If you are a woman you could attend the neuron-free Hillsong women’s conferences put on by Bobbie Houston, (the next round of Colour Conferences starting in 7 days). Or you could actually tune into NoCompromise Radio and listen to Erin Benziger on the Equipping Eve segment, discussing the issues surrounding Hillsong’s deceptive theology for women.
“So Hillsong church wants to look like the world and wants to welcome women into all kinds of roles into leadership and this and that. Well that’s fine. Hillsong can look like the world all they want. But they need to stop calling themselves a church.
And they may seek to not sideline the girls but they are doing so in direct disobedience to the Word of God. There is a place for women to serve, whether your young or old or married or single or widowed. And Jesus’ own ministry demonstrated that he had a heart for women. And that’s something I would like for us to look at another time: the importance of women in Jesus’ ministry.
But for now, we have to realise that when we seek to usurp the role that God has ordained to be exercised by men, we are turning his will upside down and replacing it with a will that reflects the sin of the world in which we live.” [28:38]
Here is the segment you can read up on and download:
On Women, Roles and Hillsong
First Timothy 2:12 reads, “But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.” What did Paul mean by these words? Are these instructions open for interpretation? And if they are not, why do so many popular, professing Christian women seem willing to violate this command? What is the role of women in the Church? This latest episode of Equipping Eve tackles this controversial topic.
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Source: Erin Benziger, On Women, Roles and Hillsong, NOCO, http://www.nocompromiseradio.com/2015/01/03/on-women-roles-and-hillsong/, Uploaded 03/02/2015. (Accessed 03/03/2015.)
“Erin Benziger will lead a ladies ministry called Equipping Eve that will deal with women’s issues from a Biblical perspective.”
So Erin is the head of a ministry.You know, she’s like a minister; a lay pastor. Women can’t lead a ministry, be a pastor, according to Erin, but she does lead one and is in effect a pastor. Erin provides pastoral care to other women.
Your ignorance about the complimentarian (vs egalitarian) role of women in the church is pretty bad, Newtaste. Maybe you, like Erin, should pursue some Biblical studies yourself? We’ll let Erin answer you herself.
“It’s inevitable. In casual conversation, someone innocently asks what degree I’m pursuing. I say, “I’m studying for my Master’s in Biblical Studies.” And they reply, “Oh, so you want to be a pastor, then?” Sigh.
No. No, I don’t want to be a pastor. If I wanted to be a pastor I’d be attending a liberal, Bible-hating (because if you deliberately disobey the Word you are functionally denying its authority and inerrancy), feminism-embracing seminary. Me? I just wanted to know more about God’s Word. But then I have to attempt to explain to someone who has no regard for the Scriptures why it is that I do not have grand visions of being a female pastor and why I believe the Bible forbids such a thing, and then I stand unsurprised if that person looks at me like I’m a card-carrying member of some angry, anti-woman cult. Although, to be fair, this isn’t always the reaction I receive. I have had people genuinely interested in what the Bible says on the topic, and have even seen some begin to realize that perhaps their own church is not teaching the truth on this issue (and others).
It’s amazing how ingrained this mindset has become in our society. It’s almost as if these individuals feel sorry for me, but if they do, their sympathy is in vain. On my best days, I sin against and grieve my God with my words, deeds and thoughts. Why would I seek to deliberately stand against Him in disobedience and defiance to His clear Word? While God has graciously granted me a love for His Word, He has (also graciously) not granted me a desire to hold such an authoritative position, and thus there is no struggle. I cannot help but question and grieve for the heart of a woman who claims to be a Christian, yet insists upon disobeying God’s Word with her very vocational pursuits. My studies are my pastime. How He will choose to use them in the coming years, I do not know, but even as I grumble over my assignments, I am thankful for this time of study.
So don’t worry, I won’t be signing my posts ‘Pastor EBenz’ anytime soon.” http://www.donotbesurprised.com/2014/05/this-n-that_23.html#more
“So Erin is the head of a ministry.You know, she’s like a minister; a lay pastor.”
2 Timothy 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.
She has an online blog, now plus radio show. Is it a church? Is she preaching online to men and women as if she is a church leader? No of course not – she is doing for Christian sisters what an early church leader Timothy’s grandmother and mother did for him.
