From Emergent Watch we share the following article:
Hillsong TV Channel exemplifies what is wrong with their Theology.
If there are any lingering doubts about exactly WHAT Hillsong Churches are all about, this should put them to rest: Consider the new “Hillsong Channel” [TV], and look at the programs they carry! The Word Faith heresy is represented by such luminaries as Joyce Meyer, James Robison, Joel Osteen, Joseph Prince, John Gray and Jentzen Franklin. Other aberrants include TD Jakes, Steven Furtick and contemplative promoter Max Lucado. There is not one true Biblical teaching program on the entire channel, which is now carried globally via Satellite! For a limited time, Hillsong Channel is “free” for now, but soon will be proprietary pay-2-view. Follow the money!
Just to show you a glimpse of what Brian & Bobby Houston are really all about – They have created a “Leadership Network”, where you too can be an official Hillsong “Leader” – in the Hillsong Leadership Network – when you sign up for the Leadership Church Membership – Now only $500.oo a year (Aust. dollars) >>> See: https://hillsong.com/network/
Their network page says, “Connect with the Hillsong team and Network pastors to get access to resource and to join a group of people making an incredible difference around the world.” Brian Houston boasts, “The Hillsong Network is close to my heart…” …We can only imagine!
Hillsong Church Watch 
I do not understand what’s your issues with James Robison and Jentezen Franklin, or where they are at fault in their theology. I am very open to and keen to know what these people are teaching is incorrect or misleading or in error. As for the other names mentioned I do agree with you that there is something gravely amiss in their understanding of bublical doctrine. In the service of the King of Kings, Glenn Robinson.
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Search for whom Franklin and Robison associate with *frequently* in real life and on which TV channels they appear.
Are those associates:
bible believing Christians or prosperity preachers?
lovers of truth or unity at any price?
discerners or openly accepting (of all people who claim to be Christians)?
Search for which conferences Jentezen has appeared at in last five years/ Robison ‘s regular guests e.g. Beth Moore.
How many of those speakers would also get an invitation at more educated venues e.g. speaking to theological students/ fellow pastors OR
what are those other speakers track records e.g. moral failings, history of false teachings/ prophecies, “narcegesis”? http://apprising.org/2012/01/12/narcigesis/
James Robison — 1. Was a co-leader in the delegation to meet with Pope Francis. That alone is a major tip-off to his apostasy. He places False Unity with the Pope above Correct Unity with other believers revolving around Correct Salvation Doctrine. 2. He’s very Word of Faith ($$$). 3. Robison invited heretics such as Dallas Willard and Ron Luce to his Leadership Summit. 4. False teacher Beth Moore is on Robison’s media. 5. See link below:
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/robison/general.htm
Jentezen Franklin — 1. Spoke at Ed Young Jr’s C3 Conference, which is a tip-off he’s fallen into the apostasy taking place. 2. Also spoke at Morris Cerullo’s World Conference, check out Cerullo he is real bad news. 3. Franklin teaches the false teaching of “tithing”:
http://www.jentezenfranklin.org/posts/give-god-his-tithe-3
4. Jentezen Franklin’s church played Michael Jackson’s “Thriller.” Ask yourself why would they do that.
Hope that helps Glenn. Nice to see you are asking some good questions and looking for answers.
This is a bit long but have a few thoughts…
People have a choice over which way they go. Christians who know the true gospel will know through the Holy Spirit if/when teachings are amiss and they have a choice if they continue be influenced. Hopefully they will choose the right way and leave it alone, no matter if it’s Hillsong, Hillsong’s speakers or another church. And, instead, relish in reading the Word and listening to good, solid bible teaching. This is so enjoyable and sets people free! Just like Jesus came to do.
Unfortunately seekers and others who don’t really know the true gospel may become caught up in hype (e.g. Hillsong) and ‘off’ theologies – to their detriment. The evil one is good at appearing as light, but of course is anything but.
I think Brian and Bobby are Christians who have gone off course. They think that people will only be saved through them being ‘relevant’ through their style of church. I believe they/their intentions started off well (Frank Houston’s influence aside) but have just become hoodwinked about the method in how to serve the Lord, how to build the church, how to evangelise. It now appears they can’t stop striving for more money and popularity ($500 for a leader membership and the cost to attend some of their events). They show that they are willing to sabotage the true gospel by having speakers on their channel (as they do in their ‘church’) whose teachings/doctrines are questionable in the least. Remember that the evil one mixes truth and error. Christians who love the Lord are obedient (and if they fall they get back on track, with repentance) and wouldn’t alter the truth or put it in second/third place to money and popularity.
