgment that I did not explain this sentence as I intended,”
Firstly, if you take it in context, his statement was consistent with the rest of his sermon.
Secondly, reasonable people will see the quote and look at the context. It’s plain.
Thirdly, his sentence above is contradictory.
Fourthly, if you come to your own conclusion as to what he said – you are automatically a critic. If you don’t come to your own conclusion but Brian’s, you are a “reasonable” person who needs to put his “comment in context” by accepting his “acknowledgement that [he] did not explain [his sentences] as [he] intended”.
Typical of cult leaders, rather than encouraging his members to engage in critical thought to think for themselves, Houston wants “reasonable people” to agree with him. Rather than clarify, Houston simply manipulated people to be on his side. If you want to be reasonable – accept Brian Houston… or else remain a critic. Similar to his lecture, “Living for the Master’s Well Done”, he has set up this false dichotomy: are you for Brian or against Brian?
You can start to see how this clarification is far from honest.
SO DON’T JUDGE BRIAN! SWEEP HIS CLAIMS UNDER HIS 40 YEAR OLD CARPET RUG!
He finishes this sentence with this:
“[…] and judge me on 40 years of pointing people to Jesus – not one sentence.”
Once again, Houston is constructing a false dichotomy. The growing criticism against Brian Houston is that he has been pointing people to a false Jesus, and is operating under a false spirit because he preaches a false gospel. We’ve documented Houston doing this a number of times. His claims about Allah have only confirmed many people’s understanding in regards to Houston’s false theology. But 40 years? That wouldn’t be exaggeration would it be Brian?
Brian MAY have been pointing people to Jesus before he started his CLC church. But we know from as early as 1999 (and possibly earlier) that he was preaching a false Jesus and a false gospel. Going on from his book blurbs, he was more busy being a motivational speaker than a pastor. In spite of this, he is expecting people to sweep his lies under his forty year old “evangelical” rug. The problem with his evangelical rug is that it has serious holes in it.
BRIAN HOUSTON THE LIAR?
Brian continues:
“For further clarification, here is the context of my message:
King David said about His God in Psalm 119:68, “you ARE good and you DO good”. Who David believed God IS, determined what He Believed God DOES.
The spirit of the message was exactly the opposite of what some critics are claiming.”
This is not clarifying anything. Instead, Brian Houston is hiding something from you. He is being deliberately deceitful to his readers at this point in his clarification. You need to watch the beginning of his sermon. While he quotes a lot of scriptures, he twists every single one of them to push his prosperity gospel agenda (now refined to the purpose driven agenda). After twisting the scriptures to set up his desired purpose driven message, he kept building on this deceptive framework towards his comment on Allah.
For Brian to say it started with Psalm 119:68 is a lie.
THE SENTENCE THAT UNDOES HOUSTON’S CLARIFICATION
“If you listened to the message in its entirety, my point was that; who a Muslim extremist believes God is, determines what they believe God does, and what they believe God loves.”
“If you?” Brian is talking to people who can’t see his “message in its entirety” because he pulled it down. He is wanting them to take him on his word. Brian, could you please put the message back up so people can see the context?
We did listen to his “message in it’s entirety”. It appeared to us that he was deliberately grooming ministers to shake off their traditional and biblical views of God to embrace Houston’s politically correct “purposeful”, 21st century view of God. His liberal agenda was hidden until we exposed his comments in this sermon. Now magically, this is what he was saying?
In his message, he does not make his “point” clear nor did he say, “who a Muslim extremist believes God is, determines what they believe God does, and what they believe God loves”.
But if this was his “point”, lets examine it.
What point is Brian Houston trying to make if we “listened to the message in its entirety”?
“Who a Muslim extremist believes God is, determines what they believe God does, and what they believe God loves”
This is a confession. If Brian wants us to believe he made this point in his sermon – then this whole clarification is pointless. He still is implying that Muslim’s and Christians serve the same God. Notice the parallels he has made again in his clarification between King David and Muslims.
“For further clarification” and for “the context of [Brian’s] message”:
“who David believed God IS, determined what He Believed God DOES“
“If you listened to the message in its entirety, my point was that”:
“who a Muslim extremist believes God is, determines what they believe God does“
Remember, he never actually said in his sermon “who a Muslim extremist believes God is, determines what they believe God does“. The conclusion Brian wants us to draw with his guidance is still consistent:
The good servants and the bad servant served the same Master but have different perspectives.