The aim is assist women grow in biblical knowledge and spiritual maturity. You know, doing online the likes of Hillsong female leaders will never do for Christian women attendees/viewers as they demonstrate *none* at all…
Even if Erin Benziger was a deacon, or as they so quantily call it deaconess, (why not deacontrix?), she would still be the equivalent of a non-ordained pastor.
In the LCMS:
“LCMS deaconesses are women who are full-time professional church-workers, trained to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ through works of mercy, spiritual care, and teaching the Christian faith. “Deaconess,” from the Greek word diakonos, means “servant.” Because of the strong historic and ongoing human care component in deaconess ministry, The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod’s Deaconess Ministry works closely with LCMS deaconesses across the world.’
“trained to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ … and teaching the Christian faith”. Which is what Christian ministers and pastors do everyday.
Why do you assume Erin is Lutheran, Newtaste? Because she’s a friend of Chris Rosebrough? She has mentioned on her blog that Pastor Don Green of Truth Community Fellowship is her pastor and that church, out of John Macarthur’s Grace Community.
From her blog http://www.donotbesurprised.com/p/about.html
My name is Erin. I am a wretched, wicked, deceitful sinner who has been saved by the grace and mercy of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Having lived for too many years as a false convert, God one day graciously threw me up against the brick wall of my own sin, disobedience, and external, empty religiosity. Bringing me to my knees, He brought me into a full, true and saving understanding of Him. Without the saving work of Jesus Christ’s atoning death and resurrection, I, like all others, would be rightly and fairly condemned to an eternity of torment. Yet He has mercifully regenerated me, bringing me to repentance and faith in Christ as Lord and I desire only to serve Him.
I am not a scholar ; I am merely someone who loves the Lord. I am a daughter, a sister, an aunt and a student pursuing my Master of Arts in Biblical studies. I have lost friends, both “Christian” and unbelievers, due to my outspoken zeal to speak the truth and contend for the faith. This blog began as a way to share with others the dangers and the reality of the “Truth War” in which all Christians are called to actively engage. I pray that my words may glorify Jesus Christ and that His truth may always be spoken without hesitation.
Read more here: http://www.donotbesurprised.com/2010/01/why-i-do-what-i-do.html
1 corinthians 14:34-35
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 timothy 2:11-12
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 corinthians 11:8-9
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1 corinthians 11:12
For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
no women in the churches today obey these commands anymore, thats why we have such weak churches.
where the men are not rising up and being men. men are not taking the authority, god gave to them to lead the churches he entrusted to them.
what we have today is such a watered down and diluted gospel, mixed messages and paraphrase bible translations.
a false chuch, false christians with a false faith and false teachers preaching a false jesus.
who is going to stop these megachurches, spreading this superficial shallow gospel all around the world.
We think it’s about time Newtaste put on his “big boy pants” and acknowledge the authority and inerrancy of scripture.
I’ve never heard of Erin Benziger but regardless heres an education for you…Lets see if it gets posted or not.
Adam had no authority over Eve at all in the Garden, the Hebrew word for her being a helper is EZER. “Helper” used in Genesis 2:18 and 20 is ezer, and it is always and only used in the Old Testament in the context of vitally important and powerful assistance. The word ezer is a combination of two roots, meaning “to rescue, to save”, and “strength”.
The word ezer is used only twenty-one times in the Old Testament. Twice it is used in the context of the first woman. Three times it is used in a military context. Sixteen times God himself uses the SAME WORD in reference to HIMSELF. Ezer describes aspects of God’s character – he is our strength, our rescuer, our protector and our help and ezer was the Holy Spirit’s choice of word to describe the first woman. Eve was someone who would provide valuable and vital strength and assistance to Adam. The Hebrew word kenegdo, usually translated as “suitable” in Genesis 2, gives the meaning that Eve was designed to be a corresponding companion and EQUAL partner for Adam. There is no sense of subordination stated or implied, or even hinted at, in this passage in Genesis 2, whatsoever.
When Adam looked at Eve he exclaimed that she was “flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone”! A profound expression of equality. There is no hierarchy here. The Lord says that when a husband and wife join in marriage, they become ONE flesh – a point which Jesus also highlighted (Matthew 19:4-5; Mark 10:6-7).