It saddens me that Hillsong and Brian Houston repeated show they aren’t accountable. There are many, probably thousands (not sure how many) of people and churches who are saying the same thing, that their teachings aren’t balanced. But Hillsong don’t listen (repeatedly). They want to silence their critics. Such a viewpoint then is actually against free speech! Not having free speech oppresses people. Again, against what Jesus came to do – bring freedom! (Though we do need to say the truth in love).
The Hillsong Channel choice of speakers clearly speaks volumes about their values, which is Prosperity Gospel and Word of Faith…maybe even Catholic and New Apostolic as well….(what do you think?). Of course there will most likely be some correct biblical references and interpretations but then intermingled with their ‘off’ interpretations/theologies, causing confusion and oppression, causing people to stumble.
Of course, there is some truth in their teachings/music. If it was all ‘wrong’ people would brand them accordingly. Hillsong have produced some enjoyable, popular and lyrically sound music, but some of it is wrong, ‘off’ or just plain terrible.
The warning has gone out for centuries! Do not mix truth with error! 2 Peter 3:17
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Only those who know the truth will know the difference! 1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Deception abounds more and more as we see that day approaching!
this hillsong tv channel $500 ripoof is bunch of garbage. nobody in there right mind should pay this. ever.
“Its a franchise. They are treating it like a franchise.”
‘franchise’?? haha. this hillsong church is a franchise. and they re treating it like a franchise. takeovers and all !!
“His drive, passion and belief in people coupled with his strong business acumen and Godly wisdom”
‘Godly wisdom’?? dont kid yourself hes just another part of the hillsong business capital earning ventures. this garbage has nothings to do with salvation & Jesus Christ & the Gospel. if you think it does…. you are fully out of your mind!!
“Its a franchise. They are treating it like a franchise.”
this is the same moneychangers franchising that Jesus through out of the temple. he hated them turning God’s house into big money making deals and i do too. bunch of lies
The bible states you can judge if its in a way to help. you judging Pastor Pedro is not helpful at all. You are trying to be judge, Let God do his job. Just because you dont understand Pedro calling does not make it wrong or right. I believe he is following Jesus even if you dont understand it. He brought me to meet Jesus and create the most beautiful relationship with him. So why would you say otherwise. Because it does not fit into your idea of Religion. Dont try and put God in a box. He has many ways of doing things. If Pedro was sinning and you could help restore him that would be a time to judge and try and restore him. But thats not the case.
Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore them gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Galatians 6:1
You are judging because you dont understand and it does not fit into your idealism of what is right. You are doing the opposite of helping. By creating this turmoil you push away the non believers. If i didnt know Jesus and saw this discussion I would run. Whoa i dont want any part of that “religion”
Christianity is simple. Its come as you are accept Jesus repent and he will begin a relationship and walk with you until he restores you. Everyone walk is different. If you dont understand it thats fine. Do what works for you but dont condemn others for trying them to bring lost souls to the lord. Pastor Pedro im sure has brought more souls to meet Jesus than you or I. Our job is to lead the flock to Jesus and spread the message of what he did in our lives from a position of love.
Yes God punishes yes i fear his wrath but is that what you want to promote. He clearly stated thats not what he is. He is a God of love and understanding,. Now if one abuses his grace that is something else.
I dont know who hired you guys as the False profit police. Thats not your purpose in life. Let God correct his children. You were called upon to love they brother and sister and spread the gospel. How is calling out a fellow brother a false profit christian like just because you dont understand his way of teaching. The fact remains Pedro has saved thousands of people. He has made a huge positive impact in this community and brought people to meet the lord that would have never if it was not for him. Maybe it dont start off as the ideal christian walk but hey it started and God does the rest,
I do speak a lot by feeling because its whats in my heart and my Christianity has made me very transparent. However my feelings are in line with the teachings in the bile. I dont follow Pedro i follow Jesus. Thats why i didnt leave Calvary when Pedro left because Jesus didnt leave Calvary. I wish the best for Pedro life and thank him for introducing me to my father. But he was simply a vessel that God used to get to me. My walk grew when i accepted Jesus and began to serve, attend multiple service, bible studies,read the bible, and meetings every week,. Pedro simply helped me take that first step in faith. God did the rest. Pedro didn’t save me Jesus did.
you argument of 2 Corinthians 10:5 is voided because i dont elevate anything over the word of God.
