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It’s not just Hillsong leadership that knew about these allegations,
“At least 50 pastors in New Zealand were aware of the allegations which Mr Houston did not deny.”
This allegation is very disturbing:
“It’s terrible what happened to AHA but the church has to come first. My father never molested me,” AHA said Brian Houston told his mother.
If Brian said this, then he shows no empathy to the victims involved. Furthermore, Jesus said this about sheep going astray.
“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray? And if he finds it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that never went astray. So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.” Matthew 18:12-14
It is generally understood the shepherd (pastor) goes out to help or save that one, in this case the sexually abused victim. In the above passage, Jesus refers to the lost sheep as the “little one”. Just prior to Jesus talking on the lost sheep, he has this to say about his “little ones”:
“... whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6
Although a Christian pastor will not put the church first before a “little one”, a hireling would.
The ABC reports,
Hillsong church head Brian Houston accused alleged child abuse victim of ‘tempting’ father, inquiry told
The head of the Hillsong church accused an alleged child abuse victim of “tempting” his father into molesting him, a royal commission has heard.
A man, referred to as AHA, told the hearing when he was offered a payout, Brian Houston said: “You know this is your fault this all happened. You tempted my father.”
In a statement Brian Houston said: “I strongly refute that I, at any time, accused him of tempting my father. I would never say this and I do not believe this.”
“At no stage did I attempt to hide or cover up the allegations against my father,” he said.
The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse is examining how Pentecostal churches like Hillsong in New South Wales, Victoria and Queensland responded to abuse allegations against Pastor Frank Houston and two other men.
AHA told the hearing William Francis, otherwise known as Frank Houston, visited his family in the Sydney suburb of Coogee in 1969 and 1970 and would sometimes stay over.
“Pastor Frank would creep into my room late at night, nearly every night of the week. I would be asleep when he came in and then I would wake up with him standing over me,” he said.
“When he was touching me inappropriately I would be petrified and would lay very still. I could not speak while this was happening. It felt like I couldn’t breathe.”
AHA, who was aged seven when the abuse began, also said: “We would sometimes go into an office alone where he would feel between my legs. I remember this happening at an evangelical camp at Windsor.”
Mother refused to accept abuse, said Houstons ‘were like royalty’
He told the hearing the abuse continued over several years until “Pastor Frank wanted nothing to do with me after I reached puberty”.
AHA told the commission that Pastor Frank later contacted him offering compensation during a meeting at a fast food store in the Sydney suburb of Thornleigh in 1999.
AHA said he was asked to sign a soiled napkin to agree to $10,000 compensation and the matter would be over.
When the money did not arrive two months later, he contacted Brian Houston.
It’s terrible what happened to AHA but the church has to come first. My father never molested me.
AHA said Brian Houston told his mother.
AHA said he saw a television address by Brian Houston, who was now the senior Pastor of the church, around the year 2000 when he told the congregation that his father had been involved in a minor indiscretion in New Zealand 30 years ago.
He said he was appalled that Brian Houston did not reveal the extent of allegations against his father, including his case.
“He avoided using the term paedophilia,” AHA said.
“I thought it was corrupt that he had used the phrase ‘involved in a minor indiscretion’.
“As far as I was aware Pastor Frank was still preaching at this time and was also doing seminars.”
AHA said Brian Houston contacted his mother between 2000 and 2004 and said Hillsong had to come first.
“It’s terrible what happened to AHA but the church has to come first. My father never molested me,” AHA said Brian Houston told his mother.
AHA told the commission he suffered from suffered from depression and post traumatic stress disorder and that he felt “dead and emotionless on the inside” due to the abuse.
“What Pastor Frank did to me destroyed my childhood,” he said.
“For many years I was full of shame and fear and embarrassment. Now I feel mostly anger.”
AHA said he would play on the beach with Mr Houston’s son Brian.
“I was so ashamed of the abuse that I kept it inside for many years and did not tell anyone,” AHA said.
When he told his mother in 1978, at the age of 16, she found it hard to accept because she was heavily involved in the church and “the Houstons were considered almost like royalty in those circles”.
AHA said his mother responded by saying: “You don’t want to be responsible for turning people away from the church and sending them to hell”.