Likewise, the Christian (King David) and the Muslim (extremist) serve the same God but have different perspectives.
“… the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God. Allah to a Muslim, to us Abba Father God.”
Brian still has not clarified the issue at all. What is his clarification meant to be saying?
THE TWO-TONGUED HOUSTON?
“The ONE sentence that critics are drawing huge conclusions from…”
This is not true. We specifically focused in on three sentences AND the fact that he twisted every scripture in his sermon. We specifically highlighted Brian’s third and final sentence that claimed Jesus was INCLUSIVE. This is the liberal agenda and Brian Houston is deliberately playing sleight of hand – diverting attention to this fact. This is why we put Alistair Begg’s sermon in our original article because Brian Houston’s false Jesus is inclusive, when in fact Jesus is exclusive until they repent.
“The ONE sentence that critics are drawing huge conclusions from…”
Huge conclusions Brian? So the pastors at your Hillsong Conference session, good people like Sandy and Andy, Matthew Johnston and YOURSELF – were “drawing huge conclusions”? It’s not possible that they took what you said at face value? You wouldn’t be exaggerating would you Brian? You do realise that exaggeration is a form of lying? In this instance, slanderous?
“… was clearly a (clumsy) way of me explaining that though both Christians and Muslims believe they serve the God of Abraham, they are very DIFFERENT ‘entities’ or ‘deities’ in both nature and action.”
Let’s think this through for a second. Houston admitted his fault learlier by saying “I did not explain this sentence as I intended” and now stating, “The ONE sentence that critics are drawing huge conclusions from was clearly […] (clumsy)”. This raises another issue.
What was this clarification about?
Was this clarification meant to be an apology from Houston admitting what he said was “clearly (clumsy)”? (He admits this but doesn’t apologise for his error.) Or was this clarification one of Houston’s campaigns to persuade people that he is right in spite of what those “unreasonable” critics think, say and do?
He appears to be double minded on this issue.
IS BRIAN HOUSTON A POLYTHEIST?
He says some other odd things in this sentence,
“… was clearly a (clumsy) way of me explaining that though both Christians and Muslims believe they serve the God of Abraham, …”
Brian did say something along those lines.
“they are very DIFFERENT ‘entities’ or ‘deities’ in both nature and action.”
And that’s the bit Brian didn’t say on the day. That’s kind of the crucial bit right?
Well this is where it gets even more confusing. We are fine with Houston saying ‘entities’. But ‘deities’? Why would a “Christian” pastor say that a Christian and Muslim worship different deities? From a Christian world view there is only ONE God. It is a monotheistic religion. It appears that Houston begs to differ and in doing so, may be endorsing polytheism? And this doctrine is forbidden by scripture. Is this why he strongly endorsed the highly polytheistic “Noah” movie? Does he need to offer yet another clarification? Surely this is an error. Pastors should never say this.
HOUSTON ROLLING OUT MORE LIES?
Brian continues,
“I have always believed and will always believe that there is only one Way to God and that is through His Son, Christ Jesus.”
While Houston is offering lip service to please his fanbase, his teachings prove likewise. Depending which false confession Houston would have you believe, there is another way he teaches you can be saved.
Brian Houston preaches you can get right with God through your works – especially when you put him first in your finances, which means tithing to Hillsong 10% of your gross income plus a big offering on top of that. According to Houston, you don’t need Jesus if your works can make you right before God.
Houston ends with this:
“I also believe that anyone – irrespective of their religious upbringing, culture or background – can find grace, peace, freedom and eternal life through Christ.”
And we are expected to believe this? Maybe Houston wants to call the deities of different culture’s, Jesus?
Notice what he is saying and what he is not saying here. It sounds great, but he does not specify that such people from such diverse backgrounds have to repent of their previous beliefs in favour of acknowledging Jesus as the Son of God.
By being so vague, he sounds so seeker-friendly, but unfortunately is not alone in this fuzzy thinking. Many pastors of churches all over the world would say similar things without realizing that they have lost the core truth of the Gospel in the process. Specifically that salvation comes through Grace Alone, by Faith Alone, in Christ Jesus Alone.