Im not going to continue this argument because its clear to see everyone heart on here is not in a position of love more of judgment and being argumentative. It dont matter whos wrong or right. This is not the point of Christianity. God does not want to see hiis children fighting over what this feel is right or wrong.. He just wants you to know him and have a relationship with you. All this is doing the opposite of making Christianity welcoming appealing and loving.
I will continue to spread the gospel and tell everyone what Jesus saved me from, what he did in my life. I am a living walking miracle. I have a job and thats to tell the world of Gods love. I pray for you guys to do the same.
“However my feelings are in line with the teachings in the bile [sic]….
you argument of 2 Corinthians 10:5 is voided because i dont elevate anything over the word of God.”
If the bible said one thing and your feelings said another, who would you follow?
What did the apostle (whom Jesus loved) teach about those who preached another Gospel? If anyone had the right to use the personal feelings about his relationship with Jesus to guide him it was the apostle John! Note verses 9-11. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+john+1&version=KJV
Would YOU be willing to follow that commandment?
“Im [sic] not going to continue this argument because its clear to see everyone heart on here is not in a position of love more of judgment and being argumentative.”
1. You’re being judgemental AGAIN.
2. Whose definition of love – Hillsong’s or the bible’s? Note verses 5-6. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+13&version=KJV
“God does not want to see hiis [sic] children fighting over what this [sic] feel is right or wrong.”
Did pastor Pedro teach you that? And people wonder how so many people fall for cult leaders and have their lives destroyed as a result….. PLEASE for your own spiritual wellbeing stop using personal feelings about a mere man as your spiritual guide.
What does the BIBLE say? Note verses 2-3.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+4%3A1-4&version=KJV
How well did Pastor Pedro/ Hillsong leaders compare to the following entry about Grace versus Holiness? http://www.gty.org/Blog/B160812/grace-vs-holiness
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P.S. There are many websites like Apologetics Index which document the sad stories of people who listened to their feelings about cult leaders and not their reasoning abilities. e.g. mass suicide by Heaven’s Gate cult members. http://www.apologeticsindex.org/496-heavens-gate.
I pray that you learn to use your brain to glorify God as well as your heart. Just like the rest of us you will held be accountable to God for what you have done with the truth you have learned.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
“The bible states you can judge ***if its in a way to help***.”
Chapter and verse please for the small print please.
“Dont try and put God in a box.”
1. That “commandment ” is adding to scripture. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A18-19&version=KJV
2. Double standards. You are being judgmental by claiming critics are putting “God in a box”.
“Its [sic] come as you are accept Jesus repent and he will begin a relationship and walk with you ****until he restores you****.”
Chapter and verse for that claim please. Why would God leave His own child e.g. when life circumstances improved?
Matthew 28:20 [Jesus said] “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo,***** I am with you always*****, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
“Pastor Pedro im [sic] sure has brought more souls to meet Jesus than you or I.”
James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Therefore, God has higher standards for Christians in position of authority. They set followers an example to follow. What example did Pastor Pedro set/ Hillsong leaders currently set their followers? Are they up to God’s holy standards?
In John 10:10, Jesus said, “……….I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.”
Jesus came to give something, not to get something. Christians are given abundant life at the moment of salvation. However, that life is “abundant” from a heavenly perspective, not an earthly perspective.
The above is quoted from, http://www.compellingtruth.org/abundant-life.html.
Read a further discussion of what Jesus means by ‘abundant life’ from the above website. This website seems to be biblically sound.
Brian Houston and Hillsong appear to, however, see abundant living primarily from an earthly perspective. I’m reading Brian Houston’s book, “Live, Love, Lead”. I didn’t buy it, someone gave it to me as a present. It’s hard going (taking me a while to get through). Every now and then I wince at some interpretations, especially Brian’s repetitive exhortations to live an ‘large, big, open, expansive life’. Most would agree this is not wrong advice, but is it the right thing for a Christian preacher to be emphasising? Is this really what Jesus means by giving us life in abundance or giving us life in all its fullness? I think Brian’s emphasis falls short of what Jesus means.