The hearing was told his mother did not take the allegations further because she was concerned about the effect on the church, and as a result AHA did not pursue the allegations at that time.
The abuse came to light many years later when AHA’s mother mentioned the abuse at another church.
Counsel assisting the commission Simeon Beckett told the hearing that Brian Houston became aware of the complaint in 1999.
“According to Pastor Taylor, Brian Houston said he was in shock and his father would be stood down from preaching,” Mr Beckett said.
“He had spoken to a barrister who had told him that if the matter went to court his father would surely be incarcerated for the crime.”
It later emerged that six men said Mr Houston had touched them inappropriately when they were children – although only four men would agree to be identified.
Frank Houston did not deny allegations
At least 50 pastors in New Zealand were aware of the allegations which Mr Houston did not deny.
A statement prepared for the Assemblies of God Church, which Hillsong was affiliated to, said there had been allegations of a “serious moral failure by Frank Houston 30 years ago and that he had admitted to the failure”.
But the statement “is only to be used to respond to rumours or if Frank Houston engages in public ministry”.
Mr Houston died in 2004 at the age of 82.
“No allegations of sexual abuse against Frank Houston have been referred to the police and no civil proceedings have been commenced in Australia,” Mr Beckett said.
Hillsong church now spans 12 countries and has 35,000 members across Australia.
Brian Houston said in a statement that the Hillsong Church welcomed the royal commission and fully supported its objectives.
“We believe that exposing child sexual abuse and the response of institutions to that abuse, and allowing survivors to share their traumatic experiences, is a powerful step in the healing process,” he said in the statement.
The commission will look at the church’s current procedures in dealing with complaints of abuse and the protection of children.
The hearing continues.
Source: By Nicole Chettle, Hillsong church head Brian Houston accused alleged child abuse victim of ‘tempting’ father, inquiry told, ABC, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-07/royal-commission-child-sexual-abuse-investigates-hillsong/5795308, Published 07/10/2014. (Accessed 07/10/2014.)
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Brian Houston is a bully and a lier.
I was a member of his church and sinceI left in 2005 I have not been able to go to any church.
The bullying went on for years after I left even followed me into my work place.
Lots of people go to hillsong and that evil conference they have each year is like a cancer in the body of Christ.
He wil lie through his testamoney because he is of his father the devil.
I pray for the Lord to deal with this evil man. Brian Houston has built his house on the sand great will be his fall.
Amen
This man and others like him shall not go unpunished.
I see contradictions coming out of this news today. Actually if anyone can’t see contradictions between Brain Houston and the said victim statement then you clearly are blinded. I am not a supporter of hillsong in anyway but there are a few things a little fishy indeed.
Ian, if you lived in NZ at the time when Frank Houston was running his bible school you would know that the half has not yet been told. If the FULL story gets reveled by this Commission Inquiry then you will be truly shocked. Brian Houston will be sweating bullets at the moment I am sure.
Brian Houston came out saying what he thought of his father. Therefore i find it very hard to believe Brain would also tell the victim it was his fault. Also the victim in this said he could not fully recall the conversation. Something in my head is telling me its the $$$$$.
I’m not defending hillsong here but I’m sure the full truth of the matter will indeed come out.
Ian – The stories of the many other victims are yet to be told.
I know there are other victims but this one account clearly does not make sense at all, can’t you see that in what has been released to the media so far?? I’ve been following closely what has been doing on and what has been said.
I don’t fully believe the victim account of the phonecall he had with Brian about the $10,000 and saying the victim was at fault. Taking into account Brian’s verbal attack towards his father and his total disgust towards him is the reason I doubt the victim’s version of the phone call.
Ian you are as naive as you are ignorant. This was a STANDARD response by some Pastors back then – to blame the victim was what they did and if you don’t believe it then come and speak to me and I will tell you a few home truths. You are deluded and I cannot for the life of me think what your motives are in trying to find holes in this victim’s story. He was a little boy at the time of the offences for God’s sake!!!! Where on earth is your compassion and understanding…………. and why on earth would you ever utter a word in defence of these Pastors and their behaviour. And while I’m at it ………how DARE you make such a disgusting statement that it is all about the $$$$$$$ !!!!! Perhaps you might like to put up your hand and pay for the counselling, medical treatment and financial loss these victims suffered all their lives as a result of the ABUSE (sexual, physical and emotional) of these evil men disguising themselves as loving Pastors of the church. Perhaps you might put your hand up because Hillsong and other churches of the same ilk never have!!!!.