It is sad that in Brian Houston’s clarification he has chosen to be internationally dishonest. Hillsong should be ashamed of the conduct of their Senior Pastor. This is no way a pastor is to ever behave.
The Lord said He will give us the desires of our heart. I have heard it put that it ISNT the false prophets leading the people astray. It is the people receiving the type of teachers they desire. So fulfilling the promised that God will give us the desire of our hearts.
Isreal desired to have a king like the nations around them. The modern Isreal the church desires teachings and the trappings of the people about them. Brian is not of his own making he is a conjured up enity of the people that stand before him. He hasn’t set the agenda, God has sent his judgement, as His Word promised a judgement by giving the people the desire of their hearts.
The Lord promised that He would give us the desires of our hearts. He Has done this For the Hill song congregation. It isn’t so much Brian leading the congregation astray. But them seeking teachers that will tickle their itching ears.
Same as Isreal desired to have a king like the nations about them. So the congregation of many churches want teachers like the teachers of the world about them.
Brian is not setting his agenda, instead he is part of Gods judgment on this stiff necked generation. A delusion for the spiritual delusional.
Holmgrupe, that is a good point…
1 Samuel 8:7 “And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.”
Though unfortunately for Mr. Brian Houston and all others like him, there aren’t any free-passes. They too will be held accountable…
Luke 17:1 “He said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks come, but woe to him through whom they come!”
“Please pray for … Brian Houston”. Do you really think that? Your whole MO is to condemn him and consistently call him liar, rather than pray for him. I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of your street evangelism. Even the harshest extreme right-wing fundamentalist Baptist, weirdo JWs and SDAs, and hell fire breathing Catholic priests who’ve all thundered down on me over the years are gentler than you guys.
I’m sure I’ve mentioned this before – I don’t tithe. Never have and never will as I don’t believe in it. I give money as I want to, which is rarely. I help people in other ways. If I was saved by putting God first in my finances, I wouldn’t be because I don’t and I never will. I put my faith in Jesus, and trust Him. I don’t believe nor accept everything I hear at Hillsong, as I have also mentioned before.
Just as I don’t accept everything I read here – I accept next to none here.
Dear New taste,
It has been person experience and a knowledge of the Word and a simple understanding of the prophesies of the Word that has led me to a place of knowing something is wrong in the kingdom of Christianity.
The problem is that for all believers we need to choose what is the truth and what is a lie. Then we need the courage of our conviction to state such.
The issue is New Taste, it isn’t that there is a lack of information or evidence of the type of Biblical gymnastics that is being carried on by Hill song or 3C it is the fact that so many want be like these churches and so vermently defend them when questions are or evidence is presented that questions this super ministries. Or seeing your local church that has thrown out its heritage and become all things hillsong or C C C or whoever. It is actually frightening to see people and churches who had Biblical discernment go and put aside their Godly heritage just for the sake of seemingly having a successful ministry.
See the Scripture tells us God gives us the desires of our heart and in this end times age he is providing just the type of leadership people want. What do you want? A leadership that tells you the truth or one that makes you feel better about yourself as you are.
We are told to die to self , I desire that an it isn’t easy and I desire that some how I because Ido desire tolove people (and that isnt easy at times )would like them warned and streared toward truth and real salvation in Christ and Christ alone. God bless you seek Him while still can and when truth dawns I assure you you will understanding deferently as many have come to understand what truth really is and what love really looks like.
Newtaste – to quote well-known Christian rapper Shai Linne, “today the only heresy is saying that there’s heresy”.
We’re surprised Brian Houston’s name didn’t appear on this line-up below although at least three of his guest conference speakers are named, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer and T D Jakes.
Titus 1:13 “This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,…”
So is it biblical to call out false teachers Newtaste? In the text above we have Paul saying, “rebuke them severely so that they may be sound in the faith”. Why is “that” there? So that, for their own spiritual health, they might escape the judgment and condemnation of Christ! To be “sound in the faith” speaks of spiritual health and wholeness. Far from being unloving, it is actually to this particular false teacher’s advantage that he be reproved or to use your word, “condemned”.