God’s ideal at creation was that the husband and wife be completely EQUAL and rule over nature (and not each other) together (Genesis 1:26-28). This is proved by the scripture in the New Testament Romans 8:21 Because ALL creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. All creation, animals, plants, trees shall return to the Eden state free of corruption. God is always working at returning everything to the Eden state that the earth was originally in.
It wasn’t UNTIL AFTER Adam and Eve sinned that God THEN turned to Eve and said that, Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” Gen 3:16 This is a curse which you know Jesus has redeemed us from ! (Jesus has redeemed us from the curse by becoming the cursed for us Gal 3:13) The loving Father of heaven never intended for Adam to rule over Eve.
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, NOR IS THERE MALE AND FEMALE, for you are all ONE in Christ Jesus. Gen 3:28
No more male and female, all ONE in Christ Jesus…hmmm
“Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel came up to her for judgment. Judges 4:4 (A woman speaking in public and judging the men) VS 9 says…Deborah told Barak, son of Abinoam “…but you will not gain glory for the expedition on which you are setting out, for it is into a WOMANS’ POWER that the Lord is going to sell Sisera”
Even on my servants, both men AND WOMEN, I will POUR out my Spirit in those days, and they WILL prophesy. Acts :2:18
Hmmm…..women will prophesy, that would mean opening their mouths and talking in public…hmmmm…. the living spirit of the living God POURED out on them…You can’t shut the mouths of women filled to over flowing with the spirit of God.
And also upon the servants and upon the HANDMAIDENS in those days will I POUR out my spirit. Joel 2:29 Last I heard a handmaiden was a woman.
Women are half the army of God and Satan would like nothing better than to shut them up.
The first person Jesus saw when he conquered death and rose from the grave was a WOMAN. Jesus said to her “Go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” John 20:17 hmmm.. a women commanded by Jesus to go talk in front of a room full of men that he had risen from the dead. (and none of them believed her)
And I will POUR out my spirit on ALL FLESH. Acts 2:17 Wow! ALL FLESH will be preaching to the world in the final season about GOD.
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself over for her Eph 5:25 I mean no disrespect but really when is the last time a husband would love his wife that much? To be willing to be completely crucified for his wife. Having his bones dislocated (Psalm 22:15) and hands nailed to a cross for her, his skin lashed and stripped naked in shame before the world for her, hated by the world for her, mocked and spat on for her, hung on a cross in agony for her and then die for her so that she can go free. Seems Jesus had a much more HUMBLE view about the love for women then men have today.
As a side note I would have never heard anything about God unless my MOTHER had taught me.
My great aunt used to be a street preacher on the side of the road working for the Lord saving souls from being tortured by demons in hell for eternity. She worked her guts out for God. What courage in her days to do that! Like they say if your drowning in a river you don’t care who reaches out to rescue you so long as your rescued.
Just saying…please be careful. Don’t block the Holy Spirit. Scripture says that God is going to use his daughters for his kingdom and end time revival regardless of whether men are offended or not. Yes, they will speak in public and do ‘greater works’ which Jesus said we would do. Raising the dead, healing the sick, going into all the world and preaching the gospel and only the Lord knows what other amazing miracles which are going to astound the world. But I guess I’m just preaching too much…people are always offended by the truth. Come Lord Jesus and let You reign over us.
Your first section – https://carm.org/genesis-2-adam-and-eve-and-authority
“If Deborah was in a place of authority in Israel, why can’t a woman be in a place of authority in the church? First of all, the Bible restricts the office of elder and pastor to the male (see verses cited above). Secondly, being a judge in Israel is not the same thing as being a pastor or an elder in the church. They’re different contexts.”
Read more here – https://carm.org/women-in-ministry
Context, context, context.
“Gal. 3:28, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”This verses dealing with salvation – not church order. You can’t use this verse out of its context and apply to another context elsewhere.”
Your statement here? “Yes, they will speak in public and do ‘greater works’ which Jesus said we would do. Raising the dead, healing the sick, going into all the world and preaching the gospel and only the Lord knows what other amazing miracles which are going to astound the world.”
Yes they did – it refers to the apostles. It’s a descriptive text not prescriptive.
Kingsandpriests – are you a man or a woman or “he who can’t be named”?
Whoever you are, you’re entitled to your opinion, but that’s all it is, when aligned with scripture.