There is only one thing worse than a paedophile, Ian, and that’s someone who tries to defend their actions and further victimises the victims! And that is a creature so low that I don’t have the words to describe it. May God forgive you for the accusations you have levelled at this poor fellow who suffered at the hands of a wolf in sheeps’ clothing and is still suffering even today from the attitude of people like yourself. And incidentally, you couldn’t have been following proceedings too closely ….. the victims account was compelling and very lucid considering his age, the heinous crime and the manner in which the attorneys hammered him in the Commission.
I have to ask you something. Did brian try and defend his dad’s actions?? NO he did not. The church moved quickly to remove him.
Let the Commission do its job, Ian. My concern in my previous comment was that you were attacking the victim and that is not acceptable to me. But as for the evidence in this Commission – one can only hope that everything that has been hidden will come out into the light. I would respectfully suggest that you take a deep breath and wait for ALL the evidence to be given.
Amen to that…well written and from the heart. Defending houston does NOT mean forgetting his victims. Jesus Christ has compassion on these victims… Do you Ian?
Is it worth defending Houston who continues to say his father was a “child abuser” instead of a paedophile? Does that sound better?
It seems that the excuses and the ‘softening’ of sins [ especially for the houston family] in hillsong theology has a VERY long history. P.S. This won’t be in the hillsong Movie.
No doubt this was, and is a deeply painful time for Brian Houston, having to acknowledge his father was a pedophile. Doubting the victim’s version of the phone call and Brian’s “saying the victim was at fault”? I find it hard to give Brian the benefit of the doubt on these events, in light of his ongoing and even more serious mishandling of the gospel over the last 25+ years.
What has the false teaching got to do with this child abuse case, sure his teachings can be off the rails but there is no connection between case and this.
Plus half the people who visit this site also believe in guilty by association too.
I am not denying the cases of abuse but I have my doubts on the witness recall of the phone conversation he had with Brian. The witness also said he couldn’t fully recall the full conversation he told the commission.
Prayers are with pastor Brian, what people have to remember is his dad did this when brian was a teenager and it happened before hillsong existed. Prayers also for the victim even though it happened forty years ago the victim is still suffering.
What kind of person would want to abuse a child anyway? Umm – a demonic sick perverted twisted non human! Why would someone like that be in leadership in church?
Leadership or any position of authority – whether secular or religious – seems to be a perfect spot to “hide”.
Fans and Fervent followers find fault and/or fight those who seek justice against their favourite Führer.
@Thinker – I agree – when i lived in Adelaide in the late 1990’s a case came out in the media concerning “a prominent person in the legal community”. no names were mentioned for a two whole years. Why? It took that long to determine that there were far too many witnesses for this case to “just go away”.
The perpetrator? A retired Supreme Court Judge, who was eventually tried, convicted and sentenced to a lengthy gaol term, but it took years for this process to occur. Anyone else would have been hung, drawn and quartered in short order.
When I did my training as a youth worker back in Y2K, the worst person caught for these crimes against young children, was a man who had hidden in the DoCs office, just across the road from the TAFE college.
He had abused no less than five children over a nine year period, and had gotten away with it, because he was very well “camouflaged’ inside the child protection system (DoCs = Department of Communities in NSW).
Legal people, doctors, teachers, public servants and even some ‘pastors’ – they are all convenient professions for pedophiles to hide behind… Years ago, no one would have questioned their integrity, but not any more………
Austin, quite a long time ago I had several good acquaintances who were survivors of sexual abuse. Their fathers and/or other relatives had been in positions of authority in church e.g. deacons. One of them said she appeared to invite abuse because she experienced abuse from her pastor in her teens as well from family members so she must have been wearing a signpost on her head saying “abuse me” … which I thought was terrible that a middle-aged woman still struggled with self-blame so many years later.