Take this interpretation of 2 Cor 6: 11-13, which Brian references in his book “Live, Love, Lead”, p179. He states it is from The Message and I checked on google, yes it is from The Message.
Brian writes:
I love the way Paul spoke to the Corinthians about life with Jesus. “We didn’t fence you in. The smallness you feel comes from within you. Your lives aren’t small, but you’re living them in a small way. I’m speaking as plainly as I can and with great affection. Open up your lives. Live openly and expansively!
Interesting, but I don’t think it is similar in meaning to my New Living Translation, which is:
“Oh, dear Corinthian friends! We have spoken honestly with you, and our hearts are open to you. There is no lack of love on our part, but you have withheld your love from us. I am asking you to respond as if you were my own children. Open your hearts to us!”
Also, considering the context, previous verses talk about Paul’s hardships; living in such a way that no one will stumble because of them, preaching the truth always, regardless of the consequences and the last part is about owning nothing but having spiritual riches (something Brian omits from his book and his theology).
So the two bible versions seems quite different, eh? What do readers, Thinker of Churchwatcher think? And what do you think about this related issue, whether The Message is a reliable translation? To me, this passage in the NLT version speaks about love and relationships being a priority, and is really a plea for a loving relationship between the two groups. But The Message version doesn’t say this. It omits the words: love, honestly and hearts, although the word ‘open’ is in both. It omits the plea for a loving relationship between the groups. My thinking, the “Live openly and expansively” replacement exhortation probably means different things to different people and is easily equated with living selfishly, extravagantly or taking unwise risks.
So overall, as believers we need to be careful what we read and take in. As for bibles, I like my NLT version, don’t own and not likely to own The Message, and am considering buying a King James version.
My passage isn’t directly linked to the TV channel discussion, but only that Brian’s/Hillsong’s off the mark teachings will no doubt be what viewers experience. However, God can work through this, and I pray that people will be led by the Holy Spirit to the truth.
I must admit at first I thought the Message must have just been a different interpretation of the original texts and even quoted it online to non-Christians because I thought then they would understand the bible easier that way (definitely regret that now!). I did notice the discrepancies compared to other translations though and never used it as my primary text for my own reading like Hillsong consistently does.
Wikipedia states that even the author Eugene Peterson feels uncomfortable with its use in churches.
“When I’m in a congregation where somebody uses [The Message] in the Scripture reading, it makes me a little uneasy. I would never recommend it be used as saying, “Hear the Word of God from The Message.” But it surprises me how many do.[4]”
Over time as I became more aware of decent apologetics and Christian discernment websites I learnt he did NOT directly translate it as reputable bible translators do. I would never recommend this text to anybody now.
e.g. Christian apologist Justin Peters, who specialises in exposing Word of Faith false teachings. http://justinpeters.org/images/TheMessage2.pdf
From discernment website which specialises in how the occult is infiltrating modern society, including the Christian church. http://www.crossroad.to/Bible_studies/Message.html
For all links in second website – Mature Audience. Approach with caution, and please pray for spiritual protection before reading it.
Preferably only people who are secure in their faith/ be prepared to study what the bible says about the end times AND Jesus’ victory over Satan should be the ones reading it. Young Christians unfamiliar with God’s power and control over ALL things might get quite alarmed.
“Brian writes:
I love the way Paul spoke to the Corinthians about life with Jesus. “We didn’t fence you in. The smallness you feel comes from within you. Your lives aren’t small, but you’re living them in a small way. I’m speaking as plainly as I can and with great affection. Open up your lives. Live openly and expansively!”
aj youre right thats typical standard prosperity preacher mumbo jumbo. prosperity preachers cannot rightly divide the Word and is amazing how frequently they twist and contort verses to make it appear Bible wants you to be: rich, famous, successful, completely happy, satisfied.
on side note i dont trust Message Bible at all. author was Eugene H Peterson whos an emergent type of christian.
http://www.google.com/search?biw=1802&bih=816&q=problems+with+the+message+bible+translation.
sorry havent looked at NLT enough to give you specifics on that one.
Thanks Regimento and Thinker for thoughts and links. I’ve looked over and bookmarked each for further research and to forward to others. The one by Justin Peters clearly shows the difference in meaning between several biblical translations and The Message. It’s very disappointing The Message is so poor, even as a paraphrase. Very alarming that Eugene has erased the sin of homosexuality in his book, replacing it with ‘abuse of sex’.