Our perfect example is Jesus Christ. Could you please explain to me WHY Jesus Christ had NO female Apostles? HE could easily have done so…but did not. Is HE in error?
Above question is for ‘YouareallKingsandPriestsinChristJesus’.
An excellent refutation of the kinds of views expressed by Erin Benziger, Chris Rosebrough, and the self-appointed Protectors of the Faith – The Quintity.
NT Wright nails it perfectly.
You’re welcome to go and find a “pastrix” to sit under Newtaste, it’s your choice. Bobbie Houston probably suits you, (“selah baby selah”), she ignores scripture too.
One of the reasons we see women pastors in the pulpit is because of the failure of Christian men to step up and lead.
Obviously a shortage of qualified men where you come from.
NT Wright arguing as the liberal that he is. Wright’s line of argument has been refuted numerous times before and it’s pathetic to see you use him as the higher authority to silence the historical Christian doctrine of Complimentarianism.
You clearly have not been monitoring NT’s fall into unbelief have you NewTaste?
We don’t mind you criticising us. But please, use intelligence. Laziness makes you look silly.
I have been. Wright’s new perspective on Paul is not right. But Wright is correct on women in the ministry.
” Others, however, believe the Pauline passages are all capable of interpretation in terms of the specific pastoral situations addressed by the apostle, rather than as establishing universal norms for ministry. Paul’s statement that in Christ there is ‘neither male nor female’ (Gal 3:27) is seen as the essential NT view of gender distinction, not least in terms of ordained leadership, which is finally, as are all forms of ministry, a matter of God’s call and the Spirit’s gifting. ” Know the Truth. Bruce Milne. Page 303.
That’s the truth.
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal. 3:28).
“The egalitarians often quote Galatians 3:28 in their arguments to justify that women can be pastors and elders. Their reasoning is that since the verse says there is neither male nor female in Christ, then the offices of elder, bishop, pastor, etc. should not display gender differences–since there is neither male nor female.
The problem with this interpretation is that the context of Galatians 3:28 is dealing with salvation and not church office qualifications. Contextually, Paul says in Galatians 3:24 that we are justified by faith, and that we have been clothed with Christ (v. 27). In 3:29 he speaks about us belonging to Christ. So, there is nothing in the context to signify that women can be elders or pastors.
A closer look at Galatians 3:28 will reveal that Paul is showing there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. This is important because the Jewish people understood the Messiah was coming only for them (Matt. 15:24). Paul negates the distinction of nationality regarding salvation as he also negates the distinction of slave and free, male and female. He says, “you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
The phrase “in Christ” occurs 90 times in the New Testament. It is used to designate those who are saved. The Bible uses the phrase “in Christ” to tell us that we have redemption (Rom. 3:24), are all live to God (Rom. 6:23), have escaped condemnation (Rom. 8:1), are approved before God (Rom. 16:10), are sanctified (1 Cor. 1:2), are made new creatures (2 Cor. 5:17), are God’s workmanship (Eph. 2:10), have been granted grace (2 Tim. 1:9), and have obtained salvation (2 Tim. 2:10). There are many more, but this will demonstrate the point well.
As we see from the above paragraph, the phrase “in Christ” is a designation of our relationship with God through the person of Christ; we are in Christ. Consider 1 Cor. 15:22 which says, “For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive.”
So, Galatians 3:28 is not about women in ministry but about those who are “in Christ”–those who are saved. Therefore, it does not support the idea of women elders were pastors.” Matt Slick
“But Wright is correct on women in the ministry.”
Can you give us a more clearer example of Wright’s view on women in ministry then? From what we have seen, he has used Gal 3:27 like many liberals to suggest this passage is about giving women so-called “equal” footage into pastoral ministry.
Quoting Matt Slick? He’s a charming gentleman. http://www.mmoutreach.org/slick.htm
Dig any deeper for dirt, Newtaste? All this in your determination to prove that Bobbie Houston has an “awesome” calling to preach the whole counsel of God?
“Selah, baby, selah.” #bobbiesfavouriteverse #notinthebible
Seriously Newtaste, you can just call Matt Slick – he provides a number. He obviously has no qualms about sharing BOTH sides of this story. Just type Cheryl Schatz’ name in his website’s search engine.
There’s more but you can do you own research, along with the 60,000 who visit his site each day.
The link I posted from NT Wright sets out his views fairly clearly.