It would be hard enough dealing with the abuse itself, let alone knowing other people would be less likely to believe them because that relative is/was a highly respected church leader. Who would people in the church*want* to believe? Is a child/teenager likely to have the confidence to bring their abuse into the open in such a public setting yet? Of course not.
All these people who assume adults who bring forward these allegations against their abusers decades later are doing this purely for money have absolutely NO IDEA how much courage it takes to open this horrible Pandora’s Box. I have so much admiration for them.
Someone who needed help Annette and was too afraid to ask. It’s all so sad. Pray for the victims.
The help was and is available – it’s called the Cross of Calvary.
Jesus and Paul warned us that in the last days there would be Wolves in Sheep’s clothing .
Where ?
IN the church !
http://webjournals.ac.edu.au/journals/ADPCM/e-to-h/houston-william-francis-frank-1922-/
Follow this link to an early ‘Webjournals’ history of Frank Houston, which shows one of his influences at that time, as being none other than William Branham – a well known false prophet both then and now…
I once had a friend before who I found to be a crook. Now I have noting to do with him but because I once knew him, does that mean I agree with what he does?
God showed me that Wiiliam Branham was God’s Prophet to this end time generation.
His sermons pointed me back to the Bible and I became born again.
Paul – listen to the sermon by William Branham and you might reconsider your view.
http://www.piratechristian.com/fightingforthefaith/2016/2/william-branham-the-bad-root-of-the-nar
William Branham did not believe in the Trinity. He believed in one God, three manifestations (not persons as bible teaches).
http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html
Key points about Branham’s differences with biblical Christianity: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/5870-william-branham.
To prove my above allegation is true, here are Branham’s own words. http://www.williambranham.com/is-there-a-trinity/
Ian, obviously you have never been involved personally in this issue, some of us have. To say that the Church and Houston acted quickly is completely false. It took a number of years for them to fess up and countless petitions and pressure to do so over all this time. None of it reported, it has been kept extremely quiet hoping it would all go away. When the pressures got too much from MANY sources then the $10,000 bribe was offered to go away.
Ian, you are obviously not from NZ and you were obviously not involved way back in the beginning. It was a scandal throughout the Churches then and is still a scandal today.
If this Inquiry goes the right way you will be shocked at what will be uncovered, it is FAR deeper than you realise. Many, many other folk have been deeply hurt over the years and hopefully this will give them the courage to come forward as well.
Houston, mark your days, they are numbered before your self made empire comes crumbling down around your ears.
Ian, don’t be offended by the comments here it’s just that you are prodding what are still open wounds that need healing and you are not privy to all the facts. Keep watching though, they will all come to the surface sooner or later.
I am in no way defending anyone from hillsong, in actual fact I try and distance myself from them. I just see from the original articles of when it took place and what we have in the news and media now.
Now if it was my son or daughter I would go as far as almost killing the person involved. But to put blame of abuse on the church because of the actions of a few I disagree with. I don’t believe in guilty by association which I see with a lot of things written on this website.
I was reading the articles and was not going to comment. Now I must. This was a covered up for thirty years.
I myself Ive not been a victim of sexual abuse but I was a victim of physical abuse by the hands of my father. Constant beating being half strangled was almost an everyday occurrence in my parents home. At the age of 14 police told me it was safer for me to leave and so I moved in with a large christian family. At times i also wanted to kill my father. Self harm was also something I fell into as a kid.
I made the promise to mum to never be like dad and to this day I have held strong to my word. Married now with a beautiful little 9 month old girl and I would never in my life want her to go through what I did.
I do feel sorry for the victims in this case but I do see things that seem a little strange too as I had said before.
You can watch the Royal Commission at the moment Ian – it’s live streaming.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/610f6115-eb55-4d6f-96f8-6b05a4ae4415/case-study-18,-october-2014,-sydney
Very sorry Ian to hear of your difficult start in life.
Great to now see the blessing of God on your life.
The very purpose of a Royal Commission is to open the lid of what has been hidden with sexual abuse.
I was in a Sporting club where pedophiles hung out .
I am now going to the commission to reveal all.
We reap what we sow .
Ian, the cover up by the authorities is well planned.
In Frank Houston ‘s case there are many victims which indicates the cover up job was quite successful by his father and other Pastors.