By the way, if we can’t trust Brian Houston to examine the teachings of his regular conference speakers, why should we trust his disclaimers about Allah? If nothing else his ignorance of Muhammad’s timeline and the beginning of Muslim faith (around 613 AD), casts serious doubts on his ability to even comment on Allah.
“By being so vague, he [Brian Houston] sounds so seeker-friendly, but unfortunately he is not alone in this fuzzy thinking.”
BH’s fuzzy thinking => has produced => BH’s confused ecumenical fuzzy gospel
Roman catholics, Muslims, and anyone with a big fat bank account….. All Aboard!
“rebuke them severely so that they may be sound in the faith”
Its a honourable, loving and kind goal to correct someone so they could be sound in the faith. after all eternity could be at stake! It is also mandated by scripture that those like Brian Houston who lead others astray and sin publically should be rebuked publically
1 Timothy 5:20-22
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. 21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. 22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.
The book of Proverbs (27;6) tells us that wounds from a friend can be trusted but a enemy multiplies kisses. But what when they don’t listen or repent but worse still these false teachers apply legal force and ungodly means to resist and shut down Biblical correction, what then? Should they (Brian Houston and the like) then be treated as pagans? as stipulated by Mathew 18.
Thought id share, I found many other blogs (from Australia) battling the same virus as Hillsong. Hillsong church watch (and your followers) you might like to check out the link below
http://exposingerror.wordpress.com/
” Brian Houston @BrianCHouston
The Church everywhere must pray against the barbaric beheading of children & crucifying of christians in Iraq. All under the name of Islam.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianCHouston/status/498445601374105600?p=p “
The facade of Houston still blinds you New Taste. Now is no time to promote Houston’s political skills on twitter.
http://www.extremetheology.com/2007/10/the-most-danger.html
” bobbiehouston
Go to bed tonight praying for divine courage, protection and deliverance from this dark, evil “spirit of murder”. #Iraq #persecution #Jesus “Psalm23
Who buries women and children alive. Who beheads children. THIS IS HORRIFIC. #cnn
http://instagram.com/p/rhMcUkoYzs/# “
The facade of Houston still blinds you New Taste. Now is no time to promote Houston’s political skills on twitter.
http://www.extremetheology.com/2007/10/the-most-danger.html
this guy tweets similar things..
and looks like he’s done more than the houstons:
http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/163762-rick-warren-congressman-is-uninformed-about-saddleback-s-ministry-to-the-persecuted.html
and he still loves the one world church as much as they do..
nfg
Sadly I find these Houston/Warren twitter quotes a bit opportunistic. These horrors have been ignored by secular media and highlighted on social media for months, and suddenly after much public outcry – like Obama, they drop two “bombs” and go on vacation! Or back to their usual:
And by the way, Christians were also being slaughtered back on Aug 8 while you were having fun with Tebow, Brian.
yes opportunistic. many in ‘the church’ have become shrewd at using available tools to their advantage.
and unfortunately.. the average public and many true Christians believe superficial chatter. they look up to houston/warren like they’re perfect examples of what a true Christian should look like. ironically, these 2 men do make the rest of us pale in comparison (by works standards).
but i heard this said by either mike ratliff or charles lawson:
“You say you know Him, BUT DOES HE KNOW YOU??”
i think the look of shock on many will turn to horror when they hear:
“away from Me, I never knew you.”
bottom line i’m basing less on what these guys publicly boast about themselves, and more on what they do. because ppl can make up stories using their words, but their actions may betray them..
nfg
In Romans 16:17 and 18, we are told to “mark and avoid” certain people, because of their deceptive and divisive behaviour – why? Verse 18 tells all:
“For they that are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, buth their own belly [belly = desires and lusts – for power, money, influence, notoriety etc] and by good words and fair speeches, deceive the hearts of the simple…” (brackets are mine)
Well I suppose the phrase ‘good words and fair speeches’ covers sermons, articles, as well as Facebook and Twitter accounts too, does it not???
“Well I suppose the phrase ‘good words and fair speeches’ covers sermons, articles, as well as Facebook and Twitter accounts too, does it not???”
it does.
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.” eph 5:11-14
houston / pringle / warren / other wolves don’t fool us (and they don’t fool the brethren discussing this on similar websites either), because we’re very wide awake.
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