Many Christians are ignorant of the way HIllsong and other preachers use The Message to twist the truth. I have been somewhat ignorant too of this. Am grateful for this website to help me and thousands (hopefully millions of others) know more about the perversion happening in Christian circles in multiple ways.
One thing I’ve been pondering lately is whether all this perversion is being allowed by God to test those who are really His (as we are to worship in spirit and truth). It goes without saying what’s happening is many aren’t worshipping in truth.
This is despite the push in schools (for some time) the world over (developed nations at least) to develop higher order thinking skills and critical thinking!
The Holy Spirit would be prompting believers to get out from under such teaching. (but many are obviously closing their ears). Also they aren’t seeing the warnings in the NT about false teachers and see this links to, for example, the prosperity gospel and the tithing push. When I prayed that God would show me the truth about tithing, I was led to the NT teachings about false teachers and was enlightened by reading Galations a few times.
It’s alarming too how widespread occult teachings are embedded into online games, movies and popular culture which impact everyone, especially the younger generation.
The message to believers is clearly to get more educated about what’s going on and keep praying for those snared by incorrect doctrines and charismatic pastors. Of course, we should be praying for these preachers too, to realise that there will be consequences for continuing to pervert/add to and subtract from the bible and the gospel.
(Just a note to clarify what I meant in my post before last when I used the word ‘terrible’ to describe some of Hillsong’s songs. I recently heard one of Young and Free’s latest on Christian radio but couldn’t hear the lyrics at all. It sounded like any other latest hit – cringing, I turned it off).
I believe that all the mentioned pastors are the servants of God. Who are you to judge another man’s servant? If you don’t agree with them or don’t like them, then don’t watch them. But to judge with condemnation is wrong. If you are condemning them for having a belief that is wrong, consider that you also may have a wrong belief. If we are judged with the same judgment with which we judge others, then I personally would err on the side of grace and mercy… not judgement and condemnation. Just a thought.
https://carm.org/what-does-you-shall-not-judge-mean
http://www.watchman.org/articles/other-religious-topics/accountability-the-way-to-touch-gods-anointed/
“I believe that all the mentioned pastors are the servants of God.”
‘Believe’ away. Jesus doesn’t care what you believe about these false teachers. He cares about what they do to His Word.
“But to judge with condemnation is wrong.”
So how do you claim to be a ‘Friend of Jesus’, when Jesus says the exact opposite to you? Why are you making the one you claim to love out to be a liar?
I don’t get my theology from a website. I read the Bible and I am led by the Holy Spirit. Show me something in the scripture that says I am making Him out to be a liar. You are spreading hate over differences in theology. Jesus said you would know you are his deciples by your love, not by your doctrine. I agree that there are false teachers out there, but are you going to tell me that not one person has been brought to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ under any of these preachers? What about the missions they run that are bringing women out of human trafficking, or the wells they are drilling for those who don’t have clean water? God is in control. As for judging please send me scripture saying I should condemn people. I have seen that you will know them by their fruit, or you can judge disputes between people. Neither of which speak of condemning a person. By the way, Jesus indicated we should not neglect tithing, and Paul talks about taking up an offering. I think we need to remember that this is a relationship with the Lord not just a religion made up of dos and don’ts. Everyone of us goes through a process after being saved called sanctification. We should not judge where people are at on this walk with Jesus. He came not to condemn but to save, and he died for us while we were at enmity with Him. Let’s remember that no pastor teacher or motivational speaker is or example. We are to follow Jesus.
” I read the Bible and I am led by the Holy Spirit.”
Don’t lie to us.
“Show me something in the scripture that says I am making Him out to be a liar.”
“Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” John 7:24
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.”
Matthew 7:6
So far, you’re trampling the plain teachings of Christ underfoot. So either take your Christian faith seriously or repent of your wickedness and turn to Jesus, who died to forgive you of your sins.
Friend of Jesus…. In reality, you are neither a ‘friend of Jesus’ nor a ‘friend of His Word.’ You may ‘read the Bible’, but you obviously do not understand what you are reading.
I believe you are taking that verse out of context. If you read who He is saying that to it is to the religious ones of His day that were picking at everything trying to find fault with Him. I would encourage you to read Matt. 23:24-28. Read everything in context. I wish you would not be so judgmental, hateful, and sarcastic. If we disagree we could at least disagree in love. Dig into scripture. Pray for understanding. Don’t lose focus of the Gospel.
“If you read who He is saying that to it is to the religious ones of His day that were picking at everything trying to find fault with Him.”
Typical NAR cult-like talk right there. The hateful one’s are those like yourself that accuse Christ’s disciples for being Pharisaical. The Spirit that lives in the disciple is also called the ‘Spirit of Truth’. They actually care about the truth.
You are right in one sense. Jesus did not tolerate the “religious ones” and did rebuke them in Matthew 23. However, those “religious ones” were the false prophets and teachers. The ones that Christ pointed out in Matthew 7:15-21 he would condemn. On this note, Christ has made it clear that men like Brian Houston, Phil Pringle and Kong Hee are no different. He aptly describes them as “wicked”/”lawless” ones. And their lawlessness and wickedness has been fully exposed on these websites. Men like Brian Houston and Phil Prigle have covered up paedophile scandals. Those they defend and exhort like Kong Hee have financially defrauded church members and have lied publicly in court.
Yet when these wilfull acts of disobedience have rightly exposed by secular powers – you have the audacity to claim we are the one’s unloving?
It boils down to this. You are standing with Christ’s elect or you are standing with the eternally damned: those that preach a false gospel that promote lawlessness.
Note: we haven’t stopped preaching the gospel that is clearly laid out in scripture. Just like other avid defenders of these frauds and liars, your baseless accusations only prove that the truth is not in you. Don’t say ‘at least disagree in love’ if you refuse to dialogue honestly on these sites. What you are offering is no love at all but deceit and slander. Up your game chap.
“You are spreading hate over differences in theology.”
No, that’s what Brian Houston does.
“I agree that there are false teachers out there”
Oh you do? Then try to NAME some…. WITHOUT doing some judging.
“What about the missions they run that are bringing women out of human trafficking, or the wells they are drilling for those who don’t have clean water?”
So what about them? Matthew 7:22-23…. “On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”
“As for judging please send me scripture saying I should condemn people.”
You are very confused. Exercising RIGHTEOUS judgement is not condemning anyone. It is BIBLICAL.
“By the way, Jesus indicated we should not neglect tithing”
Verse please. AND show where the disciples ever tithed. Notice that they DIDN’T. EVER.
“I think we need to remember that this is a relationship with the Lord not just a religion made up of dos and don’ts.”
That is what’s known as “man-made philosophy.” What you NEED to remember is Bible Scriptures only.
“He came not to condemn but to save, and he died for us while we were at enmity with Him.”
Red Herring. This has NOTHING to do with exercising RIGHTEOUS judgement based on the criteria found in Scripture.
“We are to follow Jesus.”
Another Red Herring. This has nothing to do with the False Teachers discussion. NOR the judgment discussion. It is just you rambling on in a pontificating manner.
Matt 23:23 luke 11:42 jesus indicates we should not neglect tithing. And your right the deciples never tithed(10%) they gave it all (100%) read act 2. What is the true Gospel? What is this false gospel hillsong teaches? What church is the correct one?
“Matt 23:23 luke 11:42 jesus indicates we should not neglect tithing.”
NOPE. Jesus was NOT indicating that we Christians should not neglect tithing. You totally read that into these passages.
Now again, give chapter and verse where Jesus told us to tithe (and without misinterpreting / twisting the verses). You cannot because it’s not in the NT.
Typical HAW cult bible-twisting response.
True Gospel- all about Jesus: http://www.ligonier.org/blog/what-is-the-gospel/
http://www.gotquestions.org/gospel-message.html
Hillsong False Gospel – all about what John 3:16 means for *US*.
I think it would be wise for you to be able to explain the Gospel in your own words. I also would like to know which church is the correct church? Do you go to church? And I also wonder how God giving His Son for the world is not part of the Gospel? I don’t want to argue about tithing because it is not required. It is something we do out of our respect for God to show we aknowledge that He is our provider. And He blesses us for it. What is your view on grace and works, or the Godhead. And once again I ask in your words what is the Gospel? What is the correct church? I don’t want a link to a website. I want you to be able to tell me what you are for and not only what you’re against.
“I don’t want to argue about tithing because it is not required.”
No you don’t want to argue about tithing because you have lost that argument.
FOJ, all your evasion tactics are quite concerning.
Why don’t YOU want to make the effort to read links explaining the Gospel from theologians/ formally theologically trained Christians? What are you afraid of?