Well said KiwiPirate.
We need to wait and if we’re really serious, we need to watch and follow this on the screen as it’s Live-Streamed. Never rely on the News Media to interpret for you. Get your information first hand . . it aids you as you pray for truth and justice.
My heart aches for the Victim. He remains suspended and not one Pastor in the BIG Movement comforted him or acknowledged his pain. Empire Building has become the focus. Saving Pastor’s hides follows.
Way back when, my family attended CLC Sydney to listen to “The Bish” preach, EVERY SUNDAY NIGHT!. Now, I feel betrayed and conned.
The ripple effect is mammoth. I doubt Brian realises how crushed many of us are to learn that not once did he embrace the Victim and express his sorrow. Not once. Nothing. Zip. Zero. PASTOR Brain Houston – a misnomer. Wrongly named. A farce.
Pastor = a DOING word !!
We may need to acknowledge that Brian Houston is just as much a ‘victim’ of his father’s pedophelia. Playing the devil’s advocate here, how hard would it be to accept the absolute depravity of such a father. Houston, as his son, again, as much a victim of a father he should have been able to trust, this so-called ‘man of God’. His responses are interesting to watch (as just seen on the news) – he is not the same person we see on the ‘stage’ of his venue, Hillsong. He can’t control this court system as he does so well in his own environment. Its impact, and his vulnerability, is obvious. He needs Christ as much as his fathers’s victims.
Having to face the fact that his own father was a paedophile is one thing that people should have some mercy towards Brian Houston the *person*. The abuser/s’ family members shouldn’t be punished for their family member/s’ sins. People should be praying that God will help Houston through this process of facing reality head-on.
As a church leader Houston did absolutely the wrong thing by covering it up. At the time it appears society wanted everything unpleasant hidden from sight. This is one area that 21st century mainstream society has it completely right – look after abuse survivors, not abusers.
@Churchwatcher, I am one who used to hang out with Houston and Pringle when we were teenagers. To say that Brian was not aware of his Fathers activities even back then would not be true. We all knew something was strange with his father and most of us kept our distance. So much so that we separated ways never to associate ourselves ever again.
In adulthood we did for a few years get sucked into Life Church here in Auckland where head wolf is Paul de Jong, but with Houston on the Board of Trustees it was soon obvious that same yeast permeates the whole seeker driven loaf.
As I have said before, Houston will be sweating bullets hoping that none of his teenage mates make the witness stand, Houston would not appear to be the ‘victim’ he appears to be before the Inquiry now……..just say’n
Kiwi- Are you watching live by any chance? I hear what you say – but some children have an uncanny ability to switch off their parents’ behaviour.
Although I believe there is a hell of a lot more to come out of the royal commission. The cover up happened well before Brian Houston became pastor. He at least acted. Unlike others.
What on earth are these sick people doing running churches anyway. It’s our responsibility to ensure that we’ve dealt with our skeletons in the closet before we are ever in a position of influence for God.
Brian Houston is as much a victim in this sadly. This is being well-handled by the Royal Commission at the moment. And if there are others, and it appears there are, now is the time to speak up.
Whats ” the Bish ? ” mean
Short for “The Bishop”, I believe.
The Commission spoke of the ACC Credentials/then AOG.
Did Brian have to go through the processes to become a Pastor, or was the mantle just handed to him by Frank? It’s a sticking point with me. This is “God’s Business” not family Corporation nonsense & prosperity. The Commission didn’t ask that question. I only wish they had done so.
There are quite a few matters that have been left at a superficial level. Delving into the strong manipulative and domineering haughtiness of Pentecostal Pastors, is something the Commission didn’t even enter into. They have no way of knowing that we were taught to NEVER question the authority of the Pastor – just to submit. I recall Ps Barbara Taylor saying she was just a Pastor in a little village church in Plumpton and they were the ‘big wigs’ (or words to that effect). Being in a CCC Church for a very long time, I was supressed, governed and they stunted in my Walk. Afraid to miss a Service, afraid too many people were in our Home Group and the Pastor was threatened. God sent them . .. we welcomed them and nurtured them. The Pastor called a halt to a Home Group he asked us to lead – and then as the Group grew, so did his position of power and he rose up and he acted and destroyed the beautiful Group. It hurt back then, it hurts now.
For anyone to come forth, would take mighty courage. It’s a POWERFUL “Club” and they close ranks. I’ve seen it all too often. Wounded souls, rejected and made to feel dirty or made out to be liars. It is, by my definition, a disgrace and does not bring honour to God one iota.
Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it – we’ve seen it now for ourselves. God help them.
Disgusted – “Being in a CCC Church for a very long time, I was supressed, governed and they stunted in my Walk. Afraid to miss a Service, afraid too many people were in our Home Group and the Pastor was threatened. God sent them . .. we welcomed them and nurtured them. The Pastor called a halt to a Home Group he asked us to lead – and then as the Group grew, so did his position of power and he rose up and he acted and destroyed the beautiful Group.”
Sounds familiar. Who was the pastor?
@Disgusted – sounds like the doctrine of the Nicolaitans – “power over the laity” Jesus told us in Revelation that He hates it, as it is an Antichrist doctrine – one man lording it over a congregation, was never His plan for the Church.
Here’s a link to an interesting take on the Nicolaitans – see if you can recognise anyone’s name, address and phone number:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/revelation/related-topics/nicolaitans.html
@Disgusted: I know exactly where you are coming from with your Home Group scenario. The group I led (22) had never ever studied a book of the Bible and desperately wanted to. So I put together an exegetical study of Galatians and over a period of weeks we gradually worked out way through the book, verse by verse.
It became so popular that the group rapidly grew to more than 30 and we were unable to fit them all into our lounge room.
This of course came to the notice of the pastors and I was called into the head office to give an account. When I arrived for the meeting there were four of the local pastors there (Paul de Jong was too busy apparently) all of whom were the same age as my son. None of them are ordained pastors, just branch managers for CEO Paul de Jong.
So what was my crime, or in their eyes, sin?
I was failing to discuss the previous Sunday’s sermon(?) (aka motivational speach) and endorsing the pastor’s sermon(?) !!!
So because I was not endorsing the pastors sermons but instead doing an exegetical study of the Word I was told to cease and desist with my Home Group.
Several years later, and having left Life Church way behind, I now look back and everyone who was in our Home Group back then have left Life Church and fellowship elsewhere where the Bible is opened and taught. 🙂
We still run a Home Group and we still do exegetical studies and we still have a lounge room which is much too small at times. 🙂
Keep the Faith my friend.
Home groups are good, I attend 2 home groups a week. I have recently stopped attending church and not too sure if I will return. The pastor of a church I used to attend wanted us to do a video program by Mark Driscoll for our home study groups and we refused. If you don’t know Mark Driscoll he is known as the cussing pastor.
I lost a lovely Greek girlfriend to that hillsong I only hope those dribblers get found out one day it’s a sham it’s a rort just watch the movie leap of faith staring Steve Martin and u will get a better idea on these flips!!!!!!
Can I ask any decent mother that attends that dribbleraton so called church hillsong how do u go there knowing what happened to those boys honestly how can u support the rats or is it the old one its ok as long as it wasn’t my son being fondled and penetrated yea but say it had been!!!!! These people are weak they are always looking searching for answers or looking for forgiveness I lost my girlfriend of 8yrs to those grubs she tried to get me involved I saw through the rort in 10 seconds the people she tried to get me involved with nearly all had the crazy eye’s like that goose Tom Cruise or they was deadly serious types yep 8yrs together my lovely sweet Greek girlfriend and me was together oh yea I did forget to mention she was seeing a hillsong guy behind my back gee that’s mighty Christian of them isn’t it!!!!!!!
Sorry to hear about your experience with Hillsong Greg.
I attended hillsong one night only to please my lovely sweet Greek girlfriend I wasn’t taken in by the razzamatazz the lights the loud music one bit and as for Brian well he’s pretty good at his rort I seen a few chinks in his act they can’t see it the weak saps that go there but I seen a few things on his act he could improve on ok here goes tip one Brian don’t rock on your heels so much its a sign u need something from someone yea money!!! Tip two Brian dont look so confident u have to look lost cause the people u are fleecing are lost as well no more tips Brian u are dealing with a body language expert its how I make my living so guess what